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Re: Top 100 Books to Read

Postby Napoleon Ier on Mon May 05, 2008 5:31 pm

suggs wrote:Nap, here are my thoughts on your courses for what its worth:

1)Economics
2)Eng. Lit
3) History or Philosophy.

In other words, what i did 8-) -apart from Lit. I would ditch the classics in favour of philosophy. They said that when i took philosophy, and its true, its not highly favoured by universities. But better to get an "A" in philosophy than a "B" in classics.
I say that cos you seem interested in philosophy , and slightly bored by Classics. The more interested you are, the better your grade will be.


History (good call) and Maths are my definites, with Further Maths as a minor course. I can't do economics, coz it's not offered.

Then...my classics teacher said he wanted me doing Greek in school and was good enough to do Latin off-syllabus, so that's why I'm doing those. English Literature, well, I guess it's really well taught, and I can see philosophy AS/A-2 being a travesty (in terms of the course).

I guess I have to be really careful to do only respected A-Levels if I also want to go to somewhere as decent as Cambridge, what with all the competition from the Chinkies etc...

suggs wrote:And, to toot my own horn, Cambridge uni didn't seem to mind too much ;)


What can I say? I'm impressed.
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Re: Top 100 Books to Read

Postby suggs on Mon May 05, 2008 5:31 pm

on a train of thought, "Pride and Prejudice" is fucking funny. (Austen, J.)
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Re: Top 100 Books to Read

Postby btownmeggy on Mon May 05, 2008 5:32 pm

InkL0sed wrote:EDIT: meggy fastposted me but I posted anyway -- I think she said what I was trying to say anyway.


Not really.

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Re: Top 100 Books to Read

Postby Napoleon Ier on Mon May 05, 2008 5:32 pm

suggs wrote:To be a chauvinist twat, altho i hope no more than usual, the old cliche about women being more emotional does have validity here.
Women are just better at exploring the emotional...er...stuff in books. You see, i cant even explain it. You know what i mean.
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Re: Top 100 Books to Read

Postby btownmeggy on Mon May 05, 2008 5:33 pm

suggs wrote:on a train of thought, "Pride and Prejudice" is fucking funny. (Austen, J.)


I just read it for the first time since Jr. High a couple of months ago.

I thought it was FANTASTIC, one of the best I've read in a long time. Definitely funny. I mean that in a very positive, loving sense, even if you didn't.
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Re: Top 100 Books to Read

Postby suggs on Mon May 05, 2008 5:35 pm

Christ, you're good at Maths too? You've out done me by some way, Nap ;)

Honesty forces me to admit that i dropped out of Camrtidge, due to being permanently drunk and stoned for 2 years. I wouldnt reccomend that. But I would HIGHLY reccommend Queens' College, its stunning, very friendly, and academically one of the best.
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Re: Top 100 Books to Read

Postby suggs on Mon May 05, 2008 5:38 pm

btownmeggy wrote:
suggs wrote:on a train of thought, "Pride and Prejudice" is fucking funny. (Austen, J.)


I just read it for the first time since Jr. High a couple of months ago.

I thought it was FANTASTIC, one of the best I've read in a long time. Definitely funny. I mean that in a very positive, loving sense, even if you didn't.

Ah, Megs, i'm not ALWAYS a cynical twat (just 90%)
That was precisely how i meant. A girl firend made me read it, i thought it would be a pile of arse, and was amazed to find it was genius, through and through, and much, much funnier than i thought it would be. Lizzie Bennett is a great character.
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Re: Top 100 Books to Read

Postby Napoleon Ier on Mon May 05, 2008 5:39 pm

btownmeggy wrote:
Napoleon Ier wrote:
btownmeggy wrote:
It's true for mes cousins anglais aussi. Et francais et espagnol et chinois and whoever the f*ck is a lit critic. It's a field COMPLETELY DOMINATED by women (literary criticism; not writing, obviously, not yet).


I suppose the female mind is better naturally equipped with many tools necessary for studying literature. What are your thought on the matter?


My feelings are on the fence regarding gender- or sex-specific mental talents.

But, here's an idea I just had:

Literary criticism has changed VASTLY since the 1970s, it's practically a whole new approach to knowledge. Perhaps, historically shuttered out of traditional fields (even, really, in the social sciences and humanities: think Economics, Philosophy), women have been able to find a place in this new realm, shaping it into a system (which all of academia is) that is favorable to our gender.


So it's a question of the way people expect criticism to work as opposed to an actual innate incompatibility of the male psyche to apply itself to studying literature?

I can see that. Suggs emotional point does cary a lotof validity, but at the same time, I don't really think that covers it all. Men must be emotional as well, in different ways. Whilst girls sitting a paper on (for example) LOTF would probably discuss the book in the context of emotions of the boys on the island, whilst I certainly (within our class) see a tendancy for the more masculine to offer up points regarding the nature of evil, the power struggle, the rediscovery of atavist and savage survival instincts etc...
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Re: Top 100 Books to Read

Postby suggs on Mon May 05, 2008 5:40 pm

The Murder of Roger Ackroyd,- A. Christie.
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Re: Top 100 Books to Read

Postby Napoleon Ier on Mon May 05, 2008 5:41 pm

suggs wrote:Christ, you're good at Maths too? You've out done me by some way, Nap ;)

Honesty forces me to admit that i dropped out of Camrtidge, due to being permanently drunk and stoned for 2 years. I wouldnt reccomend that. But I would HIGHLY reccommend Queens' College, its stunning, very friendly, and academically one of the best.


If I can get in to Oxbridge. Which given my predicted GCSEs have a few too many niggly A grades in them, isn't looking too hopeful.
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Re: Top 100 Books to Read

Postby suggs on Mon May 05, 2008 5:45 pm

Howards End, E. M. Forster.

One of the most beautifully written books of all time.
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Re: Top 100 Books to Read

Postby btownmeggy on Mon May 05, 2008 5:50 pm

Napoleon Ier wrote:I can see that. Suggs emotional point does cary a lotof validity, but at the same time, I don't really think that covers it all. Men must be emotional as well, in different ways. Whilst girls sitting a paper on (for example) LOTF would probably discuss the book in the context of emotions of the boys on the island, whilst I certainly (within our class) see a tendancy for the more masculine to offer up points regarding the nature of evil, the power struggle, the rediscovery of atavist and savage survival instincts etc...


I think a lady's critique might be more likely to look at, ohhhh, racialized notions of British imperialism as evidenced in the demonization of orcs, or.... the class-based idealization of English manhood vis-a-vis the Hobbits.

(If someone has already written papers on this, I do not intend to infringe on your intellectual property (though, a disputable claim with contemporary standards of property being a creation of the masculinist Enlightenment); if anyone takes my ideas and writes a paper, I expect a bibliography citation!)
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Re: Top 100 Books to Read

Postby suggs on Mon May 05, 2008 5:51 pm

I realise thingd have become even more competitive in the last 10 years.
But the key to Oxbridge is still A-Level results.And the interview. (or have they changed that? f*ck, i am out of touch)

My GCSEs were the poorest by some way out of anyone i knew at my college.
But (I feel a twat for saying this, whilst also experiencing an unfamiliar surge of pride) I apparently gave the best interview.
As long as you get all As in your A levels, you've got a decent chance of Oxbridge.

as an aside, its a lottery though - loads of quality students get turned away, and some muppets get let in. Some people at Queens were by no means exceptional.
And some dropped out... ;)
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Re: Top 100 Books to Read

Postby suggs on Mon May 05, 2008 5:52 pm

er...Megs...you were talking about LOTR, right? Nap was talking about Lord of The Flies.
Or were you joking, and am I a gullible nit wit? :)
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Re: Top 100 Books to Read

Postby btownmeggy on Mon May 05, 2008 5:54 pm

suggs wrote:er...Megs...you were talking about LOTR, right? Nap was talking about Lord of The Flies.
Or were you joking, and am I a gullible nit wit? :)


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Re: Top 100 Books to Read

Postby suggs on Mon May 05, 2008 5:57 pm

I'd like an extra portion of Nit de la Wit, please. :oops: :oops: :oops:
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Re: Top 100 Books to Read

Postby btownmeggy on Mon May 05, 2008 5:57 pm

suggs wrote:I realise thingd have become even more competitive in the last 10 years.
But the key to Oxbridge is still A-Level results.And the interview. (or have they changed that? f*ck, i am out of touch)

My GCSEs were the poorest by some way out of anyone i knew at my college.
But (I feel a twat for saying this, whilst also experiencing an unfamiliar surge of pride) I apparently gave the best interview.
As long as you get all As in your A levels, you've got a decent chance of Oxbridge.

as an aside, its a lottery though - loads of quality students get turned away, and some muppets get let in. Some people at Queens were by no means exceptional.
And some dropped out... ;)


I think, not so much at Cambridge anymore (maybe I'm wrong), but at Oxford the interview is still king.
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Re: Top 100 Books to Read

Postby Napoleon Ier on Mon May 05, 2008 5:58 pm

In terms of non-fiction, I heartily reccomend:

Government, Frédéric Bastiat
The Road to Serfdom, F. A Hayek
Capitalism and Freedom, Milton Friedman
The Wealth of Nations, Adam Smith (though I haven't read the whole of it, only selected passages).
On the Spirit of Laws, Montesquieu
Interventionism, an economic analysis, Ludwig von Mises
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Re: Top 100 Books to Read

Postby Neoteny on Mon May 05, 2008 5:59 pm

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Re: Top 100 Books to Read

Postby suggs on Mon May 05, 2008 6:01 pm

Nap, have you honestly read all of those.
I say that cos they're all (bar the last one) books i love to have pretend i have read, but in reality have just read essays on them/ heard some one else talk about them ;)

If you really have read them, then you will WALTZ INTO OXBRIDGE.
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Re: Top 100 Books to Read

Postby Napoleon Ier on Mon May 05, 2008 6:02 pm

btownmeggy wrote:
suggs wrote:I realise thingd have become even more competitive in the last 10 years.
But the key to Oxbridge is still A-Level results.And the interview. (or have they changed that? f*ck, i am out of touch)

My GCSEs were the poorest by some way out of anyone i knew at my college.
But (I feel a twat for saying this, whilst also experiencing an unfamiliar surge of pride) I apparently gave the best interview.
As long as you get all As in your A levels, you've got a decent chance of Oxbridge.

as an aside, its a lottery though - loads of quality students get turned away, and some muppets get let in. Some people at Queens were by no means exceptional.
And some dropped out... ;)


I think, not so much at Cambridge anymore (maybe I'm wrong), but at Oxford the interview is still king.


That's reassuring then, I guess...what I do know though, is that they didn't take anyone with under 9 A* into Cambridge last year. Which scares the shit out of me.
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Re: Top 100 Books to Read

Postby suggs on Mon May 05, 2008 6:03 pm

Sorry, that was bugging me. They still do the interviews at Cambridge, I googled cams website.
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Re: Top 100 Books to Read

Postby Napoleon Ier on Mon May 05, 2008 6:08 pm

suggs wrote:Nap, have you honestly read all of those.
I say that cos they're all (bar the last one) books i love to have pretend i have read, but in reality have just read essays on them/ heard some one else talk about them ;)

If you really have read them, then you will WALTZ INTO OXBRIDGE.


All except Wealth of Nations. De L'Esprit des Lois I can't really claim to have read properly, which I must say went waayyy above my head too often for me. That was a couple of years ago though.

The other three are all well-short and not very long and lyke not komplykated.
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Re: Top 100 Books to Read

Postby suggs on Mon May 05, 2008 6:08 pm

"Love On The Dole", Walter Greenwood.

A novel, but the most accurate historical novel I've ever read. Bleak as hell though.
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Re: Top 100 Books to Read

Postby Napoleon Ier on Mon May 05, 2008 6:09 pm

Neoteny wrote:One Fish, Two Fish, Red Fish, Blue Fish
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Funniest thing I read all day.
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