Logic dictates that there is a God!

[Machiavelli]

and much more than a mere prophet.

Hhhhmmmm, you claim to believe in God, but have broken one of his Commandments...

Thou shall take no gods before me

The false concept that Jesus was divine... did not occur until 2-3 centuries after his .

Jesus was born a Jew, lived as a Jew and died as a Jew.

He never claimed anything else.

Many people who are strong believers in god break commandments.

There are 613 of them after all. How many can you name off the top of your head?

[vtmarik]

Many people who are strong believers in god break commandments.

There are 613 of them after all. How many can you name off the top of your head?

I have often heard of these other 603 commandments... Where can I see these in some form of list, do you know?

[Machiavelli]

no but my cristian friend was singing a song about them.

I would google "613 commandments"

BTW

I am a dislexic, ignostic, insomniac, who lies awake at night wondering if there is a dog.

(And yes, I know I spelled stuff wrong...)

[jay_a2j]

You do not know what you are talking about. Jesus said, I and the Father are ONE.


Jesus also said, "Tear down this temple and in 3 days I will raise it up" <<< Jesus here was refering to himself (3 day resurection) Who has the power to resurect the dead except God! Yet here Jesus says, "I will raise it in three days!"


A little lesson on the divinity of Christ.

Jesus also said after his miracle of healing that "Your faith has healed you." He didn't say "I healed you."

Think about that for a moment. If the man's faith healed him, then what was Jesus doing? The answer? Nothing.

Jesus wasn't sent here to die for our sins or to redeem mankind or any of that nonsense. Jesus was sent here as an object lesson. It was God's way of telling us "Here is a Man without free will. He will say some important things and then he will die because that's why I sent him down there."

God is the ultimate spokesperson for questioning authority. Think about it. Would you let yourself get nailed to a cross if your Mom or Dad told you to do it?

Jesus was God's tool. Through Him, God was telling Man to stop blindly following and to start thinking for himself. "Or else," God warned, "You'll end up letting yourself get nailed to a cross for simply saying how groovy it would be to be nice to each other for a change."

Both your posts are nothing but trash.I could respond to the ignorance of your posts but will not waste my time.



Jesus said, "Do not throw pearls to be trampled on by swine." and so I won't. Your hatred for God is something you need to deal with and you have exactly one lifetime to do so. If you are going to post nothing but mere blasphemy consider this debate ended.

[vtmarik]

Oh right, the Mitzvot. I'd forgotten about those.

Thanks Machiavelli

[Machiavelli]

Did I miss the part when vtmarik said he dislikes god?

I do believe in God btw so you dont need to rant at me jay.

vtmarik is making the better points though.

Some things I believe sience and some things you just have to take on faith.

And if you didnt want to get into this argument why did you start it?

[vtmarik]

Both your posts are nothing but trash.I could respond to the ignorance of your posts but will not waste my time.

Oh! So that's why your responding to the post! I thought you were just a retard! But no, it's because you won't waste your time responding to my post.

*bangs head on desk*

Jesus said, "Do not throw pearls to be trampled on by swine." and so I won't. Your hatred for God is something you need to deal with and you have exactly one lifetime to do so. If you are going to post nothing but mere blasphemy consider this debate ended.

*speaks in an Indian accent* I hope I am reincarnated as a scientist, so I will never have to see you again. In the meantime, take your goofiness and your lack of information and GET THE PARK OUT OF MY STORE!!!

[wolfman]

well o.k. if life started as an ooze then where did that ooze come from??

let me guess, nueclear fision(spell check). well what made that fuision??

let me guess, it just happened. well that makes no sense what-so-ever

[AndyDufresne]

Does any of this really make any sense?

--Andy

[vtmarik]

well o.k. if life started as an ooze then where did that ooze come from??

let me guess, nueclear fision(spell check). well what made that fuision??

let me guess, it just happened. well that makes no sense what-so-ever

The ooze was formed from base amino acids formed when an electrical current (most likely a lightning bolt) was passed through volcanic gases in a liquid medium (most likely water).

Another theory is that life started from bacteria that may have survived a meteor collision.

Just because we aren't completely certain how the whole process started doesn't invalidate all of the evidence. Like how the lack of any physical evidence of God doesn't invalidate His existence.

[vyvyan]

Science teaches the ability to SPEAK is a LEARNED behavior! Who then taught the apes to speak? and not just 1 language but hundreds of them????

Noam Chomsky would cry if he read this.

[areon]

Jesus wasn't sent here to die for our sins or to redeem mankind or any of that nonsense. Jesus was sent here as an object lesson. It was God's way of telling us "Here is a Man without free will. He will say some important things and then he will die because that's why I sent him down there."

God is the ultimate spokesperson for questioning authority. Think about it. Would you let yourself get nailed to a cross if your Mom or Dad told you to do it?

Jesus was God's tool. Through Him, God was telling Man to stop blindly following and to start thinking for himself. "Or else," God warned, "You'll end up letting yourself get nailed to a cross for simply saying how groovy it would be to be nice to each other for a change."

I don't know if I can agree with that. Free thought isn't always available to us. People have a tendency to do what they are told or wouldn't normally do if their emotions are manipulated. Being given a situation that doesn't have a perceptible alternative also tends to make people act "crazy."

I don't care for debating whether a god exists, I cherish my mortality. Just being a part of this world for a lifetime is enough to sustain me.

[jay_a2j]

Did I miss the part when vtmarik said he dislikes god?

I do believe in God btw so you dont need to rant at me jay.

vtmarik is making the better points though.

Some things I believe sience and some things you just have to take on faith.

And if you didnt want to get into this argument why did you start it?

Ranting at you???? What are you talking about? I didn't intend for atheists to start spewing twisted scripture to argue the non-existence of God!

That guy has not a clue of what he's talking about yet tries to come off as a Biblical scholar! An ooze that came from "volcanic gasses"??? So now we are to believe that there is an eternal volcano somewhere in the universe! Lightning??? Give me a break. You can't get something from nothing!

vt is making better points? Oh I musta missed them then...I'll have to re-read his less than stellar arguments.

[Machiavelli]

Did I miss the part when vtmarik said he dislikes god?

I do believe in God btw so you dont need to rant at me jay.

vtmarik is making the better points though.

Some things I believe sience and some things you just have to take on faith.

And if you didnt want to get into this argument why did you start it?

Ranting at you???? What are you talking about? I didn't intend for atheists to start spewing twisted scripture to argue the non-existence of God!

That guy has not a clue of what he's talking about yet tries to come off as a Biblical scholar! An ooze that came from "volcanic gasses"??? So now we are to believe that there is an eternal volcano somewhere in the universe! Lightning??? Give me a break. You can't get something from nothing!

vt is making better points? Oh I musta missed them then...I'll have to re-read his less than stellar arguments.

I didnt say you were ranting at me, you were ranting at vtmarik.

About the volcano, the big bang theory started the earth, the earth was then molten lava, covered with volcano's all over. It was so hot that it couldnt rain without the water instantly evaporating. When the earth got cool enough, there was a rain storm that lasted millions of years, hence the oceans. However there were still volcanic vent under the oceans. The volcanic gases floated to the surface and were struck by lightning forming the first cell.

[howie]

Does any of this really make any sense?

--Andy

Thats the key, none of it makes sence, thats why its faith because its what we belive not what we know.

[vtmarik]

Ranting at you???? What are you talking about? I didn't intend for atheists to start spewing twisted scripture to argue the non-existence of God!

We aren't athiests just because we don't agree with your mischaracterization of God.

That guy has not a clue of what he's talking about yet tries to come off as a Biblical scholar! An ooze that came from "volcanic gasses"??? So now we are to believe that there is an eternal volcano somewhere in the universe! Lightning??? Give me a break. You can't get something from nothing!

What are you babbling about? We're talking about the origin of the primordial ooze ON EARTH! If you want to talk about universal volcanoes that's fine, but for God's sake don't shove those words into my mouth!

vt is making better points? Oh I musta missed them then...I'll have to re-read his less than stellar arguments.

Well, at I least I made some points instead of rambling about some random gibberish.

[howie]

Atheist = Someone who denies the existence of god.

Reading these posts I dont see how VT is an atheist, so can you explain how he is jay, please

[Black Jack]

The thing about religious fanatics... it is all or nothing.

If you do not believe 100% in their clap-trap... you are a heathen and evil.

[vtmarik]

The thing about religious fanatics... it is all or nothing.

If you do not believe 100% in their clap-trap... you are a heathen and evil.

ALL FANATICS MUST DIE!

*sentence annihilates itself in a burst of energy*

If we could harness self-contradiction and use it to power vehicles then we'd all have gibbering weirdoes like Jay in our cars at all time. Not a good plan.

[Black Jack]

If we could harness self-contradiction and use it to power vehicles

Heck, if we could harness the methane gas that they produce... oil would be a thing of the past.

[WintersTwilight]

If I may be so bold as to say so, I noticed that the name of this thread is "Logic dictates that there is a God!". I have read some logical conclusions and some illogical ones. What I have not seen much of, is the logic behind the conlcusions drawn by the participants. I do not think that it is very effective to discredit an argument by calling it "trash", or by labeling each other as "gibbering weirdoes" or "fanatics". I see that many of you have different religious beliefs and your theologies differ. It seems, however, (based on the title of this thread) that the original debate was over the existance of a God. It appears that the methods in which the debate was started were disliked by some of the participants. It does seem to me that one cannot argue much about religion (other than to criticize it) if one does not believe in a divine being. I would like to suggest that the existance of God first be established logically and the evidence for His existance shown, or the evidence for His non-existance discredited by a similar process. If there cannot be agreement as to whether or not there is a God, then surely there cannot be agreement as to who God is.

[jay_a2j]

Until someone can logically account for the gasses that started the big bang....it holds no water. If the universe is void of anything. A vast "black space" how does anything come into existence???

One of the following must be true.

1. Something with the ability to create has always existed (non-God). Perhaps an eternal meteor, eternal "gasses", perhaps an eternal volcano.

or

2. There is a God.


Now the rational mind can see that things don't just pop up out of nothing. So all things came from something. That invalidates big bang, prehistoric ooze and the like. Tis why LOGIC DICTATES there must be a God.

But to those who stll hold on to the hope that the big bang occured or that want to start The federated church of OOZE. More power to ya.


The Big Bang Theory: God spoke..and BANG!...it was.

[mikey6rocker]

Wait a minute, who is God? Is that the guy who takes the cereal from the kids? Oh wait, thats the Trix Rabbit, I get them confused because THEY BOTH DONT EXIST!

[RabbitCold]

is today the 19th?

[Machiavelli]

Time is infinit. If you comprehend that then come talk to me about what started everything.

but while we're waiting...

Is god ruler of the entire universe or just the earth?
(In your opinion)