[SCBD] Scoreboard for Freestyle and Sequential

[FabledIntegral]

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sure, why not... this is something as simple as the Olympics...

in the Olympics there is NOT one scoreboard of the best athletes in point order,
but rather a list of each event, showing the best of each...

Afterall... How do you compare swimmers to pole vaulters???

Swimmers > pole vaulters.

(comes from a person who was on the swim team in high school)

[Robinette]

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sure, why not... this is something as simple as the Olympics...

in the Olympics there is NOT one scoreboard of the best athletes in point order,
but rather a list of each event, showing the best of each...

Afterall... How do you compare swimmers to pole vaulters???

Swimmers > pole vaulters.

(comes from a person who was on the swim team in high school)

swimmers may have more muscles, but women pole vaulters are better looking...

therefore... pole vaulters > Swimmers



But seriously... this is just like game types...some choose to be specialists, some choose a small assortment, and still others want a huge variety...

[Qwert]

by King Dain II on Wed Aug 13, 2008 11:11 pm

Why not have a game finder type scoreboard? Basically on top of the page there will be a search which is exactly like game finder, but instead of showing the games, it will show people and their scores with only the type of game you selected. So then you can see a team scoreboard, a terminator, assasin, sequential, freestyle, escalating, by maps, by number of players, by only tournament games, by fog, no fog...

It would make a nearly infinite number of scoreboards, some of which would have barely any people on them, yet the all maps, all settings scoreboard should always be on the page, the others will be through a customized scoreboard link at the top.

If we have all these,then what will Blitz work,hes statistic will be pointles

[Blitzaholic]

by King Dain II on Wed Aug 13, 2008 11:11 pm

Why not have a game finder type scoreboard? Basically on top of the page there will be a search which is exactly like game finder, but instead of showing the games, it will show people and their scores with only the type of game you selected. So then you can see a team scoreboard, a terminator, assasin, sequential, freestyle, escalating, by maps, by number of players, by only tournament games, by fog, no fog...

It would make a nearly infinite number of scoreboards, some of which would have barely any people on them, yet the all maps, all settings scoreboard should always be on the page, the others will be through a customized scoreboard link at the top.

If we have all these,then what will Blitz work,hes statistic will be pointles

Thats fine by me, I agree with king dain II post

[Kemmler]

by King Dain II on Wed Aug 13, 2008 11:11 pm

Why not have a game finder type scoreboard? Basically on top of the page there will be a search which is exactly like game finder, but instead of showing the games, it will show people and their scores with only the type of game you selected. So then you can see a team scoreboard, a terminator, assasin, sequential, freestyle, escalating, by maps, by number of players, by only tournament games, by fog, no fog...

It would make a nearly infinite number of scoreboards, some of which would have barely any people on them, yet the all maps, all settings scoreboard should always be on the page, the others will be through a customized scoreboard link at the top.

If we have all these,then what will Blitz work,hes statistic will be pointles

Thats fine by me, I agree with king dain II post

Yeah that's an awesome idea. then everyone's happy

[King Dain II]

Should we put this in the Suggestions and Bug Reports forum, then?

[Blitzaholic]

That's very cool Blitz. I was going to post the suggestion myself last week or so but got cold feet.

ty hatch

I thought maybe leave the scoreboard alone and just have a top 25 thread for freestyle scores and top 25 with just sequential scores

[Paddy The Cat]

mods move?

ps-voted to keep it the same.. once you change that, youll have to make one for escalating, flat, and no cards, then forts, then team games, etc

[Pedronicus]

Sorry to go off topic, but this bird could practice on my pole 24/7 and I'd never get bored

[Pedronicus]

Back on Topic, I voted leave it alone.

The idea of this site doing something new is a waste of time wanting or waiting for it to happen. When Lack ran this site alongside his regular job, I understood that things would take some time to be implemented, but when he gave up work to concentrate on the site - the amount of new stuff coming along didn't increase as i was expecting.

Clickable maps should be at the top of the to do list, because it's a great addition how to play maps like conquer man where it's just a drop down menu of co-ordinates that make the job of army placement harder.

Of all the grease monkey extensions made by other people over the years, the card counter was essential but took ages to be implemented by the site. All of the grease extensions made by players that give a player an advantage should of been added to the site.
That way the only thing that gives a player an advantage is computer/connection speed and Lack can't control that. Then the scoreboard would be fairer without the need for sortable scoreboards.

When I see how many times I have to download the latest tweaked map rank extension, it just shows how little work is done by the site who we pay money to, compared to one guy who is doing it for the love of the game, off his own back, for anyone to use, for free.

[jiminski]

Sorry to go off topic, but this bird could practice on my pole 24/7 and I'd never get bored

ohh good lord!

that Russian Vaulter, Slinki Polova, really grabs my attention...

mmmm ... well back on topic; i agree with everything Nette said in this thread.. whatever it was!

[lordhaha]

I think the 2 scoreboards would be a fairer reflection on the real standings of players on CC.
At very best I have a 3 second lag when playing freestyle speed and therefore am not able to compete. Most if not all players at the top of the Scoreboard get most of there points through Freestyle speed.

1 for sequential and 1 for freestyle. or at least have a breakdown on the current scoreboard.

[Blitzaholic]

I quite simply agree that the scoreboard should always be left alone




what i am simply asking is if someone would be willing to create a THREAD in here under general discussion of top 25 scores for freestyle games only and tOp 25 score of players for sequential games only


example, harryboobee player if you add all his games freestyle he may have a score of 2123 and add is sequential score games only , he may have a score of 2001, on the scoreboard it shows 4124, see what i mean now

[Hatchman]

You start the thread Blitz, and people can submit their Freestyle/Sequential scores voluntarily. Of course you'd have to update it every now and then as people from the first "top" 25 are knocked out by new score submissions.

[jiminski]

Surely Chip can work something out.

[Hatchman]

Forgot to ask, are we talking strictly singles record?

[Blitzaholic]

Forgot to ask, are we talking strictly singles record?

no


any and all games played freestyle and that players score

any and all games played sequential and that players score


so it can be teams and singles and one score but all freestyle only games and same with sequential

[Blitzaholic]

Surely Chip can work something out.

I asked and he said anyone could do it?

[Blitzaholic]

You start the thread Blitz, and people can submit their Freestyle/Sequential scores voluntarily. Of course you'd have to update it every now and then as people from the first "top" 25 are knocked out by new score submissions.

I would my friend, but I have too much now that i am managing, plus you always need to check to make sure players are reporting honestly, I just got my hands full












with, well, jimbo knows

[Pedronicus]

all of this shit is bollox.

the site should provide this info, not us lot.

[Scott-Land]

No matter how many threads you make categorizing game types seq, freestyle, noob farming, or public team games- at the end of the day the only thing will matter is the scoreboard and for the majority; it doesn't mean much. Everyone will always criticize and have their own ideals on why someone isn't deserving of their rank albeit setting up preset teams to beat noobs, 1 vs 1 noobs, clickable maps or whatever. tbh- the self proclaiming thread is just a tool to boost our egos or perhaps our inadequacies.

[Blitzaholic]

No matter how many threads you make categorizing game types seq, freestyle, noob farming, or public team games- at the end of the day the only thing will matter is the scoreboard and for the majority; it doesn't mean much. Everyone will always criticize and have their own ideals on why someone isn't deserving of their rank albeit setting up preset teams to beat noobs, 1 vs 1 noobs, clickable maps or whatever. tbh- the self proclaiming thread is just a tool to boost our egos or perhaps our inadequacies.

good points, lol, or could be just curiosity


i mean what gave me the idea was some players have over 4000 score on certain maps and yet there overall score on the scoreboard is like 2000?? you know so just curious, it could also show many there strengths and weaknesses, what they are better at and what they may need to improve on, or what they should just stick with.

[Scott-Land]

No matter how many threads you make categorizing game types seq, freestyle, noob farming, or public team games- at the end of the day the only thing will matter is the scoreboard and for the majority; it doesn't mean much. Everyone will always criticize and have their own ideals on why someone isn't deserving of their rank albeit setting up preset teams to beat noobs, 1 vs 1 noobs, clickable maps or whatever. tbh- the self proclaiming thread is just a tool to boost our egos or perhaps our inadequacies.

good points, lol, or could be just curiosity


i mean what gave me the idea was some players have over 4000 score on certain maps and yet there overall score on the scoreboard is like 2000?? you know so just curious, it could also show many there strengths and weaknesses, what they are better at and what they may need to improve on, or what they should just stick with.

Without a doubt there will always be more respect for the stand, seq, esc games. Guys like you but more so Comic (he's strictly singles with a very small percentage of team games from status quo esc games being the most respected) that have hit #1 using that style is by far more credible than when I did- playing 8 man speed freestyle. But to defend players like myself, Rashid and Poo, the game isn't all about click and internet speed. I do wish more of the top players would play so they know how difficult of a game it is. Unfortunately it will never be respected because it will never or can be played as a top tier private game- the top freestyle players rarely play in the same game although it is a blast when Poo and Rashid are in the lineup.

I was just saying that there are SO many ways to accrue points these days that the scoreboard is indeed misleading- in that aspect I totally agree with you. The 6 man top tier private games are a joke right now because of that very reason- perhaps freestyle is the blame or perhaps speed anything is the real culprit.

[roadwarrior]

If you split up the scoreboard as suggested, we will end up with 2 lists that are still going to be afflicted with the kinds of flaws that the original list had. So that anyone can come up with endless arguments (valid or otherwise) why even those 2 lists will not indicate a player’s true abilities at that format. I do not think that this way is necessarily the best way.

There is a parallel discussion regards relative ranks and therein was suggested a framework that takes into account a player’s most recent play preferences. A player’s relative rank should be determined by the quality of his most recent opposition because these are the games that reflect the kind of player that he is currently. All games that fit his current preferences should determine his overall rank since they are relevant.

In addition to that, what would be interesting is to have a companion measure that tells us the relative performance of top players (top 50 or 100) vis a vis similarly ranked players. You can see from real life how this is the case. Teams and players of similar divisions are naturally matched with each other to see who really is the best.

Extending such an illustration to the case of CC, Take for example, Blitz is a kind of player who holds his own well no matter who occupies the top spot at the scoreboard. His performance against the top 4 players is currently at 31 games won -30, lost is a respectable record. I do not know what his record is against the other top 50 or 100 players but if it is good, I won’t be the least surprised.

If a player has a good relative rank coupled with a good peer performance vis a vis top ranked opponents, then one can say that he has a valid claim to be considered amongst the best compared with a player with a low relative rank and unknown record against top players.

[firstholliday]

yes yes yes yes i really really love this idea..
Especially the teams rating..

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