“Martial Law” Declared in Arkansas Town

[black elk speaks]

Enough about the damned Constitution, it's a piece of paper. The law is the retarded younger brother of justice, so let's stop talking about whether this is legal and start talking about whether it was right. The only reason that drastic actions like this should be taken is with the will of the people. Do most of them feel the actions taken are good ones, and that they have their best interests at heart? The answer to that question is the only one that should matter.

Seriously though, enough on the freaking Constitution. Damn.

that is what this whole argument is all about. I think it was right and that no constitutional rights were trampled. governments afford themselves the right to maintain order and the use of force to do so. you can argue that it should not have gotten to that point and you can argue that the police should have found another way. it just so happens that this way resulted in (i think) zero casualties. i think i am applauding the city for doing the unpopular thing (at least unpopular to juan, who refuses to thoroughly understand his actual rights and tantrum about his piecemeal understanding of them.)

[ksslemp]

Unbelievable... again the ACLU is on the wrong side. This is an emergency decree, obviously they have a serious issue and are trying to protect their citizens even if this is an extreme measure. although if they dont have enough law enforcement to stop the crime i dont think they would have enough police to enforce a curfew. I think the better way to go about handling this problem would be for the city to start issuing conceal and carry gun permits to their law-abiding citizens.

[black elk speaks]

Unbelievable... again the ACLU is on the wrong side. This is an emergency decree, obviously they have a serious issue and are trying to protect their citizens even if this is an extreme measure. I think the better way to go about handling this problem would be for the city to start issuing conceal and carry gun permits to their law-abiding citizens.

lol. you can't force people to carry a gun. i think i heard about some county somewhere trying that. it didn't fly. personally, i think that we should all be responsible for our won safety. i agree with you. you just can't force it. i don't think that is what you were suggesting, really, it just sounded funny.

its true that there needs to be something done there about the poverty and crime for the long term. but damn, you can blame the government. the government is the people, remember? say 'those poor people' all you want, but they are governing themselves. they subsidize themselves (or in this case, don't) with their own tax system.

[ksslemp]

I'm so Friggin' tired of these gang-banging pussies destroying communities and lives!!!

Make gangs Illegal!! and round up these ZEROS!!!

and who the f*ck said anything about "Forcing" people to carry guns? Can you Read? ROFLOL

[ksslemp]

my apologies Black Elk, i only read the first line of your response and blew up.

[Hydrargentium]

My favourite part was this quote from John McCain:

McCain: And some of those tactics — you mention the war in Iraq — are like that we use in the military. You go into neighborhoods, you clamp down, you provide a secure environment for the people that live there, and you make sure that the known criminals are kept under control. And you provide them with a stable environment and then they cooperate with law enforcement, etc, etc.

Yeah, because things are going so swimmingly well in Iraq, we'll be ready to leave tomorrow. Honest, we're only in there on a temporary basis to deal with a localized problem.

Hmmm.....

Hg

[ksslemp]

My favourite part was this quote from John McCain:

McCain: And some of those tactics — you mention the war in Iraq — are like that we use in the military. You go into neighborhoods, you clamp down, you provide a secure environment for the people that live there, and you make sure that the known criminals are kept under control. And you provide them with a stable environment and then they cooperate with law enforcement, etc, etc.

Yeah, because things are going so swimmingly well in Iraq, we'll be ready to leave tomorrow. Honest, we're only in there on a temporary basis to deal with a localized problem.

Hmmm.....

Hg

Make it legal to "cap" gang bangers and your problem is solved... I'd be out on the hunt every night!!
and this countries gang problem would be solved in 2 weeks! Guaranteed!

Oh No!! I forgot about their rights, i'm soooo sorry.

[MeDeFe]

Make it legal to "cap" gang bangers and your problem is solved... I'd be out on the hunt every night!!
and this countries gang problem would be solved in 2 weeks! Guaranteed!

Oh No!! I forgot about their rights, i'm soooo sorry.

Judge, Jury and Executioner in one, great idea! Now what does that remind me of again? Ah yes of course, the nice chap with the funny rectangular mustache, lovely fellow. Though to be fair, he also decreed the laws, at least you don't want to do that all by yourself. But what happens when you accidentally cap a fellow hunter? Or when an other hunter mistakes you for a gang banger? Sounds like all you'd accomplish is putting another gang on the streets.

[black elk speaks]

Make it legal to "cap" gang bangers and your problem is solved... I'd be out on the hunt every night!!
and this countries gang problem would be solved in 2 weeks! Guaranteed!

Oh No!! I forgot about their rights, i'm soooo sorry.

Judge, Jury and Executioner in one, great idea! Now what does that remind me of again? Ah yes of course, the nice chap with the funny rectangular mustache, lovely fellow. Though to be fair, he also decreed the laws, at least you don't want to do that all by yourself. But what happens when you accidentally cap a fellow hunter? Or when an other hunter mistakes you for a gang banger? Sounds like all you'd accomplish is putting another gang on the streets.

just require the hunters to wear blaze orange. everyone knows that gang bangers are color blind anyway

[Juan_Bottom]

You only hit upon the fifth... so I assume you agree with the rest?

[black elk speaks]

You only hit upon the fifth... so I assume you agree with the rest?

you haven't shown me just how it is that you mis-interpret the others, so i can't argue your points yet.

[Juan_Bottom]

You only hit upon the fifth... so I assume you agree with the rest?

you haven't shown me just how it is that you mis-interpret the others, so i can't argue your points yet.

Read in the parenthesis.

[black elk speaks]

The Fourth Amendment, specifically. I think Gabonx had a point in his post too.

Also, the First Amendment(right to assemble, right to petition), the Fifth Amendment(due process "nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law"), and possibly the 8th, 9th, and 10th Amendments...

I parenthesied specifically the parts I was talking about. Tell me that you couldn't have missed this....

i fail to see how the right to free speech is oppressed by the curfew. certainly the people maintain the right to express their disdain for the event. they could even organize and seek a permit to gather in the street, should they wish, and coordinate a march down the main street, should they wish it and i would bet that the mayor would not stop them. especially if the march was a civil statement of the people to the gang bangers that they are in support of the law enforcement coming to their streets and that the violence and crime will no longer be tolerated.

you offer no specifics about your mis understanding of the 8th, 9th or 10th amendments, so i cannot correct you on them.

[ksslemp]

Make it legal to "cap" gang bangers and your problem is solved... I'd be out on the hunt every night!!
and this countries gang problem would be solved in 2 weeks! Guaranteed!

Oh No!! I forgot about their rights, i'm soooo sorry.

Judge, Jury and Executioner in one, great idea! Now what does that remind me of again? Ah yes of course, the nice chap with the funny rectangular mustache, lovely fellow. Though to be fair, he also decreed the laws, at least you don't want to do that all by yourself. But what happens when you accidentally cap a fellow hunter? Or when an other hunter mistakes you for a gang banger? Sounds like all you'd accomplish is putting another gang on the streets.

You fucking live in Germany for christs sake!! what the f*ck would you know about gangs in America?
Answer: Nothing!

Any American can tell a regular citizen from a gang banger! any dickhead wearing either a red, blue or black bandana gets capped!!!
time to get rid of these oxygen thieves once and for all. Take back the streets of America, "Cap a Gang-Banger"! yeehaa

[black elk speaks]

Make it legal to "cap" gang bangers and your problem is solved... I'd be out on the hunt every night!!
and this countries gang problem would be solved in 2 weeks! Guaranteed!

Oh No!! I forgot about their rights, i'm soooo sorry.

Judge, Jury and Executioner in one, great idea! Now what does that remind me of again? Ah yes of course, the nice chap with the funny rectangular mustache, lovely fellow. Though to be fair, he also decreed the laws, at least you don't want to do that all by yourself. But what happens when you accidentally cap a fellow hunter? Or when an other hunter mistakes you for a gang banger? Sounds like all you'd accomplish is putting another gang on the streets.

You fucking live in Germany for christs sake!! what the f*ck would you know about gangs in America?
Answer: Nothing!

Any American can tell a regular citizen from a gang banger! any dickhead wearing either a red, blue or black bandana gets capped!!!
time to get rid of these oxygen thieves once and for all. Take back the streets of America, "Cap a Gang-Banger"! yeehaa

settle down there bronson. you do that and you are no better than them. then all it takes if for the goth kids to say "lets kill all the red neck jocks" and you would be in a world of trouble.

gang bangers are people too. somehow they either missed their opportunity to realize their potential as human beings or they never had the opportunity. the better option is to encourage people to thrive and build communities up from drug and violence infested cesspools of society to self sustained and productive neighborhoods. after all, if you want to kill criminals, there are plenty of white collared ones that you can go after. those bastards at ENRON would be my first choice. just kidding of course.

[Snorri1234]

unfortunately for your arguments, there is an exception to the rule, which, irrespective of your points, seems to me to have been the case, what with all the automatic weapon toting gang bangers running around for 4 days shooting up the town.

I wouldn't say it was a case of rebellion or invasion.

[Snorri1234]

Make it legal to "cap" gang bangers and your problem is solved... I'd be out on the hunt every night!!
and this countries gang problem would be solved in 2 weeks! Guaranteed!

Oh No!! I forgot about their rights, i'm soooo sorry.

Judge, Jury and Executioner in one, great idea! Now what does that remind me of again? Ah yes of course, the nice chap with the funny rectangular mustache, lovely fellow. Though to be fair, he also decreed the laws, at least you don't want to do that all by yourself. But what happens when you accidentally cap a fellow hunter? Or when an other hunter mistakes you for a gang banger? Sounds like all you'd accomplish is putting another gang on the streets.

You fucking live in Germany for christs sake!! what the f*ck would you know about gangs in America?
Answer: Nothing!

Any American can tell a regular citizen from a gang banger! any dickhead wearing either a red, blue or black bandana gets capped!!!
time to get rid of these oxygen thieves once and for all. Take back the streets of America, "Cap a Gang-Banger"! yeehaa

I can't tell whether you're joking or not.

[black elk speaks]

unfortunately for your arguments, there is an exception to the rule, which, irrespective of your points, seems to me to have been the case, what with all the automatic weapon toting gang bangers running around for 4 days shooting up the town.

I wouldn't say it was a case of rebellion or invasion.

you may have a good argument there. but regardless, the general public was in danger, can we agree to that?

[Juan_Bottom]

The Fourth Amendment, specifically. I think Gabonx had a point in his post too.

Also, the First Amendment(right to assemble, right to petition), the Fifth Amendment(due process "nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law"), and possibly the 8th, 9th, and 10th Amendments...

I parenthesied specifically the parts I was talking about. Tell me that you couldn't have missed this....

i fail to see how the right to free speech is oppressed by the curfew. certainly the people maintain the right to express their disdain for the event. they could even organize and seek a permit to gather in the street, should they wish, and coordinate a march down the main street, should they wish it and i would bet that the mayor would not stop them. especially if the march was a civil statement of the people to the gang bangers that they are in support of the law enforcement coming to their streets and that the violence and crime will no longer be tolerated.

you offer no specifics about your mis understanding of the 8th, 9th or 10th amendments, so i cannot correct you on them.

Am I the only American that thinks that requiring permits to march is unconstitutional? Because by denying them you deny free speach?
I just finally realized that you are only trying to be arguementative...... huh....