Logic dictates that there is a God!

[Snorri1234]

First, no, it's not comparable. A human with scales would arguably be a whole different animal; that's evolution. More comparable would be if a certain population of people developed the ability to digest different things in response to their environment. I'm not at all sure that hasn't already happened, and frequently. They're still human and could reproduce with non-adapted people. The only impediment is that the dating process would be difficult because, being in very different parts of the world, they might never meet, and if they did they probably wouldn't want to go to the same restaurants.

Ability to digest lactose is often considered the most recent human adaptation - much of the world's population can't do it yet.

I guess I should've specified lactose. Still, drinking milk is something a lot of people can't do without suffering some pain without getting any substenance.

That's what i said. I believe that people from the Far East, and Native Americans, are amongst those that can't digest the stuff.

Yup. Also a great deal of africans can't do it either.

(Also, I was more commenting on the fact I said the same thing, but in 10 words or so, in the post above you.)

[jonesthecurl]

Fair enough, hadn't spotted that in the flurry of posts and counter-posts.

[Juan_Bottom]

That's what i said. I believe that people from the Far East, and Native Americans, are amongst those that can't digest the stuff.

And I can't digest Polish food.

Is it very stodgy and full of lard like Czech/Austrian/Hungarian?

I can't digest beetroot - not because of an inability or an allergy, but because you're never gonna get that crap in my mouth, let alone my stomach.

Also, I'm pretty sure that I have un-evolved the ability to eat bugs. I know my ancestors did it, but I don't think I can. I mean, if you want, we can try, just not on the new carpet.

[Snorri1234]

That's what i said. I believe that people from the Far East, and Native Americans, are amongst those that can't digest the stuff.

And I can't digest Polish food.

Is it very stodgy and full of lard like Czech/Austrian/Hungarian?

I can't digest beetroot - not because of an inability or an allergy, but because you're never gonna get that crap in my mouth, let alone my stomach.

Also, I'm pretty sure that I have un-evolved the ability to eat bugs. I know my ancestors did it, but I don't think I can. I mean, if you want, we can try, just not on the new carpet.

They're salty and full of protein!

[jonesthecurl]

That's what i said. I believe that people from the Far East, and Native Americans, are amongst those that can't digest the stuff.

And I can't digest Polish food.

Is it very stodgy and full of lard like Czech/Austrian/Hungarian?

I can't digest beetroot - not because of an inability or an allergy, but because you're never gonna get that crap in my mouth, let alone my stomach.

Also, I'm pretty sure that I have un-evolved the ability to eat bugs. I know my ancestors did it, but I don't think I can. I mean, if you want, we can try, just not on the new carpet.

Oh, I've eaten ants before. Just be sure you don't eat them too near to a house, else they might already be poisoned. The formic acid makes them taste a little bit like sherbert/lemonade powder.

[Juan_Bottom]

That's what she said.

[Gregrios]

So much for "waiting a bit".

Geeze, if you find that funny then there must not be any limit to what you consider humor.

Sez the world's champion overuser of smilies

A rare but true observation from none other than the Curl.

With that said. Hell must of just frozen over.

[Dancing Mustard]

a species adapting to do something it couldn't do before is NOT necessarily evolution, nor evidence for it, unless a new species is thereby created.

Not quite true on your part... but it's late and I don't feel like rolling up my sleeves and having a rant.

However, regardless of whether your definition is right or wrong, I can satisfy you of the fact that new species are popping up, e.g. Nylase.
As you no doubt know, Bacteria divide to form near identical copies of themselves, that's how they reproduce. However, as you also doubtless know we believe, sometimes these divisions don't go quite right and change occurs, leading to subtly genetically different bacteria that continue to make copies of themselves... e.g. they evolve into a slightly new species.

Nylase's existence is proof of evolution because it would have been physically impossible for Nylase to have existed 100 years ago. Why? Because Nylon hadn't been invented then, and it doesn't occur naturally. Were Nylase in existence at the dawn of time, then it would have swiftly become extinct. As such, Nylase must be a new species of bacteria that has come into being in the last century. In other words, it's living proof that new species are coming into being, and therefore that evolution is a sound theory.

The only way to really dismiss this is to argue that a mythical being decided to suddenly invent a new type of bacteria and dump it in a lake in Japan one day... but that'd be a fairly irrational approach to take, and one I hope you aren't going to entertain.

Sure, we weren't around to witness the birth of the first Nylase, and granted bacteria are very simple lifeforms; but the fact that Nylase exists is proof that the process is occurring. The process of evolution might be mind-bogglingly slow (and I think that is why most people don't accept it, because the concept of such tiny incremental change is fairly hard to get one's head around), but it's happening right in front of our eyes; lactose digestion, pepperwing moths, humble Nylase, all fine examples of the force that shapes lifeforms on our planet.

[Snorri1234]

YOU'RE WRONG DM! A BACTERIA ADAPTING TO IT'S SURROUNDINGS IS NOT EVOLUTION BECAUSE EVOLUTION MEANS NEW SPECIES AND CONVENIENTLY WE ONLY TALK ABOUT FISH TURNING INTO BIRDS AS CHANGING OF SPECIES BECAUSE OUR BOOK SAYS IT IS WRONGZORS!

Shit, if we're talking about new species forming, let's just take fruitflies. A bunch of expiriments have been done and they actually found that after some time two isolated communities couldn't reproduce with eachother even though they started from the same type.

[ignotus]

Wow I wasn't active on this forum for three months. I came back and what did I see?

"Logic dictates that there is a God!" is still number one topic on the list... This is truly a miracle!

[Snorri1234]

Wow I wasn't active on this forum for three months. I came back and what did I see?

"Logic dictates that there is a God!" is still number one topic on the list... This is truly a miracle!

Divine intervention.

[rocky mountain]

Wow I wasn't active on this forum for three months. I came back and what did I see?

"Logic dictates that there is a God!" is still number one topic on the list... This is truly a miracle!

its quite a touchy subject for both sides... people like to prove others wrong

[johnnyrotten]

Wow I wasn't active on this forum for three months. I came back and what did I see?

"Logic dictates that there is a God!" is still number one topic on the list... This is truly a miracle!

Divine intervention.

Nah, just fucking retards who believe in a supernatural being keeping it here. ¬_¬

[FabledIntegral]

Uhh... evolution does not say that one species evolves into a completely separate species. Evolution itself is a fact in the scientific community, as it's been shown that things do evolve... that part isn't refutable.

The inferences and other theories people base OFF of evolution is what is controversial. No one really debates - except for the very hardcore religious nuts that believe science itself is wrong - that evolution is real. What people debate is whether species evolve into other species (which is where most religious people argue doesn't happen) and the origin of life (which is also a theory by the scientific community with regards to the facts they have about evolution).

There is a huge difference between evolution itself and the "Theory of Evolution." Religious fanatics get the two confused wayyy too much. Evolution itself is simply "change in the gene pool of a population from generation to generation by such processes as mutation, natural selection, and genetic drift."

So the simple fact that you are not an identical clone of your parents shows that, according to the scientific community, you have evolved from your parents .


Although I've seen a few arguments saying that a majority of people think that logic, observations, etc. should be ruled over religion... the Christians + Islamics (who constitute the two largest religions in the world) make around 60% of the overall population in the world. Throw in the Hindus and you've got an overwhelming majority. Then there's the Jews, the diverse Asian religions, etc. Overall, atheists are predicted to only make up 10-15% of the world's population. Either way, I highly agree with the fact that intelligent design/creationism should not be throughly discussed in schools. Schools are here to teach the youth about the world around us, it's up to the parents to teach the children about what they believe is the supernatural and what they believe is incorrect about the scientific community (because they obviously know more than those who are experts about the subject^^).

[jay_a2j]

Wow I wasn't active on this forum for three months. I came back and what did I see?

"Logic dictates that there is a God!" is still number one topic on the list... This is truly a miracle!

Proof that, ya can't keep a good thread down!

[hawkeye]

Wow I wasn't active on this forum for three months. I came back and what did I see?

"Logic dictates that there is a God!" is still number one topic on the list... This is truly a miracle!

Proof that, ya can't keep a good thread down!

More like proof that some people have nothing better to do than waste their time e-yelling at people for having a different opinion that them.

[jay_a2j]

A video that every evolutionist should see.....Peanutbutter says evolution does not occur

[ParadiceCity9]

A video that every evolutionist should see.....Peanutbutter says evolution does not occur

Jay there's a reason all those 'atheists' nightmare' videos have 2 stars. Because very few people agree with you. This isn't a case like discovering the existence of the 11th dimension, where the few who held strong turned out to be right. Face it Jay. There's no God, there never will be a God, evolution is true. That's final.

[ParadiceCity9]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4yBvvGi ... re=related

LMFAO

[ParadiceCity9]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23pzaVFb ... re=related

[Gregrios]

Right when I was starting to run low, you come along and fuel the fire. Thanks PC.

[ParadiceCity9]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXdQRvSd ... re=related

How do you respond to that, gregrios and jay?

[Gregrios]

Sorry PC. That's entirely my fault.

I must of somehow gave you the impression that I give a shit.

[ParadiceCity9]

Lol so you have no response? No comment?

[FabledIntegral]

A video that every evolutionist should see.....Peanutbutter says evolution does not occur

That's actually a famous video... it's considered one of the most mocked videos by the entire scientific community AS WELL AS by many religious people. Most people are smart enough to realize that it's a complete logical fallacy... in fact I wrote a small essay on this video, as a prime example of a logical fallacy, which was what I was discussing.

You can't be serious... right? Like... I dunno, I just got out of my Creationism class last quarter, and it was the biggest joke in the class on both sides (religious vs nonreligious). 100% of the class agreed it was comical, and many believed that it was a joke because there's no way anyone could be that stupid .