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Re: Logic dictates that there is a God!

Postby Snorri1234 on Wed May 28, 2008 4:49 pm

TaylorSandbek wrote:Evolution is false. Scientific reasons for this being true..


OOOOOH fresh meat!

1. Order cannot come from disorder. This is a scientific rule. Things colliding and blowing up will never create anything orderly. Thus, the big bang theory is out.

I am assuming you are using the second law of thermodynamics here?
Anyway, it's bullshit. For one big bang theory doesn't have anything to do with evolution, and secondly the big bang was not disorder, it was nothingness. It's an anomalie and it created that fucking 2nd law of thermodynamics, since it was the universe.

2. If we have evolved all the way from one species up, why then do we still have such a wide array of species? Would they have not all evolved with us?

That is the most retarded thing I've heard anyone say in a while. It proves you know nothing about evolution and just blindly repeat what people tell you.
Species branch out. You need multiple species, and a lot of them evolve very slowly because they don't need to evolve to survive. Sharks are a perfect example of that, as they're perfect killing-machines already. They don't need to develop limbs or bigger brains because they're already good at what they do.
Other examples are bacteria, which are also good at what they do. They fill a niche, and they have remained in that niche.

3. The earth is in constant decay. Every bit of matter everywhere around us is constantly decaying, this is a fact. If this is true, how then can we evolve and become better and more intelligent etc.? How did we go from ooze to this complex beings we are now? That would contradict the fact that everything is in decay.

Holy amazing shit? Constant decay? Are you smoking crack or something?
In a sense, this is a rewording of your first argument but directed specifically at the earth.
There is this amazing outside energy source which actually means we're not decaying as it gives us energy. You probably see it everyday (unless you're a vampire).

What I have said here is simply scientific facts, do whatever you wish, google them, look them up.. These points are, I feel, irrefutable evidence against evolution (unless the laws of science change)


Keywords, i feel.
They're not scientific facts, they're neither irrefutable (they would if they were facts) and they show how much of an idiot you are.
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Re: Logic dictates that there is a God!

Postby TaylorSandbek on Wed May 28, 2008 4:49 pm

How may you dissprove what are scientific facts?

And this is not about creation against evolution, it is about science against evolution.
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Re: Logic dictates that there is a God!

Postby Neoteny on Wed May 28, 2008 4:50 pm

Snorri1234 wrote:
TaylorSandbek wrote:Evolution is false. Scientific reasons for this being true..


OOOOOH fresh meat!

1. Order cannot come from disorder. This is a scientific rule. Things colliding and blowing up will never create anything orderly. Thus, the big bang theory is out.

I am assuming you are using the second law of thermodynamics here?
Anyway, it's bullshit. For one big bang theory doesn't have anything to do with evolution, and secondly the big bang was not disorder, it was nothingness. It's an anomalie and it created that fucking 2nd law of thermodynamics, since it was the universe.

2. If we have evolved all the way from one species up, why then do we still have such a wide array of species? Would they have not all evolved with us?

That is the most retarded thing I've heard anyone say in a while. It proves you know nothing about evolution and just blindly repeat what people tell you.
Species branch out. You need multiple species, and a lot of them evolve very slowly because they don't need to evolve to survive. Sharks are a perfect example of that, as they're perfect killing-machines already. They don't need to develop limbs or bigger brains because they're already good at what they do.
Other examples are bacteria, which are also good at what they do. They fill a niche, and they have remained in that niche.

3. The earth is in constant decay. Every bit of matter everywhere around us is constantly decaying, this is a fact. If this is true, how then can we evolve and become better and more intelligent etc.? How did we go from ooze to this complex beings we are now? That would contradict the fact that everything is in decay.

Holy amazing shit? Constant decay? Are you smoking crack or something?
In a sense, this is a rewording of your first argument but directed specifically at the earth.
There is this amazing outside energy source which actually means we're not decaying as it gives us energy. You probably see it everyday (unless you're a vampire).

What I have said here is simply scientific facts, do whatever you wish, google them, look them up.. These points are, I feel, irrefutable evidence against evolution (unless the laws of science change)


Keywords, i feel.
They're not scientific facts, they're neither irrefutable (they would if they were facts) and they show how much of an idiot you are.


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Re: Logic dictates that there is a God!

Postby Snorri1234 on Wed May 28, 2008 4:51 pm

I'm sorry Neo, I tried to restrain myself.
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Re: Logic dictates that there is a God!

Postby TaylorSandbek on Wed May 28, 2008 4:52 pm

Why do you die then? If the earth isnt in decay?

The earth being in a state of decay is something that is blatantly there, for you to deny it is like denial of the sun's existence
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Re: Logic dictates that there is a God!

Postby Neoteny on Wed May 28, 2008 4:53 pm

TaylorSandbek wrote:Why do you die then? If the earth isnt in decay?

The earth being in a state of decay is something that is blatantly there, for you to deny it is like denial of the sun's existence


You clearly need to define decay. Let me bump the evolution thread. We'll just ignore the creation part if you don't want to talk about it.
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Re: Logic dictates that there is a God!

Postby Snorri1234 on Wed May 28, 2008 4:56 pm

TaylorSandbek wrote:Why do you die then? If the earth isnt in decay?


Why do kids get born then, if the earth isn't in decay? As a matter of fact, how come the number of people rises each year if the earth is in decay?
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Re: Logic dictates that there is a God!

Postby TaylorSandbek on Wed May 28, 2008 4:59 pm

Well the Creation part is something Id love to talk about.. But at this moment the argument at hand doesnt involve it, so why talk about something irrelevant?

Decay, defined as the inevitable death of everything, brought about by a decay from birth.

If decay is not here, we would not die. Would not our bones be as strong as always, would not our hearts beat as they always do?
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Re: Logic dictates that there is a God!

Postby TaylorSandbek on Wed May 28, 2008 5:01 pm

Decay does not mean that new life cannot be created. Don't be retarded. It simply means that at the moment of that new life's creation, it too will be a subject of decay. It will become less and less healthy until it dies. Is this random? Do people die in the same state they were born? No, they die in a decayed state, because matter decays
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Re: Logic dictates that there is a God!

Postby Juan_Bottom on Wed May 28, 2008 5:04 pm

Decay does not mean that new life cannot be created. -TaylorSandbek

So you agree with us then?
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Re: Logic dictates that there is a God!

Postby TaylorSandbek on Wed May 28, 2008 5:06 pm

Of course not. New life is obviously able to be created. But nothing living will come from anything non living. And everything that is living will decay
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Re: Logic dictates that there is a God!

Postby Snorri1234 on Wed May 28, 2008 5:08 pm

TaylorSandbek wrote:Decay does not mean that new life cannot be created. Don't be retarded. It simply means that at the moment of that new life's creation, it too will be a subject of decay.

Soo what you're saying is that people dying means evolution is false or something? Honestly, if new life can be created then surely we can become more intelligent. Average height of humans has been rising since the middle ages, so why not?
It will become less and less healthy until it dies.

Wow. That's just not true.
Is this random? Do people die in the same state they were born? No, they die in a decayed state, because matter decays

Matter doesn't decay actually. Atoms and molecules don't give the slightest f*ck about aging.

The only thing that does happen is that life decays after time. But decay of single life does not mean decay of life in general. The very fact that life reproduces automatically makes the point void.
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Re: Logic dictates that there is a God!

Postby TaylorSandbek on Wed May 28, 2008 5:10 pm

Why does that make it void? Could a decaying thing not reproduce?
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Re: Logic dictates that there is a God!

Postby Snorri1234 on Wed May 28, 2008 5:18 pm

TaylorSandbek wrote:Why does that make it void? Could a decaying thing not reproduce?


No, you are missing the point. The fact that living things decay does not mean that life in general cannot grow.

Also, your idea about decay is flawed anyway. Trees grow all the time, they only decay at the end.

How, for heavens sake, could you explain the fact that there is now more life than there was previously if everything decays or whatever you're talking about? What, in fact, are you talking about? If you admit that reproduction can and does happen while all life is decaying, you're basically attacking your own argument.
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Re: Logic dictates that there is a God!

Postby Zaqq on Wed May 28, 2008 5:20 pm

"Decay does not mean that new life cannot be created. -TaylorSandbek
So you agree with us then?"

GUYS!!! Seriously THINK about things before you post them. I called my 6th-grade sister into the room and even SHE called you stupid. Either this is a very well-done joke and I have missed something, or someone needs a good cup of coffee to wake up (or stop staying up so late nerding it out on in CC :P )

Now, logic also dictates that there is NO God. And it also dictates that if there IS a God, he is clearly uninterested in helping you out of your little corner, or he would've posted something by now. Yeah, Jesus and Mohommed were good, but I want a music-video or something. At least a new prophet, and Brigam Young just don't count, sorry.

Logic also dictates that this thread is as moot as any other dealing with the complexities of the supernatural, so we are all idiots for even wasting our time here. Let's not all get our panties in a bunch (not that it seems you last few were raving mad or anything, but the first few posts got a touch messy, so I thought I'd throw this in here) because we can reason things out without pissing each other off, no?

Just some thoughts.

P.S., btw I'm with Snorri on this one, your knowledge of science seems a tad confused.
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Re: Logic dictates that there is a God!

Postby Juan_Bottom on Wed May 28, 2008 5:24 pm

Zaqq wrote:"Decay does not mean that new life cannot be created. -TaylorSandbek
So you agree with us then?"

GUYS!!! Seriously THINK about things before you post them. I called my 6th-grade sister into the room and even SHE called you stupid. Either this is a very well-done joke and I have missed something, or someone needs a good cup of coffee to wake up (or stop staying up so late nerding it out on in CC :P )

Now, logic also dictates that there is NO God. And it also dictates that if there IS a God, he is clearly uninterested in helping you out of your little corner, or he would've posted something by now. Yeah, Jesus and Mohommed were good, but I want a music-video or something. At least a new prophet, and Brigam Young just don't count, sorry.

Logic also dictates that this thread is as moot as any other dealing with the complexities of the supernatural, so we are all idiots for even wasting our time here. Let's not all get our panties in a bunch (not that it seems you last few were raving mad or anything, but the first few posts got a touch messy, so I thought I'd throw this in here) because we can reason things out without pissing each other off, no?

Just some thoughts.

P.S., btw I'm with Snorri on this one, your knowledge of science seems a tad confused.


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Re: Logic dictates that there is a God!

Postby TaylorSandbek on Wed May 28, 2008 5:28 pm

Here are some more evidences of evolution being untrue.

testing of the brain has proven that if we learned something new every second, it would take more then three million years to exhaust our brain's capacity. How, if evolution only evolves to what we need, did it make our brains capable of this?

World population growth rate in recent times is about 2% per year. Practicable application of growth rate throughout human history would be about half that number. Wars, disease, famine, etc. have wiped out approximately one third of the population on average every 82 years. Starting with eight people, and applying these growth rates since the Flood of Noah's day (about 4500 years ago) would give a total human population at just under six billion people. However, application on an evolutionary time scale runs into major difficulties. Starting with one "couple" just 41,000 years ago would give us a total population of 2 x 1089. 9The universe does not have space to hold so many bodies

Have you ever heard of the Miller experiment? It was at the University of Chicago where they attempted to create life in the laboratory, thus proving evolution. However, they cheated by excluding oxygen (By the law of diffusion, oxygen HAS ALWAYS been in the atmosphere, or it would not be today). They excluded oxygen because they knew that oxygen would oxidize (which creates rust and decay) the material and they would not form life successfully. So, after cheating to overcome the oxygen hurtle, they STILL failed, by creating only a maximum of 8 amino acids (not even half of what is required to make a single simple life form).
Also, have you ever studied the structure of a DNA molecule? Adenine, Thymine, Guanine, and Cytosine are the four base molecules needed to create a DNA strand, along with the end-molecules of deoxyribose. Each molecule boasts a number of atoms of carbon, oxygen, nitrogen, and hydrogen. Yes OXYGEN. so, the Miller experiment failed to create life because oxygen was not administered, and it would have failed because oxygen cannot simple be "added" to a chemicle and expected to create life. Also, there are 20 amino acids on a strand, and since 200 are needed for life, the chance of random mutation occuring in the precise order for evolution to occure would be, in the simplest aspect, 20 to the 200th power!!! So, those chances are roughly .00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
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000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 !!!

Evolution is statistically impossible. Also, variations within a single kind of animal (kind means they can produce offspring together--cat and dog are not the same kind, but coyote and dog ARE because they are able to produce offspring) anyway, those variations within a single animal kind are not evolution. (If changing around the letters in the word "CHRISTMAS" cannot create "ZEBRA" then why can't the evolutionists figure out that random mutations are LIMITED to within a single animal kind). Nobody has ever seen a dog produce a non-dog. Also, finding a skull that is half-human and half-ape DOES NOT prove evolution (it just proves that there was an animal that had both ape and human characteristics).

Besides, if evolution is true, then what did the first cell capable of sexual reproduction reproduce with? Also, if evolution is true, the did the first fish that evolved onto dry land have lungs or did it have gills?

Evolution Is Impossible

The main scientific reason why there is no evidence for evolution in either the present or the past (except in the creative imagination of evolutionary scientists) is because one of the most fundamental laws of nature precludes it. The law of increasing entropy—also known as the second law of thermodynamics—stipulates that all systems in the real world tend to go "downhill," as it were, toward disorganization and decreased complexity.

This law of entropy is, by any measure, one of the most universal, best-proved laws of nature. It applies not only in physical and chemical systems, but also in biological and geological systems—in fact all systems, without exception.

No exception to the second law of thermodynamics has ever been found—not even a tiny one. Like conservation of energy (the `first law'), the existence of a law so precise and so independent of details of models must have a logical foundation that is independent of the fact that matter is composed of interacting particles.5
The author of this quote is referring primarily to physics, but he does point out that the second law is "independent of details of models." Besides, practically all evolutionary biologists are reductionists—that is, they insist that there are no "vitalist" forces in living systems, and that all biological processes are explicable in terms of physics and chemistry. That being the case, biological processes also must operate in accordance with the laws of thermodynamics, and practically all biologists acknowledge this.

Evolutionists commonly insist, however, that evolution is a fact anyhow, and that the conflict is resolved by noting that the earth is an "open system," with the incoming energy from the sun able to sustain evolution throughout the geological ages in spite of the natural tendency of all systems to deteriorate toward disorganization. That is how an evolutionary entomologist has dismissed W. A. Dembski's impressive recent book, Intelligent Design. This scientist defends what he thinks is "natural processes' ability to increase complexity" by noting what he calls a "flaw" in "the arguments against evolution based on the second law of thermodynamics." And what is this flaw?

Although the overall amount of disorder in a closed system cannot decrease, local order within a larger system can increase even without the actions of an intelligent agent.6
This naive response to the entropy law is typical of evolutionary dissimulation. While it is true that local order can increase in an open system if certain conditions are met, the fact is that evolution does not meet those conditions. Simply saying that the earth is open to the energy from the sun says nothing about how that raw solar heat is converted into increased complexity in any system, open or closed.

The fact is that the best known and most fundamental equation of thermo-dynamics says that the influx of heat into an open system will increase the entropy of that system, not decrease it. All known cases of decreased entropy (or increased organization) in open systems involve a guiding program of some sort and one or more energy conversion mechanisms.

Evolution has neither of these. Mutations are not "organizing" mechanisms, but disorganizing (in accord with the second law). They are commonly harmful, sometimes neutral, never beneficial (at least as far as observed mutations are concerned). Natural selection cannot generate order, but can only "sieve out" the disorganizing mutations presented to it, thereby conserving the existing order, but never generating new order. In principle, it may be barely conceivable that evolution could occur in open systems, in spite of the tendency of all systems to disintegrate sooner or later. But no one yet has been able to show that it actually has the ability to overcome this universal tendency, and that is the basic reason why there is still no bona fide proof of evolution, past or present.

From the statements of evolutionists themselves, therefore, we have learned that there is no real scientific evidence for real evolution. The only observable evidence is that of very limited horizontal (or downward) changes within strict limits. Evolution never occurred in the past, is not occurring at present, and could never happen at all.
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Re: Logic dictates that there is a God!

Postby Snorri1234 on Wed May 28, 2008 5:34 pm

I think my stupid-sensors just overloaded.
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Re: Logic dictates that there is a God!

Postby TaylorSandbek on Wed May 28, 2008 5:36 pm

Snorri1234 wrote:I think my stupid-sensors just overloaded.


Thanks for the logical rebuttle
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Re: Logic dictates that there is a God!

Postby Dancing Mustard on Wed May 28, 2008 5:50 pm

Snorri1234 wrote:I think my stupid-sensors just overloaded.

Instruments here at Mustard Laboratories recorded a record-breaking emission of stupidonium at some time around 10:28 pm, senior researchers described the phenomena as "Quite frankly the stupidest thing I've ever seen", and as "implausibly stupid". The event is almost certainly likely to have major implications for the field of modern stupidity research, proving as it does that there are potentialy depths of stupid too great for even the most advanced devices to measure.
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Re: Logic dictates that there is a God!

Postby suggs on Wed May 28, 2008 5:51 pm

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Re: Logic dictates that there is a God!

Postby Snorri1234 on Wed May 28, 2008 5:54 pm

Dancing Mustard wrote:
Snorri1234 wrote:I think my stupid-sensors just overloaded.

Instruments here at Mustard Laboratories recorded a record-breaking emission of stupidonium at some time around 10:28 pm, senior researchers described the phenomena as "Quite frankly the stupidest thing I've ever seen", and as "implausibly stupid". The event is almost certainly likely to have major implications for the field of modern stupidity research, proving as it does that there are potentialy depths of stupid too great for even the most advanced devices to measure.


Mine are broke now. I'll order some new ones from you when you adjust them to incoporate high levels like this.
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Re: Logic dictates that there is a God!

Postby PLAYER57832 on Wed May 28, 2008 5:56 pm

TaylorSandbek wrote:Of course not. New life is obviously able to be created. But nothing living will come from anything non living. And everything that is living will decay

Uh you might recognize this quote: "From dust we come and to dust we will return"
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Re: Logic dictates that there is a God!

Postby Napoleon Ier on Wed May 28, 2008 5:57 pm

PLAYER57832 wrote:
TaylorSandbek wrote:Of course not. New life is obviously able to be created. But nothing living will come from anything non living. And everything that is living will decay

Uh you might recognize this quote: "From dust we come and to dust we will return"


Uh...you may recognise this theological principle: God, a living personal being, created humans.
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Re: Logic dictates that there is a God!

Postby suggs on Wed May 28, 2008 5:58 pm

Yes, was that written by St. John The Stater Of The Bleeding Obvious?

I do hope you're not quoting from your cult propaganda again, Player.
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