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A revised foe list for ppl who join games with foes in them

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Do you agree to a foe being removed from your foe list automatically if you remain in his/her game

Yes,as long as I get an alert that I have entered a foes game.
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No,I want to play with my foe and keep him out of my games.
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Yes.
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No.
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Don't know.
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None of the above,ban me from joining a game with my foe.
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Re: A revised foe list for ppl who join games with foes in them

Postby KLOBBER on Mon Jun 30, 2008 9:04 am

I understand now. Since you can't tell which specific members have you on their foes lists right now, unless you attempt to enter games with them, you feel it's unfair, as those members who have you on their foes lists could theoretically enter your games if you don't also foes list them first. This is not an issue for me personally (nor is it for the vast majority of CC members), but I think I at least understand your problem now.

Why not just place those members on your own foes list as soon as you find out?

Or, why not lobby for a notifier as to which members have you on their foes lists?

Is this a big problem for you? I mean, how often do you find out that you can't enter a game because yet more members have you on their lists? If it is such a common occurrence, then the problem is most likely your own attitude. If not, then why do you even care?

What are the numbers we're talking, here? There are a whole lot of members on the site whose games you should be able to enter, unless like 80% or more of them have you foes listed. Is the percentage really that high?

Now that I fully understand your problem, it's quite obvious that it can only possibly matter to a tiny, miniscule percentage of CC members, as most members here couldn't care less about the members who they don't yet know have them foes listed, and as soon as they find out, they either still don't care, or just foes list them back and move on in a split second, like shooing a gnat off their shoulder. The vast majority of CC members aren't overly attached to this particular problem you have, as they are too busy playing the game and having fun.

In my opinion, any individual who doesn't simply let it go and move on when he finds that another member has foe listed him makes himself seem like a bit of an internet stalker.
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Re: A revised foe list for ppl who join games with foes in them

Postby trapyoung on Mon Jun 30, 2008 9:13 am

there are 6 separate individuals i have played with, had no adverse interactions with and found myself foed after having them recently join a game with me. i've also had around 5 - 10 people i've never played foe me for no apparent reason, usually it takes a pm to clear it up and usually the reason is something as lame as 'well maybe you beat me and i didnt want to play you for a while', problem is they usually forget who has been foed and leave me on there and then can dictate when they play me. i don't play games with the same people always nor do the people i play and i sometimes prefer playing w/ certain people on my team against other people, for fair points, for excellent play, etc. if these people were blocked from joining games w/ me maybe that would refresh their memory and question why they placed me on their foe list in the first place.

i think it's a fair policy, and with the attach note function now if they truly did mean to foe me and never remove me all they would have to do is leave a warning 'do not remove' but as is i have to do all the detective work myself if i find myself foed. it's usually not even because i want to join the game, it just pisses me off that people pre-emptively or inappropriately foe me and still have the option to play me because i'm unaware of it because for me, if you don't feel letting me join your games, i want to revoke your option to join my game because it provides a slight advantage for dictating circumstances.
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Re: A revised foe list for ppl who join games with foes in them

Postby trapyoung on Mon Jun 30, 2008 9:25 am

hahahha, klobber you're ridiculous, as we speak you foe me? hahaha, you clown.
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Re: A revised foe list for ppl who join games with foes in them

Postby KLOBBER on Mon Jun 30, 2008 9:26 am

If it's something you're not even aware of, as you state above, then why does it piss you off so much?

I do not care if I find out some irrelevant individual has me on his ignore list, and I care even less about the ones I don't know about!

It's obvious that the real problem here is not the foes list itself. I suggest that the real problem here is your own strange tendency to become overly attached, in a negative way, to the people who YOU DON'T KNOW have you on their foes lists. Your problem is so bizarre and rare that it sounds funny to even express it in words! I mean, seriously, such members should be the last thing on your mind! How many of them could there possibly be? Didn't you say 5 or 6? Jeez!

Just let it go; you'll feel much better.
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Re: A revised foe list for ppl who join games with foes in them

Postby trapyoung on Mon Jun 30, 2008 9:30 am

it bothers me when it's individuals who are supposedly the "higher" tier of CC and play games that are supposed to illustrate skill etc, trust me, not participating in your 8 man escalating 'welcome to CC new recruits' games won't bother me. why are you such an advocate of the current system? point protect much?
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Re: A revised foe list for ppl who join games with foes in them

Postby KLOBBER on Mon Jun 30, 2008 9:32 am

trapyoung wrote:...as we speak you foe me?....


Dude, seriously, why do you care?

I'm beginning to understand that tons of members must have you in their foes lists. If not, it is really quite insane for you to care so much. This negative over-attachment you harbor for people who have no concern for you at all is a common characteristic of internet stalkers, and nobody likes an internet stalker.

I have a mild amount of pity for individuals of your category, but no mucho.

I'm finished here -- moving on!

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Re: A revised foe list for ppl who join games with foes in them

Postby trapyoung on Mon Jun 30, 2008 9:35 am

my low rank, we're the same rank [modedit]KLOBBER[/modeit]. why do you think that only 1 other person has shared your viewpoint on this thread? how does having the inability to join games w/ people you've foed negatively effect you? hey, i'm an alcoholic so let's go to the bars.. seems like an irresponsible attitude and the type of thing the foe list currently advocates.

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Re: A revised foe list for ppl who join games with foes in them

Postby jiminski on Mon Jun 30, 2008 9:43 am

trapyoung wrote:hahahha, klobber you're ridiculous, as we speak you foe me? hahaha, you clown.


heheh, typical behaviour.

But i have to say i don't need to know who has Foe'd me; as soon as i discover someone has Foe'd me i no longer wish to play them anyway... knowing it sooner rather than later is not important to me.

Personally, I do know Klobby has me on his Foe list also, it is his prerogative to use it to protect his points.
But we do not play the same games and we do not like the cut of our respective jibs, so this really is no problem.
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Re: A revised foe list for ppl who join games with foes in them

Postby HannibalSmith on Mon Jun 30, 2008 10:24 am

There should possibly be a "foe" list and a "no-play" list.

99% of the people on my ignore list are not foes, they are simply people you've played a million games with or someone that you need to take a short break from who signs up for every game with you.

I've only played games with about 3-5 people that I would never want to see again.

I don't dislike people, but I'm also not going to have 20 active games all with the same player. So sometimes you put someone on "foe" to chill them out, but it doesn't necessarily mean you don't like that person, or that you never want to play with them in the future.

In one case, Benjkatisdead and I were in a Waterloo tourney and if you know who he is, he is a fantastic player. I had a bunch of practice 1-0n-1's set up to sharpen my game and we after we played a split, I put him on "foe" so he wouldn't feel out my style anymore in case we played each other in the tourney as it got underway. No more scouting! Well, Benji is certainly no foe and I took him off soon as he was eliminated from the tourney. But it wasn't cuz I don't like him! It was a temporary situation and had nothing to do with not wanting to play him or not wanting to get beat by him ever again.

The "no-play" list could auto-remove players after a week, for instance, while the "foe" list can be permanent as players will need to be removed manually.

However, if you join a game with someone on your foe (or 'no play') list, then they should automatically be removed from your foe list for at least a 24-hr period. (Easier to say than to write the code for).

Anyways, a 'no-play' list separate from a "foe" list could help calm things down as people on this site seem to take it way too personally when you put them on "foe."
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Re: A revised foe list for ppl who join games with foes in them

Postby jiminski on Mon Jun 30, 2008 10:30 am

HannibalSmith wrote:There should possibly be a "foe" list and a "no-play" list.

99% of the people on my ignore list are not foes, they are simply people you've played a million games with or someone that you need to take a short break from who signs up for every game with you.

I've only played games with about 3-5 people that I would never want to see again.

I don't dislike people, but I'm also not going to have 20 active games all with the same player. So sometimes you put someone on "foe" to chill them out, but it doesn't necessarily mean you don't like that person, or that you never want to play with them in the future.

In one case, Benjkatisdead and I were in a Waterloo tourney and if you know who he is, he is a fantastic player. I had a bunch of practice 1-0n-1's set up to sharpen my game and we after we played a split, I put him on "foe" so he wouldn't feel out my style anymore in case we played each other in the tourney as it got underway. No more scouting! Well, Benji is certainly no foe and I took him off soon as he was eliminated from the tourney. But it wasn't cuz I don't like him! It was a temporary situation and had nothing to do with not wanting to play him or not wanting to get beat by him ever again.

The "no-play" list could auto-remove players after a week, for instance, while the "foe" list can be permanent as players will need to be removed manually.

However, if you join a game with someone on your foe (or 'no play') list, then they should automatically be removed from your foe list for at least a 24-hr period. (Easier to say than to write the code for).

Anyways, a 'no-play' list separate from a "foe" list could help calm things down as people on this site seem to take it way too personally when you put them on "foe."


for me it would make no difference; if you don't want to play me for any reason i will not play you. It really is that simple..
As i say, this is not a massive thing for me and once i reciprocate using my foe list it is dealt with. However, strategic use of the Foe list is at least as bad as using it because you do not like me.

Anyway, i still don't need immediate knowledge of my inclusion on anothers list..
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Re: A revised foe list for ppl who join games with foes in them

Postby HannibalSmith on Mon Jun 30, 2008 11:39 am

jiminski wrote: However, strategic use of the Foe list is at least as bad as using it because you do not like me.

Anyway, i still don't need immediate knowledge of my inclusion on anothers list..



And that's where people differ. Those are the two basic reasons that make it useful. "Strategic" and "Don't Like."

"Don't like" is the biggest one. Some people are simply abusive in chat to other players. Being able to ignore someone for being a jerk is universal right that I think the majority of CC would be in favor of.

"Strategic" foes being bad I see your point. Some people do obviously abuse the foe list to permanently ban anyone that beats them or is ranked higher than them. That stinks and I agree with you there.

However, here are two big strategic reasons to put someone on foe:

*Someone that calls out people's strength and numbers in Fog of War games
*People that make truces/alliances

But I do understand if you don't like those two reasons as well as I realize that it is a personal choice for each player to decide.

Anyways, are we in agreement that someone on your foe list must come off (if at least temporary) if you join a game with them? I couldn't determine your response on that one, but I haven't read every single post. Just your last one.
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Re: A revised foe list for ppl who join games with foes in them

Postby jiminski on Mon Jun 30, 2008 11:59 am

Simple answer is that i would not join a game with someone on my foe list... why would i?

But i suppose i could do it by mistake, so no, i do not think joining a game with a foe should remove players from Foe lists as a default.

Also, due to the Foe list being a tool to block peoples posts, some may not have a problem with playing someone, just with reading their words... XtraTabasco for example was a fairly good player who wrote pages of crap in the forums. Although i did not seek him out as an opponent i have played him in the past.


I do not have a mass of people on my list and agree with you regarding Alliances in the main, what i am referring to as use of Foe list for Strategic purpose not for incorrect strategy in a game. i.e. placing people there purely to save points... cynical and you find my foe list for that one.
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Re: A revised foe list for ppl who join games with foes in them

Postby PLAYER57832 on Mon Jun 30, 2008 12:02 pm

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PLAYER57832 wrote:I am not going to play someone who spews out filth, who is an extremely bad sport ... etc. If I were forced to do so, I would leave the site. I come here for fun and entertainment, not to put up with complete jerks.


I (or the OP) aren't trying to force you to play anyone. But we do think that you shouldn't be allowed to choose whether you will join someones game if you don't allow him the same choice. You might already do it that way but it's quite clear (from this and other threads) that some do use it in that way.

I definitely don't use it that way. And, I partially misread your comment to mean that you thought foe lists should not be allowed.

But, if you are trying to force people to let you play in their games, this change won't do that. All they have to do is immediately put you back on.

Also, right now, I suspect that some of these cases are by accident. I thought there already was notification if you joined a game with a foe in it already, but there is not.

I don't have many foes, but they are also not names I keep in my mind all the time. So, if I joined a game with a foe, it would be by accident. Once the notification is in place, THEN I can see where you might have more of an argument. It IS in the pending list, so it will happen in time.
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PLAYER57832 wrote:There are several THOUSAND people active in CC. If you are on enough ignore lists that you are feeling limited in your play ... well, you might want to take some lessons from Miss Manners.


Don't see the relevance of that statement. Especially as I'm not (as far as I know) on anyones foe-list. I'm arguing this on principal reason.

A lot of the complaints are running along the lines of "I can't play enough games because I am on some people's foe lists". This was not directed specifically at you, just the idea in general.

I DO think that a lot of folks should spend more time worrying about their own decorum and less about what others do. But, that's true for life in general. And, no I don't know that you are an example ... but again, that comment was not directed at one person specifically, except that I thought you were arguing against the idea of foe lists in general.
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Re: A revised foe list for ppl who join games with foes in them

Postby dividedbyzero on Mon Jun 30, 2008 12:41 pm

HannibalSmith wrote:Anyways, are we in agreement that someone on your foe list must come off (if at least temporary) if you join a game with them? I couldn't determine your response on that one, but I haven't read every single post. Just your last one.


I'd rather it stop me from entering the game - or at least telling me. I don't have a huge foe list (maybe 20 or 30), but they all fall in these categories: (a) deadbeat, (b) cheater/multi, (c) abusive or so wacky I don't need to spend my leisure time dealing with them. I have yet to figure out why people get so wound up about the foe list. For the most part, with the exception of a few that use it when they lose, if you make it on to someone's foe list, chances are that you've earned that place rightfully.

I've accidentally entered a game with someone on my ignore/foe list...and really wished I hadn't because they missed 3 or 4 turns that game, too...which is exactly why I had ignored him the first place.

I wouldn't want it to automatically take anyone off my list. It would be okay if it gave me the option - but again, what's to stop someone from just adding them right back once they join ?

And why is this a big deal again ? Is it a big problem ? (I'm truly curious...not being a smartass.)
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Re: A revised foe list for ppl who join games with foes in them

Postby Thezzaruz on Mon Jun 30, 2008 3:17 pm

PLAYER57832 wrote:And, I partially misread your comment to mean that you thought foe lists should not be allowed.


Not at all... :mrgreen:

The idea of a foe-list is a good one, I just think that it works partly in the wrong way and that makes it open to abuse and/or gaining an advantage that isn't needed.
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Re: A revised foe list for ppl who join games with foes in them

Postby KoE_Sirius on Wed Jul 02, 2008 12:14 pm

dividedbyzero wrote:
HannibalSmith wrote:Anyways, are we in agreement that someone on your foe list must come off (if at least temporary) if you join a game with them? I couldn't determine your response on that one, but I haven't read every single post. Just your last one.


I'd rather it stop me from entering the game - or at least telling me. I don't have a huge foe list (maybe 20 or 30), but they all fall in these categories: (a) deadbeat, (b) cheater/multi, (c) abusive or so wacky I don't need to spend my leisure time dealing with them. I have yet to figure out why people get so wound up about the foe list. For the most part, with the exception of a few that use it when they lose, if you make it on to someone's foe list, chances are that you've earned that place rightfully.

I've accidentally entered a game with someone on my ignore/foe list...and really wished I hadn't because they missed 3 or 4 turns that game, too...which is exactly why I had ignored him the first place.

I wouldn't want it to automatically take anyone off my list. It would be okay if it gave me the option - but again, what's to stop someone from just adding them right back once they join ?

And why is this a big deal again ? Is it a big problem ? (I'm truly curious...not being a smartass.)

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Re: A revised foe list for ppl who join games with foes in them

Postby jiminski on Wed Jul 02, 2008 1:19 pm

KoE_Sirius wrote:
dividedbyzero wrote:
HannibalSmith wrote:Anyways, are we in agreement that someone on your foe list must come off (if at least temporary) if you join a game with them? I couldn't determine your response on that one, but I haven't read every single post. Just your last one.


I'd rather it stop me from entering the game - or at least telling me. I don't have a huge foe list (maybe 20 or 30), but they all fall in these categories: (a) deadbeat, (b) cheater/multi, (c) abusive or so wacky I don't need to spend my leisure time dealing with them. I have yet to figure out why people get so wound up about the foe list. For the most part, with the exception of a few that use it when they lose, if you make it on to someone's foe list, chances are that you've earned that place rightfully.

I've accidentally entered a game with someone on my ignore/foe list...and really wished I hadn't because they missed 3 or 4 turns that game, too...which is exactly why I had ignored him the first place.

I wouldn't want it to automatically take anyone off my list. It would be okay if it gave me the option - but again, what's to stop someone from just adding them right back once they join ?

And why is this a big deal again ? Is it a big problem ? (I'm truly curious...not being a smartass.)

Every question you have asked I have already answered.Why don't you read the previous pages,before you voice.Then you can give an informed opinion.Thanks for listening.Not being a smart ass or anything. :)



Update the front page Serius; very few will read all of the thread (i speak as one who does not agree with the idea but who thinks it should get a fair crack of the whip)
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Re: A revised foe list for ppl who join games with foes in them

Postby PLAYER57832 on Wed Jul 02, 2008 1:49 pm

jiminski wrote:Simple answer is that i would not join a game with someone on my foe list... why would i?

I agree, but there are three exceptions.

1. By accident -- this won't happen as soon as the pending "notification on attempting to join game with foe" happens.

2. In a tournament -- there should be a one-click exception to this that does not change the overall foe list (otherwise we have to remember who we put on until the tourney or pertinent game is over and then put them back) -- either the tournament organizer should be given override priviliages for their tourny games (only) or a massive, if you join a tournament foes will not be honored (foe lists automatically nullified in tournaments)

3. If I have foed someone because I don't want to read their posts. The fix here is to make a forum ignore list and seperate game ignore list.

Bottom line-- NONE of these issues are solved by the above suggestion. And, more problems are created.

I could see if, instead of having someone's name removed from the foe list automatically if they join a game with a foe, making it so that you CANNOT join the games of anybody you have foed, EXCEPT in tournaments (this would be an automatic program override -- if the game type is "tournament" foe lists will not be honored -- and everyone should know this in advance).

That seems more in line that requiring that a name be removed. I WOULD support that change.
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Re: A revised foe list for ppl who join games with foes in them

Postby trapyoung on Wed Jul 02, 2008 1:55 pm

the first problem you listed is solved w/ sirius's suggestion
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Re: A revised foe list for ppl who join games with foes in them

Postby PLAYER57832 on Wed Jul 02, 2008 2:00 pm

trapyoung wrote:the first problem you listed is solved w/ sirius's suggestion

No, you misunderstand, I don't want to join games with foes -- whether I have them in my list or they have me in theirs, excpet possibly for forum reasons.

However, it is on Lack's "to do" list.
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Re: A revised foe list for ppl who join games with foes in them

Postby trapyoung on Wed Jul 02, 2008 2:19 pm

i know you don't want to join games w/ foes, nor do i - nor do i want people who have foed me to have the option to join games with me. sirius's suggestion solves this.
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Re: A revised foe list for ppl who join games with foes in them

Postby PLAYER57832 on Wed Jul 02, 2008 2:22 pm

trapyoung wrote:i know you don't want to join games w/ foes, nor do i - nor do i want people who have foed me to have the option to join games with me. sirius's suggestion solves this.

No, his suggestion is that if they try to join your game, your name is removed from their foe list.

I am saying if they have you on their foe list, they should not be able to join your game. It is similar, in that if they want to play, they will take your name off their list, but not the same at all.
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Re: A revised foe list for ppl who join games with foes in them

Postby Thezzaruz on Thu Jul 03, 2008 5:59 am

PLAYER57832 wrote:I could see if, instead of having someone's name removed from the foe list automatically if they join a game with a foe, making it so that you CANNOT join the games of anybody you have foed, EXCEPT in tournaments (this would be an automatic program override -- if the game type is "tournament" foe lists will not be honored -- and everyone should know this in advance).

That seems more in line that requiring that a name be removed. I WOULD support that change.


I agree, this would be a better change. Only problem is that most of those opposing the OPs idea has been opposed to this too (both in this and other threads). :mrgreen:

And yea, tournament and battle royal games should override any foe-list ofc.
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Re: A revised foe list for ppl who join games with foes in them

Postby Soloman on Thu Jul 03, 2008 8:13 am

Thezzaruz wrote:
PLAYER57832 wrote:I could see if, instead of having someone's name removed from the foe list automatically if they join a game with a foe, making it so that you CANNOT join the games of anybody you have foed, EXCEPT in tournaments (this would be an automatic program override -- if the game type is "tournament" foe lists will not be honored -- and everyone should know this in advance).

That seems more in line that requiring that a name be removed. I WOULD support that change.


I agree, this would be a better change. Only problem is that most of those opposing the OPs idea has been opposed to this too (both in this and other threads). :mrgreen:

And yea, tournament and battle royal games should override any foe-list ofc.
There will always be some dissent but this is a far better Idea the foe list should be used equally and if you do not want to play a person enough to foe them then you should not be able to join or have them join your games...
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Re: A revised foe list for ppl who join games with foes in them

Postby KoE_Sirius on Thu Jul 03, 2008 1:29 pm

Soloman wrote:
Thezzaruz wrote:
PLAYER57832 wrote:I could see if, instead of having someone's name removed from the foe list automatically if they join a game with a foe, making it so that you CANNOT join the games of anybody you have foed, EXCEPT in tournaments (this would be an automatic program override -- if the game type is "tournament" foe lists will not be honored -- and everyone should know this in advance).

That seems more in line that requiring that a name be removed. I WOULD support that change.


I agree, this would be a better change. Only problem is that most of those opposing the OPs idea has been opposed to this too (both in this and other threads). :mrgreen:

And yea, tournament and battle royal games should override any foe-list ofc.
There will always be some dissent but this is a far better Idea the foe list should be used equally and if you do not want to play a person enough to foe them then you should not be able to join or have them join your games...

This won't help to revive the speed/freestyle game though.It really is a stuggle to get a game started in the evening.Its rife with players who think the ignore list is some kind of revenge.As far as I am aware I personally am on 3 ppls lists.One of these players has a Foe list longer then WAR and PEACE and would not even notice if he joined a foes game and one of the foe was removed.
Lets try and stay on subject guys..I'm not interested in your idea in my thread..Make your own thread and I'll view it with an open mind.
Thx :)
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