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Immediate Response by Both Campaigns to the Financial News

Postby pimpdave on Wed Sep 17, 2008 8:25 pm

So we've all heard, by now, about the catastrophic current events in the financial markets. Both campaigns for President immediately produced and released advertisements to reach out to voters in the wake of this troubling and disconcerting news.

I will not offer any commentary in this thread (or at least will abstain until it goes off on a tangent). I am presenting this material in a completely unbiased manner. No opinion here, only fact. Here is how both campaigns have immediately responded. Please watch these ads.

Obama ad: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85hHj1Idjvk

McCain ad: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVx9hTT6YGg


Everyone please share your thoughts and reactions to these ads. I'm truly curious to see how the CC body politic interprets and responds.
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Re: Immediate Response by Both Campaigns to the Financial News

Postby Fircoal on Wed Sep 17, 2008 8:55 pm

2minutes vs. 31 seconds

Saying what he's going to do and giving a link for more info vs. saying that Americans are awesume and that opponents only talk, and raise taxes.

I think it's clear whose was better.
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Re: Immediate Response by Both Campaigns to the Financial News

Postby Frigidus on Wed Sep 17, 2008 9:37 pm

Fircoal wrote:2minutes vs. 31 seconds

Saying what he's going to do and giving a link for more info vs. saying that Americans are awesume and that opponents only talk, and raise taxes.

I think it's clear whose was better.


Yup, even McCain supporters would agree that Obama's at least was upfront. That said, I'd have liked it if McCain had given a similar rundown. An actual comparison of plans would be interesting. Summary: I liked more than I disliked of what Obama said, and I wish I could have heard more from McCain.
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Re: Immediate Response by Both Campaigns to the Financial News

Postby pimpdave on Thu Sep 18, 2008 7:40 am

bump.

Remember to watch these ads and post your comments folks. I won't bump this annoyingly, just want people to catch it as they start trickling in today...
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Re: Immediate Response by Both Campaigns to the Financial News

Postby strike wolf on Thu Sep 18, 2008 3:54 pm

I wasn't overly impressed by either ad but Obama's was definitely better.
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Re: Immediate Response by Both Campaigns to the Financial News

Postby jonesthecurl on Thu Sep 18, 2008 3:56 pm

I'll play it later on the laptop, where I can get sound.
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Re: Immediate Response by Both Campaigns to the Financial News

Postby black elk speaks on Thu Sep 18, 2008 4:42 pm

pimpdave wrote:So we've all heard, by now, about the catastrophic current events in the financial markets. Both campaigns for President immediately produced and released advertisements to reach out to voters in the wake of this troubling and disconcerting news.

I will not offer any commentary in this thread (or at least will abstain until it goes off on a tangent). I am presenting this material in a completely unbiased manner. No opinion here, only fact. Here is how both campaigns have immediately responded. Please watch these ads.

Obama ad: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85hHj1Idjvk

McCain ad: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVx9hTT6YGg


Everyone please share your thoughts and reactions to these ads. I'm truly curious to see how the CC body politic interprets and responds.


I think that posting a 2 minute clip next to a 30 second clip is like comparing apples to oranges. if you want a fair representation on how the candidates propose to deal with these issues, wait for the debates. these little sound bites are not equal representations.
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Re: Immediate Response by Both Campaigns to the Financial News

Postby gdeangel on Thu Sep 18, 2008 6:53 pm

Well, the different length of the adds is consistent with their different styles. McCain is has a simple message: wall street has gone and f*cked the average American. OBama can sift through how he is going to give someone in his version of the "middle class" $1000, how he wants to crack in lobyists, and wants to "campaign on the issues". That's a defensive add and it's a indicative of a loss of confidence.

That said, after watching both of these adds, I thought the following: in a perfect government tailored to an omnipotent executive, I'd pick Obama over John McCain. Given the government we have, McCain is more likely to get results.

As an old saying goes, sometimes you are best to trust the one who doesn't talk too much...

If McCain is elected, it would be great if OBama got a cabinet position - I'd back him for Secretary of Housing and Urban Development ... now there is an area of government rife with inefficiency, backward in its thinking, and not doing very much at the moment that could change the course of a major downturn based on lack of oversight on home financing among the poorest of our citizens but of course, we all know that he is much to good looking, charismatic, a good public speaker, and ambitious to take the slow road up and risk getting derailed when he really really wants the big desk and if he can just convince enough American white voters that he is a racial androgue, he can get there.
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Re: Immediate Response by Both Campaigns to the Financial News

Postby Ditocoaf on Thu Sep 18, 2008 7:09 pm

The fact is, Obama's campaign chose to produce a 2-minute ad, so he could say more. McCain's campaign chose to produce a 1/2-minute ad, for greater impact.

My reaction: ahahaha! :lol:
That was hilarious! Obama described his thoughts on how to fix the economy, and then encouraged people to actually read his actual written plan, instead of relying on a 2-minute commercial. It was just him sitting, talking, explaining. McCain's used dramatic cinematography and music, painting him like an action hero, meanwhile saying nothing about his plans, besides that he will "take on wall street." McCain's may have been 25% as long, but he said maybe 5% as much... and that's generous.

McCain tried to appeal to your gut with a dramatic, concentrated impression of dedication, while Obama actually tried to appeal to your head... which is why McCain wins that round. But maybe I'm just a pessimist.
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Re: Immediate Response by Both Campaigns to the Financial News

Postby InkL0sed on Thu Sep 18, 2008 7:13 pm

No way, Obama won that round, hands down. McCain has dropped a LOT in the polls...
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Re: Immediate Response by Both Campaigns to the Financial News

Postby black elk speaks on Thu Sep 18, 2008 7:39 pm

Ditocoaf wrote:The fact is, Obama's campaign chose to produce a 2-minute ad, so he could say more. McCain's campaign chose to produce a 1/2-minute ad, for greater impact.

My reaction: ahahaha! :lol:
That was hilarious! Obama described his thoughts on how to fix the economy, and then encouraged people to actually read his actual written plan, instead of relying on a 2-minute commercial. It was just him sitting, talking, explaining. McCain's used dramatic cinematography and music, painting him like an action hero, meanwhile saying nothing about his plans, besides that he will "take on wall street." McCain's may have been 25% as long, but he said maybe 5% as much... and that's generous.

McCain tried to appeal to your gut with a dramatic, concentrated impression of dedication, while Obama actually tried to appeal to your head... which is why McCain wins that round. But maybe I'm just a pessimist.


Obama's ad didn't really address the issue of wall street's shenanigans though. he talked about health care and told how he was going to give a $1000 tax refunds to the middle class. isn't that unrelated to the wall street debacle?

it was filled with fluff and his website isn't really all that detailed.

Obama wrote:Protect Homeownership and Crack Down on Mortgage Fraud
Obama and Biden will crack down on fraudulent brokers and lenders. They will also make sure homebuyers have honest and complete information about their mortgage options, and they will give a tax credit to all middle-class homeowners.
* Create a Universal Mortgage Credit: Obama and Biden will create a 10 percent universal mortgage credit to provide homeowners who do not itemize tax relief. This credit will provide an average of $500 to 10 million homeowners, the majority of whom earn less than $50,000 per year.
* Ensure More Accountability in the Subprime Mortgage Industry: Obama has been closely monitoring the subprime mortgage situation for years, and introduced comprehensive legislation over a year ago to fight mortgage fraud and protect consumers against abusive lending practices. Obama's STOP FRAUD Act provides the first federal definition of mortgage fraud, increases funding for federal and state law enforcement programs, creates new criminal penalties for mortgage professionals found guilty of fraud, and requires industry insiders to report suspicious activity.
* Mandate Accurate Loan Disclosure: Obama and Biden will create a Homeowner Obligation Made Explicit (HOME) score, which will provide potential borrowers with a simplified, standardized borrower metric (similar to APR) for home mortgages. The HOME score will allow individuals to easily compare various mortgage products and understand the full cost of the loan.
* Close Bankruptcy Loophole for Mortgage Companies: Obama and Biden will work to eliminate the provision that prevents bankruptcy courts from modifying an individual's mortgage payments. They believe that the subprime mortgage industry, which has engaged in dangerous and sometimes unscrupulous business practices, should not be shielded by outdated federal law.


mccain wrote:Home Plan

John McCain believes there is nothing more important than keeping alive the American dream of owning a home. Priority number one is to keep well-meaning, deserving home owners who are facing foreclosure in their homes.
John McCain's approach to helping sub-prime or other financially strapped mortgage borrowers is built on sound principles:
* No taxpayer money should bail out real estate speculators or financial market participants who failed to perform due diligence in assessing credit risks. Any assistance for borrowers should be focused solely on homeowners and any government assistance to the banking system should be based solely on preventing systemic risk.
* Any policy of financial assistance should be accompanied by reforms that promote greater transparency and accountability to ensure we never face this problem again.
John McCain has proposed a new "HOME Plan" to provide robust, timely and targeted help to those hurt by the housing crisis. Under his HOME Plan, every deserving American family or homeowner will be afforded the opportunity to trade a burdensome mortgage for a manageable loan that reflects their home's market value.
* Eligibility: Holders of a sub-prime mortgage taken after 2005 who live in their home (primary residence only); can prove creditworthiness at the time of the original loan; are either delinquent, in arrears on payments, facing a reset or otherwise demonstrate that they will be unable to continue to meet their mortgage obligations; and can meet the terms of a new 30 year fixed-rate mortgage on the existing home.
o John McCain's HOME Plan Will Keep 200,000 To 400,000 Families From Losing Their Homes. "But at the same time, McCain is calling for aggressive federal action to help keep 200,000 to 400,000 families from losing their homes. That plan has many of the elements of a proposal by Rep. Barney Frank, D-Mass., and Sen. Chris Dodd, D-Conn., requiring participating lenders to forgive part of the loan principal and then write a new loan that would be backed by the federal government through the Federal Housing Administration." (Tom Raum, "Everyone's Invited: McCain Economic Plan Draws From Both Parties," Tucson Citizen, 4/17/08)
* How It Works: Individuals pick up a form at any Post Office or download the form over the Internet and apply for a HOME loan. The FHA HOME Office certifies that the individual is qualified, and contacts the individual's mortgage servicer. The mortgage servicer writes down and retires the existing loan, which is replaced by an FHA guaranteed HOME loan from a lender.
* John McCain will bolster groups like Neighborworks America that provide mortgage assistance to homeowners in their communities.


McCain's plan is a little beefier when you compare the two plans side by side written out like this, i think.

I also think that tax payers should not be footing the bill like this. Honestly, the sub prime bullshit was like a land slide waiting to happen. Why the hell did people not refinance before the shit hit the fan anyway?

Pay attention also how Obama keeps saying how HE is going to do this and that. McCain seems to be much more interested in using other peoples ideas to get stuff done. You know that promotes buy-in, right, making things much more likely to get done.
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Re: Immediate Response by Both Campaigns to the Financial News

Postby timmytuttut88 on Thu Sep 18, 2008 7:50 pm

InkL0sed wrote:No way, Obama won that round, hands down. McCain has dropped a LOT in the polls...

Not true, although I do prefer Obama, McCain is currently leading in the polls and actually his lead has gained recently...

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Re: Immediate Response by Both Campaigns to the Financial News

Postby black elk speaks on Thu Sep 18, 2008 8:01 pm

timmytuttut88 wrote:
InkL0sed wrote:No way, Obama won that round, hands down. McCain has dropped a LOT in the polls...

Not true, although I do prefer Obama, McCain is currently leading in the polls and actually his lead has gained recently...

http://www.electoral-vote.com/


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Re: Immediate Response by Both Campaigns to the Financial News

Postby pimpdave on Thu Sep 18, 2008 11:28 pm

black elk speaks wrote:I think that posting a 2 minute clip next to a 30 second clip is like comparing apples to oranges. if you want a fair representation on how the candidates propose to deal with these issues, wait for the debates. these little sound bites are not equal representations.


Now, please do understand that I wasn't presenting these with any bias. There is no aspect of "equal time" to consider here. The ads are not a debate, they are simply the example of how each campaign has responded.

Obama decided to go with a 2 minute ad (significantly more expensive to air, though the format would have been quite cheap to produce, and could possibly get less airings on television as a result).

McCain decided to go with a 30 second ad (the average length of a tv ad, so probably possible to air more frequently, but the production value was high, thus significantly more expensive to produce).

Please note, I am not offering any opinions here, I am merely stating the facts. The amount of time of each ad is inconsequential towards determining a fair comparison/contrast in examining how both campaigns responded. To call it unfair is to miss the point. This is how they responded, there was no time limit (except that no tv station is going to air an ad longer than 3 minutes in length on a regular basis).

Please continue the discourse.
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