Lord of the Rings mafia [Town wins]

[william18]

So do we have a vig who killed spiesr or was he just modkilled since he was gonna be gone for so long?

If I modkill someone, it will be obvious.

yeah, like getting hit by lightening, or falling into a chasm that was just created in a few seconds. Then again, with this theme you couldn't really be sure if it's a modkill.

[Clive]

William, claim.

[Mr. Squirrel]

Alright, so we have revealed two mafia and one 3rd party, how many more mafia members should we anticipate? The largest game I've been in was 10 people and 3 were mafia so with 15 should we have 4 or 5 mafia?

I'm curious to know how the vig knew that spiesr was scum. He had a few scummy spots in the past, but if I was the vig, I would have thought others were scummier. Plus, with him being gone for a while, spiesr didn't really seem like the logical choice. Either way, I'm glad he did it I just am curious to his reasoning.

Also, now that we know suspect was actually frodo, should we believe the whisperings he received? They were most likely coming from the ring, but that might not necessarily be bad. In the book, the ring wasn't evil, it was only used in evil ways.

[Clive]

I would anticipate a total of 4 mafia.

[william18]

Alright, so we have revealed two mafia and one 3rd party, how many more mafia members should we anticipate? The largest game I've been in was 10 people and 3 were mafia so with 15 should we have 4 or 5 mafia?

I'm curious to know how the vig knew that spiesr was scum. He had a few scummy spots in the past, but if I was the vig, I would have thought others were scummier. Plus, with him being gone for a while, spiesr didn't really seem like the logical choice. Either way, I'm glad he did it I just am curious to his reasoning.

Also, now that we know suspect was actually frodo, should we believe the whisperings he received? They were most likely coming from the ring, but that might not necessarily be bad. In the book, the ring wasn't evil, it was only used in evil ways.

Didn't gandalf say that since the ring was fordged from evil, so it is evil itself. The ring is bad for anyone who carries it, although they might receive benefits from it, the rings main objective is to go back to it's master, in anyway possible.

[william18]

Yep just checked. If the ring wasn't evil, why would it corrupt it's wearer? Pretty sure it's evil.

[william18]

William, claim.

K.


Im Aragorn. My role is ranger, which means i can either track or protect someone at night. Also, I have a 1-shot kill, thus I killed spiesr.

Alright, so we have revealed two mafia and one 3rd party, how many more mafia members should we anticipate? The largest game I've been in was 10 people and 3 were mafia so with 15 should we have 4 or 5 mafia?

I'm curious to know how the vig knew that spiesr was scum. He had a few scummy spots in the past, but if I was the vig, I would have thought others were scummier. Plus, with him being gone for a while, spiesr didn't really seem like the logical choice. Either way, I'm glad he did it I just am curious to his reasoning.

Also, now that we know suspect was actually frodo, should we believe the whisperings he received? They were most likely coming from the ring, but that might not necessarily be bad. In the book, the ring wasn't evil, it was only used in evil ways.

I did some deduction, and pmade an educated guess. One thing that stuck out, was that it was never mentioned that Frodo was a mason with Sam, which means someone was abscent and couldn't counter-claim him. I don't necessarily want to attract attention to that person/people because I might be right, and I don't want to jeapordize their safety. Also, it's possible that Frodo and Sam are masons, and that is a hidden perk with the ring bearer role.

Right now, I think everyone should continue in the mass claim, and if anyone says otherwise I would assume that they're scum.

[Mr. Squirrel]

Yep just checked. If the ring wasn't evil, why would it corrupt it's wearer? Pretty sure it's evil.

Power corrupts. I don't think it was necessarily the ring itself that corrupted the people of middle-earth, but the power it wielded that brought out the corruption that was already in the imperfect beings of middle-earth. Think about it, Tom Bombadil, who was perfectly content with his own life, was completely unaffected by the ring. He even put it on without it doing anything to him. The ring was a tool, not an entity.

[william18]

Yep just checked. If the ring wasn't evil, why would it corrupt it's wearer? Pretty sure it's evil.

Power corrupts. I don't think it was necessarily the ring itself that corrupted the people of middle-earth, but the power it wielded that brought out the corruption that was already in the imperfect beings of middle-earth. Think about it, Tom Bombadil, who was perfectly content with his own life, was completely unaffected by the ring. He even put it on without it doing anything to him. The ring was a tool, not an entity.

Firstly, I don't think that they turn into ringwraiths because the power went straight to their head.

Next, immortals are immune to the possesion and the effects the ring causes, which is why Sauron gave the men rings specifically to posses them. Im not saying the ring doesn't have an effect among third party immortals because it certainly does (Saruman) and even gandalf said there was to much temptation, so he refused to take it. But immortals who use it are corrupted more like being evil and selfish instead of becoming nazgul.

Thirdly, it's debatable whether the ring is an entity. It certainly does things by itself and can seriously affect situations, like when the ring had such an influence on isildur that he couldn't destroy it, and later, when isildur was ambushed at Gladden fields, the ring slipped off(on purpose) while he was swimming, thus isildur died. That influence also caused Smeagol to kill deagol for it. Many people say that the ring always has a plan to get back to it's master.

[Falkomagno]

The ring is power himself, but was forge by evil hands. so, if you are enough powerfull to ...control that power -as Tom bombadil, Galadriel or even Gandalf-, you can refuse the evil inside, but even in that case, the ring is still evil.

I think that claim can be a good idea. I think that there is 1 or 2 bad guys left. Saruman is one of them that's for sure.

You tell me if you think that a claim is good enough to accomplished.

[william18]

Thus the ring is evil.

[Clive]

Ok. No fucking about here - If you are responsible for the spiesr kill, you counter William now.

If there is no counter, then he is clear, as far as I can tell.

Massclaim today may be a good idea.

This would be my preferred order:

Simon Viavant
Sam Levi
Iliad
Falko
Karel
Squirrel

Any objections?

[Mr. Squirrel]

Firstly, I don't think that they turn into ringwraiths because the power went straight to their head.

Sauron used the power of his ring to control the nine rings given to men. That was how they became the ringwraiths.

Next, immortals are immune to the possesion and the effects the ring causes, which is why Sauron gave the men rings specifically to posses them. Im not saying the ring doesn't have an effect among third party immortals because it certainly does (Saruman) and even gandalf said there was to much temptation, so he refused to take it. But immortals who use it are corrupted more like being evil and selfish instead of becoming nazgul.

For starters, Sauron didn't forge the original nine rings given to men. He only forged the one ring of power. Next, if only immortals are able to resist the control of the ring, then why was Frodo and Bilbo able to resist it for years? Hobbits are not immortal. The only beings in Middle-earth who are immortal are the elves and possibly the wizards (I'm not sure about them).

The reason that immortals are better able to resist the ring is because they have seen enough in their lifetime to understand the dangers of possessing the ring (With age comes wisdom). Technically, anyone can resist the ring as long as they understand it. That is why Bilbo and Frodo, two innocent and humble Hobbits were able to carry it with very little affect on them but Boromir, who dreamed of glory and power, was corrupted by it. It was only after years of carrying it, and experiencing many hardships and tragedies, that the power of the ring became desirable to the hobbits. That was when it started corrupting them. Tolkien used the ring to show that the greatest are often the most corrupt while the lowliest are often the only ones who are truly innocent.

Thirdly, it's debatable whether the ring is an entity. It certainly does things by itself and can seriously affect situations, like when the ring had such an influence on isildur that he couldn't destroy it, and later, when isildur was ambushed at Gladden fields, the ring slipped off(on purpose) while he was swimming, thus isildur died. That influence also caused Smeagol to kill deagol for it. Many people say that the ring always has a plan to get back to it's master.

The ring does always try to return to its master (it says that in the book), but it doesn't think about how to do it. The ring is more like a magical magnet than a thinking being. The ring knows when it is leaving Sauron, so it tries to return to him. When it left Isildur, Isildur was leaving Mordor and the remains of Sauron. The ring felt it was leaving its master, and tried to return. The ring didn't make Smeagol to kill Deagol, Smeagol chose to kill Deagol in order to secure it for himself.

Either way, this debate belongs more in a literature class (I've actually had this same discussion in my lit class ) than a mafia game. It really doesn't serve us much purpose here.

William, claim.

It seems like you are trying to avoid this. Falko and Clive have now both called you out on it. Either claim or give us a very good reason why you shouldn't.

[Mr. Squirrel]

William, claim.

It seems like you are trying to avoid this. Falko and Clive have now both called you out on it. Either claim or give us a very good reason why you shouldn't.

Whoops! Sorry I didn't see your claim on the other page. I was too caught up in our ring debate. Forgive this statement.

[william18]

It takes time, Hobbits are more resilient to the rings affects but can still sucumb to it. Take Smeagol, he was a hobbit, yet he was severly corrupted.

[Falkomagno]

I think that this debate about the ring is quite interesting, but, sadly, it doesn't belong to here.

Right now, it's the william Claim the issue atm. William has claimed to be Aragorn, so if Nobody counter claim, we have something right now.

Btw, in case you are telling the truth, I congratulate you, because that was a so wise decition in killing iliad.

so william,you have a top suspect at this moment?

[Mr. Squirrel]

It takes time, Hobbits are more resilient to the rings affects but can still sucumb to it. Take Smeagol, he was a hobbit, yet he was severly corrupted.

Smeagol was affected from the very beginning because he was greedy. Bilbo and Frodo carried it for years and were unaffected because they were content with life and humble hobbits.

because that was a so wise decition in killing iliad.

You mean spiesr. right?

[Falkomagno]

It takes time, Hobbits are more resilient to the rings affects but can still sucumb to it. Take Smeagol, he was a hobbit, yet he was severly corrupted.

Smeagol was affected from the very beginning because he was greedy. Bilbo and Frodo carried it for years and were unaffected because they were content with life and humble hobbits.

because that was a so wise decition in killing iliad.

You mean spiesr. right?

yeah...sorry

[william18]

I think that this debate about the ring is quite interesting, but, sadly, it doesn't belong to here.

Right now, it's the william Claim the issue atm. William has claimed to be Aragorn, so if Nobody counter claim, we have something right now.

Btw, in case you are telling the truth, I congratulate you, because that was a so wise decition in killing iliad.

so william,you have a top suspect at this moment?

Hmm, well actually I'll wait till everyone claims to say my suspects.

[Mr. Squirrel]

Hmm, well actually I'll wait till everyone claims to say my suspects.

Are we gonna follow this order?

Massclaim today may be a good idea.

This would be my preferred order:

Simon Viavant
Sam Levi
Iliad
Falko
Karel
Squirrel

Any objections?

[william18]

Sure, but why did you leave out AA?

[Clive]

AA has claimed.

It takes time, Hobbits are more resilient to the rings affects but can still sucumb to it. Take Smeagol, he was a hobbit, yet he was severly corrupted.

Effects, is the word you're after. Grammar, William.

[Iliad]

It takes time, Hobbits are more resilient to the rings affects but can still sucumb to it. Take Smeagol, he was a hobbit, yet he was severly corrupted.

Smeagol was affected from the very beginning because he was greedy. Bilbo and Frodo carried it for years and were unaffected because they were content with life and humble hobbits.

because that was a so wise decition in killing iliad.

You mean spiesr. right?

yeah...sorry

I see what you did there

Anyway, very strange night. What I found strangest is that pcmhugh was in fact gollum. Wasn't he "proven" town by the whisperings? We can't really trust those.

Also: TOLD ...YOU...SO!

I thought we were playing mafia here, not guess which character is more likely to be in the game. Nag has many times shown his displeasure to mass-claims and I gotta agree, it defeats the entire point of the game. Especially ruins themed games like these.

Also, why the extended discussion on the ring? Interesting, but hardly relevant. Though Frodo was corrupted, and Stroop might've had something like Day 5 Frodo turns 3rd party or something, that will hardly be releveant now.

Back onto mass-claiming. If we're going to mass-claim, why not mass-claim on day 1? Stuff the joke votes, just have everyone claim. That'll weed out the scum fast, we'd be finished by now. Yet for some reason we did actually play mafia. But hey it's day 4, let's play What Would Stroop Include.

[Simon Viavant]

I also think all those advocating mass claims are the scummier ones.

Also, regardless of it's moral tendencies, the ring has definitely given Saruman some sort of power, so we have to get this right, don't vote hastily.

And just because someone has claimed doesn't mean they're not scummy.

Clive is high on my suspect list right now.

[Stroop]

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Vote count

Not voting: sam_levi_11, karelpietertje, Clive, Falkomagno, Iliad, Simon Viavant, william18, Mr. Squirrel, AceArtemis

With 9 alive, it takes 5 votes to lynch.

Day 4 will end approximately 240 hours from now
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