looking for help in in-game politics

[Crazyirishman]

I like to compliment the person winning so everybody attacks him. Then I attack the people that weakened themselves by hitting the leader, wiping them out followed by the leader. And I don't start or break any truces. Game 5203237 is a good example.

[shidarin]

They want to build empires, not sweep a board on cards.

Plus a thousand. While I'm no veteran on the site, I avoid escalating games because I want to build empires, make strategic and tactically sound moves, and win the game through careful planning and good decisions. Not luck of the dice, not luck of the cards, when I win I want it to be because I made the right moves, the right political alliances, and the right deployments.

Escalating cards doesn't feel like a game of risk to me. It feels like a game of "kick that player in the balls, steal his cards, kick the next player in the balls, steal his cards.." etc etc. I was irked when I built a good solid empire with well defended borders, but the next card turn in of 30 easily trampled them. I certainly enjoyed when I was on the winning end of that deal; but the wins didn't feel as accomplished as winning a flat/no spoils game.

I don't profess to be excellent at the game, I don't profess to having a good win/loss ratio, and I won't say that all my careful planning hasn't been ruined more than a few times by a 20-6 loss. But when I win, it feels like winning, and not some cheap, quick thing to get points and move on. By the time I finish a flat/no game all the players know each other (well, those that talk anyway) which feels great.

Diplomacy is critically important to this game. While some might say it has little impact on escalating games, others have proven that it still will have an impact- and that can be a huge one.

Do not just give up on diplomacy and move to escalating games or other games where it doesn't matter... practice practice practice. Just talk naturally in chat, honor all of your commitments, and have a good time. As you play more and more games, the diplomacy will come naturally.. you will learn what turns people on to truces and what turns them off.. and your playstyle in general improves.

Also, diplomacy isn't limited to just "in chat." Don't forget that your moves on the board have a huge impact in how you are regarded by your fellow players. If you break someone's bonus, expect them to be irked. If you break and HOLD someone's bonus, expect them to be very, very pissed.

You can break someone's bonus and still maintain cordial relations as well as direct other players to him. "Sorry pink, you understand I couldn't leave you on my border getting those troops like that."

Also..

Wow, Red! That was a nice move! I could use a few rounds like that

Slow down Blue!, Your winning too fast. Do you give advice?

While the idea is good, sounding so incredibly lame is dangerous to your health

[stahrgazer]

Avoid the types of games that encourage truces/ganging up and all the other nonsense - escalating is your best bet preferably with at least 5 or 6 players.

Except that once you get any rank, if you open public esc 5 player Classic map and new recruits join, you might be warned and noted as a farmer - happened to someone recently who usually plays that setting.

[squishyg]

Did they simply open the game, or did they invite ?s to join them?

[stahrgazer]

Did they simply open the game, or did they invite ?s to join them?

Nope, the warning was something like, "since too many new recruits are attracted join this setting, you must stop opening games on these settings or be considered farming."

The guy opened a ton of public games on his favorite map and settings, then played whoever joined... no special "invites" given.

At least, no one claims to have received any invites, admin isn't saying they found evidence of invites, the guy who was warned denies sending invites, and there's no evidence he dropped games when higher ranks joined. But, he was warned to stop opening that type of game since lots of new recruits (not just new recruits, but lots) like to play 5-player esc games....

I think the guy joined a couple months ago, so they're calling him a "veteran." Still, since many non nr's as well as nr's are advised to play 5 to 8 player esc games, and "Classic" is still a favorite map for many old and new players, I find that it's no surprise that many join the setting; and there's nothing in place to let anyone auto-ban people below a certain rank or drop a game after it fills but before a player's turn if there's too many nr's or lower ranks in it.

[hwhrhett]

Did they simply open the game, or did they invite ?s to join them?

Nope, the warning was something like, "since too many new recruits are attracted join this setting, you must stop opening games on these settings or be considered farming."

The guy opened a ton of public games on his favorite map and settings, then played whoever joined... no special "invites" given.

At least, no one claims to have received any invites, admin isn't saying they found evidence of invites, the guy who was warned denies sending invites, and there's no evidence he dropped games when higher ranks joined. But, he was warned to stop opening that type of game since lots of new recruits (not just new recruits, but lots) like to play 5-player esc games....

I think the guy joined a couple months ago, so they're calling him a "veteran." Still, since many non nr's as well as nr's are advised to play 5 to 8 player esc games, and "Classic" is still a favorite map for many old and new players, I find that it's no surprise that many join the setting; and there's nothing in place to let anyone auto-ban people below a certain rank or drop a game after it fills but before a player's turn if there's too many nr's or lower ranks in it.

this is a lie.

[hwhrhett]

Did they simply open the game, or did they invite ?s to join them?

Nope, the warning was something like, "since too many new recruits are attracted join this setting, you must stop opening games on these settings or be considered farming."

The guy opened a ton of public games on his favorite map and settings, then played whoever joined... no special "invites" given.

At least, no one claims to have received any invites, admin isn't saying they found evidence of invites, the guy who was warned denies sending invites, and there's no evidence he dropped games when higher ranks joined. But, he was warned to stop opening that type of game since lots of new recruits (not just new recruits, but lots) like to play 5-player esc games....

I think the guy joined a couple months ago, so they're calling him a "veteran." Still, since many non nr's as well as nr's are advised to play 5 to 8 player esc games, and "Classic" is still a favorite map for many old and new players, I find that it's no surprise that many join the setting; and there's nothing in place to let anyone auto-ban people below a certain rank or drop a game after it fills but before a player's turn if there's too many nr's or lower ranks in it.

this is a lie.

p.s. if as i suspect you are refering to bjc, then you should go back and read his thread, it does not say anything about being warned or being foun guilty, it is merely 'noted' which is like having your case thrown out of court....

p.s.s. i thought you left after you pitched a big fit and got them to give your premium away to someone else....

[stahrgazer]

this is a lie.

Nope

p.s. if as i suspect you are refering to bjc, then you should go back and read his thread, it does not say anything about being warned or being foun guilty, it is merely 'noted' which is like having your case thrown out of court....

Nope; "cleared" is throwing it out of court. "Noted" with a comment that he must change his style of games or be considered farming ... well, if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, .... it means that in some form, admin considers primarily playing that style of game to be farming.

p.s.s. i thought you left after you pitched a big fit and got them to give your premium away to someone else....

Actually, I left when I'd tired of unwarranted harassment here, especially after a fucking dweeb flamed by calling me a fucking retard and admin chose to ignore the complaint; despite "retard" having associations that are illegal under the "Americans with Disabilities Act;" associations that make the term "retard" a form of bigotry and harassment which is illegal under that act. That makes such words even more a harassment than terms associated with sexual preference that, for some reason, admin cares more about.

Admin did one thing right; per my request, they used my pre-purchased but not-used year as prizes for the tournament I'd successfully run before I departed.

However, that's off-topic.

The point is, the "help" being suggested here is a form of play that, per admin, COULD be considered farming if the person creates the games being suggested, which apparently attract new recruits - even if the person isn't that long on the site. The occurence will at least be "noted" which is not the same as "cleared and tossed out," and if occurrences repeat, discipline escalates; although now that it has been noted as potential farming, admin could choose to make the first offense by future players, "warnings". Thus, my caution about the suggestion being made here, is warranted.

[hwhrhett]

this is a lie.

Nope

p.s. if as i suspect you are refering to bjc, then you should go back and read his thread, it does not say anything about being warned or being foun guilty, it is merely 'noted' which is like having your case thrown out of court....

Nope; "cleared" is throwing it out of court. "Noted" with a comment that he must change his style of games or be considered farming ... well, if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, .... it means that in some form, admin considers primarily playing that style of game to be farming.

p.s.s. i thought you left after you pitched a big fit and got them to give your premium away to someone else....

Actually, I left when I'd tired of unwarranted harassment here, especially after a fucking dweeb flamed by calling me a fucking retard and admin chose to ignore the complaint; despite "retard" having associations that are illegal under the "Americans with Disabilities Act;" associations that make the term "retard" a form of bigotry and harassment which is illegal under that act. That makes such words even more a harassment than terms associated with sexual preference that, for some reason, admin cares more about.

Admin did one thing right; per my request, they used my pre-purchased but not-used year as prizes for the tournament I'd successfully run before I departed.

However, that's off-topic.

The point is, the "help" being suggested here is a form of play that, per admin, COULD be considered farming if the person creates the games being suggested, which apparently attract new recruits - even if the person isn't that long on the site. The occurence will at least be "noted" which is not the same as "cleared and tossed out," and if occurrences repeat, discipline escalates; although now that it has been noted as potential farming, admin could choose to make the first offense by future players, "warnings". Thus, my caution about the suggestion being made here, is warranted.

your just twisting the truth... noted means there was no proof either way, because you cant prove innocence on alot of things.. noted means nothing.... dont give out bad information to people, and stop hijacking this thread to turn it into something it is not...

[stahrgazer]

this is a lie.

Nope

p.s. if as i suspect you are refering to bjc, then you should go back and read his thread, it does not say anything about being warned or being foun guilty, it is merely 'noted' which is like having your case thrown out of court....

Nope; "cleared" is throwing it out of court. "Noted" with a comment that he must change his style of games or be considered farming ... well, if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, .... it means that in some form, admin considers primarily playing that style of game to be farming.

p.s.s. i thought you left after you pitched a big fit and got them to give your premium away to someone else....

Actually, I left when I'd tired of unwarranted harassment here, especially after a fucking dweeb flamed by calling me a fucking retard and admin chose to ignore the complaint; despite "retard" having associations that are illegal under the "Americans with Disabilities Act;" associations that make the term "retard" a form of bigotry and harassment which is illegal under that act. That makes such words even more a harassment than terms associated with sexual preference that, for some reason, admin cares more about.

Admin did one thing right; per my request, they used my pre-purchased but not-used year as prizes for the tournament I'd successfully run before I departed.

However, that's off-topic.

The point is, the "help" being suggested here is a form of play that, per admin, COULD be considered farming if the person creates the games being suggested, which apparently attract new recruits - even if the person isn't that long on the site. The occurence will at least be "noted" which is not the same as "cleared and tossed out," and if occurrences repeat, discipline escalates; although now that it has been noted as potential farming, admin could choose to make the first offense by future players, "warnings". Thus, my caution about the suggestion being made here, is warranted.

your just twisting the truth... noted means there was no proof either way, because you cant prove innocence on alot of things.. noted means nothing.... dont give out bad information to people, and stop hijacking this thread to turn it into something it is not...

Alas, hrett, you're the one twisting the truth and hijacking a thread. I gave valid information.

[hwhrhett]

Alas, hrett, you're the one twisting the truth and hijacking a thread. I gave valid information.

im just calling it like i see it. its intentionally misleading information.... and isnt about in-game politics...

[stahrgazer]

Alas, hrett, you're the one twisting the truth and hijacking a thread. I gave valid information.

im just calling it like i see it. its intentionally misleading information.... and isnt about in-game politics...

The information is not misleading, and it is on-topic as it is a caution about what can occur if the person takes the most popular recommendation to avoid in-game politics.

[hwhrhett]

Alas, hrett, you're the one twisting the truth and hijacking a thread. I gave valid information.

im just calling it like i see it. its intentionally misleading information.... and isnt about in-game politics...

The information is not misleading, and it is on-topic as it is a caution about what can occur if the person takes the most popular recommendation to avoid in-game politics.

except you are saying that something is against the rules that isnt...

[andy_is_awesome]

...anyway...

If you skip page 3 of this thread, it's a pretty good thread.