Evolution vs Creation-Comparing each View

[Neoteny]

Anyone heard of this recently? It's nice to get updates every once in awhile, and it seems they found something cool. This is the kind of stuff that makes me shit my pants with excitement. I want to do that!

[Snorri1234]

Anyone heard of this recently? It's nice to get updates every once in awhile, and it seems they found something cool. This is the kind of stuff that makes me shit my pants with excitement. I want to do that!

Holy shit. That's pretty fucking cool.

[jonesthecurl]

Anyone heard of this recently? It's nice to get updates every once in awhile, and it seems they found something cool. This is the kind of stuff that makes me shit my pants with excitement. I want to do that!

Fascinating. Thanks for finding that.

[Juan_Bottom]

awesome.

[Juan_Bottom]

So my cousin's husband and I are having a creationism VS evolution debate through E-mail. I'm kicking his butt so far. But this is what he just sent me. I question how serious he is anymore....

http://www.answersingenesis.org/creatio ... /whale.asp
http://www.answersingenesis.org/creatio ... igbang.asp
http://www.answersingenesis.org/creatio ... aliens.asp

I think that last one was just a joke. But he and I have been going a'round about this for a while. All this stuff he sent this time is filtered through a Christian perspective, and it's very frustating that he offered it as a genuine argument.
So this time I just sent him your link. I thank you.

[Snorri1234]

http://www.answersingenesis.org/creatio ... /whale.asp

Wait a minute....evolutionists are claiming whales evolved from land-creatures?


I never knew that...

[tzor]

Wait a minute....evolutionists are claiming whales evolved from land-creatures?

Yes. You don't need to beathe air until you leave the water.

OK let's look at Genesis for a moment: Day 2: Creation of the Sea and Sky

Then God said, "Let there be a dome in the middle of the waters, to separate one body of water from the other." And so it happened:
God made the dome, and it separated the water above the dome from the water below it.
God called the dome "the sky." Evening came, and morning followed--the second day.

Now let's look at day 5, where the rullers of the regions of day 2 (the sea and sky) are given their rule

Then God said, "Let the water teem with an abundance of living creatures, and on the earth let birds fly beneath the dome of the sky." And so it happened:
God created the great sea monsters and all kinds of swimming creatures with which the water teems, and all kinds of winged birds. God saw how good it was,
and God blessed them, saying, "Be fertile, multiply, and fill the water of the seas; and let the birds multiply on the earth."
Evening came, and morning followed--the fifth day.

In this view the 6 days of creation are divided into two divisions of 3.

[jonesthecurl]

http://www.answersingenesis.org/creatio ... /whale.asp

Wait a minute....evolutionists are claiming whales evolved from land-creatures?


I never knew that...

Yes of course. They are mammals, like dolphins.

[jonesthecurl]

So my cousin's husband and I are having a creationism VS evolution debate through E-mail. I'm kicking his butt so far. But this is what he just sent me. I question how serious he is anymore....

http://www.answersingenesis.org/creatio ... /whale.asp
http://www.answersingenesis.org/creatio ... igbang.asp
http://www.answersingenesis.org/creatio ... aliens.asp

I think that last one was just a joke. But he and I have been going a'round about this for a while. All this stuff he sent this time is filtered through a Christian perspective, and it's very frustating that he offered it as a genuine argument.
So this time I just sent him your link. I thank you.

That last one doesn't actually seem to make a point at all...is it saying that aliens are demons?

[jonesthecurl]

Also, even though (as I've said in these posts before) I suspect there's a basic flaw with the current cosmological theory, especially since the introduction of the idea of "dark energy", (whcih the article claims is also true of some profesional scientists), this doesn not mean that the scientific method should be ditched or that creationism is right.
This is akin to saying "There's no such thing as phlogiston, therefore god created the world in seven days".

[Neoteny]

So my cousin's husband and I are having a creationism VS evolution debate through E-mail. I'm kicking his butt so far. But this is what he just sent me. I question how serious he is anymore....

http://www.answersingenesis.org/creatio ... /whale.asp
http://www.answersingenesis.org/creatio ... igbang.asp
http://www.answersingenesis.org/creatio ... aliens.asp

I think that last one was just a joke. But he and I have been going a'round about this for a while. All this stuff he sent this time is filtered through a Christian perspective, and it's very frustating that he offered it as a genuine argument.
So this time I just sent him your link. I thank you.

AiG is probably not the most reasonable place to obtain information. I generally laugh at people who cite it. I suggest you do the same.

http://www.answersingenesis.org/creatio ... /whale.asp

Wait a minute....evolutionists are claiming whales evolved from land-creatures?


I never knew that...

Then you're missing out. It's a pretty cool thread in evolutionary theory.

[Juan_Bottom]

Also, even though (as I've said in these posts before) I suspect there's a basic flaw with the current cosmological theory, especially since the introduction of the idea of "dark energy", (whcih the article claims is also true of some profesional scientists), this doesn not mean that the scientific method should be ditched or that creationism is right.
This is akin to saying "There's no such thing as phlogiston, therefore god created the world in seven days".

I agree.

[MeDeFe]

http://www.answersingenesis.org/creatio ... /whale.asp

Wait a minute....evolutionists are claiming whales evolved from land-creatures?

I never knew that...

You didn't? I knew that when I was 10 and reading my first books about sharks and dinosaurs.

[tzor]

The only thing I didn't know when I was a kid was the birds evolving from dinosaurs. But yes whales are four legged mammals. Queue the wiki music:

Whales are cetaceans which are neither dolphins (i.e. members of the families Delphinidae or Platanistoidae) nor porpoises. Orcas (Killer Whales) and Pilot whales have "whale" in their name, but they are dolphins for the purpose of classification.

All cetaceans, including whales, dolphins and porpoises, are descendants of land-living mammals of the Artiodactyl order (even-toed ungulate animals). Both cetaceans and artiodactyl are now classified under the super-order Cetartiodactyla which includes both whales and hippos. In fact, whales are the closest living relatives of hippos; they evolved from a common ancestor at around 54 million years ago. Whales entered the water roughly 50 million years ago.

Whales actually still have the undevoped bones of what would be their hind legs, and their front legs evolved into the front flippers.

[Snorri1234]

Whales actually still have the undevoped bones of what would be their hind legs, and their front legs evolved into the front flippers.

Yeah I knew that, I just forgot that that would mean they came from the land first. I was thinking about animals coming from the sea onto the land, and animals living in the sea therefore didn't have to go onto the land first.

Dammit, I really need to reread stuff again.

[Juan_Bottom]

Whales actually still have the undevoped bones of what would be their hind legs, and their front legs evolved into the front flippers.

Yeah I knew that, I just forgot that that would mean they came from the land first. I was thinking about animals coming from the sea onto the land, and animals living in the sea therefore didn't have to go onto the land first.

Dammit, I really need to reread stuff again.

Well, don't read about it at answersigenesis.org

[packrat31306]

hmmmm....... what do you mean that you don't think I'm serious anymore? Juan Bottom has very interesting ideas. I'll give him that. I'll also give him credit for his style of arguments...........but, I honestly believe that it isn't possible, much less probable that anything can come out of nothing. Also I find it hard to believe that you could get so many somethings out of a single something.

Enough of the intro..........why is there so much oil in the middle east? Any ideas? Any at all? What does oil come from? How is it made? dead animals and such. when an animal dies it has to be burried and compressed quicklly to ensure the process before said animal begins to just turn to dust. it works like a diamond. carbon has to be compressed and heated for so long before it will turn to a diamond.

now....why is there so much oil in the middle east? the firtle crest. (er....spelling) the start of civillization according to christianity. the garden of eden was place in or around Iraq. think about it. if there was only 2 of overything to begin with then after 1500 years or so you wouldn't cover much of the earth. then the flood, extremely rapidly covering everything and causing instant burial for anything on the earth. instant compression and vwalla! lots of oil! interesting.

Packrat........aka packrat 31306

[Juan_Bottom]

hmmmm....... what do you mean that you don't think I'm serious anymore? Juan Bottom has very interesting ideas. I'll give him that. I'll also give him credit for his style of arguments...........but, I honestly believe that it isn't possible, much less probable that anything can come out of nothing. Also I find it hard to believe that you could get so many somethings out of a single something.

Enough of the intro..........why is there so much oil in the middle east? Any ideas? Any at all? What does oil come from? How is it made? dead animals and such. when an animal dies it has to be burried and compressed quicklly to ensure the process before said animal begins to just turn to dust. it works like a diamond. carbon has to be compressed and heated for so long before it will turn to a diamond.

now....why is there so much oil in the middle east? the firtle crest. (er....spelling) the start of civillization according to christianity. the garden of eden was place in or around Iraq. think about it. if there was only 2 of overything to begin with then after 1500 years or so you wouldn't cover much of the earth. then the flood, extremely rapidly covering everything and causing instant burial for anything on the earth. instant compression and vwalla! lots of oil! interesting.

Packrat........aka packrat 31306

Ladies and gentlemen, MY COUSIN'S HUSBAND!!!!!!!
I knew I could trick you into joining the discussion. Prepare to become Atheist forever!

[MeDeFe]

That's quite far-fetched, rat. Also, there's a lot of oil in the North Sea, in Russia, in Alaska, I hear Texas has some, there's coal (which is also ancient organic stuff) all over Europe, quite large deposits in Alsace and Ruhrgebiet afaik. Did the animals run or fly (or swim) there really quickly and then lie down to die and make the oil and coal? Why is there oil under the sea at all? The fishes could hardly have drowned in the flood to make oil in those places.

[Juan_Bottom]

Oil comes from dead vegitation, algae, and microscopic organisms.

http://www.thenakedscientists.com/HTML/ ... tion/1284/


And let me answer you with a question.
You let geologists tell you that the mideast is the largest deposit of oil, and you let them tell you how oil is made. Why then do you ignore the fact that they also say the earliest time mideastern oil began to form was over 60 million years ago? Isn't that supposed to be before there was even an earth? Before a 'garden?'

[tzor]

Enough of the intro..........why is there so much oil in the middle east?

Why is there so much oil in the Gulf of Mexico?

[Ray Rider]

the firtle crest. (er....spelling) the start of civillization according to christianity. the garden of eden was place in or around Iraq.

Huh? The Bible doesn't say anything about the location of the Garden of Eden. A river or two in Iraq are named after rivers mentioned in Genesis, but we have no idea where the Garden of Eden actually was since the flood messed up the earth so much.

[Snorri1234]

Oil comes from dead vegitation, algae, and microscopic organisms.

http://www.thenakedscientists.com/HTML/ ... tion/1284/

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Ah, beat me to it.

[jonesthecurl]

hmmmm....... what do you mean that you don't think I'm serious anymore? Juan Bottom has very interesting ideas. I'll give him that. I'll also give him credit for his style of arguments...........but, I honestly believe that it isn't possible, much less probable that anything can come out of nothing. Also I find it hard to believe that you could get so many somethings out of a single something.

Enough of the intro..........why is there so much oil in the middle east? Any ideas? Any at all? What does oil come from? How is it made? dead animals and such. when an animal dies it has to be burried and compressed quicklly to ensure the process before said animal begins to just turn to dust. it works like a diamond. carbon has to be compressed and heated for so long before it will turn to a diamond.

now....why is there so much oil in the middle east? the firtle crest. (er....spelling) the start of civillization according to christianity. the garden of eden was place in or around Iraq. think about it. if there was only 2 of overything to begin with then after 1500 years or so you wouldn't cover much of the earth. then the flood, extremely rapidly covering everything and causing instant burial for anything on the earth. instant compression and vwalla! lots of oil! interesting.

Packrat........aka packrat 31306

OK here's a chance to do some science. squash some animals and plants under enough pounds of pressure for a few weeks and see if you get crude oil.

Which brings up the question of why there were plants still around after the flood went...hadn't they all been squashed into oil?

[Snorri1234]

Which brings up the question of why there were plants still around after the flood went...hadn't they all been squashed into oil?

A better question is: Why didn't they fucking drown?

You can't put plants under water for two months without them dying!