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Re: Regarding wicked (part 2)

Postby peanutsdad on Thu Jul 24, 2008 8:21 pm

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peanutsdad wrote:while i agree with you about this being a private site and lack being in charge and all that, that's not the point of this. While i tend to believe that you have seen the evidence, and that lack would not act maliciously, that is how it looks because of the way he posted this and the way it's being portrayed here in the forum. He does not need to post trade secrets or anything like that, there are ways around that, for gawd sakes, he runs the site, i'm pretty sure he knows how to post the evidence with out posting trade secrets. All i said was that posting the evidence would squelch all the talk about him lying about the evidence, it's a simple solution. as simple as that.....

The thing is, the only evidence of her posting is the posting of "trade secrets". I have only seen the "redacted" version of the evidence. But I do believe lack. I know there is not much I can say to convince anyone, but I will try.
What does lack have to gain from lying about this? He lost one of his best employees/volunteers. And now he claims that she is trying to trash the site that he created. If he is telling the truth, she should be banned, does anyone disagree? If he is telling the truth, and she was distributing information then the site would have been in ruins if he did not act. If he is lying, then people will revolt, and the site will go to hell. Clearly he was put in a tough place, but it was not his doing. The actions of one person forced his hand. If this was your site, given the situation of wicked no longer being a mod and threatening to pull the site down 'bit' by 'bit', would you have acted any differently? I doubt it.

EDIT: Damnit fuzzy, you beat me to it.



I agree with you, and while i was not trying to raise the "wicked" flag, but more just trying to be the voice of reason, i can see how my comments were taken the latter... I agree with you and fuzzy actually, and lack for that matter, and hope that the site does continue, completely and fruitfully......
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Re: Regarding wicked (part 2)

Postby Scott-Land on Thu Jul 24, 2008 8:30 pm

peanutsdad wrote:. Post the evidence or there will forever be speculation that this was just lack being vindictive and untruthful.......


I certainly have a problem with this statement as Lack has no obligation to do such a thing. It's laughable to even ask. As far as debating or whatnot- there will always be some that will cry for the sake of crying.

If Wicked think it's unjust, it's certainly her right to appeal. I highly doubt it especially with her recent posts- but again it's none of our business.
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Re: Regarding wicked (part 2)

Postby lord voldemort on Thu Jul 24, 2008 9:07 pm

wow shit always hits the fan when i sleep i take the mods side of this really
we dont need to see the evidence it happened not really of our concern. it sucks a lil i hated her as a mod, as a person she was a laugh. but if what she did actually happened (which i beleive did) then she deserved the ban. like daydream said in the bandits forum...not the most mature person going aroudn to do something like that
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Re: Regarding wicked (part 2)

Postby knapper on Thu Jul 24, 2008 9:23 pm

maturity is for over-serious dorks.
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Re: Regarding wicked (part 2)

Postby wrestler1ump on Thu Jul 24, 2008 9:35 pm

All hail the witch is dead! :lol:
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Re: Regarding wicked (part 2)

Postby Orange-Idaho-Dog on Thu Jul 24, 2008 9:38 pm

Well, I'm not gonna waste time posting my opinion when the admins of this site clearly don't care. If Wicked doesn't 'work' for you anymore, how is binded to an agreement? Wait wait, let me guess... You can't shed light on the subject with your community because Twill said not to? :lol:

Get a life Lack, give the site to Twill atleast... He shares his opinion on things, and doesn't let anyone else make decisions for him. I still think he's a giant jackass :P But atleast he knows how to run a business.
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Re: Regarding wicked (part 2)

Postby lancehoch on Thu Jul 24, 2008 9:50 pm

Orange-Idaho-Dog wrote:Well, I'm not gonna waste time posting my opinion when the admins of this site clearly don't care. If Wicked doesn't 'work' for you anymore, how is binded to an agreement? Wait wait, let me guess... You can't shed light on the subject with your community because Twill said not to? :lol:

Get a life Lack, give the site to Twill atleast... He shares his opinion on things, and doesn't let anyone else make decisions for him. I still think he's a giant jackass :P But atleast he knows how to run a business.

How about this...if someone in the government knows "Top-Secret" material, but they quit the government job, or are forced out even, can they divulge the material they know? No, they would be jailed for treason. I admit, being a multi on CC is not as serious as knowing who the spies are in China or whatever, but that is one of CC's secrets. Therefore wicked committed CC's version of "treason" and was summarily "executed" if you will.
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Re: Regarding wicked (part 2)

Postby wcaclimbing on Thu Jul 24, 2008 9:52 pm

lancehoch wrote:
Orange-Idaho-Dog wrote:Well, I'm not gonna waste time posting my opinion when the admins of this site clearly don't care. If Wicked doesn't 'work' for you anymore, how is binded to an agreement? Wait wait, let me guess... You can't shed light on the subject with your community because Twill said not to? :lol:

Get a life Lack, give the site to Twill atleast... He shares his opinion on things, and doesn't let anyone else make decisions for him. I still think he's a giant jackass :P But atleast he knows how to run a business.

How about this...if someone in the government knows "Top-Secret" material, but they quit the government job, or are forced out even, can they divulge the material they know? No, they would be jailed for treason. I admit, being a multi on CC is not as serious as knowing who the spies are in China or whatever, but that is one of CC's secrets. Therefore wicked committed CC's version of "treason" and was summarily "executed" if you will.

good analogy.
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Re: Regarding wicked (part 2)

Postby Ditocoaf on Thu Jul 24, 2008 9:54 pm

It's disappointing, but it sounds like she deserved it. What a way to go…

Does anybody else see the irony in that all the people who thought they were defending her with the trolling, spamming, and multi "revolution," ultimately were the biggest contributors to her banning?
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Re: Regarding wicked (part 2)

Postby The Fuzzy Pengui on Thu Jul 24, 2008 9:54 pm

Orange-Idaho-Dog wrote:Well, I'm not gonna waste time posting my opinion when the admins of this site clearly don't care. If Wicked doesn't 'work' for you anymore, how is binded to an agreement? Wait wait, let me guess... You can't shed light on the subject with your community because Twill said not to? :lol:

Get a life Lack, give the site to Twill atleast... He shares his opinion on things, and doesn't let anyone else make decisions for him. I still think he's a giant jackass :P But atleast he knows how to run a business.

I'm assuming there would be a clause in the contract (because it's only logical) that even if she is no longer affiliated with the site she is still legally not allowed to disclose any information regarding multi-hunting techniques. If this wasn't the case then I feel she would have left a long time ago and done what she is doing now. She only started disclosing the information because she felt ticked off at the admins for their decisions she found "unfair". If you work at a bank and steal a few dollars here and there and then quit or are fired, if they find out after the fact you will still be hold accountable for your situations. It's the same thing.

Oh, and lets refrain from the petty name calling ;)
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Re: Regarding wicked (part 2)

Postby hulmey on Thu Jul 24, 2008 10:10 pm

Scott-Land wrote:
peanutsdad wrote:. Post the evidence or there will forever be speculation that this was just lack being vindictive and untruthful.......


I certainly have a problem with this statement as Lack has no obligation to do such a thing. It's laughable to even ask. As far as debating or whatnot- there will always be some that will cry for the sake of crying.

If Wicked think it's unjust, it's certainly her right to appeal. I highly doubt it especially with her recent posts- but again it's none of our business.


I thought were you more intelligent scott-land. Lackattack has brought this to us in the forums not the other way around. I quite agree its non of my business but since this has been thrust apon us and wicked's name slandered (also potential lawsuit) then i have every right to ask for more details.

If it was my site, I would offer no explanation and details and quote the Data Protection Act. However, this path has not been followed. So maybe the mods defending lacks desicion to bring this to the public arena shoud STFU!!
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Re: Regarding wicked (part 2)

Postby hulmey on Thu Jul 24, 2008 10:12 pm

lancehoch wrote:
Orange-Idaho-Dog wrote:Well, I'm not gonna waste time posting my opinion when the admins of this site clearly don't care. If Wicked doesn't 'work' for you anymore, how is binded to an agreement? Wait wait, let me guess... You can't shed light on the subject with your community because Twill said not to? :lol:

Get a life Lack, give the site to Twill atleast... He shares his opinion on things, and doesn't let anyone else make decisions for him. I still think he's a giant jackass :P But atleast he knows how to run a business.

How about this...if someone in the government knows "Top-Secret" material, but they quit the government job, or are forced out even, can they divulge the material they know? No, they would be jailed for treason. I admit, being a multi on CC is not as serious as knowing who the spies are in China or whatever, but that is one of CC's secrets. Therefore wicked committed CC's version of "treason" and was summarily "executed" if you will.


how the hell are you a mod? Your quite dumb!!
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Re: Regarding wicked (part 2)

Postby Unit_2 on Thu Jul 24, 2008 10:14 pm

There was NO time frame defined in the confidentiality agreement, and therefore it is not binding after termination.

/me high fives OID
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Re: Regarding wicked (part 2)

Postby Orange-Idaho-Dog on Thu Jul 24, 2008 10:15 pm

Haha, yeah Fuzzy... I'm the first person ever to call Twill a jackass... Stealing from a bank is different, its illegal by US/Canada/where ever the hell you live's laws. Although this will go against what I posted in my first post, according to certain posts throughtout the multiple threads Wicked was never 'hired' and was a volunteer. That would mean no contract.
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Re: Regarding wicked (part 2)

Postby hulmey on Thu Jul 24, 2008 10:16 pm

Unit_2 wrote:There was NO time frame defined in the confidentiality agreement, and therefore it is not binding after termination.

/me high fives OID


in some cases after Termination contracts are even more binding!!
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Re: Regarding wicked (part 2)

Postby Ditocoaf on Thu Jul 24, 2008 10:16 pm

hulmey wrote:
lancehoch wrote:
Orange-Idaho-Dog wrote:Well, I'm not gonna waste time posting my opinion when the admins of this site clearly don't care. If Wicked doesn't 'work' for you anymore, how is binded to an agreement? Wait wait, let me guess... You can't shed light on the subject with your community because Twill said not to? :lol:

Get a life Lack, give the site to Twill atleast... He shares his opinion on things, and doesn't let anyone else make decisions for him. I still think he's a giant jackass :P But atleast he knows how to run a business.

How about this...if someone in the government knows "Top-Secret" material, but they quit the government job, or are forced out even, can they divulge the material they know? No, they would be jailed for treason. I admit, being a multi on CC is not as serious as knowing who the spies are in China or whatever, but that is one of CC's secrets. Therefore wicked committed CC's version of "treason" and was summarily "executed" if you will.


how the hell are you a mod? Your quite dumb!!

Dude... if wicked really did divulge multi-hunting techniques, then she deserves the ban. I have no clue if she did, but why would lack make that up, just to bring more anger against him?
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Re: Regarding wicked (part 2)

Postby General Quigley on Thu Jul 24, 2008 10:17 pm

Because lach owns the site and wants us to have a good gaming experience he is one of the good guys and deserves our support in return. I can't believe I am the first in six pages of junky posts to be pointing out what should be so obvious.

From my direct dealings with Wicked, and from my formal study of psychology, it quickly became clear to me that Wicked's problem is more than a mere character flaw here and there. It is actually a full-blown personality disorder. One of the things that convinced me was reading her post trying to use Lyme's Disease as an excuse for her actions. People with a personality disorder such as Wicked's are master manipulators as well as unable to see themselves ever truly being in the wrong. When it becomes clear they can no longer offer a remotely plausible explanation for morality of their decisions they will stretch to any extreme to justify their actions. Blaming Lyme's Disease is just such an extreme.

What no one has mentioned, and my chief concern going forward, is that despite Wicked's perma-banning she may still have considerable ability as well as motivation (a result of her personality disorder) to do further harm to the site. She will probably not give up easily and will no doubt attempt to return under other identities. There is no question of the possibility that someone with her personality disorder could come to truly regret her actions, or come to sincerely believe she brought the justifiable consequences upon herself, and then consider truly reforming. To hold out this hope is precisiely the self-delusional thinking Wicked is hoping to gain by. Power (through manipulation) is all that people with this personality disorder are truly after.

To protect the integrity of this gaming experience for us all, I think gratitude to lach for his vigilance and for his quick, decisive action on all of our behalf is clearly in order. I hope and call on those who know or can figure out what further harm Wicked can do to this site to help Lach by keeping him informed. She has come out as an open enemy of this site and is clearly a force to be reckoned with -- to all of our (the honest customers) loss.

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Re: Regarding wicked (part 2)

Postby Orange-Idaho-Dog on Thu Jul 24, 2008 10:22 pm

Although not likely, it could have just been an elaborate scheme to ban Wicked. I'm sure Twill would say anything to Lack to make that happen.
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Re: Regarding wicked (part 2)

Postby hulmey on Thu Jul 24, 2008 10:26 pm

General Quigley wrote:Because lach owns the site and wants us to have a good gaming experience he is one of the good guys and deserves our support in return. I can't believe I am the first in six pages of junky posts to be pointing out what should be so obvious.

From my direct dealings with Wicked, and from my formal study of psychology, it quickly became clear to me that Wicked's problem is more than a mere character flaw here and there. It is actually a full-blown personality disorder. One of the things that convinced me was reading her post trying to use Lyme's Disease as an excuse for her actions. People with a personality disorder such as Wicked's are master manipulators as well as unable to see themselves ever truly being in the wrong. When it becomes clear they can no longer offer a remotely plausible explanation for morality of their decisions they will stretch to any extreme to justify their actions. Blaming Lyme's Disease is just such an extreme.

What no one has mentioned, and my chief concern going forward, is that despite Wicked's perma-banning she may still have considerable ability as well as motivation (a result of her personality disorder) to do further harm to the site. She will probably not give up easily and will no doubt attempt to return under other identities. There is no question of the possibility that someone with her personality disorder could come to truly regret her actions, or come to sincerely believe she brought the justifiable consequences upon herself, and then consider truly reforming. To hold out this hope is precisiely the self-delusional thinking Wicked is hoping to gain by. Power (through manipulation) is all that people with this personality disorder are truly after.

To protect the integrity of this gaming experience for us all, I think gratitude to lach for his vigilance and for his quick, decisive action on all of our behalf is clearly in order. I hope and call on those who know or can figure out what further harm Wicked can do to this site to help Lach by keeping him informed. She has come out as an open enemy of this site and is clearly a force to be reckoned with -- to all of our (the honest customers) loss.

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Re: Regarding wicked (part 2)

Postby lord voldemort on Thu Jul 24, 2008 10:33 pm

this all depends on if wicked signed a contract
if she didnt then lack pretty much has no right to ban her for that...
even though wat she did was tactless
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Re: Regarding wicked (part 2)

Postby decoulombe on Thu Jul 24, 2008 10:39 pm

:( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :(

Can someone from the admin side at least hold our game until she comes back. --Decoulombe :cry: :cry: :cry:
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Re: Regarding wicked (part 2)

Postby FabledIntegral on Thu Jul 24, 2008 10:47 pm

Out of curiosity where did this whole "Twill is an egomanic asshole" come about? I personally haven't seen any of his posts being arrogant, but maybe that's because I haven't seen him really post at all. Where are all these posts of his?
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Re: Regarding wicked (part 2)

Postby hulmey on Thu Jul 24, 2008 10:59 pm

FabledIntegral wrote:Out of curiosity where did this whole "Twill is an egomanic asshole" come about? I personally haven't seen any of his posts being arrogant, but maybe that's because I haven't seen him really post at all. Where are all these posts of his?


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Re: Regarding wicked (part 2)

Postby lord voldemort on Thu Jul 24, 2008 11:05 pm

FabledIntegral wrote:Out of curiosity where did this whole "Twill is an egomanic asshole" come about? I personally haven't seen any of his posts being arrogant, but maybe that's because I haven't seen him really post at all. Where are all these posts of his?

alot of it is behind the scenes....if your in cc circles well enuf...ie more than the average poster..than u learn things
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Re: Regarding wicked (part 2)

Postby SlayerQC on Thu Jul 24, 2008 11:13 pm

Dangerous-Die wrote:sadly wicked has turned as she feels betrayed.

it is most likely that she has taken the attitude, sod it - they dont appreciate me and therefore i will show them what it 'would be like' if i dont spend half my life on 'patrol'.

All she has actually done by stirring a bit is bought the chaos that faced us in a month or so that much closer.

Cast creations on multis.

Vast amounts of trolling etc etc.

Yes i am in the Wicked camp.

In my view, she has worked herself to the bone trying to make this site as 'right as possible' in HER vision of it. For that she has clearly trodden on toes and when the axe has fallen the person with the ultimate 'power' has dropped against her.

Now all she has been trying to do is - in a wierd way - prove her value.

Important lesson to learn here - - (that i am actually learning IRL myslef at this time) - if you work for a small business the bosses word is law. Weither the boss is right or wrong - - he/she is the one that can just say - - piss off - your history.

Once you walk that fine line where you are becoming enough of a pain in the ass the said owner - then no matter how good you are - you are probably not worth the stress - boss man - pecieves he is getting.

As my employer said to me the other day - you can win or lose arguments inside the business - - you cannot win an argument if your OUTSIDE the business.

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Exactly why ive learn to shut the hell up and let them be fools. Sometime sit's tough to shut my mouth though, but if I opene dit, eventually, i would be put aside or fired.
Most owners should listen to the right people, specially the dedicated.

Not sure which side im on, but lack's post 2 LACKs the effort, again while wicked was quite dedicated in her first few posts.
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