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Re: Why Host Mafia on Conquer Club?

Postby nagerous on Mon Nov 03, 2008 10:53 am

pimpdave wrote:Please get back on topic. I'd be happy to continue bickering with everyone by PM, but this thread has been marred by consistent attempts to derail it and take it off topic (thanks nagerous!).



I would have to go ahead and consider this thread completely successful, thanks everyone!


Alright, I for one would have let you in if I was hosting as I am not funny, but after your temper tantrum - ruining ga7's game because LSU put you in backup in another game, I would now have second thoughts. The majority of people who signed up get let in normally, even in big games. It was LSU's decision and you're just going to have to respect that. CC also has ignore lists, so if you're on someones iggy you're not allowed in the game, is that Jim Crow-esque too? I think I have made serious valid points to your original question, so quit accusing me of derailing your thread, just because I am totally opposed and disagree with your clearly flawed argument.
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Re: Why Host Mafia on Conquer Club?

Postby pimpdave on Mon Nov 03, 2008 10:55 am

nagerous wrote: CC also has ignore lists, so if you're on someones iggy you're not allowed in the game, is that Jim Crow-esque too?


No, it isn't, because it isn't a public refusal of access.

Oh, and nagerous, I won't respond to you any further until you edit out that post that quoted material from another forum that has no bearing on this discussion. Since it appears on the first page of this thread, it is an obvious attempt to subvert and alter the course of debate.
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Re: Why Host Mafia on Conquer Club?

Postby Neoteny on Mon Nov 03, 2008 11:02 am

I would like to point out that even though my attendance in mafia games is spotty at best, people keep letting me in their games. I think this proves that I'm about 47% more awesome than pimpdave.
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Re: Why Host Mafia on Conquer Club?

Postby owenshooter on Mon Nov 03, 2008 11:26 am

pimpdave wrote:Oh, and nagerous, I won't respond to you any further until you edit out that post that quoted material from another forum that has no bearing on this discussion.

i'm sorry, i disagree with you on this. nagerous posted a fit you threw in the mafia forum, and it has full bearing on the reasons you feel you are being excluded. it was a truly juvenile and disgusting display and pretty much shows exactly what sort of contributer you were to the mafia community. since nagerous backed down, i guess i'll go find it myself and post it. it is beyond valid. furthermore, you have not convinced anyone that your outrageous allegations are anywhere NEAR legit. plus, your use of "jim crow" is pretty disgusting. i have to side with nagerous and the other mafia players here, you are just clearly in the wrong. and now that you have pitched your fit and feel left out, you are pulling an IPH/wicked move, and trying to get your perceived "persecutor" removed through bogus complaints. this is sad. i really enjoy you in the GD pimpy, but this is really bush league and immature. now let me go find that quote...-0

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Re: Why Host Mafia on Conquer Club?

Postby pimpdave on Mon Nov 03, 2008 11:37 am

owen, you misunderstand me. So does nagerous, but that's another topic entirely.

Refer back to the OP, and see that I wrote that I'm leaning towards a resounding "No". My mind isn't made up. Which is why my vociferous protest of their bush league and immature refusal of access isn't pertinent to the debate.

They don't have to be such double standard dicks in that forum. If they weren't, I for one would be championing the value of Mafia.

But as it stands, it is not contributing to community, it is divisive, so long as the establishment is carried as "exclusive" without being advertised as such. Or in publicly refusing access. Why did I ruin a game by publicly resigning, when it isn't considered completely wrong to publicly refuse access to the game? Why shouldn't that be by PM?
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Re: Why Host Mafia on Conquer Club?

Postby got tonkaed on Mon Nov 03, 2008 11:39 am

I guess i dont particuarly think of it as that odd that there would be a mafia sort of board, though it may not be normal for most boards. Seemingly mafia has been apart of this particular forum (not GD but the CC at OT at least) since ive been here, which has been a reasonable amount of time. I think originally the idea was to create a more games oriented forum because a lot of the OT was beginning to get populated with different mafia games, as there was a reasonable size base growing and a lot of people wanted to try and run their own games. I dont entirely remember the specifics that well either, but i do sense that there was a point as well where it became reasonable to split the groups into the setting as it was now (the Forum Games/Mafia games sections).

I actually think given the popularity that mafia has had as an OT activity the site handled it fairly well. There was a point in time when i think plenty of people didnt want the OT section as a whole to get flooded with games (which it certainly could have when there was a big kick into more real time games) so being a relatively stable and keeping to itself community of users the mods decided to set it up. It probably also didnt hurt that a few former/current mods and old time people on the site had nothing against the game.

It does tend to get cliquish at times certianly, but i think thats probably on account of that many people are excited to try, but then do not actually find it to be for them. Id equate it somewhat to some of the newer recruits thinking id love to try CC but then not liking that they have to wait for the game and deadbeating. In games with small numbers of people this is certainly annoying, in a larger game where random chance can cause that person to be vital to the natural course of the game, it ends up being a bit of an issue. Hence over time its become quite acceptable for people to try and safeguard themselves by sticking to players they feel will stay active (certainly doesnt always work - thats why you see so many quirky games).

I think the question while sensible (though i think pimpdave has an axe to grind here) loses sight of how mafia sort of came about on the forum. Theres nothing its really done to hurt many peoples feelings and it is as far as i know not really ever encroaching past the bit of territory its been granted. Given the way it sort of worked itself out on the forum (a very specific to the boards history) the question seems less relevant. The question is almost as sensible, to argue given the above, why would you take mafia off the boards?
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sorry, pimpdave... but you aren't being fully honest...

Postby owenshooter on Mon Nov 03, 2008 11:43 am

pimpdave wrote:Oh, and nagerous, I won't respond to you any further until you edit out that post that quoted material from another forum that has no bearing on this discussion. Since it appears on the first page of this thread, it is an obvious attempt to subvert and alter the course of debate.


the quote and your behaviour in the mafia forum are absolutely relevant to this thread! you are crying out for the mafia games to be banned/removed, because you were excluded. however, when you read the thread and witness your behaviour, it is clear this thread should be locked and you should be ashamed. here is a sample of your posts within the mafia forum:
pimpdave wrote:You fucking idiots. I have until late November until this shit starts. That's more than enough time to learn your game.
But since you base everything on the one game I'm in now and tell me I can be a "backup", f*ck you, I don't want in, I won't play mafia again, go f*ck yourselves.

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pancakemix wrote:As a matter of fact, putting you in as a backup is pretty gracious, actually. He could've just turned you away, but he's giving you a chance.


Hey fuckwit, he's saying I'm not good enough to join, but maybe if someone flakes on the game, I'm in?

I'm the one being gracious you prick, I'm the one offering to join the game. But apparently this isn't come one come all. So then why is it advertised as such?

Well f*ck that, and f*ck you. Especially you pancakemix, f*ck off, you're what, like 12?

Just take me off your goddamn list and don't expect to see me in a mafia game again. That's all there is to it. Please continue to enjoy circle jerking yourselves and all of your "experienced" shit head friends, and then get all confused when you have no fresh blood.

This matter is closed, I am finished. f*ck you, f*ck you, f*ck you, f*ck you, You're cool Ink, f*ck you, f*ck you, f*ck you, You're cool AKD, f*ck you, f*ck you f*ck you. I'm out.

pimpdave wrote:Oh, I have an idea. I also know that games have a learning curve, and all that. I also know that I'm an incredibly quick study and when I signed up for the game, did so with the knowledge I had a month to learn the ins and outs of "Mafia".

And go ahead and cry sour grapes now, you're just another one of those cliquish pricks, apparently. Well f*ck off, you won't have to see me in your precious little clique games again. If I was supposed to resign the game you were modding by PM, then LSU could have shared his concerns with me via PM, but he didn't value discretion either.

So, I'm letting you all know in public, I think you're assholes and should let newbies play or else you'll never get any fresh blood nor deserve any of the grovelers that will actually eat your shit until you deem them "worthy" of admission to your cabal of cunts. Look elsewhere, cause I'm not buying.

funny how the mafia crowd was more than kind to try and explain what was going on to you, since you were a newb, and a backup in a new game. the thread is interesting too,
viewtopic.php?f=213&t=68265&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&hilit=mafia+pimpdave

and here you are crying out for them to be bannished, because they exclude people. even more hysterical is your claim of being flamed within this thread you just created, when your behaviour was beyond disgusting in the thread i just linked to. sorry pimpdave, but you lose this one. pack it in and admit you are/were wrong. the mafia players you are going after did nothing to you. you simply don't have the patience to learn a new game and expect to be treated as if you are full blown veteran with a full understanding of the game, which you obviously are not.-0
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Re: Why Host Mafia on Conquer Club?

Postby LSU Tiger Josh on Mon Nov 03, 2008 11:44 am

My original reply to Pimp putting down that he would be "in".
I'll put you as a backup. Watching the scene in cheese mafia makes me think you might not be experienced enough to handle my game as it has several layers beyond basic in it. No offense, but my themed games usually aren't the best games for a noobie to get their feet wet.


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Right, but the game I'm in is getting my feet wet.

Whatever, f*ck this. Keep your lame ass mafia clique. This is why you have no new blood.

How the f*ck is anyone supposed to learn? I hope this shit languishes and doesn't fill up. Because I won't be a "backup", you prick. Oh, and you could have done all of this by PM, instead of being a supercilious asshole in public.


Another mafia player responded this way
Think of it this way: You're taking a Trigonometry course, but you haven't taken Algebra and Geometry. How much Trig do you think you'll comprehend?

It's the same thing. Unless you start out small, you'll get nowhere.


Again Pimp showed that he didn't want to handle this advice and used great maturity to respond
You fucking idiots. I have until late November until this shit starts. That's more than enough time to learn your game.

But since you base everything on the one game I'm in now and tell me I can be a "backup", f*ck you, I don't want in, I won't play mafia again, go f*ck yourselves


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Chill out. No need to get feisty. But do consider what kind of game you're in right now. A newbie game. You can't just play one game and expect to be accepted without a second thought. That is, unless you do really well.

As a matter of fact, putting you in as a backup is pretty gracious, actually. He could've just turned you away, but he's giving you a chance.


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Hey fuckwit, he's saying I'm not good enough to join, but maybe if someone flakes on the game, I'm in?

I'm the one being gracious you prick, I'm the one offering to join the game. But apparently this isn't come one come all. So then why is it advertised as such?

Well f*ck that, and f*ck you. Especially you pancakemix, f*ck off, you're what, like 12?

Just take me off your goddamn list and don't expect to see me in a mafia game again. That's all there is to it. Please continue to enjoy circle jerking yourselves and all of your "experienced" shit head friends, and then get all confused when you have no fresh blood.

This matter is closed, I am finished. f*ck you, f*ck you, f*ck you, f*ck you, You're cool Ink, f*ck you, f*ck you, f*ck you, You're cool AKD, f*ck you, f*ck you f*ck you. I'm out.


Here is the response to that done by the moderator whose game Pimp ruined
You obviously have no clue how much work it can take to mod a big game, and that mafia has a learning curve. It only takes one word for someone to screw the whole game, I don't see why LSU should trust a player that just started, that seems pretty anal and unreliable seeing your last post in my game. No big loss...


Pimp shows no contriteness again and continues to show his ass
Oh, I have an idea. I also know that games have a learning curve, and all that. I also know that I'm an incredibly quick study and when I signed up for the game, did so with the knowledge I had a month to learn the ins and outs of "Mafia".

And go ahead and cry sour grapes now, you're just another one of those cliquish pricks, apparently. Well f*ck off, you won't have to see me in your precious little clique games again. If I was supposed to resign the game you were modding by PM, then LSU could have shared his concerns with me via PM, but he didn't value discretion either.

So, I'm letting you all know in public, I think you're assholes and should let newbies play or else you'll never get any fresh blood nor deserve any of the grovelers that will actually eat your shit until you deem them "worthy" of admission to your cabal of cunts. Look elsewhere, cause I'm not buying.


During all of this time, I wasn't at my computer and finally got back and responded
Well AD I'm sorry, but you're out then. I'm not taking a chance on a complete NOOB joining a big game especially after seeing how he was complaining of only 5 pages to read in the NOOB game when this game will generate a lot more content to read.

The noob game he is in will barely be over when this starts as that will be in just over 2 weeks. Playing 1 noob game to completion isn't really setting the world on fire. Maturity wise cursing several of us out really is wanting me to let his ass in the game NOT. Finally, he just fucked up cheese mafia because of his immaturity. If you insist on associating yourself on that kind of crap then I'm sorry AD, but enjoy your time off from mafia as he has ALREADY FUCKED UP ONE GAME.

The reason I put you(Pimpdave) on the backup list was so that you WOULD have more time to get prepared for something this complicated. I've spent the last 3 months trying to get this game straight and even so that it would run perfect and I'm not going to have a complete noob come in and possibly f*ck it all up because they weren't experienced enough to handle the game and/or wouldn't post enough because of too much to read when they had to get prodded over 5 pages of game play in a noob game. Yea I could've posted by pm and then look like an even bigger ass by not bothering to respond to someone wanting to say "in" for the game, but instead set it up where you would've gotten the extra time to learn the game and follow along and understand roles a hell of a lot better then you were doing in cheese mafia. Either way this subject is closed and AD as you requested, your name is off my list.


To me the matter was closed. Pimp on the other hand wants to take his ball and go on home. BTW Owen here is the complete transcription of what was happening minus his final insult of calling me a prick and a little bitch one last time :roll:
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Re: Why Host Mafia on Conquer Club?

Postby Bones2484 on Mon Nov 03, 2008 11:54 am

This post was made by pimpdave who is currently on your ignore list. Display this post.


This makes for an exciting thread!
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Re: Why Host Mafia on Conquer Club?

Postby RashidJelzin on Mon Nov 03, 2008 12:00 pm

I haven't ever played Mafia in a forum or online, but I do play it on occasions with friends when we get together. This, and werewolf, which has a similiar gaming- concept to it. If you ever played the game properly, it is understandable why the game-leaders make the games invite-only...
If you don't know the rules (and there are lots of them that can be confused, or orders of play you may not consider when you just started playing it), it is easy to screw up and tell a detail you should not- and in comparison to other games (such as risk), if you screw up once, it is quite possible for the complete game to be ruined- which is why I support the exclusivity of Mafia in the Forums.
However, if I reread pimpdave's initial post, it seems more like bitching and moaning than anythings else- about 50% of the crap written in the Forums don't relate to conquerclub, nor contribute to make it a "better place". If you're not allowed into Mafia games, such as you aren't allowed into certain private Conquerclub games, don't pauschalize Mafia players as cliquish brats... Double standard dicks? Ahem... look into the mirror, pal. Please don't compare voting and getting married to Mafia... there's a distinct difference... not sure what, but there is one somewhere, I'm sure...

*edit: whoops; pauschalize = trivialize. I've been under the impression "pauschalize" does exist in English. My bad.
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Re: Why Host Mafia on Conquer Club?

Postby pimpdave on Mon Nov 03, 2008 12:13 pm

RashidJelzin wrote: pauschalize


Is that German? Meaning "to pickle"? Good word, if I'm understanding you correctly.

And, the equal access to public commodities is the similarity I was drawing.

If the games are invite only, they ought to be conducted as such. And truly be INVITE ONLY. But they have open sign up sheets, which they can then use to put down anyone they deem to be too inferior to join. A public refusal of a publicly advertised commodity.

Doesn't add up, which is why I won't play again. I had been invited to join the newbie game, and I did. Since apparently it's all bogus and simply a ruse to maintain the status quo, I want no part of it. If there was a fundamental shift in the paradigm of running Mafia games (i.e. not limited to a little clique of supercilious hot shots), perhaps more newbies would actually join.

Apparently this pack mentality extends to even debating concepts, and resorts to marginalizing anyone with a contrary viewpoint and slinging about ad hominem attacks rather than actually approaching the real question at hand. But, I suppose I should expect nothing less from those that support and maintain the status quo. I'm not saying you are a part of that status quo, Rashid, I'm just musing about the direction this thread has taken.


ps. I've played mafia in groups of real life people too. Not nearly so complex as what is run here on the forums, but I certainly know enough to keep my mouth shut about details.
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Re: Why Host Mafia on Conquer Club?

Postby muy_thaiguy on Mon Nov 03, 2008 12:53 pm

If only NESconquerer were still around.
Anyways, I haven't played mafia games in a while, but I really can't say much more then what has already been said, except that pimpdave has shown that he won't admit to any fault of his, and instead tries to blame the mafia crowd for somehow being elitist. Considering LSU (who is known for his big and in-depth games) allowed him in after only one game in which he screwed up.
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Re: Why Host Mafia on Conquer Club?

Postby Optimus Prime on Mon Nov 03, 2008 12:54 pm

muy_thaiguy wrote:If only NESconquerer were still around.

I remember watching him, quality entertainment. :lol:
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Re: Why Host Mafia on Conquer Club?

Postby pimpdave on Mon Nov 03, 2008 1:05 pm

muy_thaiguy wrote:If only NESconquerer were still around.
Anyways, I haven't played mafia games in a while, but I really can't say much more then what has already been said, except that pimpdave has shown that he won't admit to any fault of his, and instead tries to blame the mafia crowd for somehow being elitist. Considering LSU (who is known for his big and in-depth games) allowed him in after only one game in which he screwed up.


Except I didn't screw up the game. I just resigned.

But you're all going back to the same bullshit. Just get back on topic. So far, only Ditocoaf and got tonkaed have actually said anything ON TOPIC.
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Re: Why Host Mafia on Conquer Club?

Postby Ditocoaf on Mon Nov 03, 2008 1:23 pm

pimpdave wrote:
muy_thaiguy wrote:If only NESconquerer were still around.
Anyways, I haven't played mafia games in a while, but I really can't say much more then what has already been said, except that pimpdave has shown that he won't admit to any fault of his, and instead tries to blame the mafia crowd for somehow being elitist. Considering LSU (who is known for his big and in-depth games) allowed him in after only one game in which he screwed up.


Except I didn't screw up the game. I just resigned.

But you're all going back to the same bullshit. Just get back on topic. So far, only Ditocoaf and got tonkaed have actually said anything ON TOPIC.

And your refusal to respond to my on-topic reply is exactly why this thread keeps going off-topic. My last on-topic reply was on page 1... you ignored it. You responded to posts that you consider off-topic, and so others responded to that, and then you responded to that. Ignoring what you like isn't a good way to keep it around.
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Re: Why Host Mafia on Conquer Club?

Postby ClessAlvein on Mon Nov 03, 2008 1:38 pm

The games are run by whoever is the OP, so it's their game. They decide. Not you. They can name it "pimpdave join this =) =) =)" and then run a game where you are decidedly excluded. It wouldn't be a nice thing to do, but there's nothing to complain about since it neither flames you nor does it detract from your experiences on the site in anyway unless you let it. It's only "divisive" if you let it be. Remember, that thread belongs to whoever hosted it, not you.
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Re: Why Host Mafia on Conquer Club?

Postby pimpdave on Mon Nov 03, 2008 1:43 pm

Ditocoaf wrote:They try to be accessible, but not every newbie can start out on the most complex games. And you don't have to agree. However, your sole opinion against everyone you disagree with, isn't enough to present a good case for removing mafia, however.


I'm not advocating a removal of Mafia, I'm asking why it is hosted here and advertised as a publicly accessible commodity when it is clearly not. Granted, I didn't frame the question that way, and was rather inflammatory both in my approach here and in my protest last night.

I must admit, this is being done in an effort to get the sphincters of the status quo in the Mafia sub-forum to loosen up a little bit and actually let people in, but in retrospect I should have waited until I was no longer so angry with LSU for acting like an exclusive jerk.

It is important to note here that I believe that people are dynamic, and even though LSU is acting like an exclusive jerk right now, he might come around at some point and develop an inclusive personality. Also, of course, my attempt at bringing him around will probably backfire, since he can just surround himself with his goons (like the Bush White House), as he already has, and simply sling ad hominems at people who point out that he's acting like an exclusive jerk.

I didn't want to take this all in a personal direction, but there it is.


ClessAlvein wrote:The games are run by whoever is the OP, so it's their game. They decide. Not you. They can name it "pimpdave join this =) =) =)" and then run a game where you are decidedly excluded. It wouldn't be a nice thing to do, but there's nothing to complain about since it neither flames you nor does it detract from your experiences on the site in anyway unless you let it. It's only "divisive" if you let it be. Remember, that thread belongs to whoever hosted it, not you.



Then why is it hosted on this website? And you're wrong. The threads belong to Conquer Club. They prove that every time they move things, lock things, or edit things.

Since we all pay for the service, we all deserve equal access to what is publicly provided. Private games and clan sub forums are not publicly provided and thus would not fall under the same criticism (at least not from me).
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Re: Why Host Mafia on Conquer Club?

Postby LSU Tiger Josh on Mon Nov 03, 2008 1:56 pm

Optimus Prime wrote:
muy_thaiguy wrote:If only NESconquerer were still around.

I remember watching him, quality entertainment. :lol:


I miss NES. He was always good for a day 1 lynch and a laugh when he attempted to mod :lol:
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Re: Why Host Mafia on Conquer Club?

Postby ClessAlvein on Mon Nov 03, 2008 1:58 pm

I would say that a mafia game is public content, but the act of playing is not quite so public. While the content of the boards can be moderated by CC, the mafia game itself is run by the OP and subject to his or her own arbitrary rules. Which can include something like "every post must contain a smiley to be a valid part of the game" or "no newbies allowed". Just as how you're not obligated to respond to every single poster that posts something to you, the mafia game host is not obligated to include players in a first-come first-served basis.
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Re: Why Host Mafia on Conquer Club?

Postby pimpdave on Mon Nov 03, 2008 2:04 pm

Then that should be moved off site. I'm paying to support it, along with everyone else, and I personally do not want to support something that is advertised as a publicly accessible commodity but is not.

If it is not open to all, don't make it publicly accessible.

It would prevent any newbies from wasting their time getting refused by the status quo, and limit the reinforcement of the negative attitudes of the people who just want to have a clique. Because that negative attitude spills out into the rest of the site, and creates an "us vs. them" attitude which contributes to the oft mentioned toxic atmosphere of the site.
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Re: Why Host Mafia on Conquer Club?

Postby Natewolfman on Mon Nov 03, 2008 2:05 pm

... I suddenly have an urge to play a mafia game which i havnt done yet on this site...
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Re: Why Host Mafia on Conquer Club?

Postby spiesr on Mon Nov 03, 2008 2:18 pm

One thing I have to say is that the gamedave tried to join , or any mafia game for that matter, aren't advertised as being open to everyone. They say that anyone can try to join but the mod will only let in who he feels like. So don't say they are advertised as open to all, causes they aren't and aren't advertised as such.
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Re: Why Host Mafia on Conquer Club?

Postby got tonkaed on Mon Nov 03, 2008 2:19 pm

pimpdave wrote:Then that should be moved off site. I'm paying to support it, along with everyone else, and I personally do not want to support something that is advertised as a publicly accessible commodity but is not.

If it is not open to all, don't make it publicly accessible.

It would prevent any newbies from wasting their time getting refused by the status quo, and limit the reinforcement of the negative attitudes of the people who just want to have a clique. Because that negative attitude spills out into the rest of the site, and creates an "us vs. them" attitude which contributes to the oft mentioned toxic atmosphere of the site.



while you may not be able to play in any particular thread, that does not exclude you in any capacity from playing mafia as a whole. While your actions may have made you less likely to participate (and for some to accept you for that matter) any random person has an oppertunity to play in any number of the games offered in that forum.

So mafia is open to all. I believe you have brought the majority of the negativity to the issue with what seemingly was the first overly negative reaction. Your paying to support something has little relevance here. You are one person paying, whereas the community at large, paying for the same service has little to no problem with the board as a general rule. If you seriously wish to push the paying customer line very far i think you would realize it is not one that helps your argument all that much.
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Re: Why Host Mafia on Conquer Club?

Postby pimpdave on Mon Nov 03, 2008 2:23 pm

spiesr wrote:One thing I have to say is that the gamedave tried to join , or any mafia game for that matter, aren't advertised as being open to everyone. They say that anyone can try to join but the mod will only let in who he feels like. So don't say they are advertised as open to all, causes they aren't and aren't advertised as such.


It doesn't say any of that and you know it. It says he needs players. That communicates it being open to anyone willing to sign up.


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I wanted to join for two reasons. I know a good deal about the American Revolution and thought that would be fun. I also like the idea of it being a complex game, having been doing some reading up on the online version of Mafia.

However, that is all a moot point now. I don't care, and won't attempt to play mafia again.

And F the status quo.
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Re: Why Host Mafia on Conquer Club?

Postby spiesr on Mon Nov 03, 2008 2:28 pm

pimpdave wrote:It doesn't say any of that and you know it. It says he needs players. That communicates it being open to anyone willing to sign up.
Not neccesarrily...
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