Enough Already

[AAFitz]

I just got off of a week's ban for "flaming" and took a look at the "Owenshooter" thread. This has got to be one of the funniest threads i've read here - post after post of it had me cracking up, and then i get to the end and see that andydufresne locked it "to prevent any more spam". Dancing Mustard was permabanned for his contribution, which was hilarious but certainly no more of a "flame" than any of the others - i notice no one else on the thread got banned at all. Selective banning, anyone? The thread now seems to be removed completely, although it may still be on one of the back pages. What a surprise - do you guys have a specific mod for getting rid of evidence?

I gotta say that this is a prime example of what's pushing the forum into a veritable sargasso sea of lackluster, inane threads. So now we have it clearly from andy -
Humor = Spam. If you want to be funny, make sure you kiss some ass first so they won't be out to get you.

The bottom line here is money. Just like the deadbeat situation, where the rules are geared to draw more members and suckitupcupcake to the already existing members whose games are slowed down and beleaguered with a plethora of suddenly neutral countries. The forum is now being treated the same way - the admins have decided that a boring forum is a safe forum - which translates as a more lucrative forum. The sad part is that there's a rather large number of members who prefer a safe, boring forum, even though most of them rarely if ever post on it, and when they do no one particularly cares to read their insipid tripe.

I can now understand why some former members are doing things to sabotage the site, and i can't really say that i blame them. The situation as it stands is pretty damn stupid.


Honibaz

Easily one way to look at it.

The other would be that CC is just a group of people with the main purpose of playing the actual game and chatting about it and some other things. Its possible that the Mods did not enjoy watching people get attacked repeatedly, so they closed flame wars. Its possible that they actually dont have a clear goal, and are just trying to make it a fun safe place for people to enjoy the game. Its also possible that it will be better this way.

Certainly this cant be the only forum on the internet. Certainly there must be other places to have some fun chatting with other people, with whatever language you want, and whatever jokes you want.

What I dont understand is why some feel, that it is CC's obligation to provide this forum. I can guess that its simply a result of it essentially, accidentally turning into that. Lacks genuine regard for openness and general liberal stance on subjects, allowed the site to become what it was. Now, I completely agree that there were some creative and intellectual gems deleted with flame wars. And I might even like to play in such a forum again. If I do, ill go find one. But I certainly wont suggest to some guy that he should allow it on his game that he set up, simply because he gave me access to play it and post on it for $25, because if he started telling me how I should run my business, Id have the same answer for him, and it would not be allowed under the current posting guidelines.

My point is BK, not that you are wrong, but more that perhaps you are in the wrong place?

Yeap, that is the point Fitz... but that we are here and pissing and moaning rather indicates that we liked it here better than anywhere else before.

Are you suggesting that we should always accept change happily and not attempt to influence the environment which we previously called 'home'. And if we can not we just leave?

i think you are right and sad though i am, that is what i will do, so i won't be renewing membership for a plethora of reasons. (the last and most final being the manner in which FlameWars was deleted.)

...some bloody monkey (kind and well intentioned friend!) bought me an extension to my frigging membership .. i tried to pass it to another but i was not allowed ..hehe so my dramatic exit and door slam may take some time! .. can you hear the slow-mo 'b' of *bang!!*?

Well, I really was specifically responding to BK, and the reason is, is mostly because since he got here, he really has simply complained about everything. Hes not happy about the game, the forum, the deletion of flame wars, the deletion of people, hes complained about nearly every person in charge.... It just seems that maybe hes in the wrong place...or, that he is is the exact correct place, but only because he likes to complain about everything, for the sake of complaining about it. This isnt an attack on him, more of an observation ie question.

I do know your question about staying quiet if youre not happy was rhetorical for the most part, knowing full well, that if I disagree, I say as much, though to be honest, I usually did so in the mod forum, and not in the public one. Probably the biggest irony has been that publicly I have always been supportive, but when I had access to the mod forum, there were times I could have possibly been the loudest voice of dissent. That all ended however, when the new management took over, and I simply liked how everything was going, and never really disagreed enough any more to be useful...I digress.

All I was trying to point out in this case was, that since BK has complained from the very day he got here about everything, and nearly every mod, that maybe hes in the wrong place? I mean, there are so many people happy with this place, and so few with any real complaints, that have fun with the game on a daily basis. For those that post their hatred of how its run, every single day.... wouldnt they just be happier somewhere else? And Im only asking it, because I almost think its something that some of them have never actually considered.

[notyou2]

I spend a lot of time browsing the forums on this site while waiting for turns in my 10 - 20 ongoing games.

Some of the forums were funny and entertaining, but the vast majority of them aren't......it appears we are to be mindless automatons that are only to discuss strategy and map making.

Its great to have some funny stuff to read while you wait, but apparently Idi Admin doesn't like that....very sad.

[b.k. barunt]

I'd say from the looks of things that a lot of people are disgusted with the way things are handled around here, but that's probably all my fault right fitz? You've made your way through life by kissing up to those in charge, and become successful at it. I've made my way by fighting those in charge who abuse their authority, and it doesn't pay as well, so i guess you got me there.

One thing anyone who has worked for a living has found out - if you want to succeed in the business world you must become adept at asskissing.
One of the inevitable problems with that is that if you are one of the asskissers, you will resent the hell out of someone who is not - like they have a lot of gall to think they can make it without demeaning themselves the way you had to - arrogant pricks!

In the 2 1/2 years i've been here, i've never seen you complain about anything, and when someone else does you always take the side of the mods. Why is that? Is it because nothing's ever wrong here?

You are the flip side to the coin fitz - i complain all the time and you kiss ass all the time. I will admit to excessive complaining on my part - will you admit to excessive ass kissing on yours? No? Well then maybe i'm more honest then you. Cheers.


Honibaz

[Woodruff]

I'd say from the looks of things that a lot of people are disgusted with the way things are handled around here, but that's probably all my fault right fitz? You've made your way through life by kissing up to those in charge, and become successful at it. I've made my way by fighting those in charge who abuse their authority, and it doesn't pay as well, so i guess you got me there.
One thing anyone who has worked for a living has found out - if you want to succeed in the business world you must become adept at asskissing.
One of the inevitable problems with that is that if you are one of the asskissers, you will resent the hell out of someone who is not - like they have a lot of gall to think they can make it without demeaning themselves the way you had to - arrogant pricks!
In the 2 1/2 years i've been here, i've never seen you complain about anything, and when someone else does you always take the side of the mods. Why is that? Is it because nothing's ever wrong here?
You are the flip side to the coin fitz - i complain all the time and you kiss ass all the time. I will admit to excessive complaining on my part - will you admit to excessive ass kissing on yours? No? Well then maybe i'm more honest then you. Cheers.

You've made precisely the same claim about me, when it clearly isn't true for either of us. Perhaps you believe the definition of "ass-kisser" is "not antagonistic"?

[b.k. barunt]

Trolling again woodruff? How is it that when i reply to one of your posts, you whine about me of following you around? The only posts of yours that i've replied to lately are when you follow me - i was addressing fitz, not you, and yet here you are trolling after me - who's stalking who?

So if i refer to more than one person as an asskisser that makes it questionable? Brilliant! Thank you so much for your input.


Honibaz

[4myGod]

You've made precisely the same claim about me, when it clearly isn't true for either of us. Perhaps you believe the definition of "ass-kisser" is "not antagonistic"?

Yeah woodruff, you of all people, stay on topic.

I agree with BK. He "complains" a lot, but I think his complaints were at one time constructive criticism.

[jiminski]

but what i will not forgive is that they deleted a whole forum which i frequented, its past and present, and then made it a joke!
What more could they do to illustrate my worthlessness and their absolute contempt for my contribution here!?

this is the problem with your thinking, flame wars makes this a better game? perhaps i just dont understand....

Edmund Burke writing on the British Governance of the America's .. prior to the revolution.

Again and again, revert to your old principles—seek peace and ensue it; leave America, if she has taxable matter in her, to tax herself. I am not here going into the distinctions of rights, nor attempting to mark their boundaries. I do not enter into these metaphysical distinctions; I hate the very sound of them. Leave the Americans as they anciently stood, and these distinctions, born of our unhappy contest, will die along with it...Be content to bind America by laws of trade; you have always done it...Do not burthen them with taxes...But if intemperately, unwisely, fatally, you sophisticate and poison the very source of government by urging subtle deductions, and consequences odious to those you govern, from the unlimited and illimitable nature of supreme sovereignty, you will teach them by these means to call that sovereignty itself in question

Now i am not implying that the crackling fervour of revolution is amongst us.. christ this is an online forum of a gaming site.. i truly would require a little perspective. What i am identifying is that this thinker, of empirically great foresight and acclaim, advocated prescription and understood that continuity is prudent. The imposition of fundamental change breeds dissatisfaction. (anyone who can not make the leap to this metaphor really needs to read Burke's text again and open their mind a little. If then you still do not agree with the concept of brutal and badly tended change leading to malcontent? Fine, and please elaborate why, but the facile position that this is an irrelevant parallel will just not do.)

So far from me having to justify my position it is the site who would be well advised to justify its position if it should hope to placate me and settle discontent.
Note, i did not say it has to.. merely that it would be well advised. I agree it can do whatever it wants as it holds complete sovereignty .. but this same perception inspired the toast at the Boston Tea Party.

Alas, its silence and continued arrogance on that speaks more than any words it could muster.

[jiminski]

I will even write what i would be really happy with.

The note from the Site should read:

Dear CC community,

We understand your unhappiness with some of the recent changes in policy and the complete Removal of FlameWars.

Hopefully i can go some way to repair any damage in our relations as i agree that the Flamewars deletion was handled less than correctly. I apologise for this and hope that we can all be friends again soon

We removed Flamewars as it appeared to have served its usefulness, it had deteriorated into a repetitive and bitter exercise in futility and as such was far from its original purpose i.e. a place to let off steam and focus negativity outside of the mainstream of Forum life.
More, we felt it had become the opposite and was creating negativity from within and then throwing it outwards.

This is still the position we hold and keeping this in mind, i do see that Flamewars at its best and while addressing a broader range of subject matter beyond its original remit, was a vibrant and fun place.

Flamewars will not be reinstated, however i will meet you halfway:- a Private no-holds-barred, Off-topic Forum will be formed.

I propose the following:

- That the old Flamewars Forum be archived, so that users may search old posts and threads in the normal way.
- A new 'Private Forum' be created, the thread titles and entry is not automatically viewed from the Board Index. Access to threads will only be attained after a disclaimer is agreed to.
The new 'Private Forum' is like a hidden Usergroup but with open entry to those who agree to the disclaimer and that they are over 16 years of age.

This Forum will be Moderated by Jiminski, Owenshooter, Changsha, B.K.Barunt, Dancing Mustard (DM Ban will remain on all Public Fora, with Forum Access limited to this Private Forum only) AAFitz and Woodruff.

The New forum will not be used as an overflow for threads gone bad in the main Fora as we feel that this encourages bad behaviour and corruption of well intentioned threads. Bad behaviour will still not be tolerated and flaming will not be allowed on any Public Forum.

We propose that within this new Private Forum all the basic rules of bigotry be upheld (i am sure Owenshooter will ensure this single-handed) along with the major infractions (no posting of porn, private information and so on) but that free flowing discussion and the mode of language will be at the discretion of the Private Forum moderators.

I wish to make this clear, this does not allow free-reign to flame and hijack Main Forum topics and it will in fact lead to a tougher stance on disruptive activity if anything.
We are giving you a place to play so don't abuse that please.

Good luck, i look forward to seeing how this works for the new Sub-Mods

Signed, The Site

[AAFitz]

I'd say from the looks of things that a lot of people are disgusted with the way things are handled around here, but that's probably all my fault right fitz? You've made your way through life by kissing up to those in charge, and become successful at it. I've made my way by fighting those in charge who abuse their authority, and it doesn't pay as well, so i guess you got me there.

One thing anyone who has worked for a living has found out - if you want to succeed in the business world you must become adept at asskissing.
One of the inevitable problems with that is that if you are one of the asskissers, you will resent the hell out of someone who is not - like they have a lot of gall to think they can make it without demeaning themselves the way you had to - arrogant pricks!

In the 2 1/2 years i've been here, i've never seen you complain about anything, and when someone else does you always take the side of the mods. Why is that? Is it because nothing's ever wrong here?

You are the flip side to the coin fitz - i complain all the time and you kiss ass all the time. I will admit to excessive complaining on my part - will you admit to excessive ass kissing on yours? No? Well then maybe i'm more honest then you. Cheers.


Honibaz

Well, as I said, as and advisor, my role was essentially the complete opposite, and if I posted, it was almost always in disagreement. Further, in the early days Im not sure some of the mods had more of a complainer than me. I took on the unprofessional ones on regularly.

Also, you are calling my positive attitude as ass kissing. You assume that my goal is the same as in business, which is to succeed. However, I have no vested goal in succeeding here. I do not want to be a mod, and refused when asked. I even left the team when I felt I was no longer needed, so If you see me backing up a mod, its because I agree with them, or at least enough to step up and protect them from the likes of you, who is just a bully, trying to pick on someone, and complain about something, as you have from day one. Youre posts have always been negative, and always been attacking someone, and its clear thats what you like doing. Its not some grand goal as you claim to save the site and be honest, its an obvious desire to cause harm... or at least thats how it is seen by me. My goal is the opposite. I enjoy a positive atmosphere, with positive people who are able to have fun together, without those who try to take away that fun.

If you need another example of you obviously just enjoying the negativity, and the conflict for the sake of it:

Honibaz.

Anyone who carries on mocking someone who left the site ages ago, clearly enjoys the mocking part of it, more than being honest about the situation. You can try to wrap it up and put a bow on it as working for the common good, but Ive seen too much of your posts to be fooled. Its obvious you just enjoy complaining about someone or something, since thats all youve ever done. Again, this is in no way meant as an attack. It really is just an observation, and Im not even saying its a negative thing. Its what you enjoy obviously, and if you do it within the rules of the game, youll be fine.

However, if you arent happy that the rules wont let you do it at the level youd like, perhaps you are in the wrong place, which was all I was saying.

One more thing. You asked if I was usually on the side of the mods and then answered No for me, and then presumed to call me less honest than you. I have never said I havent backed up the mods, and when asked, I always state that I tend to back them up. When I was on team CC, even more so. More importantly however, this is not some ass-kissing as you suggest, where I am hoping to get a gold star...its in an effort usually to help out a mod, who has volunteered their time to help run a site that I have enjoyed playing on, and I simply jump in to give them support when I see they need it. Thats easy to call ass-kissing I suppose, but in actuality, its just protecting them from the bullies who always will, and always have preyed on the weaker people. Some simply know no other way. Luckilly, others will always step in and help them out. You can call that asskissing all you want and even believe it.

However, to thine own self be true. By all means pat yourself on the back for the service you have done for CC if you wish, and if that makes you feel better. But seriously, dont try to convince someone whos read most of your posts like me, and who is an asskisser...because I know as an asskisser what comes out of it....and what it looks like.

[xelabale]

I will even write what i would be really happy with.

The note from the Site should read:

Dear CC community,

We understand your unhappiness with some of the recent changes in policy and the complete Removal of FlameWars.

Hopefully i can go some way to repair any damage in our relations as i agree that the Flamewars deletion was handled less than correctly. I apologise for this and hope that we can all be friends again soon

We removed Flamewars as it appeared to have served its usefulness, it had deteriorated into a repetitive and bitter exercise in futility and as such was far from its original purpose i.e. a place to let off steam and focus negativity outside of the mainstream of Forum life.
More, we felt it had become the opposite and was creating negativity from within and then throwing it outwards.

This is still the position we hold and keeping this in mind, i do see that Flamewars at its best and while addressing a broader range of subject matter beyond its original remit, was a vibrant and fun place.

Flamewars will not be reinstated, however i will meet you halfway:- a Private no-holds-barred, Off-topic Forum will be formed.

I propose the following:

- That the old Flamewars Forum be archived, so that users may search old posts and threads in the normal way.
- A new 'Private Forum' be created, the thread titles and entry is not automatically viewed from the Board Index. Access to threads will only be attained after a disclaimer is agreed to.
The new 'Private Forum' is like a hidden Usergroup but with open entry to those who agree to the disclaimer and that they are over 16 years of age.

This Forum will be Moderated by Jiminski, Owenshooter, Changsha, B.K.Barunt, Dancing Mustard (DM Ban will remain on all Public Fora, with Forum Access limited to this Private Forum only) AAFitz and Woodruff.

The New forum will not be used as an overflow for threads gone bad in the main Fora as we feel that this encourages bad behaviour and corruption of well intentioned threads. Bad behaviour will still not be tolerated and flaming will not be allowed on any Public Forum.

We propose that within this new Private Forum all the basic rules of bigotry be upheld (i am sure Owenshooter will ensure this single-handed) along with the major infractions (no posting of porn, private information and so on) but that free flowing discussion and the mode of language will be at the discretion of the Private Forum moderators.

I wish to make this clear, this does not allow free-reign to flame and hijack Main Forum topics and it will in fact lead to a tougher stance on disruptive activity if anything.
We are giving you a place to play so don't abuse that please.

Good luck, i look forward to seeing how this works for the new Sub-Mods

Signed, The Site

What a good idea - has this been formally suggested?

[4myGod]

the people that hung out in flame wars began to think that type of behaviour was ok in ALL forums..

How do they know this? If a bull is in a china shop and all the dishes break, you blame the bull... was it the bulls fault? maybe not... should the bull be kicked out just because he is a bull? no, perhaps he wants to spend money.

So now, if there are flamers on the forum flaming in other threads and you have a "flame wars" forum, you automatically claim that the flame wars forum must have overflowed into the other forums. There is no way to prove that.

Let's say you take out the flame wars forum and flaming in other forums goes down. It must have been the fault of the flame wars forum then right? No. It was most likely because the people who have been here long enough to confidently flame other users probably left when they felt their interesting forum was being taken away, or they stopped visiting the forums as much because the main reason they were visiting was for the flame wars forum, or they stopped participating in topics because they were too busy trying to get flame wars back.

So now it's only a matter of time before more users grow into the site and become confident and knowledgeable enough to flame other users.

[xelabale]

the people that hung out in flame wars began to think that type of behaviour was ok in ALL forums..

How do they know this? If a bull is in a china shop and all the dishes break, you blame the bull... was it the bulls fault? maybe not... should the bull be kicked out just because he is a bull? no, perhaps he wants to spend money.

So now, if there are flamers on the forum flaming in other threads and you have a "flame wars" forum, you automatically claim that the flame wars forum must have overflowed into the other forums. There is no way to prove that.

Let's say you take out the flame wars forum and flaming in other forums goes down. It must have been the fault of the flame wars forum then right? No. It was most likely because the people who have been here long enough to confidently flame other users probably left when they felt their interesting forum was being taken away, or they stopped visiting the forums as much because the main reason they were visiting was for the flame wars forum, or they stopped participating in topics because they were too busy trying to get flame wars back.

So now it's only a matter of time before more users grow into the site and become confident and knowledgeable enough to flame other users.

Disclaimer: 4myGod's views do not represent the views of other pro-flamewars members. Any resemblance to other's opinions whether intentional or not is purely coincidental.

I have noticed an increase in flaming over the last few weeks across CC. It is prevalent in game chat, in Turtle soup and even in General Discussion. There is only one logical conclusion to this - since flamewars was removed the lesser beings who frequented there have come to OUR fora to pollute and desecrate them.

We've tried banning principle members of this group in the hope that this would quieten them down. However, if anything it seems to have stirred up a hornets nest. I see no signs of this dissipating, and if anything, foresee it getting worse.

Following the argument presented above we can reach only one conclusion - the removal of FW was a terrible mistake. The only way to rectify this situation is to reinstate it in the hopes of removing those individuals from OUR fora, allowing us to continue OUR discussions in peace.

Regards,

Xela

[Woodruff]

I have noticed an increase in flaming over the last few weeks across CC. It is prevalent in game chat, in Turtle soup and even in General Discussion. There is only one logical conclusion to this - since flamewars was removed the lesser beings who frequented there have come to OUR fora to pollute and desecrate them.

It seems to me to have had much more to do with DM's banning than anything else, based simply on the timing of what I've seen.

[xelabale]

I have noticed an increase in flaming over the last few weeks across CC. It is prevalent in game chat, in Turtle soup and even in General Discussion. There is only one logical conclusion to this - since flamewars was removed the lesser beings who frequented there have come to OUR fora to pollute and desecrate them.

It seems to me to have had much more to do with DM's banning than anything else, based simply on the timing of what I've seen.

Banning a member makes people ruder? It's much more likely that those bad-mouthed fiends are here spamming up OUR fora now, don't you think?

[jbrettlip]

No,banning DM pissed a lot of people off. There isn't much flaming in GD, there is just a lot of disagreement.

[Kotaro]

The banning of DM pissed a LOT of people off; more then the mods are aware of. Doing that did bring some spam/flaming into these forums, but it is mostly disagreement, as the poster before me said. Most people that spammed/flamed over the event got warnings and just became disrespectful to the moderation/administration team.

[b.k. barunt]

I will even write what i would be really happy with.

The note from the Site should read:

Dear CC community,

We understand your unhappiness with some of the recent changes in policy and the complete Removal of FlameWars.

Hopefully i can go some way to repair any damage in our relations as i agree that the Flamewars deletion was handled less than correctly. I apologise for this and hope that we can all be friends again soon

We removed Flamewars as it appeared to have served its usefulness, it had deteriorated into a repetitive and bitter exercise in futility and as such was far from its original purpose i.e. a place to let off steam and focus negativity outside of the mainstream of Forum life.
More, we felt it had become the opposite and was creating negativity from within and then throwing it outwards.

This is still the position we hold and keeping this in mind, i do see that Flamewars at its best and while addressing a broader range of subject matter beyond its original remit, was a vibrant and fun place.

Flamewars will not be reinstated, however i will meet you halfway:- a Private no-holds-barred, Off-topic Forum will be formed.

I propose the following:

- That the old Flamewars Forum be archived, so that users may search old posts and threads in the normal way.
- A new 'Private Forum' be created, the thread titles and entry is not automatically viewed from the Board Index. Access to threads will only be attained after a disclaimer is agreed to.
The new 'Private Forum' is like a hidden Usergroup but with open entry to those who agree to the disclaimer and that they are over 16 years of age.

This Forum will be Moderated by Jiminski, Owenshooter, Changsha, B.K.Barunt, Dancing Mustard (DM Ban will remain on all Public Fora, with Forum Access limited to this Private Forum only) AAFitz and Woodruff.

The New forum will not be used as an overflow for threads gone bad in the main Fora as we feel that this encourages bad behaviour and corruption of well intentioned threads. Bad behaviour will still not be tolerated and flaming will not be allowed on any Public Forum.

We propose that within this new Private Forum all the basic rules of bigotry be upheld (i am sure Owenshooter will ensure this single-handed) along with the major infractions (no posting of porn, private information and so on) but that free flowing discussion and the mode of language will be at the discretion of the Private Forum moderators.

I wish to make this clear, this does not allow free-reign to flame and hijack Main Forum topics and it will in fact lead to a tougher stance on disruptive activity if anything.
We are giving you a place to play so don't abuse that please.

Good luck, i look forward to seeing how this works for the new Sub-Mods

Signed, The Site

Great post Jimbo, and outstanding idea, which in itself will kill it with andy and lack. You did however offer something that made me say WTF????? Fitz and woodruff for moderators???? WTF????? Both of these prigs have made it clear how they feel about flaming, and you want them to moderate a forum where flaming would be allowed???? WTF??? Look at fitz's last post - the moron thinks i'm still mocking Honibaz (who hasn't been here in 2 years) with the "Honibaz" thing. This proves to him that i love mocking people. WTF? I fooking like the name "Honibaz" - i may possibly make a Honibaz multi one day, just to get fitz's panties in a wad. Seriously these two have shown themselves to be sanctimonius and self righteous to a nauseating extreme - they have no business modding anything.

Couldn't we possibly form a clan, which would give us our own forum, and take it from there?


Honibaz
Honibaz
extra special double Honibaz just for fitz.

[oVo]

[...] we can reach only one conclusion - the removal of FW was a terrible mistake. The only way to rectify this situation is to reinstate it in the hopes of removing those individuals from OUR fora, allowing us to continue OUR discussions in peace.

I don't perceive "the removal of FW" as a mistake and there was no method of extinguishing it that would have eased the transistion of it's demise or satisfied it's resident squatters. If the flaming situation is ongoing it will be rectified by the removal of "individuals" who ignore the changes (and warnings) and continue with total disregard for current CC policy... eventually all discussions will proceed without them.

In another thread DancingMustard claimed that one positive aspect of Flame Wars was as the recepticle (or final destination) of threads that had gone wrong. Posters got rough and the mods would say "Take it to flame wars" or a thread crudely wanders off topic or is rudely heated up and it was moved to flame wars. But this meant you could enter a thread anywhere on the forum and end up in Flame Wars, since the Subject Line remains where it was originally posted. So even players with no intention of going there found themselves knee deep in it anyway. It also meant that many inappropriate posts were tolerated and moved, not locked. So things went back to business as usual until the mods became aware of the next dust up and the cycle continued on. I didn't see this as a "positive aspect" and think the overall negative effect is one reason FWs is now extinct.

I do agree with posters' who believe that infractions and the level of punishments should be re-evaluated with the intention of correcting inconsistencies that are found in how these policies are administered.

jiminski -- There are free sites out there where you can create any type of forum you want...
and invite all your favorite thinkers to moderate and participate. If you want a Flame Forum?
just make it and they will come.

[timmytuttut88]

Honestly guys do you really want FWs back? Remember how crappy it was right before it was deleted? Sure FWs did have it's "glory days", but those are long gone now and it would probably just turn into what it was before.

[Woodruff]

This Forum will be Moderated by Jiminski, Owenshooter, Changsha, B.K.Barunt, Dancing Mustard (DM Ban will remain on all Public Fora, with Forum Access limited to this Private Forum only) AAFitz and Woodruff.
The New forum will not be used as an overflow for threads gone bad in the main Fora as we feel that this encourages bad behaviour and corruption of well intentioned threads. Bad behaviour will still not be tolerated and flaming will not be allowed on any Public Forum.
We propose that within this new Private Forum all the basic rules of bigotry be upheld (i am sure Owenshooter will ensure this single-handed) along with the major infractions (no posting of porn, private information and so on) but that free flowing discussion and the mode of language will be at the discretion of the Private Forum moderators.
I wish to make this clear, this does not allow free-reign to flame and hijack Main Forum topics and it will in fact lead to a tougher stance on disruptive activity if anything.
We are giving you a place to play so don't abuse that please.
Good luck, i look forward to seeing how this works for the new Sub-Mods
Signed, The Site

Great post Jimbo, and outstanding idea, which in itself will kill it with andy and lack. You did however offer something that made me say WTF????? Fitz and woodruff for moderators???? WTF????? Both of these prigs have made it clear how they feel about flaming, and you want them to moderate a forum where flaming would be allowed???? WTF???

Some people are able to put aside their personal feelings about a situation to do a job that needs to be done. Just because I don't personally care for flaming doesn't mean that I wouldn't be able to do the job in such a situation KNOWING GOING IN that mild flaming would be allowed (as he said, free-rein flaming would still not be tolerated). Truth be told, I'm not interested in a moderator position of any sort anywhere, but that's irrelevant to my ability to do so quite well if I should accept such a position. I'm sure AAFitz would just as easily be able to do so.

[AAFitz]

actually, I believe you were mentioning that you were standing up for what was right, were courageous, and some hero of flame wars wannabes.

If you arent mocking honibaz by including his name then so be it. Im sure theres a good reason then.

Again, I call it like I see it. You call it ass kissing all you want. Perhaps you did miss the times I posted against AK, and the times I posted against wicked...but I dont care. Certainly you didnt see my posts while in the collective, but thats because its none of your business. You can take my word for it, that it wasnt ass kissing, or not.

Whats funny here, is you simply rehashed your entire previous post that I already answered.

Also, youre assuming that somehow that because I have some fun in here, it translates into my real life. First of all, I dont kiss ass to those in charge. I am in charge. I have my own company and always will. Secondly, if you ever saw me deal with people when they are wrong, or making the wrong decision and it wasnt in the interest of my customers, or me, you would see I am the furthest thing from an ass-kisser there is. I have never once held my tongue when fellow companies are making mistakes. I obviously kiss the customers ass, but that is completely different. Im actually the opposite, which is why Im posting here.

I dont post to support those in charge. I support those who I think are right. As I mentioned, I have helped out the occasional mod or two when they were being attacked by bullies, but again... I already admitted that before, and have never denied it.

I do laugh at the analogy of real life and you posting this forum though. I really do. I have fun taking this place seriously once in a while, and its some great fun. But never do I judge the people things say or do here. I just assumed most realized this is all make-believe, and that people like you were just blowing off some steam.

If you truly think you are saving the world by fighting for your noble cause of re-instating flame wars, so you can make fun of 16 and 17 year old kids and mock their signature, than have your fun. I again, suggest maybe you are in the wrong place.

Either way, thanks for the entertainment once again...and good luck with your noble fight. I hope you get the satisfaction out of your crusade that you are looking for.

Also, you like many read the few disgruntled posts, and assume that because there are a few complaints, that all of CC is thinking the same thing.

How you have missed the fact that all of CC is mostly just playing a game, and couldnt possibly care about what the tiny percentage of posters that frequent this forum are talking about never ceases to amaze me. You think all of the CC community is in an uproar about the lack of flame wars, and that some guy named Dancing Mustard got banned? Really?

Ive been here almost 3 years too. I dont even know who dancing mustard is. I dont care who he is, or why he got banned...and Im a fairly active member to say the least. Do you really think the rest of the majority really actually cares. Do you not realize that the majority of members just want to play the game and have some fun. Do you not realize that the vast majority hated flame wars, because they didnt feel like having people just call them whatever they want, and talk trash back and forth incessantly. I mean, in real life, are all the people looking for a fight, and swearing at each other and calling each other some vile forms of genetalia repeatedly. I mean really, even at your biker bars, are you all just swearing at each other all the time...perhaps...but more likely, your group, like most other are just hanging out, trading stories, and having fun. No ones fighting and screaming for the hell of it.

Flame wars was fun, and those who were creative in it were truly creative. I myself enjoyed myself, though I usually did so with less vulgar language than most. Ironically, its cleaner language than I use in real life, because I work in construction, and the usual conversation there is more vulgar and lively than most flame wars conversations ever were. Again, you seem to be assuming that Im some ass kisser in a suit working my way up the ladder, when in fact I have scratched and sweated for every dollar Ive ever made. Ive had help from some great employees and contacts and some great customers to boot, but any success I have had, or ever will have had, will not have come from one peck on the cheek.

It will of course be from a positive attitude, a spirit of teamwork, and certainly the ability to work with other people as efficiently as possible, all while putting in some grueling hours in every weather condition imaginable. But hey, if you need to see me as some pencil pushing ass kisser, than thats fine with me. Youre an icon with a squash on a computer screen to me, so I really dont care in reality what you think. Im simply thankful that I can have fun here, without the need to complain about everything, and pick on people at every opportunity, and never once call them the things that you have called people, all real people, not to mention mostly children in your stay here.

If you think that makes you more honest, so be it.

[b.k. barunt]

Great post Jimbo, and outstanding idea, which in itself will kill it with andy and lack. You did however offer something that made me say WTF????? Fitz and woodruff for moderators???? WTF????? Both of these prigs have made it clear how they feel about flaming, and you want them to moderate a forum where flaming would be allowed???? WTF???

Some people are able to put aside their personal feelings about a situation to do a job that needs to be done. Just because I don't personally care for flaming doesn't mean that I wouldn't be able to do the job in such a situation KNOWING GOING IN that mild flaming would be allowed (as he said, free-rein flaming would still not be tolerated). Truth be told, I'm not interested in a moderator position of any sort anywhere, but that's irrelevant to my ability to do so quite well if I should accept such a position. I'm sure AAFitz would just as easily be able to do so.

Thereyago Jimbo, won't it be just grand to have woodruff modding our "mild flaming"? Heh heh


Honibaz

[b.k. barunt]

actually, I believe you were mentioning that you were standing up for what was right, were courageous, and some hero of flame wars wannabes.

If you arent mocking honibaz by including his name then so be it. Im sure theres a good reason then.

Again, I call it like I see it. You call it ass kissing all you want. Perhaps you did miss the times I posted against AK, and the times I posted against wicked...but I dont care. Certainly you didnt see my posts while in the collective, but thats because its none of your business. You can take my word for it, that it wasnt ass kissing, or not.

Whats funny here, is you simply rehashed your entire previous post that I already answered.

Also, youre assuming that somehow that because I have some fun in here, it translates into my real life. First of all, I dont kiss ass to those in charge. I am in charge. I have my own company and always will. Secondly, if you ever saw me deal with people when they are wrong, or making the wrong decision and it wasnt in the interest of my customers, or me, you would see I am the furthest thing from an ass-kisser there is. I have never once held my tongue when fellow companies are making mistakes. I obviously kiss the customers ass, but that is completely different. Im actually the opposite, which is why Im posting here.

I dont post to support those in charge. I support those who I think are right. As I mentioned, I have helped out the occasional mod or two when they were being attacked by bullies, but again... I already admitted that before, and have never denied it.

I do laugh at the analogy of real life and you posting this forum though. I really do. I have fun taking this place seriously once in a while, and its some great fun. But never do I judge the people things say or do here. I just assumed most realized this is all make-believe, and that people like you were just blowing off some steam.

If you truly think you are saving the world by fighting for your noble cause of re-instating flame wars, so you can make fun of 16 and 17 year old kids and mock their signature, than have your fun. I again, suggest maybe you are in the wrong place.

Either way, thanks for the entertainment once again...and good luck with your noble fight. I hope you get the satisfaction out of your crusade that you are looking for.

Also, you like many read the few disgruntled posts, and assume that because there are a few complaints, that all of CC is thinking the same thing.

How you have missed the fact that all of CC is mostly just playing a game, and couldnt possibly care about what the tiny percentage of posters that frequent this forum are talking about never ceases to amaze me. You think all of the CC community is in an uproar about the lack of flame wars, and that some guy named Dancing Mustard got banned? Really?

Ive been here almost 3 years too. I dont even know who dancing mustard is. I dont care who he is, or why he got banned...and Im a fairly active member to say the least. Do you really think the rest of the majority really actually cares. Do you not realize that the majority of members just want to play the game and have some fun. Do you not realize that the vast majority hated flame wars, because they didnt feel like having people just call them whatever they want, and talk trash back and forth incessantly. I mean, in real life, are all the people looking for a fight, and swearing at each other and calling each other some vile forms of genetalia repeatedly. I mean really, even at your biker bars, are you all just swearing at each other all the time...perhaps...but more likely, your group, like most other are just hanging out, trading stories, and having fun. No ones fighting and screaming for the hell of it.

Flame wars was fun, and those who were creative in it were truly creative. I myself enjoyed myself, though I usually did so with less vulgar language than most. Ironically, its cleaner language than I use in real life, because I work in construction, and the usual conversation there is more vulgar and lively than most flame wars conversations ever were. Again, you seem to be assuming that Im some ass kisser in a suit working my way up the ladder, when in fact I have scratched and sweated for every dollar Ive ever made. Ive had help from some great employees and contacts and some great customers to boot, but any success I have had, or ever will have had, will not have come from one peck on the cheek.

It will of course be from a positive attitude, a spirit of teamwork, and certainly the ability to work with other people as efficiently as possible, all while putting in some grueling hours in every weather condition imaginable. But hey, if you need to see me as some pencil pushing ass kisser, than thats fine with me. Youre an icon with a squash on a computer screen to me, so I really dont care in reality what you think. Im simply thankful that I can have fun here, without the need to complain about everything, and pick on people at every opportunity, and never once call them the things that you have called people, all real people, not to mention mostly children in your stay here.

If you think that makes you more honest, so be it.

Damn fitz, i thought my post to you was a bit long - this is a fooking novel. Are you really that carried away with yourself to think that anyone but woodruff would read this paean to diarrhea of the mouth? Sorry man, you keep saying the same old things in the same old way.

What was that about the "mod forum" where you drop your sychophant identity and do battle with the mods? I never heard of any "mod forum", and if there is such a thing, why would they let you on it? You're not a mod - do they just let you come there to do battle with them? Why don't they ask me? I enjoy that kind of thing - you don't. See why i don't believe you half the time?


your fren
Honibaz

[AgentSmith88]

Anyone thought of creating a Flame Wars social group? There would be a separate forum for just those who belong to the group. That would probably be the easiest way to get the private forum you are looking for. To top it off, you wouldn't have to worry about moderators.

[Skittles!]

Anyone thought of creating a Flame Wars social group? There would be a separate forum for just those who belong to the group. That would probably be the easiest way to get the private forum you are looking for. To top it off, you wouldn't have to worry about moderators.

This has been attempted beforehand, but the new stance of "no flaming is tolerated anywhere on the site" has stopped it.