multi-culturism

[billy07]

Sadly no time these days for dealing comics, nice earner it was as well
Sounds though like there might be a nice market for flogging Nazi memorabilia in your part of the world, perhaps you might give up the labouring and give that a go [/quote

i never mix buisness with pleasure.

Multiculturalism works, it has for millennia.
It is the uneasy marriage of the stupid to the wise which causes most strife within a society.

palestine/israel being a perfect example.



i.e., Racists/Bigots don't have to be proven dumb, they show themselves to be without the need for anyone's help.

if you feed somebody, give them freedom, give them housing, respect their ways and beliefs.in general an allround better way of living. then that person repays you by bombing your people and wanting to change your ways and beliefs.

but still you try to give them more and an even stronger foothold. then who is stupid?

[Iliad]

Sadly no time these days for dealing comics, nice earner it was as well
Sounds though like there might be a nice market for flogging Nazi memorabilia in your part of the world, perhaps you might give up the labouring and give that a go [/quote

i never mix buisness with pleasure.

Multiculturalism works, it has for millennia.
It is the uneasy marriage of the stupid to the wise which causes most strife within a society.

palestine/israel being a perfect example.



i.e., Racists/Bigots don't have to be proven dumb, they show themselves to be without the need for anyone's help.

if you feed somebody, give them freedom, give them housing, respect their ways and beliefs.in general an allround better way of living. then that person repays you by bombing your people and wanting to change your ways and beliefs.

but still you try to give them more and an even stronger foothold. then who is stupid?

Cause every immigrant is a bomber. EVERY LAST ONE!

[Dancing Mustard]

Come on guys, let's just say the N-bomb and have done with it eh? I mean, that's where this is all headed, right?

[comic boy]

What seems to have escaped the OP is that, for example, the Indian community in Britain is
far more industrious and educationally able than pretty much anybody else . Not that minor things like facts are likely to get in the way of a nice bit of ignorant scapegoating, just blame Johnny Foreigner for everything

[Dancing Mustard]

Yeah, you're right! This is all that JohnnyRocket24's fault! Him and his stupid points and statistics and idle boasting... he ruins this forum for everyone. We ought to take away his visa and throw him out.

[PLAYER57832]

obviously it doesn't work. each race will always prefer and seek the people of their own race.

While we have the middle classes running the country from their affluent suburbs, this once great nation will continue to be brought to it's knees!

it's too easy to upset the working class whites and get away with it, but perish the thought of upsetting a muslim family whose sole contribution to britain has been to collect benefits, receive free housing (with grants for decorating, white goods and furniture) and bring up around an average of 6 kids for even more benefits

obviously there is no quick solution to the ever growing problems but i just wonder what would happen, if we decided to live like they do!

things would change quick fucking smart.

Not even close. For one thing, the whole concept of race varies from culture to culture.

Are some immigrants on welfare? Some folks of color doing poorly ... of course! BUT so are many whites.

On the other hand the world has benefited greatly from the many contributions of people from all sorts of cultures. Things invented by folks of color range from Gun powder to Algebra to pumps to the cotton gin to ... etc etc etc etc.

White advances are only evident in the past few hundred years. I means only that we happen to be temporarily on top right now. Look at real WORLD history and you find such periods of domination vary considerably. Our period has been much shorter than that of other cultures ...and evidence seems to show we will quickly be falling from the top, replaced either by Asia or South Americans.


But if you were interested in truth, you would never have posted.
So, go on and believe your hatred ... revel in your anger ...and see exactly how far it takes you and your kids down! Want and example? Look at Mississippi and Alabama ... neither have been exactly well known for their advancements. Only very recently, when racism has been largely (by no means entirely) put aside are gains finally coming again. Take THAT to your hateful friends!

[billy07]

billy07 wrote:




Cause every immigrant is a bomber. EVERY LAST ONE!

ONE is too many!



Not even close. For one thing, the whole concept of race varies from culture to culture.

Are some immigrants on welfare? Some folks of color doing poorly ... of course! BUT so are many whites.

On the other hand the world has benefited greatly from the many contributions of people from all sorts of cultures. Things invented by folks of color range from Gun powder to Algebra to pumps to the cotton gin to ... etc etc etc etc.

White advances are only evident in the past few hundred years. I means only that we happen to be temporarily on top right now. Look at real WORLD history and you find such periods of domination vary considerably. Our period has been much shorter than that of other cultures ...and evidence seems to show we will quickly be falling from the top, replaced either by Asia or South Americans.


But if you were interested in truth, you would never have posted.
So, go on and believe your hatred ... revel in your anger ...and see exactly how far it takes you and your kids down! Want and example? Look at Mississippi and Alabama ... neither have been exactly well known for their advancements. Only very recently, when racism has been largely (by no means entirely) put aside are gains finally coming again. Take THAT to your hateful friends![/quote]


thank you for the vague history lesson.

you must admit however that there have been huge strides forward over the last few hundred years. in every way imaginable. we have also tried to live in a civilised manner!

throughout history however, it would seem that civility is beyond muslims. the qu'ran can be misinterpreted or not, whatever the case. to justify hate and the murder of innocent women and children, to be rewarded with a place in paradice!

yes, of course there is only a minority of extremists but that is still too many.

What seems to have escaped the OP is that, for example, the Indian community in Britain is
far more industrious and educationally able than pretty much anybody else . Not that minor things like facts are likely to get in the way of a nice bit of ignorant scapegoating, just blame Johnny Foreigner for everything

i agree that by nature the indian people are an industrious race and also rather respectful. if not prone to scullduggery.

now you seem to have derailed things a little.

your profiles say you live in london! why not take a walk through dalston high street on friday afternoon and see for yourself how many different races mix. before that, on friday morning. you could have a nice leisurely walk to a mosque. maybe sit within 20metres of said mosque and start reading the bible?

after doing this comeback and share with us the respect and love you felt! until then keep reading the beano.

[PLAYER57832]

[ [color=#FF0000]thank you for the vague history lesson.

you must admit however that there have been huge strides forward over the last few hundred years. in every way imaginable. we have also tried to live in a civilised manner!

throughout history however, it would seem that civility is beyond muslims. the qu'ran can be misinterpreted or not, whatever the case. to justify hate and the murder of innocent women and children, to be rewarded with a place in paradice!

Yeah, NOTHING like the inquisition, the Crusades, the KKK, ... to name a few "shining" examples of Christian love and tolerance. Even the Nazis, though anti ALL religion, found listening ears in the Christian church.

Hatred is found everywhere.

As for the advancements. You could say that, but we have also invented mustard gas, the atomic bomb, major pollution, and effectively created a world in which fewer and fewer people really have a chance to advance.

THAT is the real irony here. HIstory shows that the "other" is always convenient to blame. But, guess who really benefits. Why folks like you are attacking folks who look different, those at the top are still doing quite well. Instead of turning your anger to your Muslim neighbors who want the same things you do ...even if some young idiots in the group make less than intelligent choices (as, I would say do MANY young individuals), you could try uniting with them to get ALL of you what you want.

BUT, that would cause too much difficulty ... better to just attack each other. Be a pasty. Fall into hatred. Working together is just too much work!

[Iz Man]

On the other hand the world has benefited greatly from the many contributions of people from all sorts of cultures. Things invented by folks of color range from Gun powder to Algebra to pumps to the cotton gin to ... etc etc etc etc.

Eli Whitney (the inventor of the cotton gin) was a white guy.....just FYI....
http://inventors.about.com/od/cstartinv ... on_gin.htm

[mpjh]

The vast majority of the poor, and thus those obtaining some pathetic state support, are Caucasian.

[Frigidus]

thank you for the vague history lesson.

you must admit however that there have been huge strides forward over the last few hundred years. in every way imaginable. we have also tried to live in a civilised manner!

throughout history however, it would seem that civility is beyond muslims. the qu'ran can be misinterpreted or not, whatever the case. to justify hate and the murder of innocent women and children, to be rewarded with a place in paradice!

yes, of course there is only a minority of extremists but that is still too many.

Throughout history? Hardly. Looking back in history, during the times of the Crusades Middle Easterners were vastly beyond us in culture, scientific achievement, and (arguably) honor. It has only been very recently that they have become "uncivilized", but that's only been in retaliation to our continually present military. Fact is, if we're going to run an empire people are going to act "uncivilized" towards us. Frankly, looking at all of the terrorist attacks that have happened since 9/11 (all 0 of them) it seems to me that we hardly need to be worried about suicide bombers and the like.

Blocking people seeking legal immigration hardly lowers animosity against our country, and it does nothing to deter a determined terrorist. Heck, he could just waltz on over the Mexican border if he really wanted to get us. The thing is, there are probably the same proportion of lunatics over there as there are over here. Some people are just fucking crazy. Blaming an entire tone of skin color is not the correct response to this.

[comic boy]

Beano = Comic intended for fun,not to be taken seriously.
Nazi propoganda sheets = Comics designed for hate, only taken seriously by those too weak minded to study history and apply logical thought to what they read.


So the readers of which are the ignorant buffoons ?

[HapSmo19]

This is no BS. About fifteen years ago, I lived in a large metro area. I rode my bicylcle to work twelve miles each way. This ride took me through neighborhoods of varying cultures. I would get called racist names and have things thrown at me just for being white and riding down certain streets. It just so happened that the fastest route took me down a street in a mexican neighborhood. The first time I went down it, a mexican guy came flying out of his house in his bare feet, chasing me, saying "Your ******* dead gringo!". I boogied down the road leaving him in the dust. That was the first time I had experinced racism. I had to change up my route and only take that fast way once a week because he would be waiting for. It almost never failed. 90% of the times I rode down that street he would come out chasing me, sometimes throwing rocks and sometimes with a baseball bat. I eventually started having fun with it cause I knew there was no way he was gonna catch me(I was an expert street bmx rider). I would let him chase me and deplete his rock supply and as soon as he stopped running, I would ride circles in the street until he started chasing me again. I'd keep doing the same thing until he gave up. He would cuss me out, telling me I'm dead if he catches me. I never said a word to him, ever. I didn't know why he was doing it and I really didn't care. I accepted it as a fact of life and human nature that some people just don't like other races. There was gonna be no talking it out. I never cried about it or went to the police or called the ACLU(not like they'd care about racist attacks on a white guy). Anyway,the last time I went down that street, two of them came flying out of the house, one with rocks and the other with a baseball bat. They apparently were watching up the street and came out with a good angle on me. I broke left, hopped the curb up onto the sidewalk behind a car on the opposite side of the street and they ran into echother just like the two-stooges and went down into the side of the car. Hahahahaha! It was totally awesome. I rode up the street about a hundred feet and started riding circles while they threw their rocks at me. Then his buddy came running after me and let me tell you, this little dude was fast and only missed grabbing me by about three inches. Oh the things they were yelling after this one This was only the last time I ran the gaunlet of excitement and laughter because of the death threats I recieved from my co-workers in the 98% hispanic blacksmiths union in which I was an apprentice. They tried to jump me down the street from work one day after my shift. They went on strike with full pay benifits($19 hour) through the union while I made $7.00hr as a non-union apprentice. They expected me to stand next to them and starve and go homeless apparently. So I used my supreme cycling skills to escape their attack on me as well The owner of the company(a white guy) began shuttling the rest of us to and from work after that until the strike ended and I had no choice but to quit due to death threats and threats of workplace "accidents".

So tell me all about racism.......

[Frigidus]

This is no BS. About fifteen years ago, I lived in a large metro area. I rode my bicylcle to work twelve miles each way. This ride took me through neighborhoods of varying cultures. I would get called racist names and have things thrown at me just for being white and riding down certain streets. It just so happened that the fastest route took me down a street in a mexican neighborhood. The first time I went down it, a mexican guy came flying out of his house in his bare feet, chasing me, saying "Your ******* dead gringo!". I boogied down the road leaving him in the dust. That was the first time I had experinced racism. I had to change up my route and only take that fast way once a week because he would be waiting for. It almost never failed. 90% of the times I rode down that street he would come out chasing me, sometimes throwing rocks and sometimes with a baseball bat. I eventually started having fun with it cause I knew there was no way he was gonna catch me(I was an expert street bmx rider). I would let him chase me and deplete his rock supply and as soon as he stopped running, I would ride circles in the street until he started chasing me again. I'd keep doing the same thing until he gave up. He would cuss me out, telling me I'm dead if he catches me. I never said a word to him, ever. I didn't know why he was doing it and I really didn't care. I accepted it as a fact of life and human nature that some people just don't like other races. There was gonna be no talking it out. I never cried about it or went to the police or called the ACLU(not like they'd care about racist attacks on a white guy). Anyway,the last time I went down that street, two of them came flying out of the house, one with rocks and the other with a baseball bat. They apparently were watching up the street and came out with a good angle on me. I broke left, hopped the curb up onto the sidewalk behind a car on the opposite side of the street and they ran into echother just like the two-stooges and went down into the side of the car. Hahahahaha! It was totally awesome. I rode up the street about a hundred feet and started riding circles while they threw their rocks at me. Then his buddy came running after me and let me tell you, this little dude was fast and only missed grabbing me by about three inches. Oh the things they were yelling after this one This was only the last time I ran the gaunlet of excitement and laughter because of the death threats I recieved from my co-workers in the 98% hispanic blacksmiths union in which I was an apprentice. They tried to jump me down the street from work one day after my shift. They went on strike with full pay benifits($19 hour) through the union while I made $7.00hr as a non-union apprentice. They expected me to stand next to them and starve and go homeless apparently. So I used my supreme cycling skills to escape their attack on me as well The owner of the company(a white guy) began shuttling the rest of us to and from work after that until the strike ended and I had no choice but to quit due to death threats and threats of workplace "accidents".

So tell me all about racism.......

Yah, racism isn't a white-only thing. What is your point? Are you supporting or rebuffing the claims made that multiculturalism is a "vile mingling"? Where, exactly, did anyone say "gosh, damned whitey always racisting it up"? This is completely off topic.

[HapSmo19]

Yah, racism isn't a white-only thing. What is your point? Are you supporting or rebuffing the claims made that multiculturalism is a "vile mingling"? Where, exactly, did anyone say "gosh, damned whitey always racisting it up"? This is completely off topic.

Oh yeah, completely off topic I was sharing a personal experience with multiculturalism. I wouldn't call it "vile mingling" as much as I would a "utopian pipe dream".

[mpjh]

Looks like they took their neighborhood back from the "gringo." Small gain for them in a city from which they are largely excluded. Try and be black or brown and drive a new car through a white suburb. That crime is know as DWB or Driving While Black (Brown).

We have a lot of problems to solve, and we must start with solidarity with our fellow workers, without that we all lose.

[Snorri1234]

"I got arrested for being black on a friday-night."

[Frigidus]

Yah, racism isn't a white-only thing. What is your point? Are you supporting or rebuffing the claims made that multiculturalism is a "vile mingling"? Where, exactly, did anyone say "gosh, damned whitey always racisting it up"? This is completely off topic.

Oh yeah, completely off topic I was sharing a personal experience with multiculturalism. I wouldn't call it "vile mingling" as much as I would a "utopian pipe dream".

Racism and multiculturalism have little, no, nothing to do with each other. The only relation is that racists oppose it fervently. Calling it a pipe dream is a joke. The only argument against it is that everyone is too racist to accept it, which I have seen next to none of where I live. Maybe you live in a bad area.

[HapSmo19]

Looks like they took their neighborhood back from the "gringo."

By attacking random white people riding through on bicycles? I wasn't staying.

Small gain for them in a city from which they are largely excluded.

Excluded? From San Jose?

Try and be black or brown and drive a new car through a white suburb. That crime is know as DWB or Driving While Black (Brown).

That would be funny is that was an actual crime .
They drive, bicycle and walk through this one all the time without fear of getting jumped.

[jonesthecurl]

Racism is hateful.
It's not exclusive to "white people vs non-white"- look at the tribal conflicts in Kenya, or the Balkans, or the troubles between India and Pakistan, French and Belgian, and blah and blah.
It is always hateful. Chasing a white guy with a brick because you're Mexican is hateful too.
But in a country where 50% of the european-descended whites are "christian" enough to believe that God created the world less than 10,00 years ago, exactly as it says in Genesis, would it be too much to expect a bit of following Jesus and his non-violent, all-including attitude ?
Where does Jesus give the OK to racial hatred?
If Jesus was real, and if his teachings make any sense, then surely they mean, more than anything else, do not return hate for hate.

[Iliad]

Yah, racism isn't a white-only thing. What is your point? Are you supporting or rebuffing the claims made that multiculturalism is a "vile mingling"? Where, exactly, did anyone say "gosh, damned whitey always racisting it up"? This is completely off topic.

Oh yeah, completely off topic I was sharing a personal experience with multiculturalism. I wouldn't call it "vile mingling" as much as I would a "utopian pipe dream".

Racism and multiculturalism have little, no, nothing to do with each other. The only relation is that racists oppose it fervently. Calling it a pipe dream is a joke. The only argument against it is that everyone is too racist to accept it, which I have seen next to none of where I live. Maybe you live in a bad area.

I have not seen anything even close to that. In fact I haven't seen racist behaviour here.

Hap that was off-topic

[mpjh]

Looks like they took their neighborhood back from the "gringo."

By attacking random white people riding through on bicycles? I wasn't staying.

Small gain for them in a city from which they are largely excluded.

Excluded? From San Jose?

Try and be black or brown and drive a new car through a white suburb. That crime is know as DWB or Driving While Black (Brown).

That would be funny is that was an actual crime .
They drive, bicycle and walk through this one all the time without fear of getting jumped.

Yeah, they are everywhere, everywhere and they are out to get you, especially you. You need a hefty dose of street smarts. the injustice you have experienced is in reality a minor inconvenience is a country of extraordinary violence and intense segregation of poverty into dead zones of our culture. You need to get past the "me" thing and get a grip on how destructive our culture is to everyone.

In the end, solidarity among those of us that work for a living is the only way out.

[jiminski]

I think the debate needs to be raised a little from anecdotal evidence and the "Is", "Isn't" to and fro.
Living with difference can be more difficult than living beside cultural clones. However, because it may be more difficult does not mean we should not attempt it!
Christ! if that were human nature we would not have lasted very long! If we gave up every time a woman was difficult, Adam would've taken back his extra rib and blissfully settled down with his serpent!

Difference makes life wonderful! And fighting to raise ourselves above the petty minded squabbles of the tribe must be our goal!

Besides, without the more stark difference of vying cultures, societies look further inwards and exaggerate smaller differences. (Familiar differences which we understand the root of, are far more annoying than the charming ones we do not quite understand.) Eventually it pits family against family, cousins against cousins and ultimately; brother against brother!

Without our ability, as sentient beings, to transcend realities of struggle, we become the solitary brotherless hermit; alone, bored but pure of 'culture'!

[brooksieb]

[ [color=#FF0000]thank you for the vague history lesson.

you must admit however that there have been huge strides forward over the last few hundred years. in every way imaginable. we have also tried to live in a civilised manner!

throughout history however, it would seem that civility is beyond muslims. the qu'ran can be misinterpreted or not, whatever the case. to justify hate and the murder of innocent women and children, to be rewarded with a place in paradice!

Yeah, NOTHING like the inquisition, the Crusades, the KKK, ... to name a few "shining" examples of Christian love and tolerance. Even the Nazis, though anti ALL religion, found listening ears in the Christian church.

Hatred is found everywhere.

As for the advancements. You could say that, but we have also invented mustard gas, the atomic bomb, major pollution, and effectively created a world in which fewer and fewer people really have a chance to advance.

THAT is the real irony here. HIstory shows that the "other" is always convenient to blame. But, guess who really benefits. Why folks like you are attacking folks who look different, those at the top are still doing quite well. Instead of turning your anger to your Muslim neighbors who want the same things you do ...even if some young idiots in the group make less than intelligent choices (as, I would say do MANY young individuals), you could try uniting with them to get ALL of you what you want.

BUT, that would cause too much difficulty ... better to just attack each other. Be a pasty. Fall into hatred. Working together is just too much work!

The nazi's wern't even christian, they believed in germanic paeganism and wanted to wipe out christian sects in this order.

1. Orthadoxy

2. Catholicism

3. Anglicanism

4. Protestantism

[OnlyAmbrose]

obviously it doesn't work. each race will always prefer and seek the people of their own race.

I'm white, my roommate is Mexican, my best friends are Indian, Chinese, and Pakistani respectively. I'd say I was an anomaly but I've seen too many similar groups to do so.

edit- and you've clearly never served in the military.