New Classic Competition?

[yeti_c]

so, it's Lucky Charms Classic vs. Post-Modern Classic in a fight to determine the future of the map. May the best abstract interpretation win!

"Lucky Charms" vs "Works of Art"!

C.

[oaktown]

As much as it is hated, Lucky Charms may be headed for a win here... perhaps giving the new version a post-modern theme was too much?

Still, some pretty fine work for six hours.

[chanchao]

I have some ideas. I'm not saying all or any of these will solve all (or even some) issue, but still want to provide some input, both on the creative aspect as on the way to go about this. Generally I see this as an OPPORTUNITY, not an emergency or set-back.

1. There currently cannot be a competition or actual design. Hold your horses, and Photoshop. This is because the *requirements* for a new map are not known. The first step will be to finalize the requirements; any design ideas come later. Any copyright issues will be addressed in those requirements.

2. Maybe we can do more than trying to get ONE replacement of THE signpost map. Let's do several that differ either visually ("Earth at different times, i.e. a mid-evil one, a prehistoric one, a WW2 one and a futuristic one) or in game play. (bonuses, etc.)

3. Stop right now calling it Classic. 'Classic' by definition refers back to the 'original' of something. Forget it. We are in this topic discussing creating new maps that will be called 'Conquer Worlds', "Civilizations" or whatever better name someone comes up with.

4. CC powers-that-be need to define a set of requirements describing visuals, wording and gameplay. Then all the creative people here can get to work and come up with some brilliant ideas. Without any doubt whatsoever this will be BETTER than what we had before.

[OliverFA]

With all respects and the best of my intentions... This "vote" if not going to help And removing the posts of people who post in the "vote" thread will only create pissed customers that won't want to renew.

Most of your customers are willing to be understanding and to help. But they need to be treated in the right way, not like children.

[mpjh]

Hey, put bot maps up and let the players determine which wins by using the number of players on each game over a months time.

[barterer2002]

Instead of a competition to create one classic map, why not create Classic 1, Classic 2, Classic 3 and let people play on their perferred.

I think we're all resigned to the fact that classic as we have known it is no more. It seems that there is a push, however, to continue with the classic name (although IMO the name itself should be retired).

The reality of the matter is that none of the replacements is going to satisfy everyone. People will prefer different versions. I'd say keep them. Put up both of the current two, create some more and go with it.

[Optimus Prime]

After the fiasco with the poll this morning, I doubt they are even going to have a competition.

[mpjh]

That was not a fiasco. They just found out that the next map has to improve the quality of the map. It needs to be innovative, fresh, well executed, and artful.

They should also look at additional functionality, like the ability to pass armies through your own territory (at a loss of some armies of course).

[eigenvector]

the ability to pass armies through your own territory (at a loss of some armies of course).

I didn't understand. What does this mean?

[delahoc]

I was moaned at the other day by MB for not being constructive.
Here is me being constructive.

I've searched the internet for a Parallel Earth and come up with this...

Dragon Earth
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon_World
map

this map could be bastardised to suit the classic gameplay, you call it Parallel Earth and rename 'zones'

As much as I appreciate the effort, there is no reason on God's earth (no pun) why we can't have a REAL world map. Hasbro cannot claim ownership of the layout of the continents. The issue has got to be with the division (and perhaps to a lesser degree the naming) of territories.

[delahoc]

If you haven't seen the site-wide announcement, head this way viewtopic.php?f=6&t=67126

a) It didn't appear to be an announcement so much as a vote on another interim map
b) Despite the new map getting more votes, Lack decided not to go with it
c) The new map image has been removed from the post, meaning ...
d) Despite saying that the vote is open until Sunday 19 Oct, it is closed already (early Sat 18 my time)
e) The new classic (art) map isn't much of an improvement. Where's the WORLD map?
f) Picasso wasn't a surrealist, he was a cubist

[oaktown]

After the fiasco with the poll this morning, I doubt they are even going to have a competition.

Any action can only be judged a fiasco if we know what the intent was... let's just say that this morning's poll was unique.

As for a competition, I think we should put a big Foundry [vacation] tag on that idea. Like chanchao said, the requirements for a new map are not clear. My fellow CAs and I would, of course, like the site to have a Classic map that makes everybody happy, and perhaps a day will come when we can help make that happen. Today is not that day.

Given the indefinite shelving of any classic competition, I'm not sure what more can be said about this topic. Since I know this is an issue that is near and dear to many of you I won't lock this down just yet, but if this thread just becomes a place to bitch about the new 'classic' maps we will have close it up and direct you to the Q&A thread. We like keeping the Foundry a friendly place.

Thankfully we have 100 other maps, many of which look better than Classic anyway... perhaps it's time I explored more of them. Iceland, anyone?
Game 3487049
pwrd: bankrupcy

edit: agh, poor spelling in my password.

[Kaplowitz]

lol this old map actually has a purpose now:
viewtopic.php?f=242&t=26253&s

[edbeard]

Since I don't understand most of the decisions around here, this one fits right in. I can understand the so-so graphics of a map like 'Caribbean Islands' which isn't a popular one but allowing those images to stay on the map which draws people and keeps people playing doesn't make sense to me. If you can't have the world map (at least for the moment) then can't you at least have something really cool looking? I'm going to post one of my favourite quotes which is a stretch at best in terms of fitting this situation but as Rickey Henderson once said, "If you pay me like Mike Gallego, I'll play like Mike Gallego."

[edbeard]

one thing I forgot to mention...maybe I'll take this as an opportunity and change a little bit of what I'm doing with 'Land and Water' (which probably needs a better name).

Possibly I could just trace the old 'Classic' image and add water territories and land-water connections but that's for my L&W thread.

[samuelc812]

The new cassic can't be of World continents, so wouldn't tracing the Classic map be pointless???

[edbeard]

The new cassic can't be of World continents, so wouldn't tracing the Classic map be pointless???

I think you just skimmed over my post.

The 'Land and Water' map is about using land and water as territories so while the land territories would be the same, the gameplay wouldn't be the same since you'd have water territories and you couldn't just go from africa to south america without going through water. again it's just an idea which I purposely didn't do when I started the map but things have changed now. also it's something to discuss in my Land and Water thread not here.

[delahoc]

The new classic can't be of World continents, so wouldn't tracing the Classic map be pointless???

Yes, it can be the world, and it can have the same world continents. No one can claim ownership of the layout of the continents, nor of representing that in a graphic. The only claim can be in the combinations (map + territories + names + gameplay) that are uniquely Risk.

So a sufficiently different world map should be fine. Again, all of this (in fact all of this thread) is purely conjecture until we are told what is acceptable and what isn't - as I first said right at the start.

[samuelc812]

I am pretty sure the aim is to have the revamped classic, with the same gameplay as the old one with different graphics....

[jiminski]

The new classic can't be of World continents, so wouldn't tracing the Classic map be pointless???

Yes, it can be the world, and it can have the same world continents. No one can claim ownership of the layout of the continents, nor of representing that in a graphic. The only claim can be in the combinations (map + territories + names + gameplay) that are uniquely Risk.

So a sufficiently different world map should be fine. Again, all of this (in fact all of this thread) is purely conjecture until we are told what is acceptable and what isn't - as I first said right at the start.

no... this is incorrect.

[samuelc812]

The new classic can't be of World continents, so wouldn't tracing the Classic map be pointless???

Yes, it can be the world, and it can have the same world continents. No one can claim ownership of the layout of the continents, nor of representing that in a graphic. The only claim can be in the combinations (map + territories + names + gameplay) that are uniquely Risk.

So a sufficiently different world map should be fine. Again, all of this (in fact all of this thread) is purely conjecture until we are told what is acceptable and what isn't - as I first said right at the start.

Indeed it is wrong

[edbeard]

I am pretty sure the aim is to have the revamped classic, with the same gameplay as the old one with different graphics....

you're totally missing what I'm talking about. oh well.

[samuelc812]

[edbeard]

I. am. talking. about. my. own. map. which. is. a. different. one. from. classic.

I. just. thought. it. might. be. a. good. idea. to. change. the. direction. of. my. map. now. that. the. old. classic. image. is. all. but. gone.

notice. how. I. mentioned. my. own. map. and. its. own. thread. shame. on. me. for. trying. to. get. people. to. go. there. and. discuss. that.

[samuelc812]