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Postby dagreatbroomhead on Sat Jan 20, 2007 9:28 am

Now, because i am forced to, i will claim. 4 votes is pretty scary.

As you all know i am an escaped convict. My power is to search someone each night to try and unlock my role.
Night one i found on AK explosives. Meaning two things to be, sufficient evidence that he was a bad guy, and that i know had the ability Trigger
It lets me have two things. If i am killed at night, i will set of my explosives and kill whoever killed me. i will still die, but i will kill whoever killed me. and secondly, if i am lynched during the day, i will kill whoever has the last vote on me. I die aswell.
The next night i tried search backglass because i thought he was the doc and i wanted that power aswell. but he died that night so i got nothing.
the next night i searched mach. i didn't find anything, this could mean that he isn't anything, or that he doesn't have anything to take.

so thats my claim.
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Postby dagreatbroomhead on Sat Jan 20, 2007 9:29 am

Now finally, i have layed my post into 3 parts, the defence, the role and the accusation. This is the ladder (3rd)

Machiavelli wrote:On the subject of Master Bush, all he has been doing is throwing out names.


All he does is accuses people, and then he waits to see if anyone will go along with him.


That way, he will always be able to say "I started the movement to lynch so-and-so"


The only person who I think has never been accused by him is Hussom, I cant think of another Person who was not accused by him.


Good point. You really only see those things when you are accused by him.

Master Bush wrote:Since this day started, I have thrown out 4 Names. 2 I believe are mafia (broom and bogus) 1 who I think might be mafia (you) and one I changed my mind on (trestain)

Oh so you are in fallible and have figured out the rest of the game eh? And if we were to take your opion we’d only have a chance of you being right, because A, you could be mafia, and one of the most common mafia tactics is to finger a mafia friend and an innocent, so if the mafia firend ends up dying, you can say he look, I was right, lets kill this guy to. B, you could be town and just be wrong(you are, I am innocent)

Master Bush wrote:That's what most people do in most mafia games. They throw someone's name out there, and wait to see if someone can help prove it, or come and prove it wrong.

No, that’s the lazy way of doing it. If you are going to accuse someone get your own evidence!


master bush wrote:I vote for AK_iceman

Too much backpeddling by him. And I'm pretty sure once he's outed as mafia, my next vote will be for dagreatbroomhead.


THIS IS WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT! Fingering a mafia buddy and an innocent! Don’t let me forget to get those articles talking about common mafia tells.

Master Bush wrote:And notice how he tried to get townies with power roles to come forward. Nice way to found out who has what power in-order to kill them off at night.

I don’t think anyone one else interpreted it the way you did. I meant use them not tell about them. I’ve watched Andy’s games pretty closely and he always puts roles in that the user doesn’t know what they do, and in past games they’ve gone unused.

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Master Bush wrote:I know that's a crazy, but this twist is something along those lines. And after reading every single page in this thread, broom didn't once really go after AK, and only voted for him once we found out about autoload being the cop, and he knew everyone knew that AK was mafia, and he was as good as lynched, so I jumped in early with his AK vote to look like a townie.


Slip-up or typo??

Good find!
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Postby trestain on Sat Jan 20, 2007 10:47 am

dagreatbroomhead wrote:Now, because i am forced to, i will claim. 4 votes is pretty scary.

As you all know i am an escaped convict. My power is to search someone each night to try and unlock my role.
Night one i found on AK explosives. Meaning two things to be, sufficient evidence that he was a bad guy, and that i know had the ability Trigger
It lets me have two things. If i am killed at night, i will set of my explosives and kill whoever killed me. i will still die, but i will kill whoever killed me. and secondly, if i am lynched during the day, i will kill whoever has the last vote on me. I die aswell.
The next night i tried search backglass because i thought he was the doc and i wanted that power aswell. but he died that night so i got nothing.
the next night i searched mach. i didn't find anything, this could mean that he isn't anything, or that he doesn't have anything to take.

so thats my claim.


Just a couple of things wouldn't AK also have had the trigger role aswell then? because Houssam had the last vote on him and he is still alive.

Also it's conveniant that that if you are kiled at night you will kill whoever takes a shot at you. A nice story put together for us townies to make us believe the mafia won't kill you.

It is also pretty conveniant that the only person alive from your 3 searches, to verify your story had nothing of value to give you.

One other thing if your role is true, why did you not shout it from the rooftops as soon as you discovered the explosives, I would have done, infact i would have dared the mafia to come get me. This seems strange because earlier you was trying to get people to use there special powers, why did you not bring this out then, to start the ball rolling so to speak.
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Postby Master Bush on Sat Jan 20, 2007 11:41 am

wicked wrote:
Master Bush wrote:I know that's a crazy, but this twist is something along those lines. And after reading every single page in this thread, broom didn't once really go after AK, and only voted for him once we found out about autoload being the cop, and he knew everyone knew that AK was mafia, and he was as good as lynched, so I jumped in early with his AK vote to look like a townie.


Slip-up or typo??


Of course it's a typo. I was talking about broom durning that whole paragraph.
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Re: hi

Postby wicked on Sat Jan 20, 2007 11:46 am

trestain wrote:well all that the pm,s from reverend kyle prove to me is that AK knew the win condition before rev told him. That means any of the mafia would have done so broom posting the win conditionn means nothing. My vote remains.


uuugghh!!! he knew b/c Broom mentioned it in the damn thread! eveyrone knew! IC did NOT mention the win condition in the PM's until after Broom had done so.
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Postby wicked on Sat Jan 20, 2007 11:58 am

Tres, nothing in your last post makes sense, or sounds like a townie. Why would broom claim a role, unless he HAD to? To put a target on his back?

The way I understand it, Broom TAKES what he searches off the person, hence someone else "exploding" if they killed him. Since IC no longer had the explosives, that explains that, or does it? I need to read about that role.

Broom, so your role obtains powers, unlocks roles, or what? that part confused me. Also, does the person you search know about the power, i.e. did IC know he had explosives? With IC being two-faced and having explosives, he sounds like the mafia head, as they usually have more powers than plain mafia. Not that that means anything.
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Postby wicked on Sat Jan 20, 2007 12:00 pm

What doesn't make sense Broom, is why you let the lynch go on against Auto if you knew IC was mafia? You made the choice to protect yourself at the sacrifice of the cop.
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Postby trestain on Sat Jan 20, 2007 12:11 pm

wicked wrote:Tres, nothing in your last post makes sense, or sounds like a townie. Why would broom claim a role, unless he HAD to? To put a target on his back?

The way I understand it, Broom TAKES what he searches off the person, hence someone else "exploding" if they killed him. Since IC no longer had the explosives, that explains that, or does it? I need to read about that role.

Broom, so your role obtains powers, unlocks roles, or what? that part confused me. Also, does the person you search know about the power, i.e. did IC know he had explosives? With IC being two-faced and having explosives, he sounds like the mafia head, as they usually have more powers than plain mafia. Not that that means anything.



Wicked, the part where he says if anyone kills him overnight they will die too is why i would have role claimed.
If his role true and the mafia did try to kill him we would have gotten another mafia.
What would have been the problem with putting a target on your back if you KNEW you was telling the truth and the mafia who tried to kill you overnight would die with you.

Also i am suspicious of the fact that the said the last person to vote to lynch him will die with him, sounds like scaremongering to me
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Postby Machiavelli on Sat Jan 20, 2007 12:18 pm

wicked wrote:What doesn't make sense Broom, is why you let the lynch go on against Auto if you knew IC was mafia? You made the choice to protect yourself at the sacrifice of the cop.


The cop claimed and revealed AK as mafia, yet we lynched him. Maybe broomy didnt think roleclaiming would be the safest thing to do at the time.

Also, if I were in Broomy's position when I found the es with AK, I would not immeadietly assume he was mafia. A vigilante could have es too.

Once IC claimed to be a mason, then Broom probably should have come out, but I dont think that Broom even got on After AK and kyle revealed their roles.
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Postby Machiavelli on Sat Jan 20, 2007 12:20 pm

trestain wrote:
wicked wrote:Tres, nothing in your last post makes sense, or sounds like a townie. Why would broom claim a role, unless he HAD to? To put a target on his back?

The way I understand it, Broom TAKES what he searches off the person, hence someone else "exploding" if they killed him. Since IC no longer had the es, that explains that, or does it? I need to read about that role.

Broom, so your role obtains powers, unlocks roles, or what? that part confused me. Also, does the person you search know about the power, i.e. did IC know he had es? With IC being two-faced and having es, he sounds like the mafia head, as they usually have more powers than plain mafia. Not that that means anything.



Wicked, the part where he says if anyone kills him overnight they will die too is why i would have role claimed.
If his role true and the mafia did try to kill him we would have gotten another mafia.
What would have been the problem with putting a target on your back if you KNEW you was telling the truth and the mafia who tried to kill you overnight would die with you.

Also i am suspicious of the fact that the said the last person to vote to lynch him will die with him, sounds like scaremongering to me



He didnt claim because he was probably hoping that the mafia would try to kill him. I think that everyone in this game would sacrifice themself to kill a mafia. Now that broomy has roleclaimed, he has greatly assured his safety, but I doubt the mafia would try to kill him now.
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Postby Machiavelli on Sat Jan 20, 2007 12:21 pm

wicked wrote: does the person you search know about the power,



I was never told that I was searched, but once again I believe broom to be a very credible source.

wicked wrote:Tres, nothing in your last post makes sense, or sounds like a townie.



I thought the exact same thing when I read that post, I think that MB and trestain are mafia.
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Postby wicked on Sat Jan 20, 2007 12:24 pm

well even if he is possibly lying about this, we can't afford to take that chance and lose a power role.

Broom, how do we know you didn't also get the power to infect from IC?
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Postby Master Bush on Sat Jan 20, 2007 12:25 pm

Here's a question...

If Broom found out that AK was mafia on night 1, then why didn't he throw him a fos? Why didn't he even point a finger at AK at any point durning day 1? Why didn't he vote for AK when he was up to 6 or 7 votes on day 1?

Now if you look back on day, you will see that Broom voted for AK. That means nothing, cause once we found out autoload was the cop, everyone including the mafia and AK himself, knew he was toast. So what would be the best way to get by under the radar as mafia, after we found out about autoload telling the truth about AK......it would be to take part in his lynching the next day, when you know there's no way to stop it.

Also, his claim says he got to see 3 people's powers. 2 of those 3 are dead, and cant say if he's lying or not. The 3rd is someone I have been thinking is mafia for this whole day and is now backing broom on this page (Mach) so clearly Mach will back this claim if the are both mafia.

It's a no brainer who needs to be lynched here.

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Postby Master Bush on Sat Jan 20, 2007 12:27 pm

Master Bush wrote:Here's a question...

If Broom found out that AK was mafia on night 1, then why didn't he throw him a fos? Why didn't he even point a finger at AK at any point durning day 1? Why didn't he vote for AK when he was up to 6 or 7 votes on day 1?

Now if you look back on day, you will see that Broom voted for AK. That means nothing, cause once we found out autoload was the cop, everyone including the mafia and AK himself, knew he was toast. So what would be the best way to get by under the radar as mafia, after we found out about autoload telling the truth about AK......it would be to take part in his lynching the next day, when you know there's no way to stop it.

Also, his claim says he got to see 3 people's powers. 2 of those 3 are dead, and cant say if he's lying or not. The 3rd is someone I have been thinking is mafia for this whole day and is now backing broom on this page (Mach) so clearly Mach will back this claim if the are both mafia.

It's a no brainer who needs to be lynched here.

BROOM.


that should said:

Now if you look back on day 2
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Postby Machiavelli on Sat Jan 20, 2007 12:31 pm

wicked wrote:Broom, how do we know you didn't also get the power to infect from IC?


That is a really good point and I didnt even think of that.

Maybe that's why there were two kills last night, the mafia get to make a kill and now broomy does too. :shock:
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Postby wicked on Sat Jan 20, 2007 1:07 pm

I think we need to hear from Broom again before pushing any votes. And as we are quickly losing daylight here, Broom get your ass back here!

So you search people and get whats on them? Then how could you have assumed the doctor's power/role? If you were to assume the doc's power, than you assumed the mafia's power as well.
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Postby wicked on Sat Jan 20, 2007 1:22 pm

Master Bush wrote:Now if you look back on day, you will see that Broom voted for AK. That means nothing, cause once we found out autoload was the cop, everyone including the mafia and AK himself, knew he was toast. So what would be the best way to get by under the radar as mafia, after we found out about autoload telling the truth about AK......it would be to take part in his lynching the next day, when you know there's no way to stop it.


WHOA!!! That's what I was trying to tell you earlier and you completely disagreed!!!

MB, I'm finding your constant waffling and accusing of everyone to be very suspicious. You have accused everyone here and claimed you were sure they were mafia this entire game. I was beginning to trust you since you kept saying Houssam and I were townies, but you could've been doing that just to get me to trust you and take the heat off of Houssam, who I still think may be pro-mafia.

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Postby trestain on Sat Jan 20, 2007 2:09 pm

wicked wrote:I think we need to hear from Broom again before pushing any votes. And as we are quickly losing daylight here, Broom get your ass back here!

So you search people and get whats on them? Then how could you have assumed the doctor's power/role? If you were to assume the doc's power, than you assumed the mafia's power as well.


If this is the case we have to lynch him if he is telling the truth about his role then he has the power to infect, if he is lying then he is mafia.

My vote will not change
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Postby XenHu on Sat Jan 20, 2007 2:27 pm

Nor mine...


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(MB's waffling is an interesting point btw)...
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Postby wicked on Sat Jan 20, 2007 2:39 pm

well it wasn't so much waffling, that might not have been the best word, hard really to describe what he's doing.

Guys, give Broom a chance to respond here before voting for him ... we don't fully understand his role, and he needs to further explain exactly how he strips/steals from people at night. What did Andy term your role Broom? Anyone who bandwagons this vote right now, before finding out all the details of how this works from Broom will be mafia.

Broom, you really have to come on and post more often if you expect to live. You can't just throw out this info and disappear again for 24 hours. Our deadline is tomorrow... we can't afford to lose another power role if you're pro-town.
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Postby wicked on Sat Jan 20, 2007 2:42 pm

trestain wrote:If this is the case we have to lynch him if he is telling the truth about his role then he has the power to infect, if he is lying then he is mafia.

My vote will not change


Tres, what exactly will we learn from his death at this point if he is telling the truth? Nothing. You guys have already sacrificed one power role, let's not do that again! At least in Auto's death, we learned something, even if that wasn't the best way to go about it.
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Postby Master Bush on Sat Jan 20, 2007 2:45 pm

wicked wrote:Anyone who bandwagons this vote right now, before finding out all the details of how this works from Broom will be mafia.


What kind of crap is that? It's almost like you're trying to protect Broom, by threating anyone who votes for him, that they will be lynched for it? I mean, what if the next 2 people who vote for broom are right and he is mafia....are you still gonna claim those 2 are mafia?
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Postby wicked on Sat Jan 20, 2007 2:48 pm

obviously not if he turned out to be mafia MB. :roll:

Yes, I'm trying to protect him UNTIL we learn more about his role!!! I am not standing by and letting you guys sacrifice another possible pro-town power role like you did Auto!!!! I'm not saying he's not w/o suspicious, I'm saying I want to learn more about his role, and hear the answers to my questions. The fact that you guys won't even CONSIDER he could be telling the truth is suspicious!!!
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Postby Master Bush on Sat Jan 20, 2007 2:51 pm

There's no way to know if he's lying. I dont know if there's anything he can say to prove if he's lying.

All I know is, he claim to know about AK being mafia from night 1, but did nothing to point a finger at AK on day 1, even when AK had as many as 7 votes. WHY?
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Postby wicked on Sat Jan 20, 2007 2:51 pm

We still need Houssam, Moz & Free to weigh in on this new development as well. quickly please! deadline's a'looming!!! :shock:
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