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Re: What is going on? (blocks)

Postby Deadly intent on Mon Oct 20, 2008 6:05 pm

maxatstuy wrote:KOE- you are saying that rank is analogous to skill and it would be stupid for me to refute that because I outrank over 21000 people.

My point was, skill is has no factor in the babysitting policy and just because a field marshal plays for a major, it is not any more wrongful than a cook playing for a field marshal. Rank does not mean that a person is good on every setting an in every game I play. Just because I have a high score, it does not qualify what I did as abuse, and in my comment, I was making light out your stupidity to claim it does


Im sorry maxatstuy but i have to disagree with your comments as ofcause skill plays a factor,how can it not my friend?
If one of the best players on the site babysits & takes over from a much lower ranked player in a much lower ranked speed game surely, on paper, he stands a much better chance of success than the said player that he is babysitting for surely!
I am not saying that this is the case here,but this unfortunately is open to abuse its as simple as that
lets just say there was a speed game in progress with four players,all cadets or thereabouts & one has to leave & asks a friend who is a top ranked player to babysit for him till games end,are you saying that this would be fair to those other players?
I say it would not as that high ranking player would be expected to out-class those cadets 9 out of 10 times so how on earth can this be fair to those players?
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Re: What is going on? (blocks)

Postby KoE_Sirius on Mon Oct 20, 2008 6:52 pm

maxatstuy wrote:
KoE_Sirius wrote:
maxatstuy wrote:
KoE_Sirius wrote:
OliverFA wrote:
Sorry I disagree. So being a better player is now called "abuse"?

So, what if a player skill improves to a point higher than what his rank says, I suppose we can call it also abuse. Or if he tries some new maps that cause him to get down in ranks but then comes back to the old well known maps in which he performs much higher than his current rank... is that also abuse?

I don’t see why you disagree. If a player joins a game against a captain, He expects to play a captain. If a higher rank takes over, it makes a joke of the whole ranking system. Our points are distributed according to score for score ratio. Max is a far higher rank then Hulmey.If someone was to beat Hulmey they would get less points then beating Max.
This may cause precedence for abuse. The whole system is open to players jumping in and out of games with whatever username they please to sit.


hahaha, so the abuse was about my rank? In that case I am perfectly fine with calling it abuse. Thank you all for admitting that my skill far surpasses that of everyone of the 21,713 active users who are currently on the scoreboard.

The only assumption you are creating is that rank is a direct proportion to skill, so in those two days where Prankcall's girlfriend went on his account and deranked him, you are saying that Prank lost his skill, and his ability to play went down. According to you, the form of gaining ones points or losing them has no factor on their skill and because someone has a high rank, they are therefore good at every type of game they play. While I would have to say that is true in my case because I am the second best player on every setting on conquerclub (:? ) that logic is ridiculous and moronic to say the least. Furthermore, that is saying that your comment in another thread, where it was brought up that I played for fantasianasian in a 4 player game against you, is illogical because I was the same rank as fanta when I played for him so you expected to play for a brigadier and ended up playing for a brigadier. The rules have to restriction on rank difference and calling it abuse because the second highest ranked player decides to babysit for other players is senseless. In a thread where a low rank person posted looking for someone to babysit while he was away for the weekend, sjnap stepped up and offered his services and as a result was commended by not only other players, but mods as well. Who I play for is of no factor or consequence to it being called abuse. I only play out of necessity and that is the only factor that should be taken into consideration when determining whether it is abuse. If I gave my account to alangary to watch, it may be my attempt to derank, but it would it is should not be restricted because of his low score as it is my decision to let him play for me and just because he has an extremely low score, it doesnt make him any less competent a player.

I read the first sentence and second. I can see where you are going with this so I can't be bothered to read the rest.
You admitted you are abusing the system . [-X [-X [-X
I'll leave it at that. Happy Monday.


All I heard was that you are unable to read

No,just unwilling to read your dribble.
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Re: What is going on? (blocks)

Postby maxatstuy on Mon Oct 20, 2008 6:55 pm

Deadly intent wrote:
maxatstuy wrote:KOE- you are saying that rank is analogous to skill and it would be stupid for me to refute that because I outrank over 21000 people.

My point was, skill is has no factor in the babysitting policy and just because a field marshal plays for a major, it is not any more wrongful than a cook playing for a field marshal. Rank does not mean that a person is good on every setting an in every game I play. Just because I have a high score, it does not qualify what I did as abuse, and in my comment, I was making light out your stupidity to claim it does


Im sorry maxatstuy but i have to disagree with your comments as ofcause skill plays a factor,how can it not my friend?
If one of the best players on the site babysits & takes over from a much lower ranked player in a much lower ranked speed game surely, on paper, he stands a much better chance of success than the said player that he is babysitting for surely!
And,although i am sure it is not the case here,this unfortunately is open to abuse its as simple as that
lets just say there was a speed game in progress with four players,all cadets or thereabouts & one has to leave & asks a top ranked player to babysit for him till games end,are you saying that this would be fair to those other players?
I say it would not as that high ranking player would be expected to out-class those cadets 9 out of 10 times so how on earth can this be fair?


While I would agree with you under the circumstance that the babysitter does not announce that he is playing for another player, in the case that he does, I would actually argue that it is more unfair for the low rank whom the high rank is babysitting. Majority of the time, after announcing that a new player is taking over who is much higher up on the scoreboard, the other players suicide the low rank thinking that he is now going to win otherwise, and it kills the low ranks possibility of winning the game. Additionally, one of the shortcomings of babysitting is that the new player taking over does not have the experience of witnessing how his opponents play, so cant react and play with some of the knowledge which the initial player who started the game may have.

In my case, however, I dont see how any conflict of interest would arise as the person who started the initial C&A thread about me, bruceswar, was also the same person who started the Maxatstuy is a Disgrace thread in fw where he basically attempts to discredit my achievement in acquiring a high score by attributing it all to farming. While I have to agree that farming is how I made the vast majority of my points, I consider mastering the technique of farming properly to be an achievement. Still, it in no way helps me win the speed games and casual games I play when babysitting for others which is why I fail to see the connection between my rank and my skill while babysitting for others accounts
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Re: What is going on? (blocks)

Postby hulmey on Mon Oct 20, 2008 8:45 pm

maxatstuy wrote:
Deadly intent wrote:
maxatstuy wrote:KOE- you are saying that rank is analogous to skill and it would be stupid for me to refute that because I outrank over 21000 people.

My point was, skill is has no factor in the babysitting policy and just because a field marshal plays for a major, it is not any more wrongful than a cook playing for a field marshal. Rank does not mean that a person is good on every setting an in every game I play. Just because I have a high score, it does not qualify what I did as abuse, and in my comment, I was making light out your stupidity to claim it does


Im sorry maxatstuy but i have to disagree with your comments as ofcause skill plays a factor,how can it not my friend?
If one of the best players on the site babysits & takes over from a much lower ranked player in a much lower ranked speed game surely, on paper, he stands a much better chance of success than the said player that he is babysitting for surely!
And,although i am sure it is not the case here,this unfortunately is open to abuse its as simple as that
lets just say there was a speed game in progress with four players,all cadets or thereabouts & one has to leave & asks a top ranked player to babysit for him till games end,are you saying that this would be fair to those other players?
I say it would not as that high ranking player would be expected to out-class those cadets 9 out of 10 times so how on earth can this be fair?


While I would agree with you under the circumstance that the babysitter does not announce that he is playing for another player, in the case that he does, I would actually argue that it is more unfair for the low rank whom the high rank is babysitting. Majority of the time, after announcing that a new player is taking over who is much higher up on the scoreboard, the other players suicide the low rank thinking that he is now going to win otherwise, and it kills the low ranks possibility of winning the game. Additionally, one of the shortcomings of babysitting is that the new player taking over does not have the experience of witnessing how his opponents play, so cant react and play with some of the knowledge which the initial player who started the game may have.
In my case, however, I dont see how any conflict of interest would arise as the person who started the initial C&A thread about me, bruceswar, was also the same person who started the Maxatstuy is a Disgrace thread in fw where he basically attempts to discredit my achievement in acquiring a high score by attributing it all to farming. While I have to agree that farming is how I made the vast majority of my points, I consider mastering the technique of farming properly to be an achievement. Still, it in no way helps me win the speed games and casual games I play when babysitting for others which is why I fail to see the connection between my rank and my skill while babysitting for others accounts

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Re: What is going on? (blocks)

Postby Deadly intent on Tue Oct 21, 2008 3:54 am

maxatstuy wrote:
While I would agree with you under the circumstance that the babysitter does not announce that he is playing for another player, in the case that he does, I would actually argue that it is more unfair for the low rank whom the high rank is babysitting. Majority of the time, after announcing that a new player is taking over who is much higher up on the scoreboard, the other players suicide the low rank thinking that he is now going to win otherwise, and it kills the low ranks possibility of winning the game. Additionally, one of the shortcomings of babysitting is that the new player taking over does not have the experience of witnessing how his opponents play, so cant react and play with some of the knowledge which the initial player who started the game may have.


So are you saying that in every game that you find yourself babysitting for someone,you announce your rank each time you enter the game?.." Hello,i"m Maxatstuy & i"m a Field Marshal" because as famous as you are, not everyone is going to know you my friend or have heard of you & if they dont take time out to check,they wont either.So in these cases,yes your Rank & obvious skill would be an advantage
I know when i have had someone enter the game for another player they have never revealed to others their rank.If i want to know,i have to go look & not everyone is going to do that.They will just assume,as i have done, that they will be of similar rank.
In these circumstances this would then render your "lower rank suiciding theory" null & void
Now i have not just singled you out here,nor am i suggesting that anything you have done by babysitting is untoward,but it does open the door for other more unscrupulous players for abuse unless stricter guidelines are not put into place for speed games.
For as they stand at the moment it would be very easy indeed for the lower rank to employ the skills of a much higher rank in a speed game to earn them some points,especially with the criteria i have explained above
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Re: What is going on? (blocks)

Postby KoE_Sirius on Tue Oct 21, 2008 1:53 pm

Deadly intent wrote:
maxatstuy wrote:
While I would agree with you under the circumstance that the babysitter does not announce that he is playing for another player, in the case that he does, I would actually argue that it is more unfair for the low rank whom the high rank is babysitting. Majority of the time, after announcing that a new player is taking over who is much higher up on the scoreboard, the other players suicide the low rank thinking that he is now going to win otherwise, and it kills the low ranks possibility of winning the game. Additionally, one of the shortcomings of babysitting is that the new player taking over does not have the experience of witnessing how his opponents play, so cant react and play with some of the knowledge which the initial player who started the game may have.


So are you saying that in every game that you find yourself babysitting for someone,you announce your rank each time you enter the game?.." Hello,i"m Maxatstuy & i"m a Field Marshal" because as famous as you are, not everyone is going to know you my friend or have heard of you & if they dont take time out to check,they wont either.So in these cases,yes your Rank & obvious skill would be an advantage
I know when i have had someone enter the game for another player they have never revealed to others their rank.If i want to know,i have to go look & not everyone is going to do that.They will just assume,as i have done, that they will be of similar rank.
In these circumstances this would then render your "lower rank suiciding theory" null & void
Now i have not just singled you out here,nor am i suggesting that anything you have done by babysitting is untoward,but it does open the door for other more unscrupulous players for abuse unless stricter guidelines are not put into place for speed games.
For as they stand at the moment it would be very easy indeed for the lower rank to employ the skills of a much higher rank in a speed game to earn them some points,especially with the criteria i have explained above

It is true that lower ranks do suicide higher ranks.Its a right pain sometimes,but I do not think this applies when a player is babysitting. Although I would like to suggest that if maxatstuy babysits in a game you are playing to jump on that auto attack button and suicide away lol
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Re: What is going on? (blocks)

Postby maxatstuy on Tue Oct 21, 2008 4:09 pm

KoE_Sirius wrote:
Deadly intent wrote:
maxatstuy wrote:
While I would agree with you under the circumstance that the babysitter does not announce that he is playing for another player, in the case that he does, I would actually argue that it is more unfair for the low rank whom the high rank is babysitting. Majority of the time, after announcing that a new player is taking over who is much higher up on the scoreboard, the other players suicide the low rank thinking that he is now going to win otherwise, and it kills the low ranks possibility of winning the game. Additionally, one of the shortcomings of babysitting is that the new player taking over does not have the experience of witnessing how his opponents play, so cant react and play with some of the knowledge which the initial player who started the game may have.


So are you saying that in every game that you find yourself babysitting for someone,you announce your rank each time you enter the game?.." Hello,i"m Maxatstuy & i"m a Field Marshal" because as famous as you are, not everyone is going to know you my friend or have heard of you & if they dont take time out to check,they wont either.So in these cases,yes your Rank & obvious skill would be an advantage
I know when i have had someone enter the game for another player they have never revealed to others their rank.If i want to know,i have to go look & not everyone is going to do that.They will just assume,as i have done, that they will be of similar rank.
In these circumstances this would then render your "lower rank suiciding theory" null & void
Now i have not just singled you out here,nor am i suggesting that anything you have done by babysitting is untoward,but it does open the door for other more unscrupulous players for abuse unless stricter guidelines are not put into place for speed games.
For as they stand at the moment it would be very easy indeed for the lower rank to employ the skills of a much higher rank in a speed game to earn them some points,especially with the criteria i have explained above

It is true that lower ranks do suicide higher ranks.Its a right pain sometimes,but I do not think this applies when a player is babysitting. Although I would like to suggest that if maxatstuy babysits in a game you are playing to jump on that auto attack button and suicide away lol


I think that you should really get over the fact that fanta was outplaying you, I outplayed you, and you lost. Thank you for your constant reassurance of my ability at playing on an internet risk site, but you arent even annoyed at me for that game in particular; in your words a while back, you said that apparently believe that I played against you in other games on other accounts which I joined. The idea of joining games on others accounts I find despicable (as that was what happened to me when my account was hijacked) and it is against the rules as well. With that said, if you think there is a game where it was me playing you, file a cheating thread because you bs'ing around the reason why you have a grudge against me is pointless and is not accomplishing anything.
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Re: What is going on? (blocks)

Postby KoE_Sirius on Tue Oct 21, 2008 4:18 pm

Really Max. You sat a game and won. So what I have played hundreds of games and won in my own right.
I really do not mind that you beat me. I have lost 59% of all my games. I am really used to losing or I simply wouldn't play.
It must of been a proud moment for you.I show no malice.
Congrats on the win although you can't really claim a victory for another.I'll let you have that one.
Now please stop abusing the loophole in the account sitting rule and then we can both move on.
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Re: What is going on? (blocks)

Postby maxatstuy on Tue Oct 21, 2008 5:19 pm

KoE_Sirius wrote:Really Max. You sat a game and won. So what I have played hundreds of games and won in my own right.
I really do not mind that you beat me. I have lost 59% of all my games. I am really used to losing or I simply wouldn't play.
It must of been a proud moment for you.I show no malice.
Congrats on the win although you can't really claim a victory for another.I'll let you have that one.
Now please stop abusing the loophole in the account sitting rule and then we can both move on.
Happy Tuesday. :)


lol...I dont consider it abuse because I dont consider myself to be better than the people who I sit for and I am pretty sure there are few people who do. However, I really think that my prior post should be addressed because if you think I cheated, you should say something about it
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Re: What is going on? (blocks)

Postby hulmey on Tue Oct 21, 2008 5:24 pm

Im still blocked from playing against prankcall :roll: :(
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Re: What is going on? (blocks)

Postby KoE_Sirius on Wed Oct 22, 2008 11:46 am

maxatstuy wrote:
KoE_Sirius wrote:Really Max. You sat a game and won. So what I have played hundreds of games and won in my own right.
I really do not mind that you beat me. I have lost 59% of all my games. I am really used to losing or I simply wouldn't play.
It must of been a proud moment for you.I show no malice.
Congrats on the win although you can't really claim a victory for another.I'll let you have that one.
Now please stop abusing the loophole in the account sitting rule and then we can both move on.
Happy Tuesday. :)


lol...I dont consider it abuse because I dont consider myself to be better than the people who I sit for and I am pretty sure there are few people who do. However, I really think that my prior post should be addressed because if you think I cheated, you should say something about it

I do not think you cheated. You adhere to Conquer Club rules. Fairplay is what you seem to lack. I would never hold back if I thought you were breaking a single rule. Your name would be lit for all to see and my post would have substance. However, I do think you are take full advantage of a loophole in the rules for babysitting. This is on subject with regards to "BLOCKS".
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