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Re: OBAMA

Postby Nobunaga on Wed Jun 04, 2008 4:49 pm

Frigidus wrote:
RiskTycoon wrote:so Roger, in other words are you saying it's a choice between a human poop sandwich and a horse poop one? i mean neither sound good but I'd rather eat horse poop than human poop if i had to lol ... i mean, it's not a choice between like Washington and Lincoln ! :lol:

oh and there is no way he can be elected ... some people think the reverend thing didn't hurt him much ... but look at the polls ... when people look at these they don't look deep enough .. for example ...
national polls - and the attendant wishful-thinking among all the Barack fans in the media - that show "0-Bama bouncing back" and has thus "overcome any damage done to him by Rev Jeremiah Wright"?

NOTHING.

These polls are a measure of how Barack Hussein Obama is thought of by DEMOCRAT VOTERS ONLY - they are the ones who will first forgive and forget the Rev Wright-Obama love affair.

There remains No Evidence (nor any common sense) suggesting INDEPENDENT and REPUBLICAN voters - most espceically White, Blue Collar voters in key swing states - have forgiven nor forgotten the hateful Wright and Obama's long, close embrace of Wright's twisted dogma.

From here, BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA REMAINS UNELECTABLE IN A GENERAL ELECTION.


OK, yeah. Hello, I'm an independent. I found it quite funny (and depressing) to watch everyone splutter and gasp over something that some guys fucking pastor said. I suppose that as an athiest I can't really draw the connection, but let me ask you: Do you agree with everything your pastor says? If you answer yes I have next to no respect for you. That was the church that Obama grew up with, and his pastor was likely his father figure throughout a good deal of his life. The fact that he stuck with him for so long despite the potential risks of doing so says mountains more than if he had thrown him on the wayside as soon as things got tough. Hell, I wouldn't vote for someone whose personal ties have that little substance, it indicates to me that they care about nothing but power. The same goes for that racist preacher that endorsed McCain. Who cares? Jesus, let me break this down. If you're looking at a candidate, you should look at one of two things. First off, examine their policies. Second, examine their personal character. What you don't do is look at people vaguely connected to them, dig out their personal history, and smear their name. That sort of politics is disgusting and should be reserved for the sort of people that give half a shit about what Britney Spears is doing. I have some qualms about Obama's policies, but I have so far seen no reason to distrust his character. Also, if you honestly think that Obama is unelectable, you're giving WAY too much credit to the American people. The average independent associates the Republicans with George W. Bush, and the only reason he wasn't tossed out last term was that Kerry was a complete oaf. I don't see how Obama could lose without a huge change in the current situation.


... The problem with the Wright connection is, OBH attended this guy's church for 20 years, and has called Wright his own "Spritual Advisor". Wright married OBH and his wife and baptized his kids. Wright was also a campaign advisor (a minor one). OBH is just too close to this Jew/white-hating lunatic.

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Re: OBAMA

Postby Neoteny on Wed Jun 04, 2008 5:05 pm

RD mentioned something way back about Obama's experience. Dubya was notoriously experienced before he was elected president, what with running a baseball team and six years of governorship under his belt. I'm not saying that experience isn't an issue, but it definitely isn't a hindrance to this whole electability factor the media keeps babbling about.
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Re: OBAMA

Postby Napoleon Ier on Wed Jun 04, 2008 5:15 pm

Neoteny wrote:RD mentioned something way back about Obama's experience. Dubya was notoriously experienced before he was elected president, what with running a baseball team and six years of governorship under his belt.


Yes. Exactly.
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Re: OBAMA

Postby Neoteny on Wed Jun 04, 2008 5:23 pm

Napoleon Ier wrote:
Neoteny wrote:RD mentioned something way back about Obama's experience. Dubya was notoriously experienced before he was elected president, what with running a baseball team and six years of governorship under his belt.


Yes. Exactly.


It's hard to discern sarcasm from two words, but I assume you are disagreeing with me. I'm not going to credit Bush's term with the Rangers as giving him more experience than our current Fearless Leader, I'm going to let this speak for itself.
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Re: OBAMA

Postby Frigidus on Wed Jun 04, 2008 5:25 pm

Neoteny wrote:
Napoleon Ier wrote:
Neoteny wrote:RD mentioned something way back about Obama's experience. Dubya was notoriously experienced before he was elected president, what with running a baseball team and six years of governorship under his belt.


Yes. Exactly.


It's hard to discern sarcasm from two words, but I assume you are disagreeing with me. I'm not going to credit Bush's term with the Rangers as giving him more experience than our current Fearless Leader, I'm going to let this speak for itself.


I think he was actually agreeing with you. This is quite worrisome, as recently Nappy, jay and the pseudo-liberal majority have fallen into agreement in quite a few cases lately. I think this might be the end times.
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Re: OBAMA

Postby Neoteny on Wed Jun 04, 2008 5:27 pm

Frigidus wrote:
Neoteny wrote:
Napoleon Ier wrote:
Neoteny wrote:RD mentioned something way back about Obama's experience. Dubya was notoriously experienced before he was elected president, what with running a baseball team and six years of governorship under his belt.


Yes. Exactly.


It's hard to discern sarcasm from two words, but I assume you are disagreeing with me. I'm not going to credit Bush's term with the Rangers as giving him more experience than our current Fearless Leader, I'm going to let this speak for itself.


I think he was actually agreeing with you. This is quite worrisome, as recently Nappy, jay and the pseudo-liberal majority have fallen into agreement in quite a few cases lately. I think this might be the end times.


I couldn't tell. And I love arguing with people...
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Re: OBAMA

Postby suggs on Wed Jun 04, 2008 5:35 pm

No you don't.
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Re: OBAMA

Postby Frigidus on Wed Jun 04, 2008 5:36 pm

suggs wrote:No you don't.


Although this probably is directed at Neoteny, it seems to me that it sums up the whole thread. Check and mate guys.
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Re: OBAMA

Postby suggs on Wed Jun 04, 2008 5:39 pm

It was just a crap joke directed at Neotony, actually :oops:
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Re: OBAMA

Postby Frigidus on Wed Jun 04, 2008 5:40 pm

suggs wrote:It was just a crap joke directed at Neotony, actually :oops:


See, I'm not the only one that does it! It's a tough word!
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Re: OBAMA

Postby Napoleon Ier on Wed Jun 04, 2008 5:49 pm

Neoteny wrote:
Frigidus wrote:
Neoteny wrote:
Napoleon Ier wrote:
Neoteny wrote:RD mentioned something way back about Obama's experience. Dubya was notoriously experienced before he was elected president, what with running a baseball team and six years of governorship under his belt.


Yes. Exactly.


It's hard to discern sarcasm from two words, but I assume you are disagreeing with me. I'm not going to credit Bush's term with the Rangers as giving him more experience than our current Fearless Leader, I'm going to let this speak for itself.


I think he was actually agreeing with you. This is quite worrisome, as recently Nappy, jay and the pseudo-liberal majority have fallen into agreement in quite a few cases lately. I think this might be the end times.


I couldn't tell. And I love arguing with people...


No, I'm saying if you're looking for an example of an successful yet inexperienced president, Bush isn't exactly exhibit A.

Sure, he made it to Prez: and then he fucked up the country (swallows) even more than bloody Clinton.
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Re: OBAMA

Postby Neoteny on Wed Jun 04, 2008 6:00 pm

Napoleon Ier wrote:No, I'm saying if you're looking for an example of an successful yet inexperienced president, Bush isn't exactly exhibit A.

Sure, he made it to Prez: and then he fucked up the country (swallows) even more than bloody Clinton.



Heh. Fair enough.
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Re: OBAMA

Postby InkL0sed on Wed Jun 04, 2008 6:08 pm

I'd say Abe Lincoln would be exhibit A.
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Re: OBAMA

Postby jonesthecurl on Wed Jun 04, 2008 6:09 pm

suggs wrote:I'd be surprised if anyone remembers it, come polling day.
AND VOTE, YOU ....
Remember all the patriots who died to set you free.
(Tho, granted it meant you now can't make a decent cup of tea to save your lives :twisted: )


So - the land of the brave but not home of the tea, eh?
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Re: OBAMA

Postby suggs on Wed Jun 04, 2008 6:10 pm

I saw ya Nap!
Nappy is a liberal, liberal, liberal!
*exits chanting childish nonsense*
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Re: OBAMA

Postby suggs on Wed Jun 04, 2008 6:11 pm

jonesthecurl wrote:
suggs wrote:I'd be surprised if anyone remembers it, come polling day.
AND VOTE, YOU ....
Remember all the patriots who died to set you free.
(Tho, granted it meant you now can't make a decent cup of tea to save your lives :twisted: )


So - the land of the brave but not home of the tea, eh?


Exactly. A poor trade off. ;)
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Re: OBAMA

Postby Napoleon Ier on Wed Jun 04, 2008 6:12 pm

InkL0sed wrote:I'd say Abe Lincoln would be exhibit A.


Of what, a mongoloid who ended up indiscriminately slaughtering 120.000 civilians and leading 400.000 soldiers to their deaths over a cause which would have been peacefully resolved within the decade anyway, all the while shitting on the principles of the U.S Constitution.

In fact, here he is taking a dump on Jefferson's grave:

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*frantically flicks through Flashman to brush up on keen Civil War knowledge*
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Re: OBAMA

Postby InkL0sed on Wed Jun 04, 2008 6:25 pm

Napoleon Ier wrote:
InkL0sed wrote:I'd say Abe Lincoln would be exhibit A.


Of what, a mongoloid who ended up indiscriminately slaughtering 120.000 civilians and leading 400.000 soldiers to their deaths over a cause which would have been peacefully resolved within the decade anyway, all the while shitting on the principles of the U.S Constitution.

In fact, here he is taking a dump on Jefferson's grave:

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*frantically flicks through Flashman to brush up on keen Civil War knowledge*


Somehow I doubt you're serious. If you are, well then, I suppose you have officially become as insane as jay.
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Re: OBAMA

Postby jonesthecurl on Wed Jun 04, 2008 6:27 pm

and of course, those bundles of sticks he has his hands on are "fasces", ancient imperial symbols of power, less evident in public monuments since the invention of the word "fascism".
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Re: OBAMA

Postby nesterdude on Wed Jun 04, 2008 6:27 pm

Napoleon Ier wrote:
InkL0sed wrote:I'd say Abe Lincoln would be exhibit A.


Of what, a mongoloid who ended up indiscriminately slaughtering 120.000 civilians and leading 400.000 soldiers to their deaths over a cause which would have been peacefully resolved within the decade anyway, all the while shitting on the principles of the U.S Constitution.

In fact, here he is taking a dump on Jefferson's grave:

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*frantically flicks through Flashman to brush up on keen Civil War knowledge*


Ha ha well said; we tend to turn these past leaders (most of them) as near gods. Who really as a president has had the right "experience"? Washington? Jefferson? Roosevelt? On the other hand, do we really want professional lifelong politicians running things? No thank you. Change it up, get a new breed in there, a new class of people.
TBH I can't stand Obama and his campaign built on abstract nouns...
Hope: WTF is that? Change: huh? Believe: right!
Anyway, the dude has said absolutely nothing of consequence, but none of them really have.
It's all a slice of reality television, right down to the nailbiter of a primary and every new scandal brought out to the public forum.
Enjoy, it's good fun. We'll be toasting champagne as it all falls down around us.
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Re: OBAMA

Postby InkL0sed on Wed Jun 04, 2008 6:31 pm

I don't think you can find a single historian who thinks Lincoln wasn't one of the greatest Presidents ever. I'm sorry but anyone who thinks otherwise is either an ignoramus, a moron, both, or is an ass. I won't even bother explaining why.
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Re: OBAMA

Postby suggs on Wed Jun 04, 2008 6:57 pm

Well, Naps point (or Flashman's ;) ) about slavery being peacefully settled in a decade is a good one. I realise its a "who knows" but one musn't be uncritical of Lincoln.
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Re: OBAMA

Postby Juan_Bottom on Wed Jun 04, 2008 7:18 pm

I'm sorry too, but the Civil War was not fought over slavery. It was over states rights. I would say that slavery probably barely makes it into the top ten reasons that the Civil War was fought. It is a common misconception though.

But we are stealing this thread away from people who actually do want to discuss Obama......
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Re: OBAMA

Postby suggs on Wed Jun 04, 2008 7:21 pm

Yeah,, there is another thread somewhere about slavery - in whicj I made the same point as you just did :shock:

Though I would temper my analysis by saying it was a major cause of the war, along with fed vs states, and the closing of the continent.

I like Obama.
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Re: OBAMA

Postby ndnpride07 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 7:21 pm

OBAMA wins nomination - its historic.
Everyone even in Europe is talking about it.
Guys that John McCain sucks at speeches, and talks like a robot, let alone blinking too much - i want to see that obama-mccain debate. the republican doesnt stand a chance.

CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN!
OBAMA 08!
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