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naxus wrote:Sorry if this has been asked before in the previous 70+ pages but about what time yearwise did christianity come into being?
tzor wrote:naxus wrote:Sorry if this has been asked before in the previous 70+ pages but about what time yearwise did christianity come into being?
I would say that it really came into being when it allowed the conversion of non jews without having to be first converted to judaism (ie circumcision) by the council of Jerusalem roughly around AD 50.
Or you could argue it came from day one which would be around pentacost AD 34.
naxus wrote:tzor wrote:naxus wrote:Sorry if this has been asked before in the previous 70+ pages but about what time yearwise did christianity come into being?
I would say that it really came into being when it allowed the conversion of non jews without having to be first converted to judaism (ie circumcision) by the council of Jerusalem roughly around AD 50.
Or you could argue it came from day one which would be around pentacost AD 34.
So All the people who have died before 34 AD worshipped the wrong religions and believed in the wrong gods according to christianity and consequently went to hell?That would be hundreds of thousands if not millons of people
naxus wrote:Ok that answers that but if christianity is the "one" true religion then why are there other religions out there.Why didn't god stop the spreading of other Religions?
naxus wrote:Ok that answers that but if christianity is the "one" true religion then why are there other religions out there.Why didn't god stop the spreading of other Religions?
muy_thaiguy wrote:naxus wrote:Ok that answers that but if christianity is the "one" true religion then why are there other religions out there.Why didn't god stop the spreading of other Religions?
Well, to be more specific, Roman Catholicism believes and preaches that. From what I have seen of some of the branches of Chrisitianity (Lutheranism, Baptists, and Methodists) they don't specifically say that.
Anyways, religions like Judaism, Buddhism, and Hinduism have been around much longer (as well as Shintoism and some other not so well heard of religions) and they, along with the other religions belive that their's is the true religion. And, I know what I'm about to say is going to probably cause the the debate (again), but, God gave people free will to choose, to choose their own paths.
naxus wrote:So All the people who have died before 34 AD worshipped the wrong religions and believed in the wrong gods according to christianity and consequently went to hell?That would be hundreds of thousands if not millons of people
Catechism of the Catholic Church wrote:1257 The Lord himself affirms that Baptism is necessary for salvation. He also commands his disciples to proclaim the Gospel to all nations and to baptize them. Baptism is necessary for salvation for those to whom the Gospel has been proclaimed and who have had the possibility of asking for this sacrament. The Church does not know of any means other than Baptism that assures entry into eternal beatitude; this is why she takes care not to neglect the mission she has received from the Lord to see that all who can be baptized are "reborn of water and the Spirit." God has bound salvation to the sacrament of Baptism, but he himself is not bound by his sacraments.
Frigidus wrote:muy_thaiguy wrote:naxus wrote:Ok that answers that but if christianity is the "one" true religion then why are there other religions out there.Why didn't god stop the spreading of other Religions?
Well, to be more specific, Roman Catholicism believes and preaches that. From what I have seen of some of the branches of Chrisitianity (Lutheranism, Baptists, and Methodists) they don't specifically say that.
Anyways, religions like Judaism, Buddhism, and Hinduism have been around much longer (as well as Shintoism and some other not so well heard of religions) and they, along with the other religions belive that their's is the true religion. And, I know what I'm about to say is going to probably cause the the debate (again), but, God gave people free will to choose, to choose their own paths.
Indeed...sucks that he punishes us for it.
naxus wrote:Ok so probably a really bad question but what if Christianity is not the "One true" Religion?
So if god doesn't punish people who havnt fully heard about it then what does he do to them?
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naxus wrote:So if god doesn't punish people who havnt fully heard about it then what does he do to them?
tzor wrote:To those to whom much is given, much is required. To those whom little is given, little is required. Yes, it probably annoys people that God might grade on a curve, but then again the Gospels aready shows He tends to flat out ignore hourly wage maximums. "Are you jealous because I am generous?"
naxus wrote:Ok so probably a really bad question but what if Christianity is not the "One true" Religion?
Backglass wrote:tzor wrote:To those to whom much is given, much is required. To those whom little is given, little is required. Yes, it probably annoys people that God might grade on a curve, but then again the Gospels aready shows He tends to flat out ignore hourly wage maximums. "Are you jealous because I am generous?"
Wow. Do you actually ever come up with a thought on your own? Or is everything you know and say just repeated, like your post?
I gave up invisible friends when I was 5. I see you still have yours.
naxus wrote:naxus wrote:Ok so probably a really bad question but what if Christianity is not the "One true" Religion?
so anyone got an answer to this?
naxus wrote:Ok let me put it out there that all religions are wrong.Personnaly i dont believe this but just want to start a conversation.That all religions are wrong and there is no higher being.Could we handle this?
Napoleon Ier wrote:You people need to grow up to be honest.
naxus wrote:Ok let me put it out there that all religions are wrong.Personnaly i dont believe this but just want to start a conversation.That all religions are wrong and there is no higher being.Could we handle this?
naxus wrote:Ok let me put it out there that all religions are wrong.Personnaly i dont believe this but just want to start a conversation.That all religions are wrong and there is no higher being.Could we handle this?
Jenos Ridan wrote:1. The existence of something is intelligible only if it has an explanation (this is confirmed by the definition of the term intelligibility.).
2. The existence of the Universe is therefore either:
a. unintelligible, or
b. has an explanation
(logical deduction from #1)
3. No rational person should accept 2a. (Confirmed by the definition of rationality.)
4. Therefore, 2b is the rational conclusion and the Universe has an explanation.
5. But there are only three kinds of explanation:
a) Scientific: C + L = E (Independent physical, initial conditions, plus relevant laws, yield the Event explained.)
b) Essential: the essence of the thing to be explained requires it's existence.
c) Personal: this posits explanations that cite the intentions and powers of some personal Agent.
6. The existence of the Universe cannot be explained Scientifically; if the Universe is just natural conditions and laws, there can be no initial physical conditions or laws outside of it--independent of it--to explain it.
7. The explanation cannot be an Essential one; the Universe is a contingent one, and therefore is not necessary. It could just as well 'not exist' as exist. Its essence doesn't require it to existence.
8. So a rational person should believe that the Universe has a Personal explanation.
9. The only personal agent capable--having the power and wisdom--to create the entire universe out of nothing is 'God'.
10. Therefore, a rational person believes there exists a God.
Jenos Ridan wrote:9. The only personal agent capable--having the power and wisdom--to create the entire universe out of nothing is 'God'.
10. Therefore, a rational person believes there exists a God.
Jenos Ridan wrote:1. The existence of something is intelligible only if it has an explanation (this is confirmed by the definition of the term intelligibility.).
2. The existence of the Universe is therefore either:
a. unintelligible, or
b. has an explanation
(logical deduction from #1)
3. No rational person should accept 2a. (Confirmed by the definition of rationality.)
4. Therefore, 2b is the rational conclusion and the Universe has an explanation.
5. But there are only three kinds of explanation:
a) Scientific: C + L = E (Independent physical, initial conditions, plus relevant laws, yield the Event explained.)
b) Essential: the essence of the thing to be explained requires it's existence.
c) Personal: this posits explanations that cite the intentions and powers of some personal Agent.
6. The existence of the Universe cannot be explained Scientifically; if the Universe is just natural conditions and laws, there can be no initial physical conditions or laws outside of it--independent of it--to explain it.
7. The explanation cannot be an Essential one; the Universe is a contingent one, and therefore is not necessary. It could just as well 'not exist' as exist. Its essence doesn't require it to existence.
8. So a rational person should believe that the Universe has a Personal explanation.
9. The only personal agent capable--having the power and wisdom--to create the entire universe out of nothing is 'God'.
10. Therefore, a rational person believes there exists a God.
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