Evolution vs Creation-Comparing each View

[jonesthecurl]

Which brings up the question of why there were plants still around after the flood went...hadn't they all been squashed into oil?

A better question is: Why didn't they fucking drown?

You can't put plants under water for two months without them dying!

Let's take it slowly. I may bring up the freshwater/saltwater fish question in a minute.

[packrat31306]

I laugh in the face of opposition!
I think it's funny when people get it to debates about the flood. People just think of the flood like just water falling from the sky and sitting on the earth to create one big ocean. hahahahaha that's the funniest thing I've ever heard. How did the flood happen? Where did the water come from?

If you think about it there wasn't that much water above the earth (ground!) to cover that much of the earth at once. On day 2 in the creation account there God seperated the waters. He created oceans, seas, lakes, springs, and what I like to call the upper atmosphere. The upper atmosphere was a layer of water that sat above all the other layers in the atmosphere to turn the earth in to a green house. It filtered UV rays and stuff that would be harmful from reaching the earth. Now....what happens in a green house. things grow bigger! when the earth was one big green house, plants, animals, and humans grew much bigger than they do know, i.e, giant sloths, mammoths. Pretty much everything you can think of. but when the flood came all that water came down from the upper atmosphere and from below. there were enormous underground caverns full of water that exploded upwards to help flood the earth and to help rearange the face of the earth. I'm a firm believer in the idea that all the continents were together at one time and that during the time of the flood they seperated. The underwater resevours probably came from under the oceans and seas as well. between that and the earth's plates shifting it probably would cause such termoil in the waters that yes it would help to very quickly bury plants and animals in the area. http://www.answersingenesis.org/creatio ... yosaur.asp
I know this is probably going to piss a few people off that i'm referencing this resource again, but it can't be helped. now i'm not saying that the flood is the only reason we have oil, but it explaines why there would be such vast amounts in any given spot.

After the flood the waters receeded back down into the earth and some evaporated to form the post flood weather patterns. there was no rain pre flood because of the upper atmosphere water level. i also believe that after the flood lifespans decreased greatly because of the lack of green house effect.

also this link. interesting read.

http://www.answersingenesis.org/creatio ... ossils.asp

[jonesthecurl]

There are holes in the sky
where the rain gets in
But the holes are small
That's why rain is thin

Spike Milligan

[Snorri1234]

I laugh in the face of opposition!

So?

I think it's funny when people get it to debates about the flood. People just think of the flood like just water falling from the sky and sitting on the earth to create one big ocean.

Why do they think that?
Well I guess it's just some coincedence because surely it wasn't mentioned anywhere in the bible....

If you think about it there wasn't that much water above the earth (ground!) to cover that much of the earth at once. On day 2 in the creation account there God seperated the waters. He created oceans, seas, lakes, springs, and what I like to call the upper atmosphere. The upper atmosphere was a layer of water that sat above all the other layers in the atmosphere to turn the earth in to a green house. It filtered UV rays and stuff that would be harmful from reaching the earth. Now....what happens in a green house. things grow bigger! when the earth was one big green house, plants, animals, and humans grew much bigger than they do know, i.e, giant sloths, mammoths. Pretty much everything you can think of. but when the flood came all that water came down from the upper atmosphere and from below. there were enormous underground caverns full of water that exploded upwards to help flood the earth and to help rearange the face of the earth. I'm a firm believer in the idea that all the continents were together at one time and that during the time of the flood they seperated. The underwater resevours probably came from under the oceans and seas as well. between that and the earth's plates shifting it probably would cause such termoil in the waters that yes it would help to very quickly bury plants and animals in the area.

This shows both an enormous lack in rational thought and an understimation of god's powers.

But whatever.

I know this is probably going to piss a few people off that i'm referencing this resource again, but it can't be helped.

Don't worry. The friendly people in white coats will be over in a minute to help you.

. there was no rain pre flood because of the upper atmosphere water level.

Animals and plants just magically kept on living without a steady supply of water?

i also believe that after the flood lifespans decreased greatly because of the lack of green house effect.

?????

????

???
???
???!??!?!!!!!!!

[packrat31306]

wow.....nevermind

There are holes in the sky
where the rain gets in
But the holes are small
That's why rain is thin

Spike Milligan

[packrat31306]

I laugh in the face of opposition!

So?

I think it's funny when people get it to debates about the flood. People just think of the flood like just water falling from the sky and sitting on the earth to create one big ocean.

Why do they think that?
Well I guess it's just some coincedence because surely it wasn't mentioned anywhere in the bible....

If you think about it there wasn't that much water above the earth (ground!) to cover that much of the earth at once. On day 2 in the creation account there God seperated the waters. He created oceans, seas, lakes, springs, and what I like to call the upper atmosphere. The upper atmosphere was a layer of water that sat above all the other layers in the atmosphere to turn the earth in to a green house. It filtered UV rays and stuff that would be harmful from reaching the earth. Now....what happens in a green house. things grow bigger! when the earth was one big green house, plants, animals, and humans grew much bigger than they do know, i.e, giant sloths, mammoths. Pretty much everything you can think of. but when the flood came all that water came down from the upper atmosphere and from below. there were enormous underground caverns full of water that exploded upwards to help flood the earth and to help rearange the face of the earth. I'm a firm believer in the idea that all the continents were together at one time and that during the time of the flood they seperated. The underwater resevours probably came from under the oceans and seas as well. between that and the earth's plates shifting it probably would cause such termoil in the waters that yes it would help to very quickly bury plants and animals in the area.

This shows both an enormous lack in rational thought and an understimation of god's powers.

But whatever.

I know this is probably going to piss a few people off that i'm referencing this resource again, but it can't be helped.

Don't worry. The friendly people in white coats will be over in a minute to help you.

. there was no rain pre flood because of the upper atmosphere water level.

Animals and plants just magically kept on living without a steady supply of water?

i also believe that after the flood lifespans decreased greatly because of the lack of green house effect.

?????

????

???
???
???!??!?!!!!!!!

was there a point to this? you tore it apart but made no point? your mom must be embaressed to be called your mom!
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

next time have a point. it makes it so much interesting for the listener!

[Snorri1234]

was there a point to this? you tore it apart but made no point? your mom must be embaressed to be called your mom!
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

next time have a point. it makes it so much interesting for the listener!

Yeah i tore it apart mostly because you had no point. I didn't bother to discredit every little thing because I saw your post for the obvious retardedness that it was.

Try thinking of good arguments next time. Also, try reading this thread to debunk all of your silly arguments.

[packrat31306]

hey tell you what. if you're going to argue you could just actually listen to what someone else says before speaking, because if you just speak with paying any attention and come from the idea of I'm right because I am, you discredit yourself then and there. next time try this:
1: listen
2: think
3: speak intelligently
you might keep on topic instead of causing petty arguments because of your own personallity flaws and failure to pay attention.

[Snorri1234]

hey tell you what. if you're going to argue you could just actually listen to what someone else says before speaking,

I been there...
Done that
You got guns? we got guns...
Yo, I got straps, we got straps...
A million muthafuckas on the planet Earth
Talk that hard bullshit
'Cause it's all they worth...

[packrat31306]

by the way MR.Snorri1234......maybe this isn't the right topic for you......maybe you should try somthing more on your level.
you could start a forum about why kids eat paste......or maybe why fingerpaint is so interesting. I might be missing something, but it seems to me like you would excel in one of those types of discussions! Try it sometime. Buy some horses, build a glue factory, and you'll be in business and it'll keep both of your brain cells busy for about 30 seconds!

[packrat31306]

when it comes right down to it.....guns are for pussies! they are for people who don't know how to hit better then your dead great grandma!

[Juan_Bottom]

PackRat, We are saying that the Bible is full of crap, and you are still using it to prove a point. Don't you first have to prove that the Bible is accurate and true?

I think it's funny when people get it to debates about the flood. People just think of the flood like just water falling from the sky and sitting on the earth to create one big ocean. hahahahaha that's the funniest thing I've ever heard. How did the flood happen? Where did the water come from?

If you think about it there wasn't that much water above the earth (ground!) to cover that much of the earth at once. On day 2 in the creation account there God seperated the waters. He created oceans, seas, lakes, springs, and what I like to call the upper atmosphere. The upper atmosphere was a layer of water that sat above all the other layers in the atmosphere to turn the earth in to a green house. It filtered UV rays and stuff that would be harmful from reaching the earth.

but when the flood came all that water came down from the upper atmosphere and from below. there were enormous underground caverns full of water that exploded upwards to help flood the earth and to help rearange the face of the earth. I'm a firm believer in the idea that all the continents were together at one time and that during the time of the flood they seperated. The underwater resevours probably came from under the oceans and seas as well. between that and the earth's plates shifting it probably would cause such termoil in the waters that yes it would help to very quickly bury plants and animals in the area. http://www.answersingenesis.org/creatio ... yosaur.asp

So you are telling me that the Earth was once super-duper hot all over? So... no frozen poles, but there still wasn't enough water to drown everything.... So God used the 'upper atmosphere' of water? Then God decided he liked the new Earth's temp, so he banished all the extra water for good? Rather than return it to the Atmosphere?
And that rather than Magma, the Earth was once full of Water? Cauze I don't see the cave connection, unless God filled them or somethin'. But! Then God banished that water too?

And Plate Techtonics have little to do with continental drift, it's cauzed by water pressure or something? All the continents shifted(from being one massive continent) to their current positions in about 30 days?
Are you on crack? You are aware that the continents are still moving right? Cuz, I don't see water leaking from anywhere today... Certainly you have only sourced the Bible on this. Was the crack good?

And we know all this to be certain because the Bible says so? You still have to prove the Bible correct first.
What about the Geologic table? There is no worldwide flood, or 30 day shift there. Or the frozen Pole core samples that today haunt me in the global warming thread? They do not speak of your 'hypothesis' here.

The upper atmosphere was a layer of water that sat above all the other layers in the atmosphere to turn the earth in to a green house. It filtered UV rays and stuff that would be harmful from reaching the earth. Now....what happens in a green house. things grow bigger! when the earth was one big green house, plants, animals, and humans grew much bigger than they do know, i.e, giant sloths, mammoths. Pretty much everything you can think of.

WTF? Do you really believe this? People and beasts have shrunk because the Earth has cooled? I don't even know what to say to this. First it's wrong, again because your 'evidence' comes straight from the Bible. Secondly, you think people were once big enough, and around to put T-Rex in a head lock? I have yet to see that fossil. So, that's dumb.

As far as big creatures like dinosaurs, mammoths and such go, it only makes sense that they go extinct, or evolve. Large animals always go first, because they were big targets for food, and because they themeselves required a lot of food energy. I hate how I have been forced to argue stupid here.

I don't friggin' get your 'hypothesis', and would love to see it evidenced.... I don't think even your fellow Christians are gonna support you here.....

http://www.answersingenesis.org/creatio ... yosaur.asp
I know this is probably going to piss a few people off that i'm referencing this resource again, but it can't be helped. now i'm not saying that the flood is the only reason we have oil, but it explaines why there would be such vast amounts in any given spot.

Ask a geologist why there is vast amounts of oil in certain places, and I bet he/she won't reference the Bible. Ever wonder why that is?

also this link. interesting read.

http://www.answersingenesis.org/creatio ... ossils.asp

No.

[Juan_Bottom]

when it comes right down to it.....guns are for pussies! they are for people who don't know how to hit better then your dead great grandma!

I like Dre....

I been there...
Done that
You got guns? we got guns...
Yo, I got straps, we got straps...
A million muthafuckas on the planet Earth
Talk that hard bullshit
'Cause it's all they worth...

hey tell you what. if you're going to argue you could just actually listen to what someone else says before speaking,

I been there...
Done that
You got guns? we got guns...
Yo, I got straps, we got straps...
A million muthafuckas on the planet Earth
Talk that hard bullshit
'Cause it's all they worth...

[jonesthecurl]

hey tell you what. if you're going to argue you could just actually listen to what someone else says before speaking, because if you just speak with paying any attention and come from the idea of I'm right because I am, you discredit yourself then and there. next time try this:
1: listen
2: think
3: speak intelligently
you might keep on topic instead of causing petty arguments because of your own personallity flaws and failure to pay attention.

Given that you start from the premise that the bible is totally correct and unassailable, the position of "listen to what other people say" is not one you can recommend

[Neoteny]

i also believe that after the flood lifespans decreased greatly because of the lack of green house effect.

?????

????

???
???
???!??!?!!!!!!!

You know, if you really think about it, really hard (really), increased green house gases trap radiation which can cause cancer... so now we can blame oil companies for a whole new problem.

[PLAYER57832]

hey tell you what. if you're going to argue you could just actually listen to what someone else says before speaking, because if you just speak with paying any attention and come from the idea of I'm right because I am, you discredit yourself then and there. next time try this:
1: listen
2: think
3: speak intelligently
you might keep on topic instead of causing petty arguments because of your own personallity flaws and failure to pay attention.

These points are absolutely correct. That said, this HAS been debated pretty thoroughly.
I and several others presented quite a bit of reasoned debate on this issue ... try back around pages 83 or so... through about 90 (??) I may be off a couple of pages.

Anyway, if you really wish to continue, then write our your points in logical fashion.

[Neoteny]

That's a great logo. What we really need though, is some kind of absence of logo that is instantly recognizable as being a logo no matter where it's not seen.
That last sentence gave me a headache...

I crack myself up...

[Neoteny]

Bump for great justice!

[Snorri1234]

Ah, I missed this thread.

[Juan_Bottom]

I love this thread. I love this thread.

[jonesthecurl]

I'm gonna go and sit in a greehouse until I'm big enough to be professional wrestler. They make good money.

[Juan_Bottom]

I'm gonna go and sit in a greehouse until I'm big enough to be professional wrestler. They make good money.

Witty, as always!

Suck it Packrat! You just got served!

[Neoteny]

We could probably print this thread and sell it as some sort of holy book.

[Juan_Bottom]

We could probably print this thread and sell it as some sort of holy book.

Women should always be naked. So it is written, so it shall be done. Or you'll go to hell or whatever.

[Neoteny]

We could probably print this thread and sell it as some sort of holy book.

Women should always be naked. So it is written, so it shall be done. Or you'll go to hell or whatever.

Had to throw that one in there?