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Re: Liberals are Smart

Postby comic boy on Wed Jul 16, 2008 4:59 am

I think if I were a US taxpayer I would want to know why so much of my money has gone to Halliburton in the last 5 years, why procurement proceedures were ignored and contracts railroaded to Halliburton, why Halliburton are given contracts on a cost+ basis ( meaning they make a set percentage profit regardless of cost or efficiency ), why the Bush administration has slapped reporting restrictions on the current crop ( about 75 ) of civil lawsuits filed against Halliburton on health & safety or fraud issues. The question is not whether there has been corruption involving Dick Cheyney,Halliburton and the Bush administration ( Because thats a gimme ) its why hasn't anybody been prosecuted yet ?
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Re: Liberals are Smart

Postby Nobunaga on Wed Jul 16, 2008 5:34 am

... Comments leaning socialist from the Europeans and Brits I expect. Add to this their overblown and outdated nationalistic egos and we get a lot of, "You're just an idiot if you think government cannot and should not spend your money to take care of everybody". They've grown up with social welfare and probably cannot see any other options. I spent 10 years in a country like that and folks were like robots. Dissent did not exist.

... It's the Americans I cannot figure out. It's my guess that a lot of the big-government fans here from the States either are too young to actually know better (thank you US schools! :? ) or are still sucking on the parents' teets and don't have paychecks to be raped by government. Or... they have no responsibilities beyond themselves and don't much care, so long as they have their games, beer and girls (pot, and whatever else).

... Read a fascinating report last week showing political affiliation by upbringing. A huge majority of those raised by single mothers were Democrats - it was seventy-something percent. Made me wonder if Uncle Sam is filling that missing dad slot in their lives.

... I wouldn't be surprised. Marriage breakups benefit the Dems.

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Re: Liberals are Smart

Postby comic boy on Wed Jul 16, 2008 6:31 am

As it seems the current vogue to propose less than scientific generalisations ;

ALL THIEVES ARE REPUBLICAN - Well it stands to reason,they are stealing to improve the financial standing of themselves and their families, good old fashioned Conservative principle that :D .

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Re: Liberals are Smart

Postby Joodoo on Wed Jul 16, 2008 6:35 am

comic boy should have wrote:As it seems the current vogue to propose less than scientific generalisations ;

ALL THIEVES AND WARMONGERS ARE REPUBLICAN - Well it stands to reason,they are stealing to improve the financial standing of themselves and their families, good old fashioned Conservative principle that :D .

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Re: Liberals are Smart

Postby Neoteny on Wed Jul 16, 2008 7:41 am

Nobunaga wrote:... Comments leaning socialist from the Europeans and Brits I expect. Add to this their overblown and outdated nationalistic egos and we get a lot of, "You're just an idiot if you think government cannot and should not spend your money to take care of everybody". They've grown up with social welfare and probably cannot see any other options. I spent 10 years in a country like that and folks were like robots. Dissent did not exist.

... It's the Americans I cannot figure out. It's my guess that a lot of the big-government fans here from the States either are too young to actually know better (thank you US schools! :? ) or are still sucking on the parents' teets and don't have paychecks to be raped by government. Or... they have no responsibilities beyond themselves and don't much care, so long as they have their games, beer and girls (pot, and whatever else).

... Read a fascinating report last week showing political affiliation by upbringing. A huge majority of those raised by single mothers were Democrats - it was seventy-something percent. Made me wonder if Uncle Sam is filling that missing dad slot in their lives.

... I wouldn't be surprised. Marriage breakups benefit the Dems.

...


Wow, I don't fit in any of those categories. Try broadening them some more.
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Re: Liberals are Smart

Postby MeDeFe on Wed Jul 16, 2008 8:17 am

Can we conclude that there are a lot of stupid people in the world and we should do our best not to emulate them? Additionally we could agree that trying to apply such broad and ill-defined labels as "liberal" and "conservative" to divide the whole political as well as economical spectrum is an undertaking doomed to fail from the beginning.

Then we can get to the interesting part and start discussing various approaches to perceived problems, what advantages, disadvantages and side-effects each approach might have, which is more likely to succeed and why. Sounds good, doesn't it?
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Re: Liberals are Smart

Postby Neoteny on Wed Jul 16, 2008 8:18 am

MeDeFe wrote:Can we conclude that there are a lot of stupid people in the world and we should do our best not to emulate them? Additionally we could agree that trying to apply such broad and ill-defined labels as "liberal" and "conservative" to divide the whole political as well as economical spectrum is an undertaking doomed to fail from the beginning.

Then we can get to the interesting part and start discussing various approaches to perceived problems, what advantages, disadvantages and side-effects each approach might have, which is more likely to succeed and why. Sounds good, doesn't it?


That's just ridiculous.
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Re: Liberals are Smart

Postby MeDeFe on Wed Jul 16, 2008 8:20 am

Neoteny wrote:
MeDeFe wrote:Can we conclude that there are a lot of stupid people in the world and we should do our best not to emulate them? Additionally we could agree that trying to apply such broad and ill-defined labels as "liberal" and "conservative" to divide the whole political as well as economical spectrum is an undertaking doomed to fail from the beginning.

Then we can get to the interesting part and start discussing various approaches to perceived problems, what advantages, disadvantages and side-effects each approach might have, which is more likely to succeed and why. Sounds good, doesn't it?

That's just ridiculous.

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Re: Liberals are Smart

Postby muy_thaiguy on Wed Jul 16, 2008 9:17 am

... Read a fascinating report last week showing political affiliation by upbringing. A huge majority of those raised by single mothers were Democrats - it was seventy-something percent. Made me wonder if Uncle Sam is filling that missing dad slot in their lives.
I guess I fall into that 20 something percent that don't go Dem. Though for a time when I was younger, that seemed how I was going to swing, but now, I'm a registered GOP and consider myself a Traditional Conservative.

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MeDeFe wrote:Can we conclude that there are a lot of stupid people in the world and we should do our best not to emulate them? Additionally we could agree that trying to apply such broad and ill-defined labels as "liberal" and "conservative" to divide the whole political as well as economical spectrum is an undertaking doomed to fail from the beginning.

Then we can get to the interesting part and start discussing various approaches to perceived problems, what advantages, disadvantages and side-effects each approach might have, which is more likely to succeed and why. Sounds good, doesn't it?

That's just ridiculous.

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Re: Liberals are Smart

Postby Iz Man on Wed Jul 16, 2008 11:39 am

Interesting how some here equate higher taxes with charity.
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Re: Liberals are Smart

Postby Backglass on Wed Jul 16, 2008 11:54 am

Iz Man wrote:Interesting how some here equate higher taxes with charity.


More interesting yet is how some equate $537,215,344,535.00 spent in Iraq as good thing.

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Re: Liberals are Smart

Postby tzor on Wed Jul 16, 2008 12:02 pm

Backglass wrote:
Iz Man wrote:Interesting how some here equate higher taxes with charity.


More interesting yet is how some equate $537,215,344,535.00 spent in Iraq as good thing.

http://www.CostOfWar.com


I could make an interesting argument that the reason we spent so much on Iraq is that we wated to do it all on the "cheap." Had we spent the money and resources up front as many of the commanders (who were under the Rummy doctrine shifted over to Kuait) wanted we would be out of there by now.
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Re: Liberals are Smart

Postby comic boy on Wed Jul 16, 2008 12:42 pm

tzor wrote:
Backglass wrote:
Iz Man wrote:Interesting how some here equate higher taxes with charity.


More interesting yet is how some equate $537,215,344,535.00 spent in Iraq as good thing.

http://www.CostOfWar.com


I could make an interesting argument that the reason we spent so much on Iraq is that we wated to do it all on the "cheap." Had we spent the money and resources up front as many of the commanders (who were under the Rummy doctrine shifted over to Kuait) wanted we would be out of there by now.


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