God is Existentially Independent

[KLOBBER]

always a good idea to deflect the discussion when you are losing the argument I see...

You said it, not me.

No argument has been offered. I stated facts, and nobody has countered with anything valid or coherent.

[john9blue]

the usual ignorant bullshit

Your posts are dirty, potty-mouthed, and foolish, and they warrant no further direct responses.

Surprisingly, I agree with klobber.

[xelabale]

always a good idea to deflect the discussion when you are losing the argument I see...

You said it, not me.

No argument has been offered. I stated facts, and nobody has countered with anything valid or coherent.

If they were facts how could they be countered. It would be like saying 0.999... doesn't equal 1 haha.
Of course if they were klobberfacts they would just be ignored...

Hey hey, watch this:

There is no God. It is a fact. You cannot refute it Klobber for it is 100% logical and consistent.

[xelabale]

always a good idea to deflect the discussion when you are losing the argument I see...

You said it, not me.

No argument has been offered. I stated facts, and nobody has countered with anything valid or coherent.

If they were facts how could they be countered. It would be like saying 0.999... doesn't equal 1 haha.
Of course if they were klobberfacts they would just be ignored...

Hey hey, watch this:

There is no God. It is a fact. You cannot refute it Klobber for it is 100% logical and consistent.

[john9blue]

If they were facts how could they be countered. It would be like saying 0.999... doesn't equal 1 haha.
Of course if they were klobberfacts they would just be ignored...

Hey hey, watch this:

There is no God. It is a fact. You cannot refute it Klobber for it is 100% logical and consistent.

But God does exist. It's a fact. And since both of us can't be right, you must be wrong. Sorry.

[xelabale]

Sorry about the double post.

Your facts are just less right than my facts john. I see your point but my facts are correct, whereas your facts are simply klobberfacts. Sorry, I am right, you are wrong.

[KLOBBER]

That is my point exactly, xelabale.

The reason you are unable to counter is precisely because they are facts, and facts cannot be countered.

[xelabale]

In reality, God is not an abstract principle -- He is a person

Explain how this is fact not opinion. If you can do that I will agree to engage in a debate with you. If you can't do that I will join the ever growing number of people who for some strange reason think you are simply trolling and ignorant and just put you on my foelist - you'd be the first on there.

Good luck

[KLOBBER]

Xelabale, you and I were engaged in debate in this thread for several days, and you lost miserably, failing to offer any logical points, failing to offer any scriptural points, failing to respond to any of my questions for clarification, and failing to counter any of the facts that I posted.

Now you think that you're graciously offering to debate with me if I meet a silly, arbitrary, semantic challenge? You have certainly taken leave of your senses -- the debate is already over, and you lost. Either attempt to continue where we left off and answer my questions, or continue the silence of acceptance that you originally demonstrated by not answering them when we were still engaged in the debate.

Either way, you already lost the debate.

[xelabale]

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[KLOBBER]

God has revealed many facts about Himself, and He definitely knows the facts about Himself better than anybody else could, just as you know the facts about yourself better than I could, and I know the facts about myself better than you could.

I can correctly and logically inform you of the fact that I am a person living in the United States, that my immediate family is also from the United States, and so on. I have chosen a particular medium to communicate these facts, and it is a written medium, as it turns out. There is nothing illogical about this. In fact, this is the most logical source for facts to be revealed about me of all -- about me, from me.

The reason I say this is because the atheist is of the incorrect opinion that stating facts about oneself is not a sound method for communicating them. However, this is simply not true -- stating facts about oneself is the preferred method in our day-to-day experience -- each person says what his name is, where he comes from, and mentions other personal characteristics upon introduction to another, and there is absolutely nothing illogical about this principle. The only thing "wrong" with it is that the atheist doesn't like the fact that God uses the exact same principle to communicate facts about Himself, and that is actually not wrong at all -- it is as right as rain. The atheist has no problem accepting this principle of information transmission when it comes to anyone except God, and that is a logical shortcoming of the atheist, not of the method. In fact, he hypocritically makes use of the same method himself when introducing himself or revealing facts about himself, while stubbornly attempting to prevent God from utilizing the very same method. That is prejudiced, illogical, inconsistent, and unscientific, and it simply does not fly.

Revealing facts about oneself is a perfectly valid method.

One of the facts that God has revealed about Himself, through written media known as revealed scriptures all over the world, is that He is a person (the scriptures were originally in sound form, but have been degraded into the inferior written form over the years as the human mental capacity has degraded, and we are no longer capable of memorizing such comprehensive bodies of knowledge without external assistance). Nobody can offer any valid refutation to this fact any more than one can refute that any other person who reveals facts about himself is a person.

Also, the fact that the atheist is unable to observe God at this particular moment in time proves nothing about God's factual existence or about His factual characteristics -- it only proves that the atheist's chosen method for observing God is inferior to that of the innumerable Theists, who have indeed observed God and His factual characteristics. Your inability to observe any other CC member does not mean that the other CC members do not exist, and your personal inability to observe God also does not show that He somehow doesn't exist. Their written media and their actions show that they indeed do exist, and God's written media and His activities also show that He does indeed exist.

The fact that many people have observed Him in person and taken careful note of His factual characteristics is further proof that He does indeed exist along with His factual characteristics, and these proofs are superior to any proofs that you have about most CC members' existence. It is only the atheist's stubborn obsession with his premature and unscientific conclusion that God somehow doesn't exist that prevents him from apprehending the fact that God does indeed exist, while he readily accepts the existence of 22,000 CC members with inferior evidence for their existence.

In fact, having failed to observe God and His factual characteristics disqualifies the atheist from producing any scientifically factual statements about Him, whether the atheist's statements are positive or negative. The scientific method requires observation, and the atheist has failed in this first step in the scientific method. Therefore he is unable to produce valid hypotheses about God, unable to produce valid scientific conclusions about God, and his OPINIONS about God must be absolutely discounted by any truly scientific party in the entire circle of discussion centered on God.

Those who have observed God have a superior scientific position in regards to making scientifically factual statements about Him, and all of those who have actually observed Him state that He is a person with observable characteristics. Anyone who has not observed Him directly must necessarily accept the statements of those who have in order to gain any facts about Him at all. Their only other option is to make something up, such as "He doesn't exist," which is exactly what the atheist does, which is not scientifically or logically sound at all, and which is also untrue. The Theists' factual statements about God, coupled with God's own factual statements about Himself, are all based on observation, and are therefore scientifically sound, and further, they are conclusive scientific evidence that God is a real person with real, observable characteristics. That is THE scientific conclusion, whereas the atheist's conclusion is incorrect, premature, and 100% unscientific.

Proof is different from persuasion, and I have posted proof here, not persuasion.

No proof will ever persuade the atheist of anything, as he has already come to the unscientific and premature conclusion (that God somehow doesn't exist), without even engaging in the first step of the scientific method in regards to God, what to speak of the other steps.The atheist's irrational obsession with this premature conclusion precludes his ability to honestly assess the facts in an unbiased manner, which is something that I, unlike the atheist, have managed to accomplish.

I do not expect to persuade the atheist, and I do not expect to persuade the pig, the fruit-fly, or the slime-mold, but the proof is conclusive regardless of the mental handicaps of such parties. The mental inability of the lower animal and the atheist to apprehend the proof does not change the fact that it is conclusive proof. I know beforehand that the atheist will cling to his premature, unscientific, and untrue conclusions about God, and I have no problem with that. None of it changes the fact that I have posted conclusive proof here.

Now I invite all the lower animal-level minds, including that of the atheist, to engage in the usual fright, anger, ignorance, trolling, vulgarities, and logical fallacies. Have fun, boys -- you are still wrong!

[xelabale]

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[SultanOfSurreal]

God has revealed many facts about Himself, and He definitely knows the facts about Himself better than anybody else could, just as you know the facts about yourself better than I could, and I know the facts about myself better than you could.

I can correctly and logically inform you of the fact that I am a person living in the United States, that my immediate family is also from the United States, and so on. I have chosen a particular medium to communicate these facts, and it is a written medium, as it turns out. There is nothing illogical about this. In fact, this is the most logical source for facts to be revealed about me at all -- from me.

The reason I say this is because the atheist is of the incorrect opinion that stating facts about oneself is not a sound method for communicating them. However, this is simply not true -- stating facts about oneself is the preferred method in our day-to-day experience -- each person says what his name is, where he comes from, and mentions other personal characteristics upon introduction to another, and there is absolutely nothing illogical about this principle. The only thing "wrong" with it is that the atheist doesn't like the fact that God uses the exact same principle to communicate facts about Himself, and that is actually not wrong at all -- it is as right as rain. The atheist has no problem accepting this principle of information transmission when it comes to anyone except God, and that is a logical shortcoming of the atheist, not of the method.

One of the facts that God has revealed about Himself, through written media known as revealed scriptures all over the world, is that He is a person (the scriptures were originally in sound form, but have been degraded into the inferior written form over the years as the human mental capacity has degraded, and we are no longer capable of memorizing such comprehensive bodies of knowledge without external assistance). Nobody can offer any valid refutation to this fact any more than one can refute that any other person who reveals facts about himself is a person.

Also, the fact that the atheist is unable to observe God at this particular moment in time proves nothing about God's factual existence or about His factual characteristics -- it only proves that the atheist's chosen method for observing God is inferior to that of the innumerable Theists, who have indeed observed God and His factual characteristics. Your inability to observe any other CC member does not mean that the other CC members do not exist, and your personal inability to observe God also does not show that He somehow doesn't exist. Their written media and their actions show that they indeed do exist, and God's written media and His activities also show that He does indeed exist.

The fact that many people have observed Him in person and taken careful note of His factual characteristics is further proof that He does indeed exist along with His factual characteristics, and these proofs are superior to any proofs that you have about most CC members' existence. It is only the atheist's stubborn obsession with his premature and unscientific conclusion that God somehow doesn't exist that prevents him from apprehending the fact that God does indeed exist, while he readily accepts the existence of 22,000 CC members with inferior evidence for their existence.

In fact, having failed to observe God and His factual characteristics disqualifies the atheist from producing any scientifically factual statements about Him, whether the atheist's statements are positive or negative. The scientific method requires observation, and the atheist has failed in this first step in the scientific method. Therefore he is unable to produce valid hypotheses about God, unable to produce valid scientific conclusions about God, and his OPINIONS about God must be absolutely discounted by any truly scientific party in the entire circle of discussion centered on God.

Those who have observed God have a superior scientific position in regards to making scientifically factual statements about Him, and all of those who have actually observed Him state that He is a person with observable characteristics. Anyone who has not observed Him directly must necessarily accept the statements of those who have in order to gain any facts about Him at all. Their only other option is to make something up, such as "He doesn't exist," which is what the atheist does, which is not scientifically or logically sound at all, and which is untrue. The Theists' factual statements about God, coupled with God's own factual statements about Himself, are all based on observation, and are therefore scientifically sound, and further, they are conclusive scientific evidence that God is a real person with real, observable characteristics. That is THE scientific conclusion, whereas the atheist's conclusion is incorrect, premature, and 100% unscientific.

Proof is different from persuasion, and I have posted proof here, not persuasion.

No proof will ever persuade the atheist of anything, as he has already come to the unscientific and premature conclusion (that God somehow doesn't exist), without even engaging in the first step of the scientific method in regards to God, what to speak of the other steps.The atheist's irrational obsession with this premature conclusion precludes his ability to honestly assess the facts in an unbiased manner, which is something that I, unlike the atheist, have managed to accomplish.

I do not expect to persuade the atheist, and I do not expect to persuade the pig, the fruit-fly, or the slime-mold, but the proof is conclusive regardless of the mental handicaps of such parties. The mental inability of the lower animal and the atheist to apprehend the proof does not change the fact that it is conclusive proof. I know beforehand that the atheist will cling to his premature, unscientific, and untrue conclusions about God, and I have no problem with that. None of it changes the fact that I have posted conclusive proof here.

Now I invite all the lower animal-level minds, including that of the atheist, to engage in the usual fright, anger, ignorance, trolling, vulgarities, and logical fallacies. Have fun, boys -- you are still wrong!

wow that sure is a lot of work to put into something no one will ever read

to think if you had put this effort into something more productive, you might have a wobbly shelf or a really ugly birdhouse for your yard right now

[KLOBBER]

...The atheist's irrational obsession with this premature conclusion precludes his ability to honestly assess the facts in an unbiased manner, which is something that I, unlike the atheist, have managed to accomplish.

I do not expect to persuade the atheist, and I do not expect to persuade the pig, the fruit-fly, or the slime-mold, but the proof is conclusive regardless of the mental handicaps of such parties. The mental inability of the lower animal and the atheist to apprehend the proof does not change the fact that it is conclusive proof. I know beforehand that the atheist will cling to his premature, unscientific, and untrue conclusions about God, and I have no problem with that. None of it changes the fact that I have posted conclusive proof here.

Now I invite all the lower animal-level minds, including that of the atheist, to engage in the usual fright, anger, ignorance, trolling, vulgarities, and logical fallacies....

wow that sure is a lot of work to put into something no one will ever read

to think if you had put this effort into something more productive, you might have a wobbly shelf or a really ugly birdhouse for your yard right now

Thank you.

[xelabale]

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[TheProwler]

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Glad I could help.

[b.k. barunt]

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Honibaz

[xelabale]

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Glad I could help.

What on earth would I do that for?

[TheProwler]

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Hahaha!! Oh, the irony!!

Is your new hobby making an ass of yourself?