Animal Rights

[black elk speaks]

It's simply narcicism on our part. A mosquito is so far removed from us as a species, we give no thought to killing one. A cat, however, is more recognizable in our own context of existence. When i first came to Louisiana in 1971, i would hunt a lot in the swamps. One day i shot an otter (for the fur) after stalking it for over an hour, and i felt terrible. Killing deer, pigs, nutria, raccoons, etc., never bothered me, but the otter was so humanlike in its mannerisms while i was stalking it, that i felt like a murderer. After that i had numerous occasions where i could have shot one, and the fur is beautiful, but i could never do it after that.

Like i said, its narcicism plain and simple. We feel no pity for a chicken or cow raised on a mega food farm where they're kept in deplorable conditions, but the thought of something cute and cuddly going into the pot makes us cringe. It's subjective and completely arbitrary, so don't try to moralize it or judge others by it.

I would be willing to bet (take away the fact that I have no idea what otter tastes like) that if you were starving and had your sites on an otter that you wouldn't hesitate too long to kill and eat it.

Yep. Also, if i was really starving, you wouldn't want to be roaming in front of my sights either.

promise, i would be just as likely to shoot you as you would be to shoot me. hmmm... the way you stalk me on these forums, probably more likely to shoot you.

[TheProwler]

Hunting Blunt would be fun. I wouldn't eat him though.

[black elk speaks]

Hunting Blunt would be fun. I wouldn't eat him though.

I wouldn't put his head on my wall either, it would therefore be unethical to hunt blunt. Though, since he considers otters his people friends, maybe he is actually an otter and i could sell his hide.

i will have to consider that one.

[b.k. barunt]

It's simply narcicism on our part. A mosquito is so far removed from us as a species, we give no thought to killing one. A cat, however, is more recognizable in our own context of existence. When i first came to Louisiana in 1971, i would hunt a lot in the swamps. One day i shot an otter (for the fur) after stalking it for over an hour, and i felt terrible. Killing deer, pigs, nutria, raccoons, etc., never bothered me, but the otter was so humanlike in its mannerisms while i was stalking it, that i felt like a murderer. After that i had numerous occasions where i could have shot one, and the fur is beautiful, but i could never do it after that.

Like i said, its narcicism plain and simple. We feel no pity for a chicken or cow raised on a mega food farm where they're kept in deplorable conditions, but the thought of something cute and cuddly going into the pot makes us cringe. It's subjective and completely arbitrary, so don't try to moralize it or judge others by it.

I would be willing to bet (take away the fact that I have no idea what otter tastes like) that if you were starving and had your sites on an otter that you wouldn't hesitate too long to kill and eat it.

Yep. Also, if i was really starving, you wouldn't want to be roaming in front of my sights either.

promise, i would be just as likely to shoot you as you would be to shoot me. hmmm... the way you stalk me on these forums, probably more likely to shoot you.

Stalk you? Oh you poor thing, are you feeling picked on? Cheer up - the assprowler is here to help you. Heh heh.


Honibaz

[khazalid]

for the record i think singer missed a very important analogy for any of you familiar with his work. if you take a theoretical derivative from the logical continuum of omnivorism, you wind up in a pretty awkward situation. what happens if something smarter comes along? the particular moral roots of meat-eating lie in evolution and precedent only; it is actually much healthier to eschew it altogether, as well as being far less carbon intensive and costly. in short, there is no practical reason for it. it is a 'matter of taste' only, and morally defenseless. i've always been of the opinion that the next stage in our evolution will be a social and cultural one rather than anything physical. you can see it happening as a necessary adaptation already. not that i'm militant or anything, that's just how it is. if you eat meat it's because you're a) used to it , b) like the taste, and (c) are fortunate enough to be higher up the evolutionary ladder.

[jonesthecurl]

...and those three things are insufficient reason because?

[khazalid]

they are based on desire rather than necessity. original sin

[bedub1]

If humans aren't meant to eat meat then our teeth wouldn't be designed as they are.

[Snorri1234]

If humans aren't meant to eat meat then our teeth wouldn't be designed as they are.

Pandas eat bamboo while they're basically unable to digest it properly. They're designed to eat meat and don't do it.

[targetman377]

OK i just wanna throw this out there because its SAD. YES i said said. The reason i do not care about animal rights is easy THEY HAVE THEM.(WHY i do not know? i think its crazy) what you do not belive me in the GRAND old USA if i were to go out drinking and have a good time. Then get behind a the wheel and kill someone. (AKA WOULD NEVER DO f*ck PEOPLE THAT DO IF YOU ARE READING THIS AND YOU HAVE DONE IT f*ck YOU) ((sorry for my laungage)). you would get less time in prison than if you went out and killed a DOG on propose. LETS see human dog you dicide. If that is not enogh for you to see they do have it (AKA YOU SHOULD HAVE NEVER STARTED THIS) IN utah its against the law to go whale honting in that state. Really people need to start loving humans animals do not have souls. They do not need a bill of rights. The reason why we have these things for ourselves is because we understand these things. ANimals do not ok. end of story. good bye

[Juan_Bottom]

Wow, an American Chaosfactor. I don't know what he said.......

[jonesthecurl]

they are based on desire rather than necessity. original sin

So you should do nothing because you want to? Only things you need to?
Then sod off out of CC. You don't need to do that.

[jonesthecurl]

Wow, an American Chaosfactor. I don't know what he said.......

Summary: Animals are animals. People are people. These animals, they come over here, they sign on welfare, what a bloody cheek, does anyone ever ask ME if I want a chew-toy? Not bloody likely...



"Lord, protect me from my friends..."

[targetman377]

Wow, an American Chaosfactor. I don't know what he said.......

Summary: Animals are animals. People are people. These animals, they come over here, they sign on welfare, what a bloody cheek, does anyone ever ask ME if I want a chew-toy? Not bloody likely...



"Lord, protect me from my friends..."

[TheProwler]

OK i just wanna throw this out there because its SAD. YES i said said. The reason i do not care about animal rights is easy THEY HAVE THEM.(WHY i do not know? i think its crazy) what you do not belive me in the GRAND old USA if i were to go out drinking and have a good time. Then get behind a the wheel and kill someone. (AKA WOULD NEVER DO f*ck PEOPLE THAT DO IF YOU ARE READING THIS AND YOU HAVE DONE IT f*ck YOU) ((sorry for my laungage)). you would get less time in prison than if you went out and killed a DOG on propose. LETS see human dog you dicide. If that is not enogh for you to see they do have it (AKA YOU SHOULD HAVE NEVER STARTED THIS) IN utah its against the law to go whale honting in that state. Really people need to start loving humans animals do not have souls. They do not need a bill of rights. The reason why we have these things for ourselves is because we understand these things. ANimals do not ok. end of story. good bye

That was the best part.

[Iliad]

OK i just wanna throw this out there because its SAD. YES i said said. The reason i do not care about animal rights is easy THEY HAVE THEM.(WHY i do not know? i think its crazy) what you do not belive me in the GRAND old USA if i were to go out drinking and have a good time. Then get behind a the wheel and kill someone. (AKA WOULD NEVER DO f*ck PEOPLE THAT DO IF YOU ARE READING THIS AND YOU HAVE DONE IT f*ck YOU) ((sorry for my laungage)). you would get less time in prison than if you went out and killed a DOG on propose. LETS see human dog you dicide. If that is not enogh for you to see they do have it (AKA YOU SHOULD HAVE NEVER STARTED THIS) IN utah its against the law to go whale honting in that state. Really people need to start loving humans animals do not have souls. They do not need a bill of rights. The reason why we have these things for ourselves is because we understand these things. ANimals do not ok. end of story. good bye

That was the best part.

Only part that was comprehensible for those not learned in the language of drug addicts

[khazalid]

they are based on desire rather than necessity. original sin

So you should do nothing because you want to? Only things you need to?
Then sod off out of CC. You don't need to do that.

you miss the point, my cc playing has no adverse effect on anything other than my own stress levels.

[heavycola]

OK i just wanna throw this out there because its SAD. YES i said said. The reason i do not care about animal rights is easy THEY HAVE THEM.(WHY i do not know? i think its crazy) what you do not belive me in the GRAND old USA if i were to go out drinking and have a good time. Then get behind a the wheel and kill someone. (AKA WOULD NEVER DO f*ck PEOPLE THAT DO IF YOU ARE READING THIS AND YOU HAVE DONE IT f*ck YOU) ((sorry for my laungage)). you would get less time in prison than if you went out and killed a DOG on propose. LETS see human dog you dicide. If that is not enogh for you to see they do have it (AKA YOU SHOULD HAVE NEVER STARTED THIS) IN utah its against the law to go whale honting in that state. Really people need to start loving humans animals do not have souls. They do not need a bill of rights. The reason why we have these things for ourselves is because we understand these things. ANimals do not ok. end of story.

Can we have a HOF please? Lack? Someone?

[laci_mae]

they are based on desire rather than necessity. original sin

So you should do nothing because you want to? Only things you need to?
Then sod off out of CC. You don't need to do that.

you miss the point, my cc playing has no adverse effect on anything other than my own stress levels.

One of your earlier points against eating meat was its inefficiency in energy transferal. What could be more wasteful of energy than sitting around on your laptop playing CC? You probably have on lights, a cell phone, and a TV too. If energy resources are so scarce, then your playing of this game--one that you desire, but don't need--is selfish and wasteful.

L

[TheProwler]

Oh, the guilt is unbearable.

[khazalid]

they are based on desire rather than necessity. original sin

So you should do nothing because you want to? Only things you need to?
Then sod off out of CC. You don't need to do that.

you miss the point, my cc playing has no adverse effect on anything other than my own stress levels.

One of your earlier points against eating meat was its inefficiency in energy transferal. What could be more wasteful of energy than sitting around on your laptop playing CC? You probably have on lights, a cell phone, and a TV too. If energy resources are so scarce, then your playing of this game--one that you desire, but don't need--is selfish and wasteful.

L

are you suggesting it would not adversely affect me too much if i were to never use a computer again? there's no point in using a totally unreasonable example as a trump card if its so blatantly morose. i watch my carbon very carefully, i recycle everything i can, i take public transport and i never fly. not everyone has the choice to take public transport or a local council which will collect your old tins every couple of weeks but the song remains the same - do what you can within reason. its unreasonable to expect someone to never use the internet again wouldnt you say?

[jonesthecurl]

It's unreasonable to expect me never to eat meat again too. Wouldn't you say?

[khazalid]

i'm not insisting that you do, nobody else in my entire family abstains from it either. i don't really think anything of it unless someone happens to be talking about animal rights or asks me if i'd like a warm, steaming bowl of haggis. my only point is that it is logical and reasonable to do so in our present western environment, or at least a particular facet of it. on the the hand, access to the internet has become something of a fundamental necessity rather than a luxury for the few in recent years. the $100 laptop was leapt on by the popular media for a good reason, it was making the future available to some of the most impoverished children in the world. a small step maybe, but it shows how essential a computer has become to our notions of education and progress in the last decade or two. its all part of the modern, self-reflexive society. whether you reflect on finite resources and the footprint of your legacy or choose to amble about happily in convention makes no real difference now. the clunking wheel of the market is beginning to correct any preconceived notions of normality within the system and soon enough everyone will have no option but to question anyway. the many always did outweigh the few!

[jonesthecurl]

Incidentally, I'm glad to debate the carnivore questyon here: my daughter recenly joined the "don't eat the bunnies" brigade, and I'm biting my lip not having the debate in case I accidentally convert her to veganism and make my life still more awkward!

[Neoteny]

Incidentally, I'm glad to debate the carnivore questyon here: my daughter recenly joined the "don't eat the bunnies" brigade, and I'm biting my lip not having the debate in case I accidentally convert her to veganism and make my life still more awkward!

Wow. That sucks. Good luck with that!