Is God really Just?

[Juan_Bottom]

It comes down to free will.

But if God made you, and already knows everything that you are going to do, how do you have free will? Wouldn't your will have been made by him/her? Thus, no actual free will? And so your punishment/reward totally unjustified?

This is exactly what I say to my dad, who is very Christian, and guess what his response is?

"That's a good question."

Good for you! You have a very sharp wit, from what I've seen.

[kagetora]

great minds think alike!

[FabledIntegral]

it was jay that started proclaiming "I didn't evolve from an ape!!" which is a common fundamentalist theme (and from what I'm aware, it's chimpanzees, not apes, right? This is going off what I remember... just amusing how fundamentalists bunch everything together to discredit things, just like the peanut butter example earlier).

A couple of corrections.

Chimpanzees are apes. Man and the various apes are believed to have evolved from a common ancestor, based on the similarity of our aspects, DNA and the fossil record.

We did not evolve from apes (chimpanzees or other).

To get back to the original question....

It comes down to free will. If you have freedom of choice, you have the choice to choose badly. Christians, however, believe that because God loves us, he gave us the law, the Bible and finally Christ to help show us the way. Christians also generally believe that somehow some way everyone will be given a real chance to hear "the truth" (that is, the Christian truth) and to choose. We believe that God's judgement supercedes human perceptions so that a person we might think is to be saved might not be, but someone we would not think to be saved... be they "scum" or simply of another religion, might very well be saved.

I see where I misunderstood - chimps are an extant species of apes. Chimpanzees are also more similar in terms of DNA to humans than those of apes, hence where I was confused.

[jay_a2j]

It comes down to free will.

But if God made you, and already knows everything that you are going to do, how do you have free will? Wouldn't your will have been made by him/her? Thus, no actual free will? And so your punishment/reward totally unjustified?

This is exactly what I say to my dad, who is very Christian, and guess what his response is?

"That's a good question."

Good for you! You have a very sharp wit, from what I've seen.

If you watch a re-run you can sit there and say, "That kid is going to fall in the river" because you have already seen that this was going to happen. Did you in any way control the kid to make him fall into the river? No, you just KNEW that he was. God does not make our choices, He allows us to make them, He just knows before hand what choices we will make. It is free will.

[kagetora]

It comes down to free will.

But if God made you, and already knows everything that you are going to do, how do you have free will? Wouldn't your will have been made by him/her? Thus, no actual free will? And so your punishment/reward totally unjustified?

This is exactly what I say to my dad, who is very Christian, and guess what his response is?

"That's a good question."

Good for you! You have a very sharp wit, from what I've seen.

If you watch a re-run you can sit there and say, "That kid is going to fall in the river" because you have already seen that this was going to happen. Did you in any way control the kid to make him fall into the river? No, you just KNEW that he was. God does not make our choices, He allows us to make them, He just knows before hand what choices we will make. It is free will.

Ah, but is God a viewer? No. He is the director. He chose that the kid would fall in the river. So the difference is, God (the director) chose our options, chose our decisions, and chose the consequences. Where as others (the viewer) would only see the options, decisions, and consequences.

[jay_a2j]

Ah, but is God a viewer? No. He is the director. He chose that the kid would fall in the river. So the difference is, God (the director) chose our options, chose our decisions, and chose the consequences. Where as others (the viewer) would only see the options, decisions, and consequences.

Ok, better example. Jim doesn't like bananas, his mother has put his afterschool snack choices on the table, an apple and a banana. His mother knows that Jim doesn't like bananas and will most likely eat the apple. However, it is Jim's choice whether he will choose the apple or the banana. Free will is about free choice. So, unless you can say that you were made to do something against your will, by God, you can not deny that you have free will. I really have a hard time grasping why anyone can think we don't have free will.

[kagetora]

Ah, but is God a viewer? No. He is the director. He chose that the kid would fall in the river. So the difference is, God (the director) chose our options, chose our decisions, and chose the consequences. Where as others (the viewer) would only see the options, decisions, and consequences.

Ok, better example. Jim doesn't like bananas, his mother has put his afterschool snack choices on the table, an apple and a banana. His mother knows that Jim doesn't like bananas and will most likely eat the apple. However, it is Jim's choice whether he will choose the apple or the banana. Free will is about free choice. So, unless you can say that you were made to do something against your will, by God, you can not deny that you have free will. I really have a hard time grasping why anyone can think we don't have free will.

will most likely eat the apple not definite. God is supposed to be omniscient. Therefore, there is no "most likely," only definites.

[jay_a2j]

Ah, but is God a viewer? No. He is the director. He chose that the kid would fall in the river. So the difference is, God (the director) chose our options, chose our decisions, and chose the consequences. Where as others (the viewer) would only see the options, decisions, and consequences.

Ok, better example. Jim doesn't like bananas, his mother has put his afterschool snack choices on the table, an apple and a banana. His mother knows that Jim doesn't like bananas and will most likely eat the apple. However, it is Jim's choice whether he will choose the apple or the banana. Free will is about free choice. So, unless you can say that you were made to do something against your will, by God, you can not deny that you have free will. I really have a hard time grasping why anyone can think we don't have free will.

will most likely eat the apple not definite. God is supposed to be omniscient. Therefore, there is no "most likely," only definites.

And God knows which fruit he will choose. But it is still Jim's choice! FREE WILL!

[FabledIntegral]

Ah, but is God a viewer? No. He is the director. He chose that the kid would fall in the river. So the difference is, God (the director) chose our options, chose our decisions, and chose the consequences. Where as others (the viewer) would only see the options, decisions, and consequences.

Ok, better example. Jim doesn't like bananas, his mother has put his afterschool snack choices on the table, an apple and a banana. His mother knows that Jim doesn't like bananas and will most likely eat the apple. However, it is Jim's choice whether he will choose the apple or the banana. Free will is about free choice. So, unless you can say that you were made to do something against your will, by God, you can not deny that you have free will. I really have a hard time grasping why anyone can think we don't have free will.

Free will is still irrelevant. It doesn't matter whether you have it or not, that's not the point. The point is that God created us flawed, and punishes us if we succumb to those flaws.

Put it this way, I would have no problem with God's plan IF it said that all those who believe and follow and are born again get to spend time with him, BUT those who do not obey him AREN'T punished but just go away or disappear or something. Then he still spends eternity with those who chose him... but what's the need for him to be cruel and punish those who don't follow him NOT because they want to rebel, but because they incorrectly thought he wasn't real.

As said, if I by any chance thought God was to be real, I'd kneel down and accept him. But the point is I don't. And if God is real, I'm going to suffer in eternity because of it! Due to the circumstance HE put ME in! If he wants to reward the creations he made for following him, cool, but don't condemn and damn the rest that didn't follow him due to circumstance.

[william18]

Ah, but is God a viewer? No. He is the director. He chose that the kid would fall in the river. So the difference is, God (the director) chose our options, chose our decisions, and chose the consequences. Where as others (the viewer) would only see the options, decisions, and consequences.

Ok, better example. Jim doesn't like bananas, his mother has put his afterschool snack choices on the table, an apple and a banana. His mother knows that Jim doesn't like bananas and will most likely eat the apple. However, it is Jim's choice whether he will choose the apple or the banana. Free will is about free choice. So, unless you can say that you were made to do something against your will, by God, you can not deny that you have free will. I really have a hard time grasping why anyone can think we don't have free will.

Free will is still irrelevant. It doesn't matter whether you have it or not, that's not the point. The point is that God created us flawed, and punishes us if we succumb to those flaws.

Put it this way, I would have no problem with God's plan IF it said that all those who believe and follow and are born again get to spend time with him, BUT those who do not obey him AREN'T punished but just go away or disappear or something. Then he still spends eternity with those who chose him... but what's the need for him to be cruel and punish those who don't follow him NOT because they want to rebel, but because they incorrectly thought he wasn't real.

As said, if I by any chance thought God was to be real, I'd kneel down and accept him. But the point is I don't. And if God is real, I'm going to suffer in eternity because of it! Due to the circumstance HE put ME in! If he wants to reward the creations he made for following him, cool, but don't condemn and damn the rest that didn't follow him due to circumstance.

What circumstances did he put you in? You know about him, you are fully aware of the bible, right now your in a better spot then most. He did what he could to make you beleive, yet you don't. Most of you say "well if he's real, then why can't we see him". It's because it defeats a great purpose, the big test. If someone beleives in god with almost blind faith then he has succeeded, it's the test. Shunning him is different then not knowing. God will not punish someone agaist a sin if they didn't know(small child/remote people who have no contact with religion etc). But will if people shun him.

[Neoteny]

Ah, but is God a viewer? No. He is the director. He chose that the kid would fall in the river. So the difference is, God (the director) chose our options, chose our decisions, and chose the consequences. Where as others (the viewer) would only see the options, decisions, and consequences.

Ok, better example. Jim doesn't like bananas, his mother has put his afterschool snack choices on the table, an apple and a banana. His mother knows that Jim doesn't like bananas and will most likely eat the apple. However, it is Jim's choice whether he will choose the apple or the banana. Free will is about free choice. So, unless you can say that you were made to do something against your will, by God, you can not deny that you have free will. I really have a hard time grasping why anyone can think we don't have free will.

Free will is still irrelevant. It doesn't matter whether you have it or not, that's not the point. The point is that God created us flawed, and punishes us if we succumb to those flaws.

Put it this way, I would have no problem with God's plan IF it said that all those who believe and follow and are born again get to spend time with him, BUT those who do not obey him AREN'T punished but just go away or disappear or something. Then he still spends eternity with those who chose him... but what's the need for him to be cruel and punish those who don't follow him NOT because they want to rebel, but because they incorrectly thought he wasn't real.

As said, if I by any chance thought God was to be real, I'd kneel down and accept him. But the point is I don't. And if God is real, I'm going to suffer in eternity because of it! Due to the circumstance HE put ME in! If he wants to reward the creations he made for following him, cool, but don't condemn and damn the rest that didn't follow him due to circumstance.

What circumstances did he put you in? You know about him, you are fully aware of the bible, right now your in a better spot then most. He did what he could to make you beleive, yet you don't. Most of you say "well if he's real, then why can't we see him". It's because it defeats a great purpose, the big test. If someone beleives in god with almost blind faith then he has succeeded, it's the test. Shunning him is different then not knowing. God will not punish someone agaist a sin if they didn't know(small child/remote people who have no contact with religion etc). But will if people shun him.

Life's a test? What a waste of time and energy.

[FabledIntegral]

Ah, but is God a viewer? No. He is the director. He chose that the kid would fall in the river. So the difference is, God (the director) chose our options, chose our decisions, and chose the consequences. Where as others (the viewer) would only see the options, decisions, and consequences.

Ok, better example. Jim doesn't like bananas, his mother has put his afterschool snack choices on the table, an apple and a banana. His mother knows that Jim doesn't like bananas and will most likely eat the apple. However, it is Jim's choice whether he will choose the apple or the banana. Free will is about free choice. So, unless you can say that you were made to do something against your will, by God, you can not deny that you have free will. I really have a hard time grasping why anyone can think we don't have free will.

Free will is still irrelevant. It doesn't matter whether you have it or not, that's not the point. The point is that God created us flawed, and punishes us if we succumb to those flaws.

Put it this way, I would have no problem with God's plan IF it said that all those who believe and follow and are born again get to spend time with him, BUT those who do not obey him AREN'T punished but just go away or disappear or something. Then he still spends eternity with those who chose him... but what's the need for him to be cruel and punish those who don't follow him NOT because they want to rebel, but because they incorrectly thought he wasn't real.

As said, if I by any chance thought God was to be real, I'd kneel down and accept him. But the point is I don't. And if God is real, I'm going to suffer in eternity because of it! Due to the circumstance HE put ME in! If he wants to reward the creations he made for following him, cool, but don't condemn and damn the rest that didn't follow him due to circumstance.

What circumstances did he put you in? You know about him, you are fully aware of the bible, right now your in a better spot then most. He did what he could to make you beleive, yet you don't. Most of you say "well if he's real, then why can't we see him". It's because it defeats a great purpose, the big test. If someone beleives in god with almost blind faith then he has succeeded, it's the test. Shunning him is different then not knowing. God will not punish someone agaist a sin if they didn't know(small child/remote people who have no contact with religion etc). But will if people shun him.

I am also fully aware of the Hindu religion, as are you. What happens if Hindu is the true religion? Do you think it would be just to get condemned because you thought Christianity was real? I mean, MILLIONS of Indians can't be wrong can they? Or are we starting to borderline on billions?

I'm also aware of the Greek Gods such as Zeus. Tell me, why should I choose the Christian religion? To say that God wants us the play teh guessing game of blind faith is utterly ridiculous, what's the reasoning behind that? So now Moses, who God presented himself to, has a better chance at getting into heaven than me. How is that fair? Because Moses got lucky he doesn't have to risk eternal damnation? Unbelievable. He presented himself to everyone in the Old Testament, as Jesus in the New Testament, so if I was in a lucky friggin' generation I could have been saved from damnation?

Next argument...

[tzor]

Free will is still irrelevant. It doesn't matter whether you have it or not, that's not the point. The point is that God created us flawed, and punishes us if we succumb to those flaws.

You make two points and they need to be addressed seperately.

The first point is that God didn't make us perfect, he made us imperfect. This in itself would be an interesting question, but God throws a curve at us, he calls the question and raises the question to a higher level. God, that is the Word of God, took on that imperfect flesh and became man.

This is important because God is love, as Paul states. Love cannot exist without the other, because Love is all about the other. The Father, so totally in Love that he gives the Son; the Son to totally in love that he surrenders to the will of the Father. The love between them is so strong that it forms its own person, the Spirit. (You know this sounds a lot like the physics of quarks; the energy needed to split two quarks is equal to the creation of two quarks so that quarks can never be split into a single particle.)

This is important because, all the talk of Heaven aside, that isn't the Gospel of Jesus Christ. He didn't go about saying, "don't worry you will be happy when you die." He went about saying that the Kingdom was among them at that very moment. That strange imperfect life of ours, so loved by God could be in turn made perfect if we simply followed what He had been suggesting all along, that we love one another.

Now we get to that part about free will. We can choose not to love. We can choose to reject love, and thus in turn reject God who is love. We can turn into ourselves, and discover that deep within we really suck. In that eternity to come we will forever know that deep within we suck. Pain, suffering, or in short a place and a state called hell.

[tzor]

I am also fully aware of the Hindu religion, as are you. What happens if Hindu is the true religion? Do you think it would be just to get condemned because you thought Christianity was real? I mean, MILLIONS of Indians can't be wrong can they? Or are we starting to borderline on billions?

I'm also aware of the Greek Gods such as Zeus. Tell me, why should I choose the Christian religion? To say that God wants us the play teh guessing game of blind faith is utterly ridiculous, what's the reasoning behind that? So now Moses, who God presented himself to, has a better chance at getting into heaven than me. How is that fair? Because Moses got lucky he doesn't have to risk eternal damnation? Unbelievable. He presented himself to everyone in the Old Testament, as Jesus in the New Testament, so if I was in a lucky friggin' generation I could have been saved from damnation?

Next argument...

What happens if Hindu is the true religion? I guess I'll just have to start all over again.

If the Greeks were right, I'm kind of stuck in a semi-sucky underworld, which would at least be better than non existance I suppose.

One of the problems of the Gospel is that they are intended to be for those who hear it. To those whom much is given much is required. To those to whom the good news is not proclaimed ...

"Since Christ died for all, and since all men are in fact called to one and the same destiny, which is divine, we must hold that the Holy Spirit offers to all the possibility of being made partakers, in a way known to God, of the Paschal mystery." Every man who is ignorant of the Gospel of Christ and of his Church, but seeks the truth and does the will of God in accordance with his understanding of it, can be saved. It may be supposed that such persons would have desired Baptism explicitly if they had known its necessity.

[william18]

Ah, but is God a viewer? No. He is the director. He chose that the kid would fall in the river. So the difference is, God (the director) chose our options, chose our decisions, and chose the consequences. Where as others (the viewer) would only see the options, decisions, and consequences.

Ok, better example. Jim doesn't like bananas, his mother has put his afterschool snack choices on the table, an apple and a banana. His mother knows that Jim doesn't like bananas and will most likely eat the apple. However, it is Jim's choice whether he will choose the apple or the banana. Free will is about free choice. So, unless you can say that you were made to do something against your will, by God, you can not deny that you have free will. I really have a hard time grasping why anyone can think we don't have free will.

Free will is still irrelevant. It doesn't matter whether you have it or not, that's not the point. The point is that God created us flawed, and punishes us if we succumb to those flaws.

Put it this way, I would have no problem with God's plan IF it said that all those who believe and follow and are born again get to spend time with him, BUT those who do not obey him AREN'T punished but just go away or disappear or something. Then he still spends eternity with those who chose him... but what's the need for him to be cruel and punish those who don't follow him NOT because they want to rebel, but because they incorrectly thought he wasn't real.

As said, if I by any chance thought God was to be real, I'd kneel down and accept him. But the point is I don't. And if God is real, I'm going to suffer in eternity because of it! Due to the circumstance HE put ME in! If he wants to reward the creations he made for following him, cool, but don't condemn and damn the rest that didn't follow him due to circumstance.

What circumstances did he put you in? You know about him, you are fully aware of the bible, right now your in a better spot then most. He did what he could to make you beleive, yet you don't. Most of you say "well if he's real, then why can't we see him". It's because it defeats a great purpose, the big test. If someone beleives in god with almost blind faith then he has succeeded, it's the test. Shunning him is different then not knowing. God will not punish someone agaist a sin if they didn't know(small child/remote people who have no contact with religion etc). But will if people shun him.

I am also fully aware of the Hindu religion, as are you. What happens if Hindu is the true religion? Do you think it would be just to get condemned because you thought Christianity was real? I mean, MILLIONS of Indians can't be wrong can they? Or are we starting to borderline on billions?

I'm also aware of the Greek Gods such as Zeus. Tell me, why should I choose the Christian religion? To say that God wants us the play teh guessing game of blind faith is utterly ridiculous, what's the reasoning behind that? So now Moses, who God presented himself to, has a better chance at getting into heaven than me. How is that fair? Because Moses got lucky he doesn't have to risk eternal damnation? Unbelievable. He presented himself to everyone in the Old Testament, as Jesus in the New Testament, so if I was in a lucky friggin' generation I could have been saved from damnation?

Next argument...

If you read in the bible, Hindu was a religion made out of spite against God shortly after the Incident in the Tower of Babel(or so I think). So to make god mad they took the image of a cow and made a golden statue and started worshipping it.

[Juan_Bottom]

Now we get to that part about free will. We can choose not to love. We can choose to reject love, and thus in turn reject God who is love. We can turn into ourselves, and discover that deep within we really suck. In that eternity to come we will forever know that deep within we suck. Pain, suffering, or in short a place and a state called hell.

But if God made you, and already knows everything that you are going to do, how do you have free will? Wouldn't your will have been made by him/her? Thus, no actual free will? And so your punishment/reward totally unjustified?

Most of you say "well if he's real, then why can't we see him". It's because it defeats a great purpose, the big test. If someone beleives in god with almost blind faith then he has succeeded, it's the test. Shunning him is different then not knowing. God will not punish someone agaist a sin if they didn't know(small child/remote people who have no contact with religion etc). But will if people shun him.

Seriously WILLIAM18, pretend that you are us for a second. Now, doesn't this just sound like another easy answer to explain intangability? I'm not making any arguments, I just want you to see things our way for a sec. Let me know what you think.

made perfect if we simply followed what He had been suggesting all along, that we love one another.

I wont go for your religion. But I go for this. One world, one people.

One of the problems of the Gospel is that they are intended to be for those who hear it. To those whom much is given much is required. To those to whom the good news is not proclaimed ...

There's a word for that. I think that it is in the dictionary under the word "gullible."

(You know this sounds a lot like the physics of quarks; the energy needed to split two quarks is equal to the creation of two quarks so that quarks can never be split into a single particle.)

If you read in the bible, Hindu was a religion made out of spite against God shortly after the Incident in the Tower of Babel(or so I think). So to make god mad they took the image of a cow and made a golden statue and started worshipping it.

Let me share my point of view.
I'm an Atheist.
BUT! if I were there, and knew that there was a God, Heaven, and Hell. No friggin' way I'd be stupid enough to try and piss him/her off. I doubt that this is what happened. Unless, God made those people with the intent of making them Piss him/her off later. I redirect to my first statement above. They wouldn't know better I guess....

[william18]

If you read in the bible, Hindu was a religion made out of spite against God shortly after the Incident in the Tower of Babel(or so I think). So to make god mad they took the image of a cow and made a golden statue and started worshipping it.

Let me share my point of view.
I'm an Atheist.
BUT! if I were there, and knew that there was a God, Heaven, and Hell. No friggin' way I'd be stupid enough to try and piss him/her off. I doubt that this is what happened. Unless, God made those people with the intent of making them Piss him/her off later. I redirect to my first statement above. They wouldn't know better I guess....

Well the babylonians were making the tower of Babal and trying to reach god and hit him with the tower(mockery ofcourse). When they say"confusion of tongue" I don't beleive that how languages were made, instaed the confusing is different idea's, not different languages.

[kagetora]

Actually, Hindu is older than Christianity.

"Since Christ died for all, and since all men are in fact called to one and the same destiny, which is divine, we must hold that the Holy Spirit offers to all the possibility of being made partakers, in a way known to God, of the Paschal mystery." Every man who is ignorant of the Gospel of Christ and of his Church, but seeks the truth and does the will of God in accordance with his understanding of it, can be saved. It may be supposed that such persons would have desired Baptism explicitly if they had known its necessity.

Being Christian for 12 years, I beg to differ with this statement. The belief that I was taught, is it doesn't matter how good of a person you are, it only matters that you believe in God and accept Jesus as your savior.

[jay_a2j]

Actually, Hindu is older than Christianity.

"Since Christ died for all, and since all men are in fact called to one and the same destiny, which is divine, we must hold that the Holy Spirit offers to all the possibility of being made partakers, in a way known to God, of the Paschal mystery." Every man who is ignorant of the Gospel of Christ and of his Church, but seeks the truth and does the will of God in accordance with his understanding of it, can be saved. It may be supposed that such persons would have desired Baptism explicitly if they had known its necessity.

Being Christian for 12 years, I beg to differ with this statement. The belief that I was taught, is it doesn't matter how good of a person you are, it only matters that you believe in God and accept Jesus as your savior.

How can you "be a Christian for 12 years"? And then all of a sudden not be? Either your name is in the Book of Life or it isn't.

[Juan_Bottom]

If you read in the bible, Hindu was a religion made out of spite against God shortly after the Incident in the Tower of Babel(or so I think). So to make god mad they took the image of a cow and made a golden statue and started worshipping it.

Let me share my point of view.
I'm an Atheist.
BUT! if I were there, and knew that there was a God, Heaven, and Hell. No friggin' way I'd be stupid enough to try and piss him/her off. I doubt that this is what happened. Unless, God made those people with the intent of making them Piss him/her off later. I redirect to my first statement above. They wouldn't know better I guess....

Well the babylonians were making the tower of Babal and trying to reach god and hit him with the tower(mockery ofcourse). When they say"confusion of tongue" I don't beleive that how languages were made, instaed the confusing is different idea's, not different languages.

Again, I refer you to what you quoted for my reply.

Being Christian for 12 years, I beg to differ with this statement. The belief that I was taught, is it doesn't matter how good of a person you are, it only matters that you believe in God and accept Jesus as your savior.

This is what I was tought as a Lutheran. You need only accept Jesus Christ as your lord and savior.

[Juan_Bottom]

Actually, Hindu is older than Christianity.

"Since Christ died for all, and since all men are in fact called to one and the same destiny, which is divine, we must hold that the Holy Spirit offers to all the possibility of being made partakers, in a way known to God, of the Paschal mystery." Every man who is ignorant of the Gospel of Christ and of his Church, but seeks the truth and does the will of God in accordance with his understanding of it, can be saved. It may be supposed that such persons would have desired Baptism explicitly if they had known its necessity.

Being Christian for 12 years, I beg to differ with this statement. The belief that I was taught, is it doesn't matter how good of a person you are, it only matters that you believe in God and accept Jesus as your savior.

How can you "be a Christian for 12 years"? And then all of a sudden not be? Either your name is in the Book of Life or it isn't.

A lot of Atheist/Agnostics start out as something else. I for example was a Lutheran.

[kagetora]

I'm 14 years old, and know about as much about religion as most adults.

I was raised as a Christian for all my life. Then, I stopped and thought about Protestant beliefs, and then I realized how ridiculous it was.

[william18]

Even if I was Athiest I would become Christian to be on the safe side. But lets go back ontopic about how you might question Gods way of judging. Here's a metaphor for an Athiest going into heaven.

Lets say if someone ignores you, shunns you and wants nothing to do with you but is kind to everyone else, but then immediatly ask to come to your house just because they heard it was fun, would you let them in, or shun them for being an rude?

[kagetora]

Lets say if someone ignores you, shunns you and wants nothing to do with you but is kind to everyone else, but then immediatly ask to come to your house just because they heard it was fun, would you let them in, or shun them for being an rude?

Alter the situation to accurately fit.

Lets say someone you created to ignore you ignores you, shuns you and wants nothing to do with you but is kind to everyone else, like you created them, but then asks to come to your house just because they heard it was fun, would you let them in, or shun them for being rude, like you created them?

[jay_a2j]

Lets say if someone ignores you, shunns you and wants nothing to do with you but is kind to everyone else, but then immediatly ask to come to your house just because they heard it was fun, would you let them in, or shun them for being an rude?

Alter the situation to accurately fit.

Lets say someone you created to ignore you ignores you, shuns you and wants nothing to do with you but is kind to everyone else, like you created them, but then asks to come to your house just because they heard it was fun, would you let them in, or shun them for being rude, like you created them?

We weren't created to ignore Him. We were created to worship Him. But given the choice not to.