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Postby owenshooter on Sat May 24, 2008 8:36 pm

JOHNNYROCKET24 wrote:good point...but he said his friend or friends wife had to clean up their kids throw up. How in the world that took 24 hours that he needed to make the move for her is rediculous in my opinion. now you know why he is pro-players making moves for each other.

nope, she had begun her turn, and would have timed out when she had to deal with her son. she signed in about 12 hours later at 8am, so yeah, we are cheats. and look below, she's in my clan, which makes her my multi, because i control all the accounts in my clan... but, nice try. it isn't like you'd ever play me in the first place, i'm not a cook.-0

p.s.-doubt you have a kid, because you are clueless..
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Postby JOHNNYROCKET24 on Sat May 24, 2008 8:39 pm

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JOHNNYROCKET24 wrote:good point...but he said his friend or friends wife had to clean up their kids throw up. How in the world that took 24 hours that he needed to make the move for her is rediculous in my opinion. now you know why he is pro-players making moves for each other.

nope, she had begun her turn, and would have timed out when she had to deal with her son. she signed in about 12 hours later at 8am, so yeah, we are cheats. and look below, she's in my clan, which makes her my multi, because i control all the accounts in my clan... but, nice try. it isn't like you'd ever play me in the first place, i'm not a cook.-0

p.s.-doubt you have a kid, because you are clueless..
like i already stated, your on my ignore list for account babysitting abuse. thanks for proving my point.
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Re: TOP PLAYERS OVERRATED!!

Postby suggs on Sat May 24, 2008 8:48 pm

Don't worry, Johnny. I remember when you were good ;)
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Re: Vomit all over JR's Cook Fetish

Postby ParadiceCity9 on Sat May 24, 2008 8:50 pm

JOHNNYROCKET24 wrote:
owenshooter wrote:
JOHNNYROCKET24 wrote:good point...but he said his friend or friends wife had to clean up their kids throw up. How in the world that took 24 hours that he needed to make the move for her is rediculous in my opinion. now you know why he is pro-players making moves for each other.

nope, she had begun her turn, and would have timed out when she had to deal with her son. she signed in about 12 hours later at 8am, so yeah, we are cheats. and look below, she's in my clan, which makes her my multi, because i control all the accounts in my clan... but, nice try. it isn't like you'd ever play me in the first place, i'm not a cook.-0

p.s.-doubt you have a kid, because you are clueless..
like i already stated, your on my ignore list for account babysitting abuse. thanks for proving my point.


You know like everything he says is sarcasm.
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Re: TOP PLAYERS OVERRATED!!

Postby AAFitz on Sat May 24, 2008 8:52 pm

THE ARMY wrote:I just think we should give more respect to the field officers who play DIVERSE games, are BRAVE and take RISKS, and WIN!!!!!!!!!!


You're not trying to give respect, your bashing a group of players.. feel free to acknowledge some players that play well.
Anyone who's been here for long enough knows how to interpret the score and types of games played, players played, maps played etc. You're not giving respect here. Your grandstanding with a negative message while pretending to be fighting for a positive cause.. but since all you are doing is complaining and bashing a group of players and stereotyping, your message is transparent, and for the most part, will be seen as just another whiner.

I don't blame you for trying to hide behind the cause of respect and honor.. But you haven't fooled me. :D

Technically, Im doing the same thing to a degree, but I'm using a specific example, and calling you out specifically for your actions. While my post is completely negative in tone and content, I am at least not hiding behind the tactic of complaining about a nameless group. To each his own though.
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Re: TOP PLAYERS OVERRATED!!

Postby suggs on Sat May 24, 2008 8:57 pm

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Re: TOP PLAYERS OVERRATED!!

Postby FabledIntegral on Sun May 25, 2008 5:16 am

1. No card games are more dependent on dice + drop than escalating game, which is significantly more dependent on strategy. Sure you can get screwed by having two countries in Oceania, and 3 in Africa, but you can still reposition yourself (will go over it in the next point).

2. If you think that the first 5 turns involve no strategy, that's probably why you're low ranked. It involves moving your armies around, and positioning yourself for prime position. Find out who's weak, who's wasting their armies, and how you can get near them. At the same time, you need to ensure you get a card, and don't attack too many people en route to your destination, lest you lose too many armies yourself and become a target. Also if you see a low rank who IS weak but is apt to attack randomly on whoever is next to them, figure out if it is beneficial enough to stay next to them. Debate on what is more important, moving to a location to get a +2 bonus because you have a card for the territory, or moving into a position that is more advantageous.

3. You need to know when to cash or when not to cash in a casual game. If you have 4 cards, should you cash, or wait for 5? If you wait for five, you can potentially do a midcash the next turn by killing any 3's on the board. However, by not cashing you make yourself a prime target to others who want to kill you and take your cards.

4. Flat Rate is the least strategy type in the entire game. In a 1v1 (on smaller maps), whoever gets the first mixed set will almost always win, assuming the other person does not also get one. It makes it *so* dependent on luck and so devoid of strategy I have stopped playing flat rate games in one player.

5. Unlimited is a preference over anything else. Having chained would hardly alter gameplay, and if you think that high ranked players are "dependent" on that, you are highly mistaken.

6. Going on after point #1, no card games, if played by higher ranks, will generally end in stalemates, because they are smart and don't make retarded moves. However at low ranks, players are so stupid and don't see the bigger picture they just attack who's next to them. I typically get caught in this crossfire. And considering if I play 8 player games with low ranks (who often suicide higher ranks because they fear strategy, not kidding, I've had it happen, people in chat say "sorry I just get nervous around high ranks so I try to target them first"), if I win 3/8 of my 8 player freestyle games I'll probably just break even points wise (I lose about 60 points vs a cook, gain 5), and that's still beating the odds (as you should obviously win 1/8 of your freestyle games statistically).

7. Terminator games are out of the question as then players have a legitimate reason to suicide me as they get more points sacrificing themselves to take me down in the process.

8. Fog of War games is simply a mode that adds luck to the game, and log analyzing, not something I'm fond of. You have to continually look at the log and compare it to the map to be able to predict where they will be, about how many armies they will have had to kill to get to that location, and their strength. Not worth my time.


Any more complaints/bashing? Just another noob that plays 8-player classic speed freestyle unlimited with clickable maps :)
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Re: Vomit all over JR's Cook Fetish

Postby owenshooter on Sun May 25, 2008 5:35 am

ParadiceCity9 wrote:You know like everything he says is sarcasm.

you just really can't explain something that so obviously went over his head. you just
have to sit back and laugh at the bundle of cliches we all call, "JR the cook killer"...-0

p.s.-JR, it isn't baby sitting abuse if everyone in my clan is my multi. stick around, learn
something besides how to think the world is out to get you... p-a-r-a-n-o-i-d... that about
sums it up.
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Re: Vomit all over JR's Cook Fetish

Postby owenshooter on Sun May 25, 2008 5:37 am

ParadiceCity9 wrote:You know like everything he says is sarcasm.

oh my goodness... i always blink repeatedly with my jaw wide open, when i read
JR's accusations and paranoid ramblings... just bewilders me! and it even went
WAAAAAY over his head!-0
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Re: TOP PLAYERS OVERRATED!!

Postby MOBAJOBG on Sun May 25, 2008 5:43 am

@owen; it seems to me that you're spamming.

Am I high-rank enough of a player and is being singled out, too?! If "Yes, you are.", then it's just too bad. Anyway, I would still continue to play as I've always been doing since it's fun and to my satisfaction. :)

If "No, you're not.", then I better go back to the battlefield to fish for games on 3 of the 8 newly released maps so that my personal objective to win in at least a game on all maps is realised.

Let me know by pm if you want to challenge me to a 1vs1 sequential game on WWII Ardennes map which I've not played before.
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Re: TOP PLAYERS OVERRATED!!

Postby Fruitcake on Sun May 25, 2008 12:03 pm

MOBAJOBG wrote:@owen; it seems to me that you're spamming.

Am I high-rank enough of a player and is being singled out, too?! If "Yes, you are.", then it's just too bad. Anyway, I would still continue to play as I've always been doing since it's fun and to my satisfaction. :)

If "No, you're not.", then I better go back to the battlefield to fish for games on 3 of the 8 newly released maps so that my personal objective to win in at least a game on all maps is realised.

Let me know by pm if you want to challenge me to a 1vs1 sequential game on WWII Ardennes map which I've not played before.


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by MOBAJOBG on Sat May 17, 2008 11:32 am

Why are you now playing a cook? Are you leaving? Are you staying? Why say you are going to be away then not do so?
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Re: TOP PLAYERS OVERRATED!!

Postby kerntheconkerer on Sun May 25, 2008 12:21 pm

ParadiceCity9 wrote:Hey at least my 1 on 1 freestyle games are no cards...

I am a witness! Played against him so that's his proof
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Re: TOP PLAYERS OVERRATED!!

Postby MajorRT on Sun May 25, 2008 12:38 pm

THE ARMY wrote:MOST OF THE TOP RANKED PLAYERS ARE OVERRATED AND GLORIFIED. Come on have you seen the games these guys play. Most of them play the same thing, either large games, freestyle, unlimited fortifications, escalating cards or 2 player games with escalating, freestyle, and unlimited fortifications. The reason they look so good is because those are the only games they play. For the first 5 rounds of a large escalating game there is relatively no strategy. The only strategy comes in the 6th and 7th rounds. But even then does starting position and other players moves help with a victory. I play a lot of very tough conquerclubbers who are ranked majors or colonels and these guys are TOUGH they play with great strategy. If these guys at the top of the leaderboard are really good why don't they play more hardcore and diverse strategy games with no cards and limited fortifications. They have strategy and i bet are pretty good don't get me wrong, but I just want them to prove it by playing more of the tougher games to win. NOW WHO'S WITH ME!!!?!!?!!?!


I agree, and as I mentioned in a prior thread , the top "rated " players, play team games to protect and private games to horde their points. There are some on the ist page that do play public, allcomers , etc. THEY should be ranked first. THE CURRENT RATING SYSTEM IS SERIOUSLY FLAWED!
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Re: TOP PLAYERS OVERRATED!!

Postby RashidJelzin on Sun May 25, 2008 4:12 pm

MajorRT wrote:
THE ARMY wrote:MOST OF THE TOP RANKED PLAYERS ARE OVERRATED AND GLORIFIED. Come on have you seen the games these guys play. Most of them play the same thing, either large games, freestyle, unlimited fortifications, escalating cards or 2 player games with escalating, freestyle, and unlimited fortifications. The reason they look so good is because those are the only games they play. For the first 5 rounds of a large escalating game there is relatively no strategy. The only strategy comes in the 6th and 7th rounds. But even then does starting position and other players moves help with a victory. I play a lot of very tough conquerclubbers who are ranked majors or colonels and these guys are TOUGH they play with great strategy. If these guys at the top of the leaderboard are really good why don't they play more hardcore and diverse strategy games with no cards and limited fortifications. They have strategy and i bet are pretty good don't get me wrong, but I just want them to prove it by playing more of the tougher games to win. NOW WHO'S WITH ME!!!?!!?!!?!


I agree, and as I mentioned in a prior thread , the top "rated " players, play team games to protect and private games to horde their points. There are some on the ist page that do play public, allcomers , etc. THEY should be ranked first. THE CURRENT RATING SYSTEM IS SERIOUSLY FLAWED!


Who are you to judge who or what kind of player should be ranked first? Do you even know what you're saying? What makes a player deserving of a top position on the scoreboard? Personally, I can't be arsed to read anymore of the "high ranks only play each other or the same settings blablabla" shit.
You know-- some people just play what they enjoy most... and if they're good at that-- why make thread after thread about it?
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Re: TOP PLAYERS OVERRATED!!

Postby ParadiceCity9 on Sun May 25, 2008 7:29 pm

If higher ranked players, as people say, only play in private games with other high rankers, then doesn't that make them more deserving of their points since they're beating tougher opponents?
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Re: TOP PLAYERS OVERRATED!!

Postby Timminz on Sun May 25, 2008 8:11 pm

ParadiceCity9 wrote:If higher ranked players, as people say, only play in private games with other high rankers, then doesn't that make them more deserving of their points since they're beating tougher opponents?


No. Because everyone has an equal chance of winning every game. The people who got lucky for a while managed to get high scores, and now they "horde" all the points by playing only other previously-lucky players. One day, THE ARMY, will get a lucky streak, and be invited into the "We've Got All The Points, And We're Not Gonna Share!" club. Of course, when this lucky streak happens, he will turn down any invitations to the club, on principle.

ps- ARMY, if you have issues with specific players, please take it where it should be (FW). Otherwise, you can take your broad brush, and....something, something, something.....
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Re: TOP PLAYERS OVERRATED!!

Postby MajorRT on Sun May 25, 2008 8:12 pm

ParadiceCity9 wrote:If higher ranked players, as people say, only play in private games with other high rankers, then doesn't that make them more deserving of their points since they're beating tougher opponents?

No, because it means if they lose, they lose much less. Look for yourself, check out all of the games of the top players. Teams only , specialzed boards or private games, EXCEPT for the true top players. See my prior thread below, re. who IS the best. Are many of the top players afraid to play by themselves. YES. Are they afraid to play public? YES. Can they play outside their specialties (ie, freestyle or speed or one of the strange maps that takes weeks to learn the idiosyncracies of)? Occasionaly. What I'm saying is the current point system IS FLAWED. Lack realizes this, and that's why a different scoreboard with perhaps different catagories would be the best.
Is a player on the best MLB or NFL team the league's MVP? Not always...there are different top players for HR,RBI's and steals for that matter. Are good team tennis players the best individually-rarely. We need a new rating system...to see who are really the best players, not the "top scorers"....
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Re: TOP PLAYERS OVERRATED!!

Postby BeakerWMA on Sun May 25, 2008 8:14 pm

FabledIntegral wrote:1. No card games are more dependent on dice + drop than escalating game, which is significantly more dependent on strategy. Sure you can get screwed by having two countries in Oceania, and 3 in Africa, but you can still reposition yourself (will go over it in the next point).

2. If you think that the first 5 turns involve no strategy, that's probably why you're low ranked. It involves moving your armies around, and positioning yourself for prime position. Find out who's weak, who's wasting their armies, and how you can get near them. At the same time, you need to ensure you get a card, and don't attack too many people en route to your destination, lest you lose too many armies yourself and become a target. Also if you see a low rank who IS weak but is apt to attack randomly on whoever is next to them, figure out if it is beneficial enough to stay next to them. Debate on what is more important, moving to a location to get a +2 bonus because you have a card for the territory, or moving into a position that is more advantageous.

3. You need to know when to cash or when not to cash in a casual game. If you have 4 cards, should you cash, or wait for 5? If you wait for five, you can potentially do a midcash the next turn by killing any 3's on the board. However, by not cashing you make yourself a prime target to others who want to kill you and take your cards.

4. Flat Rate is the least strategy type in the entire game. In a 1v1 (on smaller maps), whoever gets the first mixed set will almost always win, assuming the other person does not also get one. It makes it *so* dependent on luck and so devoid of strategy I have stopped playing flat rate games in one player.

5. Unlimited is a preference over anything else. Having chained would hardly alter gameplay, and if you think that high ranked players are "dependent" on that, you are highly mistaken.

6. Going on after point #1, no card games, if played by higher ranks, will generally end in stalemates, because they are smart and don't make retarded moves. However at low ranks, players are so stupid and don't see the bigger picture they just attack who's next to them. I typically get caught in this crossfire. And considering if I play 8 player games with low ranks (who often suicide higher ranks because they fear strategy, not kidding, I've had it happen, people in chat say "sorry I just get nervous around high ranks so I try to target them first"), if I win 3/8 of my 8 player freestyle games I'll probably just break even points wise (I lose about 60 points vs a cook, gain 5), and that's still beating the odds (as you should obviously win 1/8 of your freestyle games statistically).

7. Terminator games are out of the question as then players have a legitimate reason to suicide me as they get more points sacrificing themselves to take me down in the process.

8. Fog of War games is simply a mode that adds luck to the game, and log analyzing, not something I'm fond of. You have to continually look at the log and compare it to the map to be able to predict where they will be, about how many armies they will have had to kill to get to that location, and their strength. Not worth my time.


Any more complaints/bashing? Just another noob that plays 8-player classic speed freestyle unlimited with clickable maps :)



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Re: TOP PLAYERS OVERRATED!!

Postby ParadiceCity9 on Sun May 25, 2008 8:23 pm

MajorRT wrote:
ParadiceCity9 wrote:If higher ranked players, as people say, only play in private games with other high rankers, then doesn't that make them more deserving of their points since they're beating tougher opponents?

No, because it means if they lose, they lose much less. Look for yourself, check out all of the games of the top players. Teams only , specialzed boards or private games, EXCEPT for the true top players. See my prior thread beloe, re. who IS the best. Are many of the top players afraid to play by themselves. YES. Are they afraid to play public? YES. Can they play outside their specialties (ie, freestyle or one of the strange maps that takes weeks to learn the idiosyncracies of)? Occasionaly. What I'm saying is the current point system IS FLAWED. Lack realizes this, and that's why a different scoreboard with perhaps different catagories would be the best.
Is a player on the best MLB or NFL team the league's MVP? Not always...there are different top players for HR,RBI's and steals for that matter. Are good team tennis players the best individually-rarely. We need a new rating system...to see who are really the best players, not the "top scorers"....


Dude, you're absolutely retarded. That sports analogy made no sense whatsoever. I play public and independent and I have a relatively high rank. Only times I lose at my specialty is when I get dicked huge time, because I know how to play that game well and effectively. I don't see what's wrong with that.
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Re: TOP PLAYERS OVERRATED!!

Postby BaldAdonis on Sun May 25, 2008 8:31 pm

I think OP's right, but not for the reasons he says. I mean, his title is right: top players are overrated. Someone with 5000 points is meant to be able to beat an average player (with 1000 points) 25 out of 26 times. I've heard that on Waterloo with no cards and fog this might happen (once in a blue moon), but that's usually because the new player doesn't understand the little pictures and bombardment rules. The numbers are just too high, as though there were some sort of "inflating" factor which artificially "overrated" most players. By most I mean pretty much everyone.
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Re: TOP PLAYERS OVERRATED!!

Postby ParadiceCity9 on Sun May 25, 2008 8:40 pm

One day on doodle freestyle 1 on 1 no cards unlim I won I think 34/36.
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Re: TOP PLAYERS OVERRATED!!

Postby MajorRT on Sun May 25, 2008 8:44 pm

ParadiceCity9 wrote:
MajorRT wrote:
ParadiceCity9 wrote:If higher ranked players, as people say, only play in private games with other high rankers, then doesn't that make them more deserving of their points since they're beating tougher opponents?

No, because it means if they lose, they lose much less. Look for yourself, check out all of the games of the top players. Teams only , specialzed boards or private games, EXCEPT for the true top players. See my prior thread beloe, re. who IS the best. Are many of the top players afraid to play by themselves. YES. Are they afraid to play public? YES. Can they play outside their specialties (ie, freestyle or one of the strange maps that takes weeks to learn the idiosyncracies of)? Occasionaly. What I'm saying is the current point system IS FLAWED. Lack realizes this, and that's why a different scoreboard with perhaps different catagories would be the best.
Is a player on the best MLB or NFL team the league's MVP? Not always...there are different top players for HR,RBI's and steals for that matter. Are good team tennis players the best individually-rarely. We need a new rating system...to see who are really the best players, not the "top scorers"....


Dude, you're absolutely retarded. That sports analogy made no sense whatsoever. I play public and independent and I have a relatively high rank. Only times I lose at my specialty is when I get dicked huge time, because I know how to play that game well and effectively. I don't see what's wrong with that.[/quote

Many good team players are not the best individually. Regarding specialty players: a great free throw shooter or field-goal kicker , let's say the best in the league , doesn't make them the league MVP.
#1 CC Rank should go to best all around player, in my opinion. Btw, leave flaming in FW...
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Re: TOP PLAYERS OVERRATED!!

Postby Timminz on Sun May 25, 2008 8:46 pm

MajorRT wrote:Many good team players are not the best individually. Regarding specialty players: a great free throw shooter or field-goal kicker , let's say the best in the league , doesn't make them the league MVP.
#1 CC Rank should go to best all around player, in my opinion. Btw, leave flaming in FW...


Can you recommend a scoring system that would work better. Let us know.
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Re: TOP PLAYERS OVERRATED!!

Postby MajorRT on Sun May 25, 2008 8:52 pm

Timminz wrote:
MajorRT wrote:Many good team players are not the best individually. Regarding specialty players: a great free throw shooter or field-goal kicker , let's say the best in the league , doesn't make them the league MVP.
#1 CC Rank should go to best all around player, in my opinion. Btw, leave flaming in FW...


Can you recommend a scoring system that would work better. Let us know.



At present keep the current point system but form (at least) 4 scoreboard catagories:
Individual players, classic
team players, classic
individual players, non-classic
team players, non-classic

You can break it down further into speed games, 1on 1 vs. multiplayer , etc. I think the main points of contention(where certain players protect or horde or take great advantage) are team play only and freestyle, and to some extent speed games only.
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Re: TOP PLAYERS OVERRATED!!

Postby Timminz on Sun May 25, 2008 9:03 pm

MajorRT wrote:At present keep the current point system but form (at least) 4 scoreboard catagories:
Individual players, classic
team players, classic
individual players, non-classic
team players, non-classic

You can break it down further into speed games, 1on 1 vs. multiplayer , etc. I think the main points of contention(where certain players protect or horde or take great advantage) are team play only and freestyle, and to some extent speed games only.


How do speed games work for point hording? The only difference between speed and casual is the amount of time you get to take your turn.
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