Is God really Just?

[jay_a2j]

Juan, define "win".

Christians end up only being able to use the Bible as their argument, and before you know it it's just a bunch of Atheist/Agnostics arguing dark matter. Kinda like here where your whole argument revolves around the Bible.

How do we know that the Bible is true? Test it. There are countless predictions in the Bible that have already come to pass.

Name them. And none of the predictions that had to be interpretted. None of the vauge political ones, and none of those that came true during the Bible's inception please. I grew up debating this, dude, so I am already ready for what I think that you will say.

Many more are starting to take place right now.

The same!, Interpretted ones? Give me a thousand years and I bet that any prediction that I want to make would come true too.
If God were God he could just say; Dr. Pepper will be a great tasting Cola, in a thousand years. But no, he has to be vauge and mysterious. A God has no reason to hide.

I wouldn't be in here saying this stuff. Nothing divine has been witnessed since Jesus? Surely you jest.

Sorry, I forgot that sulfer rained down on Quincy, Illinois last Tuesday. Sodomizers!
No presence of Angels, Demons, anything has been witnessed. And I always have a camera ready.
The only evidence Christians have is only accepted by Christians.

Gods power has been seen all over the world. God reveals himself to people all the time, as I am one.

Then God isn't just, and therefore isn't a Christian God. He has no reason to hide, if he is a god. Why, Oh Why, would he only reveal himself to super-Christians? And why never en masse? It's just an easy answer.

Which is why when faced with the choice, deny Christ or die, I would choose death.

Please tell me that at least at some point in your life you questioned Christianity? The Bible says that a good Christian will question their faith. Surely then you still feel some of these same doubts that you presumably had before.

This isn't like believing in Big Foot, you can really know your creator.

Bigfoot is more credible than God. I have never seen a tape of an Angel making it onto the 6 O'Clock news. Never seen a tape of a demon jumping out of a Ouija board either. Over time Jay, faith in your God is disappearing, and it's not because of the End Times.

But it requires faith.

Because in the end, there is nothing else to support the Bible. You might as well have faith in The Iliad.

Juan, we might need a whole new thread for this. You are looking for a prediction such as, "Truly I say unto you McDonalds will sell over a billion hamburgers worldwide. They will sell McNuggets and kids will love their Happymeals." And it's not going to happen. So, I'm not so sure going through any Biblical predictions will sway your stance against God.

I really can't relate to you self proclaimed atheists. I have never been so adamantly against God, seeking Him to pop out of a cloud and say "Boo! I'm here, serve me!" or I would refuse to believe that he exists.

As far as the demons thing. I have never seen one with my eyes, but I have felt their presence on a few occasions. And you won't take my word for it, but believe me, the feeling was indescribable in human words. I have also felt the power of God pour over my body, again it can't be described and will be dismissed by you.

Yes I have questioned my faith and I know where those thoughts came from. Seems you had a similar experience reading Iilad. Satan plants those thoughts, he doesn't want you to serve God. I have also read the Bible and a thought would enter my mind, questioning God. And the next moment the answer to that question popped into my mind.


RM, your response was well put. I just have to disagree on one point. These things will happen in our lifetime. And I venture to say within the next 10 years. The Bible says, "The generation that sees the Jews gather back to the land of Israel will be the generation that sees ALL these things come to pass." Israel was established in 1948, after WWII. Jews flocked back to Israel. A generation being 70 years, brings the fulfillment of the end times to 2018.

[heavycola]

But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God - having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with them.

in bold are things pretty much true today. as it gets worse the end times will get nearer. i think it will be in maybe a century? we have no way of knowing for sure though... it is a prophecy coming true...

here's another quote...

We are in a decaying age. Young people no longer respect their parents. They are rude and impatient. They inhabit taverns and have no self-control.

...which was found on a 6,000 year old Egyptian tomb. People were moaning about society's collapse a long time before the bible was written.

Another:

Our earth is degenerate in these latter days. There are signs that the world is speedily coming to an end. Bribery and corruption are common.

...from an Assyrian clay tablet c. 2800 BCE.

here's a good link to scholarship examining the apocalypse/second coming cults that sprang up around 1000 CE.

None of this is anything new. it wasn't new when the bible was written either, and it will no doubt still be around 6,000 years from now.

[Snorri1234]

But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God - having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with them.

in bold are things pretty much true today. as it gets worse the end times will get nearer. i think it will be in maybe a century? we have no way of knowing for sure though... it is a prophecy coming true...

here's another quote...

We are in a decaying age. Young people no longer respect their parents. They are rude and impatient. They inhabit taverns and have no self-control.

...which was found on a 6,000 year old Egyptian tomb. People were moaning about society's collapse a long time before the bible was written.

Another:

Our earth is degenerate in these latter days. There are signs that the world is speedily coming to an end. Bribery and corruption are common.

...from an Assyrian clay tablet c. 2800 BCE.

here's a good link to scholarship examining the apocalypse/second coming cults that sprang up around 1000 CE.

None of this is anything new. it wasn't new when the bible was written either, and it will no doubt still be around 6,000 years from now.

OH HOLY CRAP! People acting like people! WE MUST STOP THIS! A SIGN OF THE END-TIMES!

[jay_a2j]

rocky mountain, I think this is the part where we are to "knock the dust from our shoes" and stop debating these people. They don't want to hear the Good News. And I think we are wasting our time here.


Even during the tribulation they will hide from God and not turn to Him as destruction envelops the Earth.

[suggs]

God plays hide and seek?
Cool!
Sign me up, bagsy he hides first.

[FabledIntegral]

Oh Satan implanted those thoughts? Good thing God created him and allows him to exist, so that he might confuse us from loving God. I'm glad God allowed for him to be here, because if there isn't enough fault in humans naturally, God had to throw in something else. Awesome.

[Juan_Bottom]

rocky mountain, I think this is the part where we are to "knock the dust from our shoes" and stop debating these people. They don't want to hear the Good News. And I think we are wasting our time here.

I am not trying to sound arrogant, so I hope that you don't shy away from me. I believe that I have been very cordial.

But no, no good news until I trust the sources. It's the same reason I don't watch Fox or CNN.

Juan, we might need a whole new thread for this. You are looking for a prediction such as, "Truly I say unto you McDonalds will sell over a billion hamburgers worldwide. They will sell McNuggets and kids will love their Happymeals." And it's not going to happen.

That's just another part of the easy answers I mentioned before. They don't make any sense. Why can't it happen, really?

I really can't relate to you self proclaimed atheists. I have never been so adamantly against God, seeking Him to pop out of a cloud and say "Boo! I'm here, serve me!" or I would refuse to believe that he exists.

I only want to say this once, but I am saying it about myself not absolutly about the others. I am not against God; God isn't real. I literally and truly think believing in one is silly. That's what I think Jay & RockyMountain, that you are silly.
It's not God jumping out from behind a cloud that we all need. Just some actual proof of anykind. And no, the Bible won't count.
And you know Jay, I was once a Lutheran myself , but I can't really relate to Christians anymore either. Weird huh?

As far as the demons thing. I have never seen one with my eyes, but I have felt their presence on a few occasions. And you won't take my word for it, but believe me, the feeling was indescribable in human words. I have also felt the power of God pour over my body, again it can't be described and will be dismissed by you.

Good call, it will be.

Yes I have questioned my faith and I know where those thoughts came from. Seems you had a similar experience reading Iilad. Satan plants those thoughts, he doesn't want you to serve God. I have also read the Bible and a thought would enter my mind, questioning God. And the next moment the answer to that question popped into my mind.

Would you like us to politely give you the right questions? And I feel that you are looking at this way differently than I did. I didn't see it as questioning God(that's scary for a Christian). I was questioning my faith in people.
Don't ask a question with tunnel vision, keep an open mind as best you can. Just imagine for fun that any answer is the right one.
As far as the passage, RockyMountan, I would refer you to Packrat. He was explaining it to me; We often debate this stuff. if you PM him I'm sure that he'll give it to you(sorry, I didn't mean to ignore you before, I missed it).

RM, your response was well put. I just have to disagree on one point.

Me too. That his response was well put, lol.--->not being mean.

[jay_a2j]

rocky mountain, I think this is the part where we are to "knock the dust from our shoes" and stop debating these people. They don't want to hear the Good News. And I think we are wasting our time here.

I am not trying to sound arrogant, so I hope that you don't shy away from me. I believe that I have been very cordial.

But no, no good news until I trust the sources. It's the same reason I don't watch Fox or CNN.

Juan, we might need a whole new thread for this. You are looking for a prediction such as, "Truly I say unto you McDonalds will sell over a billion hamburgers worldwide. They will sell McNuggets and kids will love their Happymeals." And it's not going to happen.

That's just another part of the easy answers I mentioned before. They don't make any sense. Why can't it happen, really?

I really can't relate to you self proclaimed atheists. I have never been so adamantly against God, seeking Him to pop out of a cloud and say "Boo! I'm here, serve me!" or I would refuse to believe that he exists.

I only want to say this once, but I am saying it about myself not absolutly about the others. I am not against God; God isn't real. I literally and truly think believing in one is silly. That's what I think Jay & RockyMountain, that you are silly.
It's not God jumping out from behind a cloud that we all need. Just some actual proof of anykind. And no, the Bible won't count.
And you know Jay, I was once a Lutheran myself , but I can't really relate to Christians anymore either. Weird huh?

As far as the demons thing. I have never seen one with my eyes, but I have felt their presence on a few occasions. And you won't take my word for it, but believe me, the feeling was indescribable in human words. I have also felt the power of God pour over my body, again it can't be described and will be dismissed by you.

Good call, it will be.

Yes I have questioned my faith and I know where those thoughts came from. Seems you had a similar experience reading Iilad. Satan plants those thoughts, he doesn't want you to serve God. I have also read the Bible and a thought would enter my mind, questioning God. And the next moment the answer to that question popped into my mind.

Would you like us to politely give you the right questions? And I feel that you are looking at this way differently than I did. I didn't see it as questioning God(that's scary for a Christian). I was questioning my faith in people.
Don't ask a question with tunnel vision, keep an open mind as best you can. Just imagine for fun that any answer is the right one.
As far as the passage, RockyMountan, I would refer you to Packrat. He was explaining it to me; We often debate this stuff. if you PM him I'm sure that he'll give it to you(sorry, I didn't mean to ignore you before, I missed it).

RM, your response was well put. I just have to disagree on one point.

Me too. That his response was well put, lol.--->not being mean.

"the Bible won't count"...THAT is very telling. You apparently have closed off the possibility that the Bible is what it says it is, the Word of God. And why? Because you say so. I challenge you to find error in scripture that you can base your reasoning for "the Bible not counting". Save yourself some time, don't bother. Many throughout history have tried and failed at "debunking" the Bible. It can't be done. But as you say, "it doesn't count".

" I was questioning my faith in people." that may have been your problem. You need faith in Christ not people.

And thanks, but I'd much rather have my answers come from the Holy Spirit than a group of self-proclaimed atheists.


I think we are finished here. God bless

[Juan_Bottom]

"the Bible won't count"...THAT is very telling. You apparently have closed off the possibility that the Bible is what it says it is, the Word of God. And why? Because you say so. I challenge you to find error in scripture that you can base your reasoning for "the Bible not counting". Save yourself some time, don't bother. Many throughout history have tried and failed at "debunking" the Bible. It can't be done. But as you say, "it doesn't count".

" I was questioning my faith in people." that may have been your problem. You need faith in Christ not people.

And thanks, but I'd much rather have my answers come from the Holy Spirit than a group of self-proclaimed atheists.


I think we are finished here. God bless

Getting rather arrogant aren't we?

Without the Bible, you have nothing Jay. NOTHING. That's why this conversation is over. You don't have anything other than your faith. ANYTHING. Use it as a blanket all that you like.
I was questioning my faith in people. Someone had to write The Iliad, and someone had to write the Bible. If God had written it no one would dare question it.
You need faith in people before you have absolute faith in Christ.
The Bible has already been torn to shreads. You really want to go down that path Jay?
(nicely)That's why today "the Bible is to be interpreted."

[joecoolfrog]

rocky mountain, I think this is the part where we are to "knock the dust from our shoes" and stop debating these people. They don't want to hear the Good News. And I think we are wasting our time here.


Even during the tribulation they will hide from God and not turn to Him as destruction envelops the Earth.

Yes I think you are right, take yout talk of Satan and demons to a more appropriate venue, a cave perhaps

[heavycola]

rocky mountain, I think this is the part where we are to "knock the dust from our shoes" and stop debating these people. They don't want to hear the Good News. And I think we are wasting our time here.

jay's good news:
The world is ruled by lizardmen who will inject satan chips in our arms that we can't get out
An asteroid is going to kill us in 2012 as predicted by the Mayans
But not before yellowstone park vaporises the planet
And that's after china rises up - or maybe russia - and sends its armies forth to do bloody murder unto us
At some point the antichrist will show up too
And after all that, things are going to get really nasty.

Jay, I know you don't bother eading my posts. Hell i'm probably on your ignore list.
But for anyone else - this link is quite revealing... it is a historical list of end times prophecies from the 1st century AD to the present day. It's really very long. People have been believing it is the last days since the first days.

[Haggis_McMutton]

ca. 4,500,000,000 AD The sun will swell into a red giant star, swallowing Mercury, Venus, Earth, and perhaps Mars. This will be the true end of the world!

Shit, the end of the worldz is near !!!11!

[Juan_Bottom]

rocky mountain, I think this is the part where we are to "knock the dust from our shoes" and stop debating these people. They don't want to hear the Good News. And I think we are wasting our time here.

jay's good news:
The world is ruled by lizardmen who will inject satan chips in our arms that we can't get out
An asteroid is going to kill us in 2012 as predicted by the Mayans
But not before yellowstone park vaporises the planet
And that's after china rises up - or maybe russia - and sends its armies forth to do bloody murder unto us
At some point the antichrist will show up too
And after all that, things are going to get really nasty.

Jay, I know you don't bother eading my posts. Hell i'm probably on your ignore list.
But for anyone else - this link is quite revealing... it is a historical list of end times prophecies from the 1st century AD to the present day. It's really very long. People have been believing it is the last days since the first days.

You made a good point. Just in case you are on Jay's ignore list I qouted you.

[FabledIntegral]

Concerning "I'm 100% sure I know, I just can't explain it, but I'm that sure I'm right," from jay.... found this on another site, found it interesting

The belief in "god" seems to be ubiquitous through the ages.

We know, for example, that the ancient Egyptians believed in their gods so fervently that they built massive structures like the Great Pyramid -- still today one of the largest and most enduring human constructions ever created. Despite that fervor, however, we know with complete certainty today that the Egyptian gods were imaginary. We don't build pyramids anymore and we do not mummify our leaders.

More recently we know that tens of millions of Romans worshiped Jupiter and his friends, and to them they built magnificent temples. The ruins of these temples are popular tourist attractions even today. Yet we know with complete certainty that these gods were imaginary because no one worships Zeus any more.

Much more recently, we know that the Aztec civilization believed in their gods so intensely that they constructed huge temples and pyramids. In addition, Aztecs were so zealous that they were sacrificing hundreds of human beings to their gods as recently as the 16th century. Despite the intensity, however, we know today that these gods were completely imaginary. The Aztecs were insane to be murdering people for their gods. Killing a person has no effect on rainfall or anything else. We all know that. If the Aztec gods were real, we would still be offering sacrifices to them.

Today's "God" is just as imaginary as were these historical gods. The fact that millions of people worship a god is meaningless.

The "God" and the "Jesus" that Christians worship today are actually amalgams formed out of ancient pagan gods. The idea of a "virgin birth", "burial in a rock tomb", "resurrection after 3 days" and "eating of body and drinking of blood" had nothing to do with Jesus. All of the rituals in Christianity are completely man-made. Christianity is a snow ball that rolled over a dozen pagan religions. As the snowball grew, it freely attached pagan rituals in order to be more palatable to converts. You can find accounts like these in popular literature:

* "The vestiges of pagan religion in Christian symbology are undeniable. Egyptian sun disks became the halos of Catholic saints. Pictograms of Isis nursing her miraculously conceived son Horus became the blueprint for our modern images of the Virgin Mary nursing Baby Jesus. And virtually all the elements of the Catholic ritual - the miter, the altar, the doxology, and communion, the act of "God-eating" - were taken directly from earlier pagan mystery religions."

* "Nothing in Christianity is original. The pre-Christian God Mithras - called the Son of God and the Light of the World - was born on December 25, died, was buried in a rock tomb, and then resurrected in three days. By the way, December 25 is also the birthday or Osiris, Adonis, and Dionysus. The newborn Krishna was presented with gold, frankincense, and myrrh. Even Christianity's weekly holy day was stolen from the pagans."

It is extremely hard for a Christian believer to process this data, but nonetheless it is true. All of the "sacred rituals" of Christianity, and all of Christianity's core beliefs (virgin birth, resurrection, etc.) come straight from pagan religions that were popular around the time of Jesus. Articles like this and this can help you learn more. Once you understand the fundamental truth of Christianity's origins, the silliness of this whole thing becomes apparent.

Obviously the pagan believers, from whom Christianity derived its myths, worshipped gods that were imaginary. And thus our "God" today is just an extension of these imaginary forerunners. All human gods are imaginary.

[Backglass]

I really can't relate to you self proclaimed atheists. I have never been so adamantly against God, seeking Him to pop out of a cloud and say "Boo! I'm here, serve me!" or I would refuse to believe that he exists.

AND we have come full circle back to the first few pages of this incredibly long thread. <sigh>

Magical gods don't exist jay. You can't "be against" or hate what doesn't exist. Like I have said soooooo many times before, why are YOU so "adamantly against" Leprechauns? Why do you refuse to believe they exist simply because they don't pop out of the bushes ands say "Boo"? Why do you REFUSE TO BELIEVE IN OUR MAGICAL LITTLE FRIENDS?

But that's different isn't it jay. Such a pompous double standard.

As far as the demons thing. I have never seen one with my eyes, but I have felt their presence on a few occasions. And you won't take my word for it, but believe me, the feeling was indescribable in human words. I have also felt the power of God pour over my body, again it can't be described and will be dismissed by you.

Ah yes, your "ghostly feelings". You have never seen demons because they exist only in your imagination and of course, in Steven King novels. These "feelings" you have is your tiny little brain working overtime, thinking about your many superstitions. And yes we have all heard how you claim to have been healed by a TV preacher and "felt" this power wash over you (That's no joke new readers!) . As I have asked before, why didn't your magical god cure your cigarette addiction at the same time? Can't it do that? OR are these "spot" healing's that can only tackle one illness at a time? Since your magical creature prefers to do his work through money stealing TV evangelists, why doesn't it just heal everyone watching? It DOES have that power...right? So, it just chooses not to? Is that it? Let the very sick viewers die? Besides...isn't it in your story book not to believe in healers & fortune tellers? Again...this is different I guess huh.

If in fact your disease went into remission overnight as you have claimed (yet you didn't go back to the doctor for weeks/months later and your traditional treatment was ongoing during this time so this "faith healing" is conveniently unverifiable) it was due to YOU. Your mind...the placebo effect, etc. The brain is extremely complex and science has yet to decipher it. One day, perhaps hundreds of years from now, they will find the portion of the brain that can kick start the immune system into doing such things at will and yet another of your superstitions will fade away like conception, quickening, bacteria & infection, etc.

A little, true story. Whenever a child had a wart in my family, my grandmother would "wish it away" as she said. She would rub it, close her eyes and mutter strange words under her breath. All the kids believed she had some power because within 3 days the wart would disappear. Was she magical? No. She later told me as an adult that she was mumbling gibberish and if you believed she could do it, it would always work...and it did. Was my grandmother a god? At least I could actually SEE and talk to her.

[jay_a2j]

(yet you didn't go back to the doctor for weeks/months later and your traditional treatment was ongoing during this time so this healing is conveniently unverifiable)

But is is verifiable. In 1990 I had an MRI that showed scaring on my brain, this was the final test in which my neurologist diagnosed me with MS. Just last year, 2007, I was having a constant "light headed" feeling I was sent to another neurologist for this. He had me get another MRI, the scaring on my brain was gone. He told me I didn't have MS. So I asked him, "If a person has scaring in the brain, can it just disappear on its own? He said ,"No". Now these were 2 different neurologists, and they each have there own records on me, one with an MRI with scaring, the other without.


(now go ahead, explain it away)

[Backglass]

But is is verifiable. In 1990 I had an MRI that showed scaring on my brain, this was the final test in which my neurologist diagnosed me with MS. Just last year, 2007, I was having a constant "light headed" feeling I was sent to another neurologist for this. He had me get another MRI, the scaring on my brain was gone. He told me I didn't have MS. Now these were 2 different neurologists, and they each have there own records on me, one with an MRI with scaring, the other without.

(now go ahead, explain it away)

This is your undeniable proof?! Wow. I am stunned. Simple. The first scan was interpreted incorrectly, most likely due to the poor technology of the era. Have you ever ACTUALLY SEEN AN MRI? (especially one from 18 years ago?) One has to "read" it. Subtleties are extremely subjective. You said yourself TWO DIFFERENT neurologists. Two different scans. Two different machines. Two different MRI technicians. Two different interpretations. Two different OPINIONS. (That's why, evidently, you went to a second neurologist...you didn't care for the first one I am guessing and wanted a second opinion?).

So I asked him, "If a person has scaring in the brain, can it just disappear on its own? He said ,"No".

A normal person would then ask "Then how can this be?". What was his response? Did he say "Well Jay you were obviously healed by a TV preacher"? I seriously doubt it. Like your own doctor told you, you never had MS in the first place. Your initial diagnosis was incorrect. You can't "heal" what didn't exist. Face it...your first Doctor from eighteen years ago was just wrong. Sorry Jay...it happens a lot in medicine.

A perfect example. I recently had severe neck pain and had an MRI on my neck. My family doctor told me I had THREE badly herniated discs in my cervical spine. He sent me to an orthopedist who did some additional imaging. He said I only had ONE moderately herniated disc. Who was right? Only two weeks had passed. Was I healed in the interim? Was it the work of Television? Come to think of it, the night before I had been watching the Late Late Show with Craig Ferguson. Hmmm...was I healed by a Scottish Comedian? I do recall a joyful feeling washing over me.

Since I know you care so much, I later had a spinal cortisone shot and the disc receded. HEALED! HALLELUJAH! ALL PRAISE LORD FERGUSON!

What else could it be but a miracle?

[Snorri1234]

(yet you didn't go back to the doctor for weeks/months later and your traditional treatment was ongoing during this time so this healing is conveniently unverifiable)

But is is verifiable. In 1990 I had an MRI that showed scaring on my brain, this was the final test in which my neurologist diagnosed me with MS. Just last year, 2007, I was having a constant "light headed" feeling I was sent to another neurologist for this. He had me get another MRI, the scaring on my brain was gone. He told me I didn't have MS. So I asked him, "If a person has scaring in the brain, can it just disappear on its own? He said ,"No". Now these were 2 different neurologists, and they each have there own records on me, one with an MRI with scaring, the other without.


(now go ahead, explain it away)

[jay_a2j]

(now go ahead, explain it away)

And he did....

[Backglass]

(now go ahead, explain it away)

And he did....

Yup. Perfectly I might add. I also notice you have NO RESPONSE. No surprise...just tighten the blinders and pray louder to drown out the logic.

Jay...How would you like to make an easy $1,000,000 dollars? Submit both your MRI's and story to The James Randi Foundation. http://www.randi.org/joom/challenge-info.html
He will pay you ONE MILLION DOLLARS if you can prove this is a faith healing. You claim your proof is irrifutable...undeniable...correct?

An easy Million Dollars for you and your miracle will be trumpeted across the lands drawing even more to your faith. WIN-WIN right?

But we all know you won't do it. Too much at stake isn't there.

BTW: I just noticed your signature. It is a PERFECT CHOICE for you:

"I think the main reason people choose to believe faith healing's despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary, is because it's easier, and safer. If you ignore most of the evidence your life remains simple."

[Snorri1234]

(now go ahead, explain it away)

And he did....

Uhm...if he actually offers a good and reasonable explanation, why roll your eyes at him? Why can't you accept the fact that your first doctor made a mistake (something which happens every day) in a particularly difficult field in a time where the technology wasn't as advanced as now?

[jay_a2j]

(now go ahead, explain it away)

And he did....

Uhm...if he actually offers a good and reasonable explanation, why roll your eyes at him? Why can't you accept the fact that your first doctor made a mistake (something which happens every day) in a particularly difficult field in a time where the technology wasn't as advanced as now?

Because it wasn't a "misdiagnosis", I have 2 MRI xrays to prove that in 1990 I had scaring on my brain and another MRI xray in 2007 that shows the scaring is GONE.

But I expected no less from him.

[Snorri1234]

I have 2 MRI xrays

You have MRI x-rays?


Now that is a miracle.

[Backglass]

Because it wasn't a "misdiagnosis", I have 2 MRI xrays to prove that in 1990 I had scaring on my brain and another MRI xray in 2007 that shows the scaring is GONE.

But I expected no less from him.

Great! That will make it even easier for you to WIN the One Million Dollars. RIGHT?! What have you got to lose? Be sure to let us know when you apply. Just THINK of what it will do for your religion! Spread the good news! Proclaim your miracle! Shout it to the heavens! Win One Million Dollars which you can then give to your church!

You evidently missed the entire part about nearly TWO DECADES OLD technology, interpretation, medical opinion, etc. Can I assume these, now TWO "MRI Xrays" (haha) were read by the same neurologist? Tomorrows will there be THREE?

What REALLY makes me laugh is that this is THE SAME JAY that denounces ALL things Scientific when it comes to evolution, the age of the earth, carbon dating, etc. In thread after thread he mocks science and it's silly "theories"....YET he backs the SCIENCE of Magnetic Resonance Imaging and the SCIENCE of neurology 100% when it suits him.

It's called a "House Of Cards" jay. Better watch where you step.

[Juan_Bottom]

Today's "God" is just as imaginary as were these historical gods. The fact that millions of people worship a god is meaningless.

This is what I decided after reading The Iliad!

If a person has scaring in the brain

Jay had brain scaring???
I just wanted to take a moment to say, you guys are great for not making any stupid jokes here, and instead staying the course. Seriously, that was cool, and I just wanted to say so.

And good for you Jay that you beat it!