site-wide competative clan rankings

[Juan_Bottom]

I know this sounds silly, but, Is there any way to do this?

And what are the unofficial standings now?

[owenshooter]

I know this sounds silly, but, Is there any way to do this?

And what are the unofficial standings now?

your clan is tops... easily... all the rest of the clans dream of being what your clan is..-0

[Juan_Bottom]

That can't be true......
You forgot about the Weasel Commitee.......

Anyway, I guess I could understand why the BPBs wouldn't want to see their actual standings....... Zing!

[Timminz]

This kind of thing has been discussed before. It failed due (in part) to the fact that no one could agree on how the rankings should be decided. Oddly enough (broad generalization coming up), everyone wanted to use a system that benefited their clan more than others . I think it would be cool to see a clan scoreboard, of sorts, but it will require some hammering-out of the details before that can happen. I liked the idea of treating clans as players, and giving them each 1000 points to begin with, and using the same scoring method (loser's score/winner's score*20). This might not be a perfect method, as it wouldn't account for the difference between winning a challenge by 1 game, and winning by 20 games, but then again, you get the same score in a game whether you win it in round 2 or round 200, so maybe it could work.

[Juan_Bottom]

I liked the idea of treating clans as players, and giving them each 1000 points to begin with, and using the same scoring method (loser's score/winner's score*20).

That's exactly what I was thinking. Seems to be the fairest method. If you want your clan to be ranked, simply apply as competative.

everyone wanted to use a system that benefited their clan more than others .

This is what I was also wondering about. Infighting.... Some things will need special consideration though, like clan tourneys.

This might not be a perfect method, as it wouldn't account for the difference between winning a challenge by 1 game, and winning by 20 games, but then again, you get the same score in a game whether you win it in round 2 or round 200, so maybe it could work.

I never thought of this. I think it's irrelevent anyway, winning is winning.

I think this is the solution, whether or not the others agree though....

[max is gr8]

Unless each game counts as a game and the Clan put its and its members points on the line. In a similar way to 20 games in a tournament there would be 20 games in a challenge

[Timminz]

Unless each game counts as a game and the Clan put its and its members points on the line. In a similar way to 20 games in a tournament there would be 20 games in a challenge

Good point. I like it. We would need a new game type to go along with the public/private/tournament labels. a "Clan" label, would make it easier to keep track of which games are part of an official challenge, and which ones are just "friendlies". Also, this would make things such as the current Clan olympics, possible to factor into the clan rankings.

[Juan_Bottom]

Well, this is it. If there is no support for this, I think I'll just start keeping track myself.

What are the unofficial standings now?

[Bruceswar]

Well, this is it. If there is no support for this, I think I'll just start keeping track myself.

What are the unofficial standings now?

Check the callouts section. I am pretty sure it is blitz that has a clan ranking thread...

[Juan_Bottom]

It must be a dead thread. I didn't find it. Alls I found was the outdated list of clans.
I would like to ideally see an official board. Like how we have user rankings.

[hulmey]

Well, this is it. If there is no support for this, I think I'll just start keeping track myself.

What are the unofficial standings now?

Check the callouts section. I am pretty sure it is blitz that has a clan ranking thread...

No i did and its based on players cores who are in the clan. Timiniz's idead is sound and im 100% agreement with him. My clan would partake in such an idea. We could form a league. Those who want in the league all good and those that want dont join

PM me id you guys need any help getting this off the ground

[Smokingdude420]

Wow. I really like this idea. I think this could really work with a little time and effort.

[Pedronicus]

If there was some sort of clan leaderboard, I'd deffo get involved with more clan battles.
The scores wouldn't have to be 20 points from the start, because the players who belong to 'X' clan with loads of points are obviously that high in points because they know what they are doing.

After getting involved with CWC for the CC olympics tourney, I discovered that certain clan members were sadly lacking in stratagey.

This is one of the best ideas I've ever heard in over 2 years, and I'm surprised that this hasn't already been implimented after clan creation was included in the site.

I'm in about 5 clans, but would like to join up with CWC / Vets / SE / godless heathens etc if there was some sort of leaderboard to help a clan get further up the list.

10/10 idea Juan

[t-o-m]

I know this sounds silly, but, Is there any way to do this?

And what are the unofficial standings now?

your clan is tops... easily... all the rest of the clans dream of being what your clan is..-0

What clan is his?

[Timminz]

The scores wouldn't have to be 20 points from the start, because the players who belong to 'X' clan with loads of points are obviously that high in points because they know what they are doing.

I think the scores would have to start out at 1000 per clan. Otherwise we'll get into a long discussion, that leads nowhere, about how we should determine starting scores. Of course, this means that the scoreboard won't be truly representative of the actual ability within each clan at first, but, as with individual scores, after a while it should give us a pretty good idea.

[Juan_Bottom]

I know this sounds silly, but, Is there any way to do this?

And what are the unofficial standings now?

your clan is tops... easily... all the rest of the clans dream of being what your clan is..-0

What clan is his?

I'm the leader of the Godless Heathens(Athiests/Agnostics clan). But they're non-competative. The only competative clan 'm in is DBC.

After getting involved with CWC for the CC olympics tourney, I discovered that certain clan members were sadly lacking in stratagey.

Ditto, I'm learning that too.

If there was some sort of clan leaderboard, I'd deffo get involved with more clan battles.

I'm definitly thinking that there would be more clan-pride. I'd bet memberships in clans would rise too.

I think the scores would have to start out at 1000 per clan. Otherwise we'll get into a long discussion, that leads nowhere, about how we should determine starting scores. Of course, this means that the scoreboard won't be truly representative of the actual ability within each clan at first, but, as with individual scores, after a while it should give us a pretty good idea.

Agreed 100%
Now that we have the basic draft, where do we take this to?

[Smokingdude420]

DBC is greatest clan in the world. All other clans are run by little girls........ Sorry I wanted to throw that in. But yeah I really hope this gets up and running.

[Chariot of Fire]

A couple of thoughts.....

- scoring on the same basis as they do in CC won't work fairly for one simple reason: clanmates talk and cooperate. Put one quality player in a team with three cooks who will follow his every directive, and the opposing team may just as well be playing four officers (but they won't receive the score for it).

- obviate the need for a complex scoring system by adopting a ladder, just as they do in squash clubs. Beat a clan and you assume its place on the ladder and the beaten clan drops down one place. Make a rule that you can only re-challenge a clan after you've played all the other clans (to prevent everyone going for the top spot all the time). The higher-ranked clan has the prerogative to decline a challenge from a lesser-ranked clan UNLESS the lower-ranked has already played every clan below it OR the higher-ranked has not faced a challenge within one calendar month.

They are pretty much all the rules one needs, and there's no need for scoring nor concern about the rank of clan members who participate.

Seems good to me. Thoughts?

[Juan_Bottom]

Beat a clan and you assume its place on the ladder and the beaten clan drops down one place.

not a bad idea...

Make a rule that you can only re-challenge a clan after you've played all the other clans (to prevent everyone going for the top spot all the time). The higher-ranked clan has the prerogative to decline a challenge from a lesser-ranked clan UNLESS the lower-ranked has already played every clan below it OR the higher-ranked has not faced a challenge within one calendar month.

I hate this. Some clans aren't going to be in the mood to be humiliated constantly..... I forsee a lot of forfieting, with little "punishment..."
Plus, some challenges can take a friggin' month.

[owenshooter]

I'm definitly thinking that there would be more clan-pride. I'd bet memberships in clans would rise too.

if this is what you are thinking, you are just in the wrong clans or clan, period. i am very proud of the BpB and all the individuals that are members for their own unique reasons. some real life friends, some CC friends, some people that are foes some of us rarely/if ever defeated, etc... a rag tag bunch of uniquely connected individuals that all have a bit of "bandit" in them. if you aren't proud of your clan or clans, you are involved with the wrong people. and as far as membership goes. not everyone is interested in being in a clan, and not everyone has the right temperment for being in a clan. we are an invite only group and don't really have a cap, but when someone is obviously a bandit, we offer them membership without any hesitation, restrictions or rules... maybe you should work harder on your clan from within, then looking for an artificial clan ranking to raise your clans pride.-0

[Juan_Bottom]

if this is what you are thinking, you are just in the wrong clans or clan, period.

I wasn't specifically talking about my clan. Or any clan...
But you have a few that have petered out over time... I'm just saying that a ranking system may help stop this. Fewer dead clans.
Somebody should say, "hey everyone, have you seen our rank!?!?!? we dropped 7 places, we need to do something!"

I don't see how acheiving a goal wouldn't help clan pride.
I will concede though that this is a simple opinion. I don't know if it works in practice...

i am very proud of the BpB and all the individuals that are members for their own unique reasons.

I am proud as hell of my clans too!!!!!!! Please no one missunderstand me.

not everyone is interested in being in a clan, and not everyone has the right temperment for being in a clan.

At the same time, certianly non-clan members are going to be looking at the boards. It may very well get more people to consider joining, or forming a clan.

Anyway, alls I'm saying is this may be the tool to help keep clans active in many ways. Even bring some out into the light.


Ok, short news on the clan ranking system....
It appears as though the mods have some suprises in short order for us. In the near future there are supposed to be some new "clan tools" surfacing. None of them are supposed to have anything to do with a ranking system. However, it appears that this is something that the Mods have been discussing. Whether they were talking about it before this thread or not, I can't tell you. But! Perhaps, once these "tools" appear, the ranking system is to follow.
I don't know, they are all very tight-lipped about it.
But anyway, in case you were wondering, MarVal is supposed to be the Mod in charge of clans.

I would like to stress that this thread is on their 'radar.' There are some great ideas in here, and lets keep them coming.

[hulmey]

I'm definitly thinking that there would be more clan-pride. I'd bet memberships in clans would rise too.

if this is what you are thinking, you are just in the wrong clans or clan, period. i am very proud of the BpB and all the individuals that are members for their own unique reasons. some real life friends, some CC friends, some people that are foes some of us rarely/if ever defeated, etc... a rag tag bunch of uniquely connected individuals that all have a bit of "bandit" in them. if you aren't proud of your clan or clans, you are involved with the wrong people. and as far as membership goes. not everyone is interested in being in a clan, and not everyone has the right temperment for being in a clan. we are an invite only group and don't really have a cap, but when someone is obviously a bandit, we offer them membership without any hesitation, restrictions or rules... maybe you should work harder on your clan from within, then looking for an artificial clan ranking to raise your clans pride.-0

Artifical why? Its abit of fun, stop being so god damn serious!!

[General Mojo]

New clan tools surfacing? Do we really need more?

I mean, speaking for DRS, we've had many a clan tool surface....PeterClemenza....mcapizzi....siedshow.....the list goes on and on....and thats just DRS....i'd probably get in trouble if I didn't give props to hulmey, easily the biggest clan tool in all of CC...

[hulmey]

New clan tools surfacing? Do we really need more?

I mean, speaking for DRS, we've had many a clan tool surface....PeterClemenza....mcapizzi....siedshow.....the list goes on and on....and thats just DRS....i'd probably get in trouble if I didn't give props to hulmey, easily the biggest clan tool in all of CC...

Biggest clan tool, but you refuse to fight my clan - chicken!!! We gave you a chance, even though you have dishonoured yourself!

[Smokingdude420]

Damn that made me laugh.