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Me-Da-MiNoRiTY wrote:
What is this funny translation?....
I think we are being over paranoid here about changing EVERYTHING. You could have the classic map but instead of Congo just have Angola or something like that....
Works around the law right? it hasn't been copied yeah?
rwe wrote:Look, I haven't read all 60-odd pages of the thread, but (speaking only about classic for the moment here) how can Hasbro claim title to a map of the friggin World? I have 8 of them in my office, should I be worried about Hasbro lawyers coming to get me? What a load of cr@p! Hasbro might own a structure of play (ie dice throws to conquer territory etc) but we have KEPT that structure in the new classic map, so if that is the problem we haven't offered any real solution, have we?
PepperJack wrote:I once read that Midkemdil this, but I can't remember where. Apparently that map is based on something but with some modified "region" and "zone" names. Maybe Ontario becomes Onterrio. Indonesia becomes Islandy Area. So forth and so on.
tammsmu wrote:As someone who has finished law school, I would say that HASBRO could certainly file a copyright claim against CC, but my money is on the fact that they would lose.
(4) and MOST IMPORTANT. They really don't have that good of a case. The copyright law protects expressions of ideas, not the ideas themselves. While the artwork from HASBRO's board game and the language in the rules might be copyrighted, the idea that a high number / dice beats a low number /dice when rolled randomly CANNOT be copyrighted. The idea that one accumulates bonuses that are drawn randomly CANNOT be copyrighted. Neither can most of the stuff on this site. The mechanics of CC are NOT THAT ORIGINAL. What can be copyrighted is all the different variations on the game created here. Each of these maps are the intellectual property of the creator or CC (depending on what you agreed to when you made them). HASBRO has no claim to any of this.
hulmey wrote:The End of the Classic Map - i mean who in there right mind would want to play it now! Lets do some brain storming and see if there is anyway we can graphically improve it! It would mean changing the names of the countries, but it could be the world 500 years ago or 2000 years in the future! But we need it back lol
Iron Butterfly wrote:"You got spoils" isnt meaningful?
InsomniaRed wrote:Iron Butterfly wrote:"You got spoils" isnt meaningful?
Flat Spoils. Ya hear?
PepperJack wrote:InsomniaRed wrote:Iron Butterfly wrote:"You got spoils" isnt meaningful?
Flat Spoils. Ya hear?
See, we gotta stick with spoils. Nobody wants Flat Booty.
delahoc wrote:PepperJack wrote:I once read that Midkemdil this, but I can't remember where. Apparently that map is based on something but with some modified "region" and "zone" names. Maybe Ontario becomes Onterrio. Indonesia becomes Islandy Area. So forth and so on.
I'll say it again. Hasbro can have no claim whatsoever on place names. You CANNOT copyright place names. You also cannot copyright the concept of a map of the world with place names on it. So the classic map as it appeared here WAS NOT a breach of Hasbro's copyright.
If Hasbro are not asking for changes to the other maps that exist here, they are saying that the gameplay that CC is using is not an issue - because all of those other maps use exactly the same gameplay. I note that the minor changes to some of the terminology used in the gameplay - attack, fortify, cards, etc - may be an effort to reduce any similarity in gameplay, but changing the words DOES NOT change the gameplay. So I think those changes are both unnecessary and actually unwise.
So far, that means:
1) The classic map is not an infringement, because no one can claim copyright over the concept of a world map, and no one can claim copyright over placenames.
2) The gameplay is not an issue, because that has continued unabated in the other maps.
Therefore, given those two main arguments, it seems Hasbro is saying that the issue is gameplay (armies attacking other players to gain territory, outcome determined by dice, issuing of cards for bonuses, etc), in conjunction with a map of the world (the Middle Earth map is a different [though related] issue, I'm sure).
If that's right, then this is a very, VERY weak case in my opinion. Either the whole thing is a breach or none of it is. Saying that just the world map in conjunction with the gameplay is a breach is so weak as to be laughable.
InsomniaRed wrote:PepperJack wrote:InsomniaRed wrote:Iron Butterfly wrote:"You got spoils" isnt meaningful?
Flat Spoils. Ya hear?
See, we gotta stick with spoils. Nobody wants Flat Booty.
No but we do want escalating booty
Serpentor wrote:Not to be a Debbie Downer, but from the first time I stumbled upon this great site, I couldn't believe how you guys avoided getting sued to high heaven. Lazy lawyers at Hasbro I suppose..
But seriously, the Middle Earth map, WTF were you guys thinking? Did you honestly believe that wasn't copyrighted??
rwe wrote:Couldn't we just spare the existing games the screw up? Maybe all new classic games can be the new bullsh1t format, and the tail of existing games can be the proper map we know and love. That's fair isn't it?
PepperJack wrote:rwe wrote:Couldn't we just spare the existing games the screw up? Maybe all new classic games can be the new bullsh1t format, and the tail of existing games can be the proper map we know and love. That's fair isn't it?
The map is strategically identical. You're just used to the look. You've gotta see it for its Matrix-esque codeified beauty.
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