Thoughts on the Farmers Guild

[prismsaber]

Other then being disgraceful by nature, noob farming seems bad for business. While not only robbing legitimate players of their proper place on the scoreboard, it's a great way to turn off hundreds of potential customers. It would be fantastic if something creative could be thought up to police such actions. Or just make it against the rules. Make it so that such actions can be reported in the cheating & abuse section...because that's exactly what noob farming is: ABUSE.

[what,me worry?]

who doesnt farm noobs. honestly i just set up games and they come running into a game against 4 2k+ players. If you ask me they are either greedy or dumb. either way they dont deserve their points

[BaldAdonis]

who doesnt farm noobs. honestly i just set up games and they come running into a game against 4 2k+ players. If you ask me they are either greedy or dumb. either way they dont deserve their points

New recruits aren't allowed to play team games, so that isn't exactly the same. The players who join your games have already finished at least 5 games, so you probably won't make them quit.
That said, you'd probably get better teams if you set them up through callouts, or if we had a "join as a team" option (like a semi-private game: I could join, and give the password to my teammates so that the spot would be saved until they got online). I'd play a lot more team games if I didn't have to be online at the same time as everyone else to make it work.

[hulmey]

who doesnt farm noobs. honestly i just set up games and they come running into a game against 4 2k+ players. If you ask me they are either greedy or dumb. either way they dont deserve their points

New recruits aren't allowed to play team games, so that isn't exactly the same. The players who join your games have already finished at least 5 games, so you probably won't make them quit.
That said, you'd probably get better teams if you set them up through callouts, or if we had a "join as a team" option (like a semi-private game: I could join, and give the password to my teammates so that the spot would be saved until they got online). I'd play a lot more team games if I didn't have to be online at the same time as everyone else to make it work.

come on you are talking rubbish!! Most farmers do so using maps like Waterloo and real complex maps that even the normal player would struggle to play!! This is Conquer Clubs problem , not the farmers guild. Conquer club should only let new recruits play on Classic for the first 5 games!

[Fruitcake]

who doesnt farm noobs. honestly i just set up games and they come running into a game against 4 2k+ players. If you ask me they are either greedy or dumb. either way they dont deserve their points

New recruits aren't allowed to play team games, so that isn't exactly the same. The players who join your games have already finished at least 5 games, so you probably won't make them quit.
That said, you'd probably get better teams if you set them up through callouts, or if we had a "join as a team" option (like a semi-private game: I could join, and give the password to my teammates so that the spot would be saved until they got online). I'd play a lot more team games if I didn't have to be online at the same time as everyone else to make it work.

come on you are talking rubbish!! Most farmers do so using maps like Waterloo and real complex maps that even the normal player would struggle to play!! This is Conquer Clubs problem , not the farmers guild. Conquer club should only let new recruits play on Classic for the first 5 games!

Yes, let's absolve the 'farmers' of any responsibility, after all that is the way of things in this day and age. It isn't their fault they have made a decision to do what is morally incorrect is it, it is the system that allows them to do this that is at fault. Yes, let's all just absolve ourselves of doing anything for which we should take responsibility and let the 'system' take the responsibility for us.

Why am I not surprised to see such morally bankrupt thoughts.

[BadMoonRising]

Fruitcake wrote an intelligent well thought out reply. Not that it matters but the only point that was a stretch was when he started arguing about people getting hurt. LOL I doubt anyone would commit suicide over a loss and hopefully one would learn from it. I havnt heard of anyone being stalked and hospitalized because they beat someone at CC. Hurt feelings?? Gimme a break.

I have however noticed that many many many ranked folks farm newbs under a different guise when trying to reraise their rank. The only difference is that they do it some of the time as opposed to making it a hobby as this new clan does.

What doesnt kill you makes you stronger, This whole thread reminds me of the PVP ganking threads from all the old games.

[Pedronicus]

I'm proud not to be part of the newb farming (apart from that 1 game on circus maximus I'm currently in)

[King_Herpes]

Fruitcake? Where have I heard that name before? Ah, yes you are that tasteless holiday treat that everyone tosses in the garbage. That's right I remember you. Didn't I re-gift you? I already have a father to give me proper guidance Fruitcake. So quit trying to be mine. You think I care about your grammar fixens and your undermining tone? Yes, I am being hostile and no I don't want you as a friend. I do not respect people who don't show me respect. And I don't strive for it when they won't meet me half way. There will always be naysayers. So why try to make everyone happy. That's impossible.

I don't expect you people who openly speak out against it to understand it or switch your ways of thinking. So why would you expect me to do the same? An uphill battle in the sense that this is how I've decided to play as of lately. I enjoy it. That's what I want to do with my money. And yes Fruitcake, it is my prerogative. Please keep your comments in the trash where I left you.

Is there really any big wonder in why I stand up against these naysayers? There shouldn't be. It's simply because they are throwing the first punch by pissing on my integrity. So I'll add my two cents while I shit on yours.

And about the clickies....cry me a river BaldAdonis! I bet you cry when somebody hurts your stuffed animals. Or when someone steps on a bug even. Get over it. I only take 4 measly points from them. I think they'll survive. And on many occasions I share this knowledge (clickables) with them along with any other information they politely ask for. So long as they show me respect they get it right back. Huh, what a concept! Aa duhh!

Prismsaber, Prismsaber, Prismsaber. What to say about your comment. Hmmm. I'll put it to you nicely since I think you're smarter than your last statement would show. If I remember correctly this was your second cheap shot at me. Well strike three and you're out. We are on our proper place on the scoreboard as are you. You have to work around us until the rules change. Get it?! We are your competition in that sense. Deal with it. Quit your whining. I can't speak for anyone on this matter but myself. We all have a different approach being we are all different people with separate playing styles. Don't attach my phrases to the clan unless they individually agree with me.

I know that the only reason a ? deadbeats and leaves this site is simply because they are eager to play risk. The risk that they are used to. You know, the board game that ten's of thousands of people play around the world while growing up. When they find this site or hear about it through word of mouth they join with great anticipation. However, the moment they find out that they have to come back in 24 hours all that excitement goes out the window. They lack patience. Most of them are kids and don't want to wait. Also, not everyone is blessed with daily internet access. Ideally every game would be real time so that players could come and go as they pleased. And when they joined that's what they expected. I know I did, so I to was upset when I realized I had to wait another day just to take a single turn. Very deterring. Hence a good percentage of them become deadbeats. There is no other reason for them to leave the site unless I were to cuss at them and put them down. Which I never do. I am polite and welcoming. And give congrats to a good game played (and don't bicker or whine when dice aren't in my favor).

Also to Prismsaber- It is not abuse until it is stated in the rules. All that is in your head. Your own head. Do yourself a favor and keep that abuse talk where it belongs. C&A. You think it is abuse. Then start a thread. Although I know you won't because you already know what the verdict will be. Now run along and go to bed. No dessert for you.

The statement that I most need to emphasize is that this is in no way against the rules. That makes your narrow minded opinion weightless. The rules outweigh what your individual thoughts equal out to be. This is not a democracy. It is a game. A game has rules. The Farmers Guild abides by those rules. Until the day that those rules change. Shut up. Your wasting your breath. FARM OR BE FARMED!

[King_Herpes]

Fruitcake wrote an intelligent well thought out reply. Not that it matters but the only point that was a stretch was when he started arguing about people getting hurt. LOL I doubt anyone would commit suicide over a loss and hopefully one would learn from it. I havnt heard of anyone being stalked and hospitalized because they beat someone at CC. Hurt feelings?? Gimme a break.

I have however noticed that many many many ranked folks farm newbs under a different guise when trying to reraise their rank. The only difference is that they do it some of the time as opposed to making it a hobby as this new clan does.

What doesnt kill you makes you stronger, This whole thread reminds me of the PVP ganking threads from all the old games.

Well said! Yes, I'm not going to argue that Fruitcake isn't intelligent. He doesn't know how to pick a battle, but I'm more than sure he is very smart. Many players also Farm in different ways. Farming can be done while putting a happy face on it to make it less obvious. Such as: aa hem!, joining at the bottom of triples or quadruples freestyle games when team one is not online=farming. Or simply taking advantage of any relatively new player on a freestyle setting. Also farming. No cards chained triples and Quads, the usual compitition is cooks and cadets. They are esencially ?'s still pressing the Join A Game button joining the games that are on the top of the list. The only difference being they can now see team games since they are ranked. These are obviously just kids for the most part. Not taking full advantage of what the site truly offers. If you press the Join A Game button, the only thing you are going to see at the top of the list is Team games. Almost always Trips and Quads No cards. The one's that are on the top of the list will soon be filled with cooks and bars(cadets). These people do not understand the concept of no cards chained meaning: usually they attack for themselves, usually they never share forts or deployments. And the high ranked players know this. It's easy money. It's farming. There are plenty of high ranking players including some people who speak against farming that farm. FARM OR DIE!

[KoE_Sirius]

Sounds like a great little clan .

Yes it is a great little clan. Why are we arguing? (don't answer, I'm not interested really...)

No ,me either .

[hulmey]

Fruitcake wrote an intelligent well thought out reply. Not that it matters but the only point that was a stretch was when he started arguing about people getting hurt. LOL I doubt anyone would commit suicide over a loss and hopefully one would learn from it. I havnt heard of anyone being stalked and hospitalized because they beat someone at CC. Hurt feelings?? Gimme a break.

I have however noticed that many many many ranked folks farm newbs under a different guise when trying to reraise their rank. The only difference is that they do it some of the time as opposed to making it a hobby as this new clan does.

What doesnt kill you makes you stronger, This whole thread reminds me of the PVP ganking threads from all the old games.

Well said! Yes, I'm not going to argue that Fruitcake isn't intelligent. He doesn't know how to pick a battle, but I'm more than sure he is very smart. Many players also Farm in different ways. Farming can be done while putting a happy face on it to make it less obvious. Such as: aa hem!, joining at the bottom of triples or quadruples freestyle games when team one is not online=farming. Or simply taking advantage of any relatively new player on a freestyle setting. Also farming. No cards chained triples and Quads, the usual compitition is cooks and cadets. They are esencially ?'s still pressing the Join A Game button joining the games that are on the top of the list. The only difference being they can now see team games since they are ranked. These are obviously just kids for the most part. Not taking full advantage of what the site truly offers. If you press the Join A Game button, the only thing you are going to see at the top of the list is Team games. Almost always Trips and Quads No cards. The one's that are on the top of the list will soon be filled with cooks and bars(cadets). These people do not understand the concept of no cards chained meaning: usually they attack for themselves, usually they never share forts or deployments. And the high ranked players know this. It's easy money. It's farming. There are plenty of high ranking players including some people who speak against farming that farm. FARM OR DIE!

He has a point here!! But id rather be a butcher than a farmer

[MOBAJOBG]

Fruitcake wrote an intelligent well thought out reply. Not that it matters but the only point that was a stretch was when he started arguing about people getting hurt. LOL I doubt anyone would commit suicide over a loss and hopefully one would learn from it. I havnt heard of anyone being stalked and hospitalized because they beat someone at CC. Hurt feelings?? Gimme a break.

I have however noticed that many many many ranked folks farm newbs under a different guise when trying to reraise their rank. The only difference is that they do it some of the time as opposed to making it a hobby as this new clan does.

What doesnt kill you makes you stronger, This whole thread reminds me of the PVP ganking threads from all the old games.

Well said! Yes, I'm not going to argue that Fruitcake isn't intelligent. He doesn't know how to pick a battle, but I'm more than sure he is very smart. Many players also Farm in different ways. Farming can be done while putting a happy face on it to make it less obvious. Such as: aa hem!, joining at the bottom of triples or quadruples freestyle games when team one is not online=farming. Or simply taking advantage of any relatively new player on a freestyle setting. Also farming. No cards chained triples and Quads, the usual compitition is cooks and cadets. They are esencially ?'s still pressing the Join A Game button joining the games that are on the top of the list. The only difference being they can now see team games since they are ranked. These are obviously just kids for the most part. Not taking full advantage of what the site truly offers. If you press the Join A Game button, the only thing you are going to see at the top of the list is Team games. Almost always Trips and Quads No cards. The one's that are on the top of the list will soon be filled with cooks and bars(cadets). These people do not understand the concept of no cards chained meaning: usually they attack for themselves, usually they never share forts or deployments. And the high ranked players know this. It's easy money. It's farming. There are plenty of high ranking players including some people who speak against farming that farm. FARM OR DIE!

He has a point here!! But id rather be a butcher than a farmer

Trust me when I say, ... I'll be interested to join The Butchers' Guild while doing my bit in The Farmers' Guild too.

[what,me worry?]

Let me clarify.

I personally hate special ability maps and most new maps which happen to be the same lately.

So in no way do i take advantage of anybody on new maps because i really dont play them. y point farming is st8 forward. Trips with 2k+ teammates. if they want to join and donate their points thats their porogative.


YOu cant fault me or anyone like me in any way. Im just making standard trips and quads. if noobs wish to try me, thats their fault.


THERES A WORLD OF DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ME AND KLOBBER.

with that said.....

THERES ALSO A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ME AND FREESTYLE PLAYERS.

I feel taking advantage of people through special ability maps and freestyle are the same and both are lame.

[Robinette]

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .Moo

[Mr Changsha]

I don't expect you people who openly speak out against it to understand it or switch your ways of thinking.

The quote is just an example, but the whole tone of King Herpes' defense reminds me of listening to representatives from minority interest groups (Transvestism Explained, Bestial Botherers, Necrophilia Now!!!) preachingly trying to show us the error of our ways and the narrowness of our thinking with regards to their special vices.

[BaldAdonis]

Is there really any big wonder in why I stand up against these naysayers? There shouldn't be. It's simply because they are throwing the first punch by pissing on my integrity. So I'll add my two cents while I shit on yours.

You never had any.

I'm sure the new recruits don't care about points. Most people don't. You do, but you're off in your own little world.
The point is that by playing with scripts that they don't have or know about, you give them no chance to win. So they'll think the games aren't fair, and they'll quit. That's not what the community needs.

[cicero]

People

This was always going to be an 'intense' thread. I've read it all the way through and there's some interesting stuff in here.
Please steer away from personal attacks and keep on topic or we may lose this thread to Flame Wars.

You may wonder why I temporarily locked this thread back on page one ... The reason was that I believe it is/was possible to add people to a usergroup without their consent/knowledge. I thought it highly likely that some if not all the members of the Farmers Guild had been added without their consent just as a 'set up' for a flame fest or something. I found it initially incredulous, though now more amusing, that this is a 'genuine' clan.

Cicero

[deliaselene]

It's good for new players to have a wall of shame to foe immediately. Just put it up somewhere they might notice. And add JohnnyRocket24 to the list.
memberlist.php?mode=group&g=192891

[King_Herpes]

I don't expect you people who openly speak out against it to understand it or switch your ways of thinking.

The quote is just an example, but the whole tone of King Herpes' defense reminds me of listening to representatives from minority interest groups (Transvestism Explained, Bestial Botherers, Necrophilia Now!!!) preachingly trying to show us the error of our ways and the narrowness of our thinking with regards to their special vices.

Your a funny little man Changsha. I fail to see the connection. What's strange here is that you actually know of these groups and are familiar enough with their defenses to compare them to anything. I think it's safe to say that you touch your own children and expose yourself to kindergartners(And I guess you'd consider these your virtues). I don't recall you being on this thread before this grotesque example of a rebuttal. Next.

[King_Herpes]

Is there really any big wonder in why I stand up against these naysayers? There shouldn't be. It's simply because they are throwing the first punch by pissing on my integrity. So I'll add my two cents while I shit on yours.

You never had any.

I'm sure the new recruits don't care about points. Most people don't. You do, but you're off in your own little world.
The point is that by playing with scripts that they don't have or know about, you give them no chance to win. So they'll think the games aren't fair, and they'll quit. That's not what the community needs.

What is your ordeal BaldAdonis? Were you the fat kid in class that had all the welts underneath his shirt? Truth is, I don't care about your thoughts. Because you've never played a game with me or never attempted to get to know me personally. All you know is what you make up in your own little head. Remember you spoke out against me first. If you took the time to look into my game history, you'd see that they win on many occasions. Don't look at what I'm doing as affecting anybody, let alone the entire CC community. If they deadbeat it's for other reasons like I thoroughly explained. Read. What is this naysayers? A neighborhood watch? Well close your curtains after you bring your family inside at 8 and let me do what I do. Or maybe you'd feel safer if you called the cops and left your front porch light on....

This is Conquer Club. Not Sissy Cry Baby Girl Club.

[Robinette]

The Farmers Guild
Harvesting the fruit that falls to the ground...

Click image to enlarge.

[Mr Changsha]

Is there really any big wonder in why I stand up against these naysayers? There shouldn't be. It's simply because they are throwing the first punch by pissing on my integrity. So I'll add my two cents while I shit on yours.

You never had any.

I'm sure the new recruits don't care about points. Most people don't. You do, but you're off in your own little world.
The point is that by playing with scripts that they don't have or know about, you give them no chance to win. So they'll think the games aren't fair, and they'll quit. That's not what the community needs.

What is your ordeal BaldAdonis? Were you the fat kid in class that had all the welts underneath his shirt? Truth is, I don't care about your thoughts. Because you've never played a game with me or never attempted to get to know me personally. All you know is what you make up in your own little head. Remember you spoke out against me first. If you took the time to look into my game history, you'd see that they win on many occasions. Don't look at what I'm doing as affecting anybody, let alone the entire CC community. If they deadbeat it's for other reasons like I thoroughly explained. Read. What is this naysayers? A neighborhood watch? Well close your curtains after you bring your family inside at 8 and let me do what I do. Or maybe you'd feel safer if you called the cops and left your front porch light on....
This is Conquer Club. Not Sissy Cry Baby Girl Club.

No, you don't sound like you're defending some sordid activity at all.

Not even slightly.

I don't know how I got that impression at all!

[Georgerx7di]

This thread was very amusing to read. I found the one liners more interesting. I didn't bother to read the long responses as they seemed serious and boring. Robins pictures are always fun. Oh and that JTBD whatever guy has a nice avatar.

[Incandenza]

Without getting into the middle of this argument ( I can see both sides: I personally find playing assassin freestyle games on waterloo against noobs to be a bit cheeky, but I'll give herpes credit in that he's willing to put those points on the line in some of george and scott's RT games), let me confess that I was farmed. Yes, when I was but a question mark, I hastily just jumped into a few games for the fun of it. One of them was a trips game on Middle Earth. My teammates were a fellow noob, and a private that deadbeated. The opponents were blitz and two longtime teammates. It wasn't pretty, but if nothing else, it sharpened my resolve to stay on CC and kick some ass in retribution.

[King_Herpes]

Without getting into the middle of this argument ( I can see both sides: I personally find playing assassin freestyle games on waterloo against noobs to be a bit cheeky, but I'll give herpes credit in that he's willing to put those points on the line in some of george and scott's RT games), let me confess that I was farmed. Yes, when I was but a question mark, I hastily just jumped into a few games for the fun of it. One of them was a trips game on Middle Earth. My teammates were a fellow noob, and a private that deadbeated. The opponents were blitz and two longtime teammates. It wasn't pretty, but if nothing else, it sharpened my resolve to stay on CC and kick some ass in retribution.

Well there you have it folks. A person that has actually been farmed. On top of it actually helping his overall game he admits that other high ranks have once farmed too. Wow! Big surprise.(And about the waterloo's pal, I've lost around 9 out of the last 30 which = out to me being down around 400-500 points. It's not always as cheeky as it looks. I am capable of losing and no that has never bothered me.)

Notice how the people that remark before this, that took stance against farming have never actually brought up that they've been farmed. If so, please share your sob stories because still to this point I haven't heard one testimonial from an actual player that has been "Hurt" by them being farmed. What a giant laugh.

What's with these good doers? Why do they feel the need to stick up for the people that aren't even here telling us how horrible it was? Were you all beat by your fathers? Why play the big guy sticks up for the little guy? And where is the little guy? I've yet to hear from one.