Dancing Mustard - Why all the fuss?

[Strife]

Someone got banned? Yawn, who cares.

Deal with and follow the rules or move on to another forum.

Out of curiosity, of all the places to make your first posts, why this thread? A thread about someone you don't know and who was banned for reasons you don't know. Sorry, but this strikes me as odd that someone who is clearly ignorant of the situation would post such an oblivious statement.

I have actually read nearly every post regarding this banning (I am on vacation and bored). I find it funny that so many people are fussing over someone getting banned.

I have read the reasons posted and honestly on most other forums dancing mustard more than likely would have been banned long ago.

Do I know dancing mustard personally? No. Have I ever talked to him/her? No. Do I care to? No.

Can I have an opinion on the issue based on the information given? Yes. Do I have an opinion? Yes.

Do not like the fact that I posted? Deal with it, until I am banned I can post, this is a public forum. Want some privacy? Make a private forum to go cry at.

What did you say? You wrote something? Yawn. Boring. Who cares?

Seriously, I can't believe I wasted my time reading that, I should have taken your word for it owen. This kid needs to get a grip and stop crying over spilt milk, I just asked some simple questions and they gave me their life story and told me they're the only one who answers their own questions, they obviously have no idea why DM was banned.

[4myGod]

Someone got banned? Yawn, who cares.

Deal with and follow the rules or move on to another forum.

Out of curiosity, of all the places to make your first posts, why this thread? A thread about someone you don't know and who was banned for reasons you don't know. Sorry, but this strikes me as odd that someone who is clearly ignorant of the situation would post such an oblivious statement.

I have actually read nearly every post regarding this banning (I am on vacation and bored). I find it funny that so many people are fussing over someone getting banned.

I have read the reasons posted and honestly on most other forums dancing mustard more than likely would have been banned long ago.

Do I know dancing mustard personally? No. Have I ever talked to him/her? No. Do I care to? No.

Can I have an opinion on the issue based on the information given? Yes. Do I have an opinion? Yes.

Do not like the fact that I posted? Deal with it, until I am banned I can post, this is a public forum. Want some privacy? Make a private forum to go cry at.

"Intentionally Annoying"

[BoganGod]

Someone got banned? Yawn, who cares.

Deal with and follow the rules or move on to another forum.

Out of curiosity, of all the places to make your first posts, why this thread? A thread about someone you don't know and who was banned for reasons you don't know. Sorry, but this strikes me as odd that someone who is clearly ignorant of the situation would post such an oblivious statement.

I have actually read nearly every post regarding this banning (I am on vacation and bored). I find it funny that so many people are fussing over someone getting banned.

I have read the reasons posted and honestly on most other forums dancing mustard more than likely would have been banned long ago.

Do I know dancing mustard personally? No. Have I ever talked to him/her? No. Do I care to? No.

Can I have an opinion on the issue based on the information given? Yes. Do I have an opinion? Yes.

Do not like the fact that I posted? Deal with it, until I am banned I can post, this is a public forum. Want some privacy? Make a private forum to go cry at.

What did you say? You wrote something? Yawn. Boring. Who cares?

Seriously, I can't believe I wasted my time reading that, I should have taken your word for it owen. This kid needs to get a grip and stop crying over spilt milk, I just asked some simple questions and they gave me their life story and told me they're the only one who answers their own questions, they obviously have no idea why DM was banned.

Your first post in this thread you said you couldn't be bothered reading TP's entire post. Maybe if you did that you might understand the rest of the thread. That ok course would be asking you to quit stalking JefJef for long enough to concentrate on something else. Strife if Mustard had been even 1/8th as lame and self obsessed as you, there wouldn't be this thread.

TP you made some excellent points as usual. I very much doubt that they will bring anyone back to reverse a ban, means admitting that they were wrong, that would be a big step for little people. I could be proved wrong, have been many times in the past. Somehow I doubt it in this instance.

[john9blue]

We all need to get a grip and stop crying over spilt milk

Fixed.

[Kelshir]

Someone got banned? Yawn, who cares.

Deal with and follow the rules or move on to another forum.

Out of curiosity, of all the places to make your first posts, why this thread? A thread about someone you don't know and who was banned for reasons you don't know. Sorry, but this strikes me as odd that someone who is clearly ignorant of the situation would post such an oblivious statement.

I have actually read nearly every post regarding this banning (I am on vacation and bored). I find it funny that so many people are fussing over someone getting banned.

I have read the reasons posted and honestly on most other forums dancing mustard more than likely would have been banned long ago.

Do I know dancing mustard personally? No. Have I ever talked to him/her? No. Do I care to? No.

Can I have an opinion on the issue based on the information given? Yes. Do I have an opinion? Yes.

Do not like the fact that I posted? Deal with it, until I am banned I can post, this is a public forum. Want some privacy? Make a private forum to go cry at.

What did you say? You wrote something? Yawn. Boring. Who cares?

Seriously, I can't believe I wasted my time reading that, I should have taken your word for it owen. This kid needs to get a grip and stop crying over spilt milk, I just asked some simple questions and they gave me their life story and told me they're the only one who answers their own questions, they obviously have no idea why DM was banned.

It is obvious why he was banned, the only question is why do so many people care so much about him being banned.

Well, I say so many but in reality it is only a few minor people fussing and posting over and over. Do you really have so little in life to worry over that you must cry over someone being banned from an online forum?

And that is not close to my life story, but I would happily give it if you wish

[jiminski]

It is obvious why he was banned, the only question is why do so many people care so much about him being banned.

Well, I say so many but in reality it is only a few minor people fussing and posting over and over. Do you really have so little in life to worry over that you must cry over someone being banned from an online forum?

And that is not close to my life story, but I would happily give it if you wish

It is obvious why he was banned but that still does not stop the debate as to its necessity and implication.


heheh and i do love people with so much in their lives that they can comment derisively on the level of peoples absorption with an issue and its indication of having nothing in their lives....

This could go on forever... Anyway, i hope this little dialogue is a highlight of your existence thus far!

[jleonnn]

Ok, I get how it feels when one player whom you have known goes away. In my case, it was Kalano Sanchin. I met him on the forum. We started playing together and it was so for awhile. I got banned after being busted with multis, after I came back, we played about 4-5 games on different maps. Game 5153338. after a row on that game, he foed me. Never got contact with him again. Of course, I made new friends like gcwca_4_life and MrStealth. Of course, I do miss him, and well, he foed me because of that game, not the admin. I don't really know what I did, up to now, but I doubt we'll be able to make up.

[Kelshir]

It is obvious why he was banned, the only question is why do so many people care so much about him being banned.

Well, I say so many but in reality it is only a few minor people fussing and posting over and over. Do you really have so little in life to worry over that you must cry over someone being banned from an online forum?

And that is not close to my life story, but I would happily give it if you wish

It is obvious why he was banned but that still does not stop the debate as to its necessity and implication.


heheh and i do love people with so much in their lives that they can comment derisively on the level of peoples absorption with an issue and its indication of having nothing in their lives....

This could go on forever... Anyway, i hope this little dialogue is a highlight of your existence thus far!

That is what I do not understand, this implied implication that people keep going on about. If anyone was warned as much as him (and as many temp bans as he had) then they should be prepared for a perm ban.

Many forums would not give nearly as many chances.

What is really funny is that so many people are complaining as though this is unique. I have seen this exact same issue on many many forums, and many MUDs as well when a popular player got banned, even a few times on MMORPGs.

This truly does happen everywhere every day, someone popular breaks or pushes the rules to the limit and finally the admins have enough of it and they get banned. Then a few people on the forum rise up all upset because someone they liked got banned over something minor.

As far this dialogue being the highlight of existence, not even close. That would be tied between either my marriage or the birth of my son.

And it is not the level of absorption, it is the fact that some people are obsessed with the fact that he was banned. The admins/mods came on here and gave the reasons but people still refuse to face the fact that dancing mustard was warned repeatedly and still refused to stop his behavior.

I believe that the mods/admins truly believed that it was necessary to ban dancing mustard and they did so with the best intentions for Conquer Club.

[TheBro]

We must agree to disagree!

"Truly best intentions?" Poppycock! (Thanks Jimi)

"Pushes the rules to the limit?" Poppycock! (Thanks Jimi)

[jiminski]

It is obvious why he was banned, the only question is why do so many people care so much about him being banned.

Well, I say so many but in reality it is only a few minor people fussing and posting over and over. Do you really have so little in life to worry over that you must cry over someone being banned from an online forum?

And that is not close to my life story, but I would happily give it if you wish

It is obvious why he was banned but that still does not stop the debate as to its necessity and implication.


heheh and i do love people with so much in their lives that they can comment derisively on the level of peoples absorption with an issue and its indication of having nothing in their lives....

This could go on forever... Anyway, i hope this little dialogue is a highlight of your existence thus far!

That is what I do not understand, this implied implication that people keep going on about. If anyone was warned as much as him (and as many temp bans as he had) then they should be prepared for a perm ban.

Many forums would not give nearly as many chances.

What is really funny is that so many people are complaining as though this is unique. I have seen this exact same issue on many many forums, and many MUDs as well when a popular player got banned, even a few times on MMORPGs.

This truly does happen everywhere every day, someone popular breaks or pushes the rules to the limit and finally the admins have enough of it and they get banned. Then a few people on the forum rise up all upset because someone they liked got banned over something minor.

As far this dialogue being the highlight of existence, not even close. That would be tied between either my marriage or the birth of my son.

And it is not the level of absorption, it is the fact that some people are obsessed with the fact that he was banned. The admins/mods came on here and gave the reasons but people still refuse to face the fact that dancing mustard was warned repeatedly and still refused to stop his behavior.

I believe that the mods/admins truly believed that it was necessary to ban dancing mustard and they did so with the best intentions for Conquer Club.

(My pleasure Bro, Poppycock is delightful word and extremely relevant here.)

I've tried to address all of the above in some of my other posts Kelshir and as i would rather not be a scratched record: have a read through some of the other threads on this.
But suffice to say; just because other sites are flawed does not mean that we have to settle gratefully for the second-rate and comfortable.
Now is our sincerity risible? very likely.. but who is to say who is sincere and who is just in it for the sport? indeed who has the right to mock how another spends their efforts and why should everyone have the burden of wry introspection and embarrassment at the futility of all vocational endeavour?

But back to the irony of your amazement at others amazement at this situation:

.....
Do you really have so little in life to worry over that you must cry over someone being banned from an online forum?

do you see that your being roused to write on the subject that others are roused to write on a subject is inherently quite humourous?

[Kelshir]

It is obvious why he was banned, the only question is why do so many people care so much about him being banned.

Well, I say so many but in reality it is only a few minor people fussing and posting over and over. Do you really have so little in life to worry over that you must cry over someone being banned from an online forum?

And that is not close to my life story, but I would happily give it if you wish

It is obvious why he was banned but that still does not stop the debate as to its necessity and implication.


heheh and i do love people with so much in their lives that they can comment derisively on the level of peoples absorption with an issue and its indication of having nothing in their lives....

This could go on forever... Anyway, i hope this little dialogue is a highlight of your existence thus far!

That is what I do not understand, this implied implication that people keep going on about. If anyone was warned as much as him (and as many temp bans as he had) then they should be prepared for a perm ban.

Many forums would not give nearly as many chances.

What is really funny is that so many people are complaining as though this is unique. I have seen this exact same issue on many many forums, and many MUDs as well when a popular player got banned, even a few times on MMORPGs.

This truly does happen everywhere every day, someone popular breaks or pushes the rules to the limit and finally the admins have enough of it and they get banned. Then a few people on the forum rise up all upset because someone they liked got banned over something minor.

As far this dialogue being the highlight of existence, not even close. That would be tied between either my marriage or the birth of my son.

And it is not the level of absorption, it is the fact that some people are obsessed with the fact that he was banned. The admins/mods came on here and gave the reasons but people still refuse to face the fact that dancing mustard was warned repeatedly and still refused to stop his behavior.

I believe that the mods/admins truly believed that it was necessary to ban dancing mustard and they did so with the best intentions for Conquer Club.

(My pleasure Bro, Poppycock is delightful word and extremely relevant here.)

I've tried to address all of the above in some of my other posts Kelshir and as i would rather not be a scratched record: have a read through some of the other threads on this.
But suffice to say; just because other sites are flawed does not mean that we have to settle gratefully for the second-rate and comfortable.
Now is our sincerity risible? very likely.. but who is to say who is sincere and who is just in it for the sport? indeed who has the right to mock how another spends their efforts and why should everyone have the burden of wry introspection and embarrassment at the futility of all vocational endeavour?

But back to the irony of your amazement at others amazement at this situation:

.....
Do you really have so little in life to worry over that you must cry over someone being banned from an online forum?

do you see that your being roused to write on the subject that others are roused to write on a subject is inherently quite humourous?

I do believe that some are truly sincere. But I do not think that it is (or is becoming) second-rate, a lot of work goes into moderating an online forum.

I am not amazed, not really. Little people do fails to amaze me anymore. I am just hoping that some people realize that nothing unique or wrong has really happened here, but better people than me have tried and failed at that. Here and at other places.

I used to be like this, someone gets banned and get up there defending them, positive that they did nothing wrong, but as time went on I realized that it truly did not matter.

The admins and mods will administrate and moderate this forum the way they choose. Is there a chance of changing that? Yes, odds of it happening are slim. Most of the members do not care about the forum, they are just here to play the game.

When going to an online forum it is the same as going to someones house. You follow their rules or you leave, either one your own or they force you out. When I visit someone I follow their rules, when someone comes to my house they follow my rules (although on most things I am flexible).

When you enter a country you follow their rules or risk jail, ignorance is no excuse, ever, anywhere. Why do people expect it to be different online?

[jiminski]

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I do believe that some are truly sincere. But I do not think that it is (or is becoming) second-rate, a lot of work goes into moderating an online forum.

I am not amazed, not really. Little people do fails to amaze me anymore. I am just hoping that some people realize that nothing unique or wrong has really happened here, but better people than me have tried and failed at that. Here and at other places.

I used to be like this, someone gets banned and get up there defending them, positive that they did nothing wrong, but as time went on I realized that it truly did not matter.

The admins and mods will administrate and moderate this forum the way they choose. Is there a chance of changing that? Yes, odds of it happening are slim. Most of the members do not care about the forum, they are just here to play the game.

When going to an online forum it is the same as going to someones house. You follow their rules or you leave, either one your own or they force you out. When I visit someone I follow their rules, when someone comes to my house they follow my rules (although on most things I am flexible).

When you enter a country you follow their rules or risk jail, ignorance is no excuse, ever, anywhere. Why do people expect it to be different online?

ahhh we see the beautiful heart of your reasoning ... You see, where you and i differ is in the perspective that it is the people who go to make the government and not the government who makes the people.

if we settle for the second rate, even if it is just not brilliant instead of brilliant then we become less. What we do, in our petty wranglings which you witness here, is aid in the attainment of the highest level.

If you are willing to accept, blindly, the rules of the status quo then you will get what you are offered... instead of shaping what is possible.

[Kelshir]

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I do believe that some are truly sincere. But I do not think that it is (or is becoming) second-rate, a lot of work goes into moderating an online forum.

I am not amazed, not really. Little people do fails to amaze me anymore. I am just hoping that some people realize that nothing unique or wrong has really happened here, but better people than me have tried and failed at that. Here and at other places.

I used to be like this, someone gets banned and get up there defending them, positive that they did nothing wrong, but as time went on I realized that it truly did not matter.

The admins and mods will administrate and moderate this forum the way they choose. Is there a chance of changing that? Yes, odds of it happening are slim. Most of the members do not care about the forum, they are just here to play the game.

When going to an online forum it is the same as going to someones house. You follow their rules or you leave, either one your own or they force you out. When I visit someone I follow their rules, when someone comes to my house they follow my rules (although on most things I am flexible).

When you enter a country you follow their rules or risk jail, ignorance is no excuse, ever, anywhere. Why do people expect it to be different online?

ahhh we see the beautiful heart of your reasoning ... You see, where you and i differ is in the perspective that it is the people who go to make the government and not the government who makes the people.

if we settle for the second rate, even if it is just not brilliant instead of brilliant then we become less. What we do, in our petty wranglings which you witness here, is aid in the attainment of the highest level.

If you are willing to accept, blindly, the rules of the status quo then you will get what you are offered... instead of shaping what is possible.

Actually, I said when you enter a country, not your own country where you live, just visiting. Perhaps I should have clarified it. You (in a democratic nation) can change it by voting. If you visit a country you cannot change anything (not a citizen) but you are still held to their laws as though you were.

Actually I suppose in a non-democratic nation you could change it by revolting against the government, but that is not really an option here, although I suppose you could make another site and become competition.

This is their playground, their rules, their punishments. By all means, try to change it, just keep in mind that there is very little you can actually do.

Although we will never agree on this, you believe dancing mustard should not have gotten a perm ban, you feel that a temp ban at most would have been a justifiable punishment. I believe that there is only so many times someone can get temp bans and warnings before you might as well get rid of them for good.

[jiminski]

Although we will never agree on this, you believe dancing mustard should not have gotten a perm ban, you feel that a temp ban at most would have been a justifiable punishment. I believe that there is only so many times someone can get temp bans and warnings before you might as well get rid of them for good.

no, it's more fundamental: you have lost your will to fight for improvement and you accept that your environment, wherever it is, is not your own nor is it influenceable by you*... I take the counter position.



*which is why you chose to be a traveler passing through, rather than a member of the society, in your analogy.

[TheProwler]

So when I was a kid, there was a guy, Paul Koch, that lived around the corner. He had a big swimming pool in his backyard. It was awesome. He invited all the kids from around the neighbourhood to come and swim and play in his pool. There was usually at least 10 of us there every day playing and splashing and having a gay time.

There was this one kid, Tommy Kitchen, that was at the pool a lot. He was funny as hell. He used to crack jokes a lot and sometimes made fun of Paul Koch's name. It bugged Paul, but it was all in good fun. Anyways, one day Paul's dad heard Tommy making fun of the Koch name. So Paul's dad said that Tommy couldn't come to the pool anymore. He was given a perma pool ban.

All of us were sad. We asked Paul to get his dad to reconsider. But the old man's decision was final.

It wasn't as fun any more. Not just because Tommy wasn't around anymore, but because there was this new feeling we all had. We felt like we had lost our freedom. There was a controlling force that we felt. In actuality, it was always there, but we never felt it. Things just weren't the same.

Some kids stopped coming to the pool. The fun died down. Some kids were really mad and would sneak into the pool at night and piss and shit into their lost playground of innocence.

The next summer, they didn't even fill the pool with water.

[Kelshir]

Although we will never agree on this, you believe dancing mustard should not have gotten a perm ban, you feel that a temp ban at most would have been a justifiable punishment. I believe that there is only so many times someone can get temp bans and warnings before you might as well get rid of them for good.

no, it's more fundamental: you have lost your will to fight for improvement and you accept that your environment, wherever it is, is not your own nor is it influenceable by you*... I take the counter position.



*which is why you chose to be a traveler passing through, rather than a member of the society, in your analogy.

You are making this out to be more than it really is. We have no rights here other than what is given us by the mods or admins. Any rights we do have can be taken away at any time. There is nothing here to fight for because it is completely controlled in every aspect by the mods and admins.

The best you can hope for is a well thought out and reasoned discussion to change their minds.

There is no grand fight here or on any other forum that is run by a private individual or company.

This is no crusade, this is a few people greatly upset by a relatively minor decision by the people in absolute control.

There is nothing fundamental about this.

Lets keep this in perspective. This is not some big new law or decision affecting someones actual life in a meaningful way.

[TheProwler]

Lets keep this in perspective. This is not some big new law or decision affecting someones actual life in a meaningful way.

I'm sitting my real life ass in my real life chair wasting my real life time reading your crap posts saying the same thing over and over and over.

Can you shut up now?

Really.

Real life really.

[StiffMittens]

Although we will never agree on this, you believe dancing mustard should not have gotten a perm ban, you feel that a temp ban at most would have been a justifiable punishment. I believe that there is only so many times someone can get temp bans and warnings before you might as well get rid of them for good.

no, it's more fundamental: you have lost your will to fight for improvement and you accept that your environment, wherever it is, is not your own nor is it influenceable by you*... I take the counter position.



*which is why you chose to be a traveler passing through, rather than a member of the society, in your analogy.

You are making this out to be more than it really is. We have no rights here other than what is given us by the mods or admins. Any rights we do have can be taken away at any time. There is nothing here to fight for because it is completely controlled in every aspect by the mods and admins.

The best you can hope for is a well thought out and reasoned discussion to change their minds.

There is no grand fight here or on any other forum that is run by a private individual or company.

This is no crusade, this is a few people greatly upset by a relatively minor decision by the people in absolute control.

There is nothing fundamental about this.

Lets keep this in perspective. This is not some big new law or decision affecting someones actual life in a meaningful way.

So the public gets what they deserve, not what they demand?

[Kelshir]

Lets keep this in perspective. This is not some big new law or decision affecting someones actual life in a meaningful way.

I'm sitting my real life ass in my real life chair wasting my real life time reading your crap posts saying the same thing over and over and over.

Can you shut up now?

Really.

Real life really.

On this issue everyone is saying the same thing over and over and over. Also, almost all the posts are "crap" as you put it.

You are just upset because I vocally disagree with your position.

Lets try to keep this civil please.

[Kelshir]

Although we will never agree on this, you believe dancing mustard should not have gotten a perm ban, you feel that a temp ban at most would have been a justifiable punishment. I believe that there is only so many times someone can get temp bans and warnings before you might as well get rid of them for good.

no, it's more fundamental: you have lost your will to fight for improvement and you accept that your environment, wherever it is, is not your own nor is it influenceable by you*... I take the counter position.



*which is why you chose to be a traveler passing through, rather than a member of the society, in your analogy.

You are making this out to be more than it really is. We have no rights here other than what is given us by the mods or admins. Any rights we do have can be taken away at any time. There is nothing here to fight for because it is completely controlled in every aspect by the mods and admins.

The best you can hope for is a well thought out and reasoned discussion to change their minds.

There is no grand fight here or on any other forum that is run by a private individual or company.

This is no crusade, this is a few people greatly upset by a relatively minor decision by the people in absolute control.

There is nothing fundamental about this.

Lets keep this in perspective. This is not some big new law or decision affecting someones actual life in a meaningful way.

So the public gets what they deserve, not what they demand?

In a private forum where we are not in control, kind of. We are allowed what the administrators and moderators decide we deserve, nothing more.

In a private forum what we demand means nothing because we are not in control, the administrators and moderators are.

[owenshooter]

This is their playground, their rules, their punishments. By all means, try to change it, just keep in mind that there is very little you can actually do.

really? we got the bigotry guidelines changed after initial feelings by an admin that it was not necessary... that just happened... and now it seems the dialogue about this very thing (perma-bans), has been opened with the admins and
a change seems on the wind. here is the thread, go read it, it is good:

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=91722

it is OUR playground as much as THEIR playground. they are part of and service THE COMMUNITY. we are THE COMMUNITY. this playground may be lack's, but the premium members pay for it. and at the end of the day, we deserve a say in issues that truly affect THE COMMUNITY. so, although i enjoy reading your narrow views, they are just that, NARROW. good luck with being a lemming. some of us believe in rocking the boat for change, when it is necessary. sure, this is a very small part of an online gaming site that we are all members of. but i truly love my time within the forums, feel a part of the community, and love CC and want to see it become even better than what it is now. go check out that thread and see how much change can be brought about by a FOCUSED COMMUNITY.-0

[PLAYER57832]

The past couple of posts have been more blunt, but about what I was going to say.

One thing some forget. Although some of us pay to use the site, the fees are minimal. Another game site has a few board games, does allow more free games, but limits free turns to 15. A membership is $20 a month. No real chat, etc.

A lor of folks act like mods are paid employees or managers. They are not. They are all volunteers. Recently, I believe a couple of people were actually hired, for pay, but that was for technical stuff.

If you wonder why people would spend so much time in the forums or playing games, then you should wonder even more why someone would actually spend their free time to basically chaperone a bunch of, well, winers, complainers and folks who think their whole purpose in life is to make fun of others. Of course, I have/had had some absolutely wonderful conversations, thoroughly enjoy discourse with some (even though I know its not always reciprocal .. "c'est la vis). However, we all have to acknowledge the others exist, too. The main reason they don't overtake the site is the work of the mods.

And, yes, I would say having to weed through threads like this, think about and field complaints like this, is work. Mods come here for fun just like anyone else. Like anyone else, I suspect some find it too encompassing of their lives.... and, to address a point made earlier, that is likely an ironic reason many wind up leaving. The site has so much to offer, it can wind up just taking too much time.

I do think there are legitimate points brought up. I personally think that maybe a bit more freedom would make things easier. However, I also know that I don't have the time or desire right now to even attempt what the mods do. So, well, if I don't like all the decisions that are made .. this is just not a democracy.

[TheProwler]

Lets keep this in perspective. This is not some big new law or decision affecting someones actual life in a meaningful way.

I'm sitting my real life ass in my real life chair wasting my real life time reading your crap posts saying the same thing over and over and over.

Can you shut up now?

Really.

Real life really.

On this issue everyone is saying the same thing over and over and over. Also, almost all the posts are "crap" as you put it.

You are just upset because I vocally disagree with your position.

Lets try to keep this civil please.

I'm sitting my real life ass in my real life chair wasting my real life time reading your crap posts saying the same thing over and over and over.

Can you shut up now?

Really.

Real life really.

[Kelshir]

This is their playground, their rules, their punishments. [b] By all means, try to change it, just keep in mind that there is very little you can actually do.[/b]

really? we got the bigotry guidelines changed after initial feelings by an admin that it was not necessary... that just happened... and now it seems the dialogue about this very thing (perma-bans), has been opened with the admins and
a change seems on the wind. here is the thread, go read it, it is good:

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=91722

it is OUR playground as much as THEIR playground. they are part of and service THE COMMUNITY. we are THE COMMUNITY. this playground may be lack's, but the premium members pay for it. and at the end of the day, we deserve a say in issues that truly affect THE COMMUNITY. so, although i enjoy reading your narrow views, they are just that, NARROW. good luck with being a lemming. some of us believe in rocking the boat for change, when it is necessary. sure, this is a very small part of an online gaming site that we are all members of. but i truly love my time within the forums, feel a part of the community, and love CC and want to see it become even better than what it is now. go check out that thread and see how much change can be brought about by a FOCUSED COMMUNITY.-0

I have read that thread before, have not kept up on it too much.

I said there is little you can do, not nothing. Besides, in that thread people are actually using well thought out arguments and discussions and keeping it civil.

And my views are not narrow, just realistic.

Their playground, we play there, we have fun, we follow the rules.

People keep taking this issue personally and taking everything as a personal attack. Just breath deep and relax.

And if the perm bans get changed to 6 month vacations for minor infractions than congratulations.

[Kelshir]

Lets keep this in perspective. This is not some big new law or decision affecting someones actual life in a meaningful way.

I'm sitting my real life ass in my real life chair wasting my real life time reading your crap posts saying the same thing over and over and over.

Can you shut up now?

Really.

Real life really.

On this issue everyone is saying the same thing over and over and over. Also, almost all the posts are "crap" as you put it.

You are just upset because I vocally disagree with your position.

Lets try to keep this civil please.

I'm sitting my real life ass in my real life chair wasting my real life time reading your crap posts saying the same thing over and over and over.

Can you shut up now?

Really.

Real life really.

On this issue everyone is saying the same thing over and over and over. Also, almost all the posts are "crap" as you put it.

You are just upset because I vocally disagree with your position.

Lets try to keep this civil please.