Sued? Copyrights?

[4myGod]

I notice a lot of things on this site that make me wonder... Was there some sort of law suit? or did Hasbro or Risk or whatever message the owner?

I notice:
- No regular risk map
- They "dice" is actually "intensity levels" according to the game instructions
- The cards are known as Spoils rather than cards
- The "spoils" use colors rather than the original infantry, troop, cannon
- There is the "we are not associated with risk" message down at the bottom

What happened? and how much of this is because of copyright or just being creative. Is this just because you charge money? I notice another site out there not associated with risk, but it has all the regular risk stuff... like... it looks like they took a picture of the board it's so exact lol.

[Kotaro]

There was some sort of rude awakening that made Lackattack redesign the site in fear of copyright. I don't think they were actually sued.

[wcaclimbing]

I notice:
- No regular risk map
- They "dice" is actually "intensity levels" according to the game instructions
- The cards are known as Spoils rather than cards
- The "spoils" use colors rather than the original infantry, troop, cannon
- There is the "we are not associated with risk" message down at the bottom

They actually have always used colors instead of infantry, troop, cannon. It just makes it easier and they don't have to load a picture next to each card.

But everything else you mentioned is correct. Those things were all changed.

[azezzo]

really curious as to just how much convincing it would take to get hasbro to let c.c. use the classic map. By convincing i mean money. This should be looked into, I for 1 would be happy to pay to be able to play the classic map. I realize that some people could care less about it, but perhaps lackattack could have an ultrapremium membership, who pay more to play that map.

[phantomzero]

I notice a lot of things on this site that make me wonder... Was there some sort of law suit? or did Hasbro or Risk or whatever message the owner?

I notice:
- No regular risk map
- They "dice" is actually "intensity levels" according to the game instructions
- The cards are known as Spoils rather than cards
- The "spoils" use colors rather than the original infantry, troop, cannon
- There is the "we are not associated with risk" message down at the bottom

What happened? and how much of this is because of copyright or just being creative. Is this just because you charge money? I notice another site out there not associated with risk, but it has all the regular risk stuff... like... it looks like they took a picture of the board it's so exact lol.

I guess you must have played a ton of Risk before joining the site. You've manages to win your first 3 games here. And they've all been 4 players! Nice!

[gimil]

really curious as to just how much convincing it would take to get hasbro to let c.c. use the classic map. By convincing i mean money. This should be looked into, I for 1 would be happy to pay to be able to play the classic map. I realize that some people could care less about it, but perhaps lackattack could have an ultrapremium membership, who pay more to play that map.

How much ConquerClub make is a peddle compared to Hasbro. However much lack could offer for rights to use the classic map would definetly not be enought.

[KernowWarrior]

I'm amased Hasbro hasn't started their own site yet.

[azezzo]

really curious as to just how much convincing it would take to get hasbro to let c.c. use the classic map. By convincing i mean money. This should be looked into, I for 1 would be happy to pay to be able to play the classic map. I realize that some people could care less about it, but perhaps lackattack could have an ultrapremium membership, who pay more to play that map.

How much ConquerClub make is a peddle compared to Hasbro. However much lack could offer for rights to use the classic map would definetly not be enought.

You very well may be right, but its still worth looking into, hasbro may very well be interested as another form of revenue in a bad economy. It would not necesarrily detract customers from hasbro, I play here at C.C. yet i own the board game. Perhaps they would view it as increasing its market share, similarly to how napster shares music rights. rather than being negative and saying it would never work, that hasbro would never consider it, its worth investigating.

[gimil]

really curious as to just how much convincing it would take to get hasbro to let c.c. use the classic map. By convincing i mean money. This should be looked into, I for 1 would be happy to pay to be able to play the classic map. I realize that some people could care less about it, but perhaps lackattack could have an ultrapremium membership, who pay more to play that map.

How much ConquerClub make is a peddle compared to Hasbro. However much lack could offer for rights to use the classic map would definetly not be enought.

You very well may be right, but its still worth looking into, hasbro may very well be interested as another form of revenue in a bad economy. It would not necesarrily detract customers from hasbro, I play here at C.C. yet i own the board game. Perhaps they would view it as increasing its market share, similarly to how napster shares music rights. rather than being negative and saying it would never work, that hasbro would never consider it, its worth investigating.

Hasbro makes millions each year! (don't know the numbers off the top of my head) but I know for a fact that CC does not make any money anywhere near the millions. Even if every person currently active on the scoreboard had premium that would barely make half a million dollars.

[JJM]

I notice a lot of things on this site that make me wonder... Was there some sort of law suit? or did Hasbro or Risk or whatever message the owner?

I notice:
- No regular risk map
- They "dice" is actually "intensity levels" according to the game instructions
- The cards are known as Spoils rather than cards
- The "spoils" use colors rather than the original infantry, troop, cannon
- There is the "we are not associated with risk" message down at the bottom

What happened? and how much of this is because of copyright or just being creative. Is this just because you charge money? I notice another site out there not associated with risk, but it has all the regular risk stuff... like... it looks like they took a picture of the board it's so exact lol.

It was probably done so they would not have to risk haveing a law suit.

[neanderpaul14]

I guess you must have played a ton of Risk before joining the site. You've manages to win your first 3 games here. And they've all been 4 players! Nice!

And all on 2.1...........very nice work for a n00b hmmmmm????

[hwhrhett]

I guess you must have played a ton of Risk before joining the site. You've manages to win your first 3 games here. And they've all been 4 players! Nice!

And all on 2.1...........very nice work for a n00b hmmmmm????

also alot of posts and suggestions and forum activity for a newer conquer-lover. uh... keep up the good work...

[azezzo]

really curious as to just how much convincing it would take to get hasbro to let c.c. use the classic map. By convincing i mean money. This should be looked into, I for 1 would be happy to pay to be able to play the classic map. I realize that some people could care less about it, but perhaps lackattack could have an ultrapremium membership, who pay more to play that map.

How much ConquerClub make is a peddle compared to Hasbro. However much lack could offer for rights to use the classic map would definetly not be enought.

You very well may be right, but its still worth looking into, hasbro may very well be interested as another form of revenue in a bad economy. It would not necesarrily detract customers from hasbro, I play here at C.C. yet i own the board game. Perhaps they would view it as increasing its market share, similarly to how napster shares music rights. rather than being negative and saying it would never work, that hasbro would never consider it, its worth investigating.

Hasbro makes millions each year! (don't know the numbers off the top of my head) but I know for a fact that CC does not make any money anywhere near the millions. Even if every person currently active on the scoreboard had premium that would barely make half a million dollars.

Gimil, stay out of public relations you are a terrible salesman with that negativity. You dont focus on your negatives when trying to push your sales pitch on a client. Just as music groups were hesitant to allow their music to be on Napster originally, they have all seen the advantages of their music being so much more readily available to the public. There are different ways to market a product, if it takes hiring an advertising firm, or a P.R. professional, it should be looked into for the advancement of this site. I'm sure Lack would greatly appreciate it if you would actively persue new ways to increase the long term growth of this site, and thereby increasing revenues, and insuring the continued success of this site.

[hwhrhett]

i think the success of the site is directly related to how much the site can distance itself from classic risk... which i think it can do pretty well with all the new and innovative maps and stuff...

[a.sub]

It was probably done so they would not have to risk haveing a law suit.

they made $19.7 million, in the first quarter of 09
but made $37.5 million last quarter
please not that these are profits not revenue
Source

[gimil]

Gimil, stay out of public relations you are a terrible salesman with that negativity. You dont focus on your negatives when trying to push your sales pitch on a client. Just as music groups were hesitant to allow their music to be on Napster originally, they have all seen the advantages of their music being so much more readily available to the public. There are different ways to market a product, if it takes hiring an advertising firm, or a P.R. professional, it should be looked into for the advancement of this site. I'm sure Lack would greatly appreciate it if you would actively persue new ways to increase the long term growth of this site, and thereby increasing revenues, and insuring the continued success of this site.

I'm not being negative, I am being realistic. Lack as a sole trader with a small business who is highly, highly successful. In comparison to hasbro who conquer club is very very small. I would much rather see money being invested in more staff on this site to do coding than I would see it on getting rights for one map off of a company who's economies of scale will make it damn near impossible to get anyway.

[a.sub]

Gimil, stay out of public relations you are a terrible salesman with that negativity. You dont focus on your negatives when trying to push your sales pitch on a client. Just as music groups were hesitant to allow their music to be on Napster originally, they have all seen the advantages of their music being so much more readily available to the public. There are different ways to market a product, if it takes hiring an advertising firm, or a P.R. professional, it should be looked into for the advancement of this site. I'm sure Lack would greatly appreciate it if you would actively persue new ways to increase the long term growth of this site, and thereby increasing revenues, and insuring the continued success of this site.

I'm not being negative, I am being realistic. Lack as a sole trader with a small business who is highly, highly successful. In comparison to hasbro who conquer club is very very small. I would much rather see money being invested in more staff on this site to do coding than I would see it on getting rights for one map off of a company who's economies of scale will make it damn near impossible to get anyway.

It was probably done so they would not have to risk haveing a law suit.

they made $19.7 million, in the first quarter of 09
but made $37.5 million last quarter
please not that these are profits not revenue
Source

Just proving his point

[4myGod]

Well guys I appreciate the info. Yeah, I was just curious if it was a preemptive caution to avoid a lawsuit or if there was actual a law suit or words exchanged that motivated the decision.

You have both:
http://www.riskattack.com/
and the face book application

Both of these are running the classic map, yet conquer club isn't, that's where my curiosity came from.

[hwhrhett]

Well guys I appreciate the info. Yeah, I was just curious if it was a preemptive caution to avoid a lawsuit or if there was actual a law suit or words exchanged that motivated the decision.

You have both:
http://www.riskattack.com/
and the face book application

Both of these are running the classic map, yet conquer club isn't, that's where my curiosity came from.

hasbro sues these small companies all the time, go to google and search for 'hasbro lawsuit' or 'hasbro cease desist'.

[JimRocky]

really curious as to just how much convincing it would take to get hasbro to let c.c. use the classic map. By convincing i mean money. This should be looked into, I for 1 would be happy to pay to be able to play the classic map. I realize that some people could care less about it, but perhaps lackattack could have an ultrapremium membership, who pay more to play that map.

That's a good idea. I floated a similar one a long time ago, though I hadn't thought of the ultra-premium add-on angle.
I think should also be a sub-premium level of membership too, for those who want to play more than four free games, but don't want to play speed games all day and tons of regular games.