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Minor Infractions follow the traditional vacation escalation scale of: Warning, 24 Hour Vacation, 72 Hour Vacation, One Week or One Month Vacation, Permanent Vacation.
Night Strike wrote:Community Guidelines:Minor Infractions follow the traditional vacation escalation scale of: Warning, 24 Hour Vacation, 72 Hour Vacation, One Week or One Month Vacation, Permanent Vacation.
DM's list of bans:1 day
2 day (may have been a release oversight that caused it to be 2 days rather than 1)
3 days
3 days
1 week
1 month
1 day
permanent
Looks to me like the Community Guidelines were followed quite well. If DM hadn't been given a permanent vacation, then the guidelines would not have been followed and there would be legitimate grounds for complaints.
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Rocketry wrote:I think you missed the point, Night Stripe, pimpdave was questioning the guidelines themselves.
Rocket.
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pimpdave wrote:Rocketry wrote:I think you missed the point, Night Stripe, pimpdave was questioning the guidelines themselves.
Rocket.
And this is part of what's so scary... is that mods that misinterpret things regularly, or don't wait for clarification before making a snap judgment are able to cut us off PERMANENTLY from an integral part of the site.
Night Strike's post in this thread (as a genuine response to my OP) better exposes just how messed up the system is here than anything I could really say. I mean, wow.
pimpdave wrote:And the Permanent Ban is fundamentally contradictory to any premise of fostering, supporting, or encouraging "community". You guys have been willing to reconsider the "guidelines" before, and now is certainly another time.
It should be used on only the worst of the worst. Only certain things should result in a permanent ban, like: pornography, personal information, or viruses/malicious software.
Otherwise, an escalating system means anyone could get banned permanently if a vindictive and bullying mod happens to have a hard on for someone in particular.
hwhrhett wrote:dont get the community as a whole, mixed up with a small amount of repeat offenders.. most people never break the rules.. ive been here for 3 years, and have been an active forum goer and player and have never once had a problem with not breaking the rules, its surprisingly easy...
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El Capitan X wrote:The people in flame wars just seem to get dimmer and dimmer. Seriously though, I love your style, always a good read.
StiffMittens wrote:The escalating ban scheme in the current form of the guidelines is somewhat like saying after the 6th or 7th parking ticket the police have the right to saw off your hands and poke out your eyes.
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pimpdave wrote:hwhrhett wrote:dont get the community as a whole, mixed up with a small amount of repeat offenders.. most people never break the rules.. ive been here for 3 years, and have been an active forum goer and player and have never once had a problem with not breaking the rules, its surprisingly easy...
And yet I bet you never found yourself getting into a political debate with a mod, thinking they could separate things that differ, only to find out that because you were successful in the debate that they decided to avenge their loss by looking for a reason to ban you.
It's happened to me, so I know it's happened to others. And if your solution to that is to not engage mods in a political or religious debate, then you should probably go jump in a lake because you're being silly.
Plus, part of the problem is that once you get in trouble once, they keep looking for reasons to ban you after that. So if you've never been banned, they'll dismiss most everything they'll flip out over with those of us that have been unjustly banned by certain vindictive and bullying neo-con mods *ahem*.
Or, even worse, those disgraced mods that I won't name here, but were REMOVED FROM THE SITE FOR ABUSING THEIR POSITION.
Those bannings aren't re-evaluated in a spirit of fairness to the member of the community. Oh no...
StiffMittens wrote:The escalating ban scheme in the current form of the guidelines is somewhat like saying after the 6th or 7th parking ticket the police have the right to saw off your hands and poke out your eyes.
pimpdave wrote:Well then what about completely unreasonable and WRONG bans?
pimpdave wrote:You mods should be users for awhile, and have to get banned the way we are, for STUPID STUFF and have NO RECOURSE, NO FORGIVENESS, NO MERCY.
hwhrhett wrote:ive gotten into very heated arguements with many different mods over clan rights actually.. and ive never had a problem with them attempting to exact revenge... or being vindictive....
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hwhrhett wrote:ive gotten into very heated arguements with many different mods over clan rights actually.. and ive never had a problem with them attempting to exact revenge... or being vindictive....
jpcloet wrote:pimpdave wrote:You mods should be users for awhile, and have to get banned the way we are, for STUPID STUFF and have NO RECOURSE, NO FORGIVENESS, NO MERCY.
All mods are users. I do have a warning on my record as well.![]()
You didn't answer my question pimpdave, would you be willing to work with me specifically to come up with a recommendation or 2?
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jpcloet wrote:StiffMittens wrote:The escalating ban scheme in the current form of the guidelines is somewhat like saying after the 6th or 7th parking ticket the police have the right to saw off your hands and poke out your eyes.
That seems a little harsh. If you continue to steal from Wal-Mart, will they not ban you from their store? Or how about continually getting drunk and jumping on the safety mesh at a ball game? That will get you a ban too.
My personal view is that there is likely a middle ground and as a group, you can always make positive changes if you do it in a positive way. I'm not a big fan of permas and though I have given a few forum holidays, I've generally been reluctant to do so. We are still talking about the problem too generally. If the forum goers are willing to work with me, I'd certainly be open working with you to come up with a recommendation or 2. What say you forumites?
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StiffMittens wrote:The escalating ban scheme in the current form of the guidelines is somewhat like saying after the 6th or 7th parking ticket the police have the right to saw off your hands and poke out your eyes.
jonesthecurl wrote:I've never been warned nor banned either.
If I were in charge, i'd probably have had words with DM about his conduct.
That doesn't change my point or invalidate Dave's.
pimpdave wrote:Remember when I was banned by that recently removed and appropriately disgraced partisan mod Night Strike? He banned me because I posted a video about the evils of pornography that I had no idea linked to some other videos that may have discussed the human anatomy.
So, because Night Strike doesn't like me and wants to get rid of me, he bans me for it, instead of sending me a PM saying, "hey, you realize there was some inappropriate material in that post, right?" and I can reply with, "oh no! I had no idea." (I really, honestly did not), we can take it down, and the problem is solved. ESPECIALLY SINCE THE VIDEO I POSTED WAS NOT INAPPROPRIATE AT ALL, only the links to the side which are RANDOMLY GENERATED AND I CANNOT BE HELD RESPONSIBLE FOR EVEN THOUGH I'M WILLING TO WORK WITH THE MODS AND TAKE THAT STUFF DOWN IF THEY JUST ASK.
pimpdave wrote:Remember when I was banned by that recently removed and appropriately disgraced partisan mod Night Strike?
Instead, the vindictive power drunk mod bans me. This kind of malarkey goes on on a daily basis, and even when a mod like Night Strike is removed from his position for continually abusing his power and behaving like a petty partisan, the bans he unjustly levied STILL STAND.
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