Who has two paws and hates Sarah Palin

[Fircoal]

The Wolves, and me.

In news, she's proposed before a $150 bounty on a wolf's left foreleg. That's just disgusting IMO.

Here are some of Ms. Palin's political views:

1. She is against abortion even in the cases of rape or incest.

2. She is a big promoter of oil drilling in Alaska. She doesn't think that it will hurt our environment.

3. She is an advocate of the death penalty.

4. She believes that creationism should be taught in SCHOOLS.

5. She doesn't BELIEVE in global warming

6. She is a long time supporter of the National Rifle Association.

7. She is against same-sex marriage and against granting them any sort of rights.

8. She believes in abstinence only sex education in schools.

9. She has said she supports President Bush's idea of stopping terrorism "by taking the fight to the terrorists".

10. She opposed federal listing of the polar bear as an endangered species on the grounds that the "population has dramatically increased over 30 years as a result of conservation," and supported a controversial predator-control program involving aerial hunting of wolves to increase moose populations for hunters.

11. Opposes stem cell research

12. She opposes the legalization of marijuana, although she has admitted to using on several occasions.

13. Thinks that it should be ok to ban books.

Another fun fact: She has a pregnant 17 year old daughter.

Oh, and also, she has LESS THAN TWO YEARS OF EXPERIENCE.

Some actual Sarah Palin QUOTES on a few political issues:

On Creationism:

The simple yet elegantly awkward moose proves God's creation and not evolution is the source of all life. How could something as oddly shaped and silly looking as a moose evolve through so-called "natural selection?" Is evolution a committee? There is nothing natural about a dorky moose! Only God could have made a moose and given it huge antlers to fight off his predatory enemies. God has a well known sense of humor, I mean He made the platypus too.

On oil exploration and drilling in the ANWR:

God made dinosaurs 4,000 years ago as ultimately flawed creatures, lizards of Satan really, so when they died and became petroleum products we, made in his perfect image, could use them in our pickup trucks, snow machines and fishing boats. Now, as to the ANWR, Todd and I often enjoying caribou hunting and one year we shot up a herd big time, I mean I personally slaughtered around 40 of them with my new, at the time, custom Austrian hunting rifle. And guess what? That caribou herd is still around and even bigger than ever. Caribou herds actually need culling, be it by rifles or wolves, or Exxon-Mobil oil rigs, they do just great!

On Alaskans serving overseas in Iraq:

Well, God bless them, and I mean God and Jesus because without Jesus we'd be Muslims too or Jewish, which would be a little better because of the superior Israeli Air Force.

[MeDeFe]

When I saw who had created that thread I thought it'd be that yellow, furry generator.

[Iliad]

Wow

Just wow

[mpjh]

Take these posts with you into the voting booth and vote OBAMA

[Skittles!]

Ban books?

She sounds like she should of been part of the church in the dark ages, not now.

[danodukebb]

Take these posts with you into the voting booth and vote OBAMA

fugging tell everyone you know to vote obama, and keep shit like mccain and his crownies out of the white house before it turns brown with all the shit going on the past 8 years

[black elk speaks]

actually her political carreer stared in 1992, i think, and she has been executing offices of government, not just sitting around in the senate debating and accomplishing nothing. 2 years as a junior senator is not a lot of experience if you ask me.

[oVo]

Sarah Heath Palin

1992 - elected to a 3 year term on the Wasilla city council

1995 - re-elected for second term on Wasilla city council

1996 - elected Mayor of Wasilla (pop. 6715)

1999 - re-elected Mayor of Wasilla (which she won 909 votes to 292)

2002 - unsuccessfully ran for Lieutenant Governor

2003 - appointed to Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission by Governor Murkowski
resigned in 2004 over the "lack of ethics" of fellow Republican members

2003-2004 - one of three directors of the "Ted Stevens Excellence in Public Service, Inc."
a 527 group designed as a political boot camp for Republican women in Alaska.

December 6th 2006 Sarah Palin became the 11th Governor of Alaska
and the very first woman elected to this office

[black elk speaks]

thank you. that is my point, her experience is much greater than previously thought. 15 years of public service is a lot better than the usually reported 2 years as governor.

[pimpdave]

actually her political carreer stared in 1992, i think, and she has been executing offices of government, not just sitting around in the senate debating and accomplishing nothing. 2 years as a junior senator is not a lot of experience if you ask me.

So you must hate Abraham Lincoln then. You think he was a complete failure as president?

[gdeangel]

actually her political carreer stared in 1992, i think, and she has been executing offices of government, not just sitting around in the senate debating and accomplishing nothing. 2 years as a junior senator is not a lot of experience if you ask me.

So you must hate Abraham Lincoln then. You think he was a complete failure as president?

Not this same crap. Don't just throw around icons to support another icon. Obama's not at all Lincoln. Maybe Kennedy (and make of that what you will) but not Lincoln.

And for the OP... did you listen to her speach last night? or just receive the indoctrination of the blogosphere rumors? I'm sure you and the "facebook" crowd didn't get these "facts" from your own first hand research. But let me just say that I also had serious reservations about Palin, based largely on the rumors that were circulated during the days leading up to her official nomination. As I described in the other thread, her presentation was genuine enough to make me rethink that. She at least deserves unprejudiced consideration. Now to respond in turn.

The Wolves, and me.

In news, she's proposed before a $150 bounty on a wolf's left foreleg. That's just disgusting IMO.

If there is a wolf issue in Alaska, I don't think you should be judging it unless your living it. The foreleg part is just spin made to sound macabre. The wolf is obviously dead before any proof of kill is taken.

Here are some of Ms. Palin's political views:

1. She is against abortion even in the cases of rape or incest.

Abortion is really an issue about choice. Taking a position on choice, and attempting to influence choice, is not the same as taking away choice. Let's be frank... right now a poor unwed woman without a supporting family has no practical choice... she can (1) elect the procedure, paid for by tax dollars if she can't afford it in some states, or (2) face 18 years of potential hell, without the support or resources to successfully raise a healthy and non-deliquent child. This is not choice. Palin has street cred that no previous white man "pro-lifer" can claim... and that is the key to real choice is recognizing the challenges of parenthood and provided support to unwed mothers to face them and succeed - that's real choice. If you listened yesterday, there was very little to suggest an agenda to repeal Roe v. Wade.

2. She is a big promoter of oil drilling in Alaska. She doesn't think that it will hurt our environment.

There is a balance necessary to weigh the environment against human welfare. Anyone who can't see that is an elitist of the worst kind. Yes, I personally was appalled that the conventioneers started chanting "drill baby drill", but it really reflects that people are not prepared to lose their houses, be unable to afford gas to commute to works, and sacrifice their chance at the American dream to protect something that most of them will only see on TV. Do I believe that pretending that we've got good enough technology to build fail-safe reactors and zero-contamination platforms and pipelines is about as questionable as believing in the toothfairy? Yes... but Mr. Obama would have us believe that the tooth fairy, santa claus and the easter bunny will be showing up on the white house lawn to shit gold bricks to solve our economic problems.

3. She is an advocate of the death penalty.

You obviously have no idea what it costs to house a prisoner for life on the taxpayer's dime. Unlike my view on 2, this is an area I believe that forensic evidence has come far enough that the risks which used to exist of false conviction in capital cases is basically nil, baring the human factor of the jury. It is time to fix the sacrosanct constitution to update the broken jury system, but the stakes here are higher than you think as to cost to society of not having a death penalty, or having a death penalty that costs more to litigate than it saves to house prisoners.

4. She believes that creationism should be taught in SCHOOLS.

As long as it is taught in social studies instead of science class, I have no problem with that, and in fact it [i]should[i] be taught if nothing else so that the children of the indoctrinated left understand what perspective some of their peers will have on this issue.

5. She doesn't BELIEVE in global warming

See number 2. She clearly not an ivy tower elitist who would put bears and panoramic vistas ahead of the American people. As for the rest of the world that could be negatively affected, we already give them so much economic aid while we are bankrupting our own country that the people living pay check to pay check are fed up. Those are the people Barack Obama was supposed to represent with his fresh face "movement". In fact, it seems to me at least, that he really respresents a bunch of college kids who have mommy and daddy facing all of the tough financial realities of life for them.

6. She is a long time supporter of the National Rifle Association.

I am anti-gun's in homes. But there is a thing called the constitution, and until that's amended (and I don't mean by activist judges) we should not be holding opposition to legal gun ownership any more than we can criticize a leader who has not outlawed the jury system.

7. She is against same-sex marriage and against granting them any sort of rights.

This statement is just so blatantly biased that it's not worth responding. I suppose you think she would have them just killed them since they have no sorts of rights at all.

8. She believes in abstinence only sex education in schools.

That might not be a bad thing. Not just for the physiological concerns of STD's and pregnancy, but also the emotional aspects. What do you think a 14 year old freshman is looking for when she has sex with an 18 year old senior? What do you think she generally ends up with, even if she doesn't get pregnant - something good for her self esteem???

9. She has said she supports President Bush's idea of stopping terrorism "by taking the fight to the terrorists".

Damn straight. There is a reason the self-anointed "anti-war" Congress is currently more unpopular that the President. It's because once we stopped fighting the Rumsfeld version of the politically correct war (and yes, major f*ck ups occurred prior to that) we have actually made Iraq and the world a better place. Even Obama has said he supports more troops in Afganistan. The differnce is, IMHO, he is more likely to backslide into the p.c. war-making legacy of Kennedy and Johnson (and Rumsfeld) than the "we will do what it takes to win" strategy of McCain. The former gets you a lot of dead people and nothing to show for it - what we got from our trouble in Vietnam and the first 3-4 years in Iraq.

10. She opposed federal listing of the polar bear as an endangered species on the grounds that the "population has dramatically increased over 30 years as a result of conservation," and supported a controversial predator-control program involving aerial hunting of wolves to increase moose populations for hunters.

Neither of us are in Alaska. I doubt the facebook source is there either. Putting people ahead of bears is not a bad thing.

11. Opposes stem cell research

You are only giving half the story here. Despite the predictions, other sources of stem cells have been identified than aborted fetuses... which is what is actually opposed.

12. She opposes the legalization of marijuana, although she has admitted to using on several occasions.

Would you support Obama if he was advocating legalization of cocain?

13. Thinks that it should be ok to ban books.

And she will also require everyone to wear their hair in a bun
This is nothing more than a sound bite.

Another fun fact: She has a pregnant 17 year old daughter.

And she is facing that challenge without wavering. Now we start to see the real back-alley political slander that got Obama into his Senate seat in the first place. Go do some research on why Obama's only serious opponent dropped out of the race. He's not a credit to democracy.

Oh, and also, she has LESS THAN TWO YEARS OF EXPERIENCE.

Someone else has already pointed out that this is not even close to true.

Some actual Sarah Palin QUOTES on a few political issues:

... and so we've trolled the web-o-sphere to come up with juicy bites that sound completely outrageous. The reason you won't find this stuff for O'Bama is (1) he is too skilled a politician to take a controvertial stand, (2) when he has something negative to say, he has lackies say it for him so he can maintain deniability, (3) despite all of his personal journey, he has little of substance worth quoting.

Anyone who takes said list into the polls is an idiot.

I'm not saying to vote for McCain/Palin, but this type of crap is nothing more than an attempt to consolidate the herd of the Obama "movement". Think about the issues critically and make an informed decision people.

[Matroshka]

actually her political carreer stared in 1992, i think, and she has been executing offices of government, not just sitting around in the senate debating and accomplishing nothing. 2 years as a junior senator is not a lot of experience if you ask me.

So you must hate Abraham Lincoln then. You think he was a complete failure as president?

Why do Obama supporters always do this? They keep saying that Palin has no experience until someone points out that she actually has more experience than Obama does. Then they go and try to play both sides of the fence by using Abraham Lincoln to say that experience doesn't matter that much.

[Fircoal]

actually her political carreer stared in 1992, i think, and she has been executing offices of government, not just sitting around in the senate debating and accomplishing nothing. 2 years as a junior senator is not a lot of experience if you ask me.

So you must hate Abraham Lincoln then. You think he was a complete failure as president?

Not this same crap. Don't just throw around icons to support another icon. Obama's not at all Lincoln. Maybe Kennedy (and make of that what you will) but not Lincoln.

And for the OP... did you listen to her speach last night? or just receive the indoctrination of the blogosphere rumors? I'm sure you and the "facebook" crowd didn't get these "facts" from your own first hand research. But let me just say that I also had serious reservations about Palin, based largely on the rumors that were circulated during the days leading up to her official nomination. As I described in the other thread, her presentation was genuine enough to make me rethink that. She at least deserves unprejudiced consideration. Now to respond in turn.

The Wolves, and me.

In news, she's proposed before a $150 bounty on a wolf's left foreleg. That's just disgusting IMO.

If there is a wolf issue in Alaska, I don't think you should be judging it unless your living it. The foreleg part is just spin made to sound macabre. The wolf is obviously dead before any proof of kill is taken.

Here are some of Ms. Palin's political views:

1. She is against abortion even in the cases of rape or incest.

Abortion is really an issue about choice. Taking a position on choice, and attempting to influence choice, is not the same as taking away choice. Let's be frank... right now a poor unwed woman without a supporting family has no practical choice... she can (1) elect the procedure, paid for by tax dollars if she can't afford it in some states, or (2) face 18 years of potential hell, without the support or resources to successfully raise a healthy and non-deliquent child. This is not choice. Palin has street cred that no previous white man "pro-lifer" can claim... and that is the key to real choice is recognizing the challenges of parenthood and provided support to unwed mothers to face them and succeed - that's real choice. If you listened yesterday, there was very little to suggest an agenda to repeal Roe v. Wade.

2. She is a big promoter of oil drilling in Alaska. She doesn't think that it will hurt our environment.

There is a balance necessary to weigh the environment against human welfare. Anyone who can't see that is an elitist of the worst kind. Yes, I personally was appalled that the conventioneers started chanting "drill baby drill", but it really reflects that people are not prepared to lose their houses, be unable to afford gas to commute to works, and sacrifice their chance at the American dream to protect something that most of them will only see on TV. Do I believe that pretending that we've got good enough technology to build fail-safe reactors and zero-contamination platforms and pipelines is about as questionable as believing in the toothfairy? Yes... but Mr. Obama would have us believe that the tooth fairy, santa claus and the easter bunny will be showing up on the white house lawn to shit gold bricks to solve our economic problems.

3. She is an advocate of the death penalty.

You obviously have no idea what it costs to house a prisoner for life on the taxpayer's dime. Unlike my view on 2, this is an area I believe that forensic evidence has come far enough that the risks which used to exist of false conviction in capital cases is basically nil, baring the human factor of the jury. It is time to fix the sacrosanct constitution to update the broken jury system, but the stakes here are higher than you think as to cost to society of not having a death penalty, or having a death penalty that costs more to litigate than it saves to house prisoners.

4. She believes that creationism should be taught in SCHOOLS.

As long as it is taught in social studies instead of science class, I have no problem with that, and in fact it [i]should[i] be taught if nothing else so that the children of the indoctrinated left understand what perspective some of their peers will have on this issue.

5. She doesn't BELIEVE in global warming

See number 2. She clearly not an ivy tower elitist who would put bears and panoramic vistas ahead of the American people. As for the rest of the world that could be negatively affected, we already give them so much economic aid while we are bankrupting our own country that the people living pay check to pay check are fed up. Those are the people Barack Obama was supposed to represent with his fresh face "movement". In fact, it seems to me at least, that he really respresents a bunch of college kids who have mommy and daddy facing all of the tough financial realities of life for them.

6. She is a long time supporter of the National Rifle Association.

I am anti-gun's in homes. But there is a thing called the constitution, and until that's amended (and I don't mean by activist judges) we should not be holding opposition to legal gun ownership any more than we can criticize a leader who has not outlawed the jury system.

7. She is against same-sex marriage and against granting them any sort of rights.

This statement is just so blatantly biased that it's not worth responding. I suppose you think she would have them just killed them since they have no sorts of rights at all.

8. She believes in abstinence only sex education in schools.

That might not be a bad thing. Not just for the physiological concerns of STD's and pregnancy, but also the emotional aspects. What do you think a 14 year old freshman is looking for when she has sex with an 18 year old senior? What do you think she generally ends up with, even if she doesn't get pregnant - something good for her self esteem???

9. She has said she supports President Bush's idea of stopping terrorism "by taking the fight to the terrorists".

Damn straight. There is a reason the self-anointed "anti-war" Congress is currently more unpopular that the President. It's because once we stopped fighting the Rumsfeld version of the politically correct war (and yes, major f*ck ups occurred prior to that) we have actually made Iraq and the world a better place. Even Obama has said he supports more troops in Afganistan. The differnce is, IMHO, he is more likely to backslide into the p.c. war-making legacy of Kennedy and Johnson (and Rumsfeld) than the "we will do what it takes to win" strategy of McCain. The former gets you a lot of dead people and nothing to show for it - what we got from our trouble in Vietnam and the first 3-4 years in Iraq.

10. She opposed federal listing of the polar bear as an endangered species on the grounds that the "population has dramatically increased over 30 years as a result of conservation," and supported a controversial predator-control program involving aerial hunting of wolves to increase moose populations for hunters.

Neither of us are in Alaska. I doubt the facebook source is there either. Putting people ahead of bears is not a bad thing.

11. Opposes stem cell research

You are only giving half the story here. Despite the predictions, other sources of stem cells have been identified than aborted fetuses... which is what is actually opposed.

12. She opposes the legalization of marijuana, although she has admitted to using on several occasions.

Would you support Obama if he was advocating legalization of cocain?

13. Thinks that it should be ok to ban books.

And she will also require everyone to wear their hair in a bun
This is nothing more than a sound bite.

Another fun fact: She has a pregnant 17 year old daughter.

And she is facing that challenge without wavering. Now we start to see the real back-alley political slander that got Obama into his Senate seat in the first place. Go do some research on why Obama's only serious opponent dropped out of the race. He's not a credit to democracy.

Oh, and also, she has LESS THAN TWO YEARS OF EXPERIENCE.

Someone else has already pointed out that this is not even close to true.

Some actual Sarah Palin QUOTES on a few political issues:

... and so we've trolled the web-o-sphere to come up with juicy bites that sound completely outrageous. The reason you won't find this stuff for O'Bama is (1) he is too skilled a politician to take a controvertial stand, (2) when he has something negative to say, he has lackies say it for him so he can maintain deniability, (3) despite all of his personal journey, he has little of substance worth quoting.

Anyone who takes said list into the polls is an idiot.

I'm not saying to vote for McCain/Palin, but this type of crap is nothing more than an attempt to consolidate the herd of the Obama "movement". Think about the issues critically and make an informed decision people.

uh, no I did not hear her speech, I probably will at some point, but I'll pretty much already against her. And yet I figured the source probably does have a bias.

Also there is quite a bit of what you say that I don't believe. I mean some of this stuff has been kinda said by everyone, so by then it comes more like a truth. (Or more rather it's probably closer to the truth.)

[Fircoal]

actually her political carreer stared in 1992, i think, and she has been executing offices of government, not just sitting around in the senate debating and accomplishing nothing. 2 years as a junior senator is not a lot of experience if you ask me.

So you must hate Abraham Lincoln then. You think he was a complete failure as president?

Why do Obama supporters always do this? They keep saying that Palin has no experience until someone points out that she actually has more experience than Obama does. Then they go and try to play both sides of the fence by using Abraham Lincoln to say that experience doesn't matter that much.

Her experience isn't the biggest problem IMO.

[The1exile]

Yes, I personally was appalled that the conventioneers started chanting "drill baby drill", but it really reflects that people are not prepared to lose their houses, be unable to afford gas to commute to works, and sacrifice their chance at the American dream to protect something that most of them will only see on TV.

How much is petrol in America going for these days, per litre?

[Matroshka]

The cheapest gas I can find around here is $3.44 a gallon, so like $.91 a liter if I did the math correctly.

[b.k. barunt]

Like i said, Democrat/Republican = 2 sides of the same coin, and since we've already been shown twice that the popular vote doesn't count, only deluded idiots will go on voting in the presidential elections.


Honibaz

[Frop]

(...) American dream (...)

I couldn't read any further - who still believes in this shit?

[Sentinel XIV]

uh, no I did not hear her speech, I probably will at some point, but I'll pretty much already against her. And yet I figured the source probably does have a bias.

Also there is quite a bit of what you say that I don't believe. I mean some of this stuff has been kinda said by everyone, so by then it comes more like a truth. (Or more rather it's probably closer to the truth.)

What? Could you clarify what you just said for those of us that don't speak gibberish? I don't mean to be a dick, but what you just said doesn't make any sense.

[gdeangel]

Yes, I personally was appalled that the conventioneers started chanting "drill baby drill", but it really reflects that people are not prepared to lose their houses, be unable to afford gas to commute to works, and sacrifice their chance at the American dream to protect something that most of them will only see on TV.

How much is petrol in America going for these days, per litre?

Yes, it's cheap by Euro standards. Today it was $3.58 US Gallon. And in absolute terms that's not outrageous BUT when you talk about the reality on the ground that people get themselves financially committed for the long term -- buying houses / propping up the economy with consumer spending on credit cards and against home equity / support outrageous tuition to send their children to private colleges -- based on a set of expectations about costs of future energy, and those expectations get blown away by rising energy prices, the absolute cost does not matter. There are still many that if oil spikes back up to its price 6 mos ago will have to choose between heating their homes and not paying their mortgage.

And while in the long run, even long term financial commitments can be adjusted -- for example, downsizing to smaller house/renting -- it can't happen which you are in the middle of a bottomless housing market. The short term alternative is massive foreclosure and bankruptcy, so you've got to ask... what it worse... putting families out on the street or back into public housing projects, or rolling the dice with actic drilling and hoping they don't put a drunk guy in charge of the rig? I supported the drilling moratorium initiative for years. Now I don't know. I think I'd rather have serious deterrents for environmental fuck-ups (thanks US Supreme court for striking down the punative damages for Exon Valdez spill) to make the drilling really be done responsibly. Realistically, that's just not what corporations are structured to do under current law... despite all the PR. They will maximize shareholder value - period - until laws are changed not about drilling, but corporate accountability.

[oVo]

Why do Obama supporters always do this? They keep saying that Palin has no experience until someone points out that she actually has more experience than Obama does. Then they go and try to play both sides of the fence by using Abraham Lincoln to say that experience doesn't matter that much.

Sarah Palin does not have more experience than Barack Obama, do some research.

[FabledIntegral]

Figured I might as well comment on a few...

3. She is an advocate of the death penalty.

You obviously have no idea what it costs to house a prisoner for life on the taxpayer's dime. Unlike my view on 2, this is an area I believe that forensic evidence has come far enough that the risks which used to exist of false conviction in capital cases is basically nil, baring the human factor of the jury. It is time to fix the sacrosanct constitution to update the broken jury system, but the stakes here are higher than you think as to cost to society of not having a death penalty, or having a death penalty that costs more to litigate than it saves to house prisoners.

Your last sentence was phrased very poorly, yet from the gist of it I got that you believe that the death penalty should be enacted sooner than later because current forensic evidence usage is enough to reduce false convictions to nil? So in effect we should throw out all appeals, rights, etc. that convicts have because of certain fingerprints, etc. In all practicality it's likely that this won't be changed, and it's common knowledge that people who get assigned the death penalty take up a significant amount more of taxpayers dollars than those who get life sentences. Because of the current death penalty system, prisons are receiving a significant more amount of funds than public schools. I do realize you suggested changing the Consitution, but I doubt by any practical means it will happen.

4. She believes that creationism should be taught in SCHOOLS.

As long as it is taught in social studies instead of science class, I have no problem with that, and in fact it [i]should[i] be taught if nothing else so that the children of the indoctrinated left understand what perspective some of their peers will have on this issue.

I've always learned creationism in my school in English. Yet what did we cover in our creationist class? Native American creationism, Greek + Roman creationism, a little bit of bullshit here and there, all literature. There's no scientific evidence of course behind it, so as you said it's out of science class. Social studies does teach about who believed what, there's entire chapters in books devoted to Christianity (people believe around 50 BC a man named Jesus Christ, thought to be the Son of God... etc. etc.). If you want an actual course analyzing the specifics of certain religions? I call bullshit. Why teach Christianity if you're not going to teach some just as legitimate in my eyes crazy dead religion that says the space god's sneezed the earth into existence on accident.

6. She is a long time supporter of the National Rifle Association.

I am anti-gun's in homes. But there is a thing called the constitution, and until that's amended (and I don't mean by activist judges) we should not be holding opposition to legal gun ownership any more than we can criticize a leader who has not outlawed the jury system.

You didn't seem to be against changing the Constitution earlier. The point is that she DOESN'T want to change the Constitution. Why not have semi-automatic blow a massive hole in the while guns for domestic use... which I don't know much on the issue but I know are relatively available...

7. She is against same-sex marriage and against granting them any sort of rights.

This statement is just so blatantly biased that it's not worth responding. I suppose you think she would have them just killed them since they have no sorts of rights at all.

Hehe... oh it's biased all right as her public stance but honestly from her personal point of views I wouldn't be surprised. She's nothing more than another typical Christian who wants to enforce HER beliefs on the law. I doubt more than 5% of the entire anti-homosexual population isn't religious, IF that. Goooooo California! .

8. She believes in abstinence only sex education in schools.

That might not be a bad thing. Not just for the physiological concerns of STD's and pregnancy, but also the emotional aspects. What do you think a 14 year old freshman is looking for when she has sex with an 18 year old senior? What do you think she generally ends up with, even if she doesn't get pregnant - something good for her self esteem???

Hardly a good thing - studies show people have sex whatever the hell is told to them. You can look at the situations in foreign countries where they are desperately trying to educate about contraceptive means. You always have to look for the person's INTENTIONS as well behind why she supports certain policies. It's obvious her support of abstinence is due to her religious beliefs, and once again wants that to be enforced in our PUBLIC school system. Teens are going to have sex no matter what, abstinence was preached nonstop to me my freshman year, while I was still a virgin, and you think I gave a shit what was being said? Hell no. And what's so bad with a freshman hooking up with a senior . When I was 17 senior I hooked up with a 15 freshman . Same social peer group...

9. She has said she supports President Bush's idea of stopping terrorism "by taking the fight to the terrorists".

Damn straight. There is a reason the self-anointed "anti-war" Congress is currently more unpopular that the President. It's because once we stopped fighting the Rumsfeld version of the politically correct war (and yes, major f*ck ups occurred prior to that) we have actually made Iraq and the world a better place. Even Obama has said he supports more troops in Afganistan. The differnce is, IMHO, he is more likely to backslide into the p.c. war-making legacy of Kennedy and Johnson (and Rumsfeld) than the "we will do what it takes to win" strategy of McCain. The former gets you a lot of dead people and nothing to show for it - what we got from our trouble in Vietnam and the first 3-4 years in Iraq.

Ahaha - more unpopular than the President. That's a MAJOR leap, considering the President has the second lowest approval ratings I believe ever... even higher than what Nixon may of had. Making Iraq a better place? That's the biggest fucking bullshit excuse - sorry I just hate to hear it. Do you know how much of an actual decent ruler Saddam Hussein was? Have you actually researched it? Because I did a damn research paper on the subject. Sure he was a dick - but he helped that country out in TONS of ways. He helped a staggering economy, brought tons of jobs, brought out an established order to the country, etc. Sure he was a dictator and killed people - but do you know how many worse situations exist in Africa and other countries? Do you realize how high the standard of living was in Iraq compared to countless other nations? Iraq may have had a poor ruler in many eyes, but why go there? He was definitely more qualified than how many other nations we could have entered. And what do you mean "something to show for it." As if - if we're there for the wrong purposes, I'm not willing to waste anymore lives and public tax dollars (which is a significant contributor to the national debt - this war has nearly generated no profit, similar to Vietnam. Last time a war helped the economy was like World War II, possibly the one with Korea) to "save face." Save face for what? The world's image of the US has plummeted due to our intervention in foreign countries, so if you do want a reason to stay there, give me an actual reason, not "to have something to show for it."

11. Opposes stem cell research

You are only giving half the story here. Despite the predictions, other sources of stem cells have been identified than aborted fetuses... which is what is actually opposed.

They have been identified but are not able to be used yet and are not yet positive if they will work as well. The process to obtain them in effect has the cell lives significantly longer than what an aborted fetus would have as well, although I'm sure if utilized it could at least get the research phases done (then again - I'm no scientists and am very well in the dark on the specifics).

12. She opposes the legalization of marijuana, although she has admitted to using on several occasions.

Would you support Obama if he was advocating legalization of cocain?

I like this one... hehe.

13. Thinks that it should be ok to ban books.

And she will also require everyone to wear their hair in a bun
This is nothing more than a sound bite.

So then you're saying the claim is false...?

Another fun fact: She has a pregnant 17 year old daughter.

And she is facing that challenge without wavering. Now we start to see the real back-alley political slander that got Obama into his Senate seat in the first place. Go do some research on why Obama's only serious opponent dropped out of the race. He's not a credit to democracy.

I don't remember the situation entirely - but if I recall it's because she had the paperwork filed incorrectly and illegally? And because he challenged her own misdoings, it's his fault..?

Oh, and also, she has LESS THAN TWO YEARS OF EXPERIENCE.

Someone else has already pointed out that this is not even close to true.

I'm sorry - city council or whatever the hell she did means absolute jack shit. As far as I'm concerned, her only experience is as Governor. You can throw in she was a former mayor, which means little.

[Simon Viavant]

I live in Alaska and have followed her policies as governor, and she hasn't really done anything here, except to a little work on the gasline. She avoided actually doing anything so as not to alienate or offend anyone. She's an opportunist who took credit for busting a lot of corrupt politicians, when she actually had nothing to do with that. Drilling in ANWR or anywhere else wouldn't do anything in the long run. Everyone in America inflating their tires correctly would save more oil in one year than there is in ANWR, and that's pretty much the biggest oil well in the country. Drilling would wipe out one of the biggest caribou herds in Alaska, and that would make wolves go on a major downfall and f*ck up the whole wildlife cycle and natural predator-prey system, effecting dozens of different species. In other news, the polar ice cap has made a record retreat, and now the Northwest Passage that late 19th and early 20th century explorers looked for actually exists. Polar bears have been reported swimming away from shore to where ice is usually 10 miles away, but now it's 100 miles away. Sarah Palin is such a hipocrit. (Yes, I know that's misspelled, I don't care.) She advocates killing 4,000 American people and 1,000,000 Iraqi people in an attempt to make Iraq stable and democratic that is destined to fail, but she won't kill a few embryos to further medical science and save millions of lives.

[savant]

I heard on the radio (NJ 101.5) that much of the speech she gave last night was written by speech writers from the Bush administration. To her credit, she did present herself well and with confidence in front of a large crowd, having experience as a sports news caster.

IMO, years don't measure one's experience as much as what has happened during those years. So to say one is more inexperienced than the other would be to examine both Palin's and Obama's accomplishments rather than the number of years spent in politics on a national level.

The Vice President's role in government is to do three things, two of which rarely, if ever, occur:

1. Assume the role of President should the current President not be able to continue or perform such duties as the President.
2. Serve as the President of the Senate, breaking tie votes if they occur.
3. Carry out orders made by the President.

Assuming number 1 and 2 rarely happen, the real function of the Vice President would be to carry out orders made by the President. To help leverage the Vice President's actions under order by the President, it would help tremendously to have powerful contacts and favors within the political circles of government (something Palin doesn't seem to have, but Joseph Biden does). Anyway, if the Vice President has little power, then picking a VP seems more of a strategic, political move to help prosper votes during election time.

The real test for Palin will be next month when she and Biden do a live debate against each other.

[Simon Viavant]

Yes, but McCain is a 72 year old cancer survivor. She might end up having to do a LOT more than those three things.