Killed personal hope for CC

[Fruitcake]

P.S. This is the 21st Century, and if you get offended by retard then you must be really sheltered.

.....and there are all manner of shelters...some for people in wheelchairs who wear slippers (but I am not sure of the slippers part is obligatory).

[stahrgazer]

You are turning this into a personal Issue. This is nothing more than how this site is run. They ask for help I will nominate someone I feel is capable of helping. Is change needed? Sure always is. When is it not needed? Nothing is perfect, but either you like how this site is run or not. Nobody is forcing you to stay. You stormed out some months back after being called a "retard" since the mods / admins did nothing about it. Move on from your admin spill already. The record broke long ago.

P.S. This is the 21st Century, and if you get offended by retard then you must be really sheltered.

No, Brucie, babes, you're turning it into a personal issue.

If you like how the site is run, then change isn't needed. If you don't like how the site is run in some areas, then change is needed. Who better than to effect changes than those who do recognize areas where the site could be improved? That's not those persons who're saying, "this is how it is;" people who can make changes are those who can stand up and say, "This is how it is, but isn't how it SHOULD be."

And no, the 'retard' thing was not the last straw - although, having cared for a kid with Downs Syndrome, I happen to know is a flame which is protected by various anti-bigotry (against handicapped/challenged persons) and as such, should have been addressed. It ties into what was my last straw, but in and of itself, wasn't my last straw. What was my last straw is somewhat mitigated by what I show in my first post... which, if you can read and interpret what you read, COMPLIMENTS, not flames, the mod in question (and at the time, this thread was called NEW personal hope...). You see, that particular mod was mature enough to realize some severe errors in refusal to address various situations had been made, and to apologize for those errors.

I did leave. I returned because several friends asked me to return - in part, to voice what needs changed here. I'm vocal about what changes are needed because a few people have asked. Some people might be bullied by posts like yours into shutting up and leaving rather than stay and working for something better. Something better that might have dissuaded the mod who felt a great need to apologize for not doing things the "better" way.

To paraphrase you, "move on from your anti protest-for-the-changes-CC-needs spill, your record broke a long time ago."

P.S. This is the 21st Century, and if you get offended by retard then you must be really sheltered.

p.s. That's baiting, and as such, does not comply with site guidelines for posts.

[slowreactor]

Can everyone just SHUT UP and THINK ABOUT THIS? stahrgazer, I understand how you feel about the mods., but here's the problem. When DM was banned, a lot of people were vocal about it, maybe TOO vocal about it. This resulted in a lot of flaming, baiting, trolling, etc. all of which are bannable offenses. As a result, the mods HAD to start issuing out vacations (They are only following orders). As a result of more bans, more people became vocal about this, resulting in a vicious cycle. So you can't blame the mods for becoming stricter without also blaming the people for becoming meaner.

Also, I understand you have some issues with the mods and pets. Here's the thing: MODS ARE HUMANS TOO. You did mention a mod who apologized for picking favorites, but you said that one mod does not represent the entire mod community. Think of it this way: Just as one GOOD mod doesn't represent an entire community, so one BAD mod doesn't either. Overall, the mod system is great. If you have any problems with any specific mods, take it up with them.

Slow

[Serbia]

This thread is useless without identities. Without them, it's an exercise in fiction.

[AAFitz]

This thread is useless without identities. Without them, it's an exercise in fiction.

More of a parable than pure fiction. We are meant to learn through the story, not the exact details.

[GENERAL STONEHAM]

Can everyone just SHUT UP and THINK ABOUT THIS? stahrgazer, I understand how you feel about the mods., but here's the problem. When DM was banned, a lot of people were vocal about it, maybe TOO vocal about it. This resulted in a lot of flaming, baiting, trolling, etc. all of which are bannable offenses. As a result, the mods HAD to start issuing out vacations (They are only following orders). As a result of more bans, more people became vocal about this, resulting in a vicious cycle. So you can't blame the mods for becoming stricter without also blaming the people for becoming meaner.

Also, I understand you have some issues with the mods and pets. Here's the thing: MODS ARE HUMANS TOO. You did mention a mod who apologized for picking favorites, but you said that one mod does not represent the entire mod community. Think of it this way: Just as one GOOD mod doesn't represent an entire community, so one BAD mod doesn't either. Overall, the mod system is great. If you have any problems with any specific mods, take it up with them.

Slow

(They are only following orders).


Yes, the Moderators were just following orders. I heard the same argument at the Nuremburg Trials.

Regards,
General Stoneham

[slowreactor]

Can everyone just SHUT UP and THINK ABOUT THIS? stahrgazer, I understand how you feel about the mods., but here's the problem. When DM was banned, a lot of people were vocal about it, maybe TOO vocal about it. This resulted in a lot of flaming, baiting, trolling, etc. all of which are bannable offenses. As a result, the mods HAD to start issuing out vacations (They are only following orders). As a result of more bans, more people became vocal about this, resulting in a vicious cycle. So you can't blame the mods for becoming stricter without also blaming the people for becoming meaner.

Also, I understand you have some issues with the mods and pets. Here's the thing: MODS ARE HUMANS TOO. You did mention a mod who apologized for picking favorites, but you said that one mod does not represent the entire mod community. Think of it this way: Just as one GOOD mod doesn't represent an entire community, so one BAD mod doesn't either. Overall, the mod system is great. If you have any problems with any specific mods, take it up with them.

Slow

(They are only following orders).


Yes, the Moderators were just following orders. I heard the same argument at the Nuremburg Trials.

Regards,
General Stoneham

So, by your logic, the U.S. government shouldn't do anything if they have a full-scale riot on their hands. They should just cave and give in to the demands of the rioters, even if that may be to make murder legal.

[owenshooter]

So, by your logic, the U.S. government shouldn't do anything if they have a full-scale riot on their hands. They should just cave and give in to the demands of the rioters, even if that may be to make murder legal.

as long as no black people are hurt in the process, i full heartedly support this idea...-0

[slowreactor]

So, by your logic, the U.S. government shouldn't do anything if they have a full-scale riot on their hands. They should just cave and give in to the demands of the rioters, even if that may be to make murder legal.

as long as no black people are hurt in the process, i full heartedly support this idea...-0

Oh, and while you're at it, why not kick our entire government out the window and have a full-blown anarchy?

[owenshooter]

So, by your logic, the U.S. government shouldn't do anything if they have a full-scale riot on their hands. They should just cave and give in to the demands of the rioters, even if that may be to make murder legal.

as long as no black people are hurt in the process, i full heartedly support this idea...-0

Oh, and while you're at it, why not kick our entire government out the window and have a full-blown anarchy?

can you take your conspiracy chat to off topics? you are taking this thread off topic, which is against forum rules. thank you.-0

[slowreactor]

So, by your logic, the U.S. government shouldn't do anything if they have a full-scale riot on their hands. They should just cave and give in to the demands of the rioters, even if that may be to make murder legal.

as long as no black people are hurt in the process, i full heartedly support this idea...-0

Oh, and while you're at it, why not kick our entire government out the window and have a full-blown anarchy?

can you take your conspiracy chat to off topics? you are taking this thread off topic, which is against forum rules. thank you.-0

Off-topic? Conspiracy? I am only trying to make a point here, that the government is ACTUALLY NEEDED. I have seen quite a few forums fall apart because of lack of moderation, resulting in senseless chatter and an abundance of male-enlargement pill ads. I've also seen a lot that are actually quite lively, in part because of atmosphere that the mods help create. I'm not supporting a totalitarian dictatorship here, and I'm not saying that the mods are perfect, but I'm saying that you should at least think about all the crap that they have to put up with and just how hard it is to do their jobs.

[whitestazn88]

So, by your logic, the U.S. government shouldn't do anything if they have a full-scale riot on their hands. They should just cave and give in to the demands of the rioters, even if that may be to make murder legal.

as long as no black people are hurt in the process, i full heartedly support this idea...-0

Oh, and while you're at it, why not kick our entire government out the window and have a full-blown anarchy?

can you take your conspiracy chat to off topics? you are taking this thread off topic, which is against forum rules. thank you.-0

Off-topic? Conspiracy? I am only trying to make a point here, that the government is ACTUALLY NEEDED. I have seen quite a few forums fall apart because of lack of moderation, resulting in senseless chatter and an abundance of male-enlargement pill ads. I've also seen a lot that are actually quite lively, in part because of atmosphere that the mods help create. I'm not supporting a totalitarian dictatorship here, and I'm not saying that the mods are perfect, but I'm saying that you should at least think about all the crap that they have to put up with and just how hard it is to do their jobs.

if the government sucks dick, we're allowed to go wild and overthrow it. its in the constitution... maybe if you took a refresher course in us history/gov't, you wuoldn't sound so fucking dumb

[Bruceswar]

if the government sucks dick, we're allowed to go wild and overthrow it. its in the constitution... maybe if you took a refresher course in us history/gov't, you wuoldn't sound so fucking dumb

But this is not the government, this is not the USA, no such documents exist. This is a private run business. As we say in our shop. "This is not Burger King... You do not get it your way, you get it my way or you don't get the son of a B*tch!" Yeah sure we are civil about things, but we are not going to let our customers walk over us. We draw the line in the sand and stand firm to it.

[Bruceswar]

You are turning this into a personal Issue. This is nothing more than how this site is run. They ask for help I will nominate someone I feel is capable of helping. Is change needed? Sure always is. When is it not needed? Nothing is perfect, but either you like how this site is run or not. Nobody is forcing you to stay. You stormed out some months back after being called a "retard" since the mods / admins did nothing about it. Move on from your admin spill already. The record broke long ago.

P.S. This is the 21st Century, and if you get offended by retard then you must be really sheltered.

No, Brucie, babes, you're turning it into a personal issue.

Sorry long gone on that issue. You turned it personal when you went to Lack and cried how unfairly you were treated and forced him to give your premium away. People like you are bad for business, and if I was Lack, I would have banned you already. People who complain, whine, piss and moan, when everything does not go their way are people I do not want in my shop. Business is a give and take relationship.

If you like how the site is run, then change isn't needed. If you don't like how the site is run in some areas, then change is needed. Who better than to effect changes than those who do recognize areas where the site could be improved? That's not those persons who're saying, "this is how it is;" people who can make changes are those who can stand up and say, "This is how it is, but isn't how it SHOULD be."

There is a right way and a wrong way to go about getting change done. Wrong is to come screaming in the room like a kid and pick your toys up and demand things change or else you will leave. The right way is to be civil about things and look at what has happened to get to this point. In your case you made a play than was less than good. In fact downright terrible. Yes I have seen the game, log, and the numbers from it. You play made zero sense and you got called out for it, just like you should have been. Move on already and fight another battle.

And no, the 'retard' thing was not the last straw - although, having cared for a kid with Downs Syndrome, I happen to know is a flame which is protected by various anti-bigotry (against handicapped/challenged persons) and as such, should have been addressed. It ties into what was my last straw, but in and of itself, wasn't my last straw. What was my last straw is somewhat mitigated by what I show in my first post... which, if you can read and interpret what you read, COMPLIMENTS, not flames, the mod in question (and at the time, this thread was called NEW personal hope...). You see, that particular mod was mature enough to realize some severe errors in refusal to address various situations had been made, and to apologize for those errors.

Really if it was not the last straw, why did you come crying in the forums and live chat then storm out. Everybody has been around kids who have mental issues at times, and the term many use is "retarded" as in "Mentally retarded" For that play you were indeed "mentally retarded" or a "retard". It was a bad play and you just need to suck it up, admit you are sorry for making it and move on. You F*ed up the game, so next time learn from your mistakes. Yes you were in the wrong...

I did leave. I returned because several friends asked me to return - in part, to voice what needs changed here. I'm vocal about what changes are needed because a few people have asked. Some people might be bullied by posts like yours into shutting up and leaving rather than stay and working for something better. Something better that might have dissuaded the mod who felt a great need to apologize for not doing things the "better" way.

Great so you came back to cause shit and stir the pot. Congrats, you must be so proud of yourself! No really coming back to somewhere you do not like, because some "friends" ask you to is never a good idea. Yeah let me go back to that party where I am not really liked, and or I do not really like it. Makes total sense. Chances are this party is gonna suck and you will storm out again or catch an ass beating. In CC terms, get banned like FredVIII.

To paraphrase you, "move on from your anti protest-for-the-changes-CC-needs spill, your record broke a long time ago."

Nope you missed my point totally, but nice try at shoving words into my mouth. You have a vendetta with the mods, as shown by your many post on this topic. LET IT GO! You got called a moron, for a dumb play. Move on already!

P.S. This is the 21st Century, and if you get offended by retard then you must be really sheltered.

p.s. That's baiting, and as such, does not comply with site guidelines for posts.

This is not baiting. This is fact! This is not against post guidelines either. Stop trying to make a scene out of the mods.

[khazalid]

this is amazing. .. ...

[stahrgazer]

Business is a give and take relationship.

Yes, it is. Remember that.

The rest of what you said is partly misleading, nearly all baiting, and contains a bit of flaming.

Plus, your idea that anyone should be banned for making CORRECT complaints is an intriguing idea; one that a few on this site think is more wrongful and bad for business than trying to get improper practices corrected.

Finally, your information about another dispute about site justice has nothing to do with my original post or my concern with Andy's reponse to pm's about it. As a reminder, I'll post the original post, where I am complimenting a mod for admitting gross error.

Since several have noted that I've been QUITE verbal about my discontent with CC moderator practices, I'll try to be pretty verbal about this:

I have info that gives me a new hope for this site's moderator maturity. I'll post parts of the livechat:

11/08/2009 20:32:37 ‹mod› you may not accept it...but
11/08/2009 20:32:55 ‹mod› I am appologizing because of my behaviour where -censored- was concerned
11/08/2009 20:33:19 ‹mod› I realized after a bit that -censored- was indeed a bad person and I am sorry for the way I treated you
11/08/2009 20:33:23 * mod quit
11/08/2009 20:33:38 ‹stahrgazer› thank you
11/08/2009 20:35:05 ‹mod› anyway just wanted to say sorry
11/08/2009 20:35:13 ‹stahrgazer› thank you. i'm shocked
11/08/2009 20:35:19 ‹stahrgazer› but it gives me hope for this site
11/08/2009 20:35:24 ‹stahrgazer› any person can make errors
11/08/2009 20:35:45 ‹stahrgazer› my problem was i was seeing a trend of moderator favoritism; that stuff was a big but not ONLY part of what i was seeing
11/08/2009 20:36:15 ‹mod› yes..well he anyway it isnt important..point is I see how wrong I was to protect -censored- for what he did
11/08/2009 20:38:27 ‹stahrgazer› my point is always
11/08/2009 20:38:37 ‹stahrgazer› if mods addressed the stuff when it happens, EVEN if they like the ppl
11/08/2009 20:38:42 ‹stahrgazer› it'd be less
11/08/2009 20:38:48 ‹stahrgazer› it wouldn't go on for months and months
11/08/2009 20:38:57 ‹mod› ya i know
11/08/2009 20:42:31 ‹mod› anyway thanks for accepting my appology..at least I think you did?

It takes a mature person to admit a wrong, so this apology really does give me new hope for CC. I may even consider purchasing premium and getting involved in tournaments again.

[whitestazn88]

if the government sucks dick, we're allowed to go wild and overthrow it. its in the constitution... maybe if you took a refresher course in us history/gov't, you wuoldn't sound so fucking dumb

But this is not the government, this is not the USA, no such documents exist. This is a private run business. As we say in our shop. "This is not Burger King... You do not get it your way, you get it my way or you don't get the son of a B*tch!" Yeah sure we are civil about things, but we are not going to let our customers walk over us. We draw the line in the sand and stand firm to it.

i only said that because he made the connection to people "rioting" etc against the cc higher ups as if it were a government.

[4myGod]

Can everyone just SHUT UP and THINK ABOUT THIS? stahrgazer, I understand how you feel about the mods., but here's the problem. When DM was banned, a lot of people were vocal about it, maybe TOO vocal about it. This resulted in a lot of flaming, baiting, trolling, etc. all of which are bannable offenses. As a result, the mods HAD to start issuing out vacations (They are only following orders). As a result of more bans, more people became vocal about this, resulting in a vicious cycle. So you can't blame the mods for becoming stricter without also blaming the people for becoming meaner.

Also, I understand you have some issues with the mods and pets. Here's the thing: MODS ARE HUMANS TOO. You did mention a mod who apologized for picking favorites, but you said that one mod does not represent the entire mod community. Think of it this way: Just as one GOOD mod doesn't represent an entire community, so one BAD mod doesn't either. Overall, the mod system is great. If you have any problems with any specific mods, take it up with them.

Slow

(They are only following orders).


Yes, the Moderators were just following orders. I heard the same argument at the Nuremburg Trials.

Regards,
General Stoneham

So, by your logic, the U.S. government shouldn't do anything if they have a full-scale riot on their hands. They should just cave and give in to the demands of the rioters, even if that may be to make murder legal.

If we are going to compare this to the U.S. Government...

The U.S. Government has laws stating that if you receive 6 parking tickets or speeding tickets (added together), you receive life in jail. Many people now have already received life in jail because of this. So now a lot of friends and family are pissed at the government and want them to change the punishments, both constructively and non constructively voice there complaints. The government admits that it is a bit harsh and decides to lower it slightly, now the public complains that it isn't low enough and they demand previous offenders be re-sentenced with the slightly shorter terms now in place.

As far as the rioting. Supposedly they were breaking the rules, but everyone was always breaking the rules. So that would be as if everyone was already breaking the law... let's say breaking car windows (flaming). People were doing it daily, as were these new protestors of the governments policies... however the government doesn't punish the people not protesting, they only punish the people protesting who are breaking the windows (flaming).

Yes, what the protestors are doing is unlawful and wrong, breaking all these windows, however the problem is others are breaking windows also just like the protesters and getting away with it.

If your friend hits you and then you hit him and the teacher saw both but only punishes you, don't you think you would feel a bit ripped off? Yeah you know you were doing something wrong, but why did only you get punished?

[slowreactor]

Can everyone just SHUT UP and THINK ABOUT THIS? stahrgazer, I understand how you feel about the mods., but here's the problem. When DM was banned, a lot of people were vocal about it, maybe TOO vocal about it. This resulted in a lot of flaming, baiting, trolling, etc. all of which are bannable offenses. As a result, the mods HAD to start issuing out vacations (They are only following orders). As a result of more bans, more people became vocal about this, resulting in a vicious cycle. So you can't blame the mods for becoming stricter without also blaming the people for becoming meaner.

Also, I understand you have some issues with the mods and pets. Here's the thing: MODS ARE HUMANS TOO. You did mention a mod who apologized for picking favorites, but you said that one mod does not represent the entire mod community. Think of it this way: Just as one GOOD mod doesn't represent an entire community, so one BAD mod doesn't either. Overall, the mod system is great. If you have any problems with any specific mods, take it up with them.

Slow

(They are only following orders).


Yes, the Moderators were just following orders. I heard the same argument at the Nuremburg Trials.

Regards,
General Stoneham

So, by your logic, the U.S. government shouldn't do anything if they have a full-scale riot on their hands. They should just cave and give in to the demands of the rioters, even if that may be to make murder legal.

If we are going to compare this to the U.S. Government...

The U.S. Government has laws stating that if you receive 6 parking tickets or speeding tickets (added together), you receive life in jail. Many people now have already received life in jail because of this. So now a lot of friends and family are pissed at the government and want them to change the punishments, both constructively and non constructively voice there complaints. The government admits that it is a bit harsh and decides to lower it slightly, now the public complains that it isn't low enough and they demand previous offenders be re-sentenced with the slightly shorter terms now in place.

As far as the rioting. Supposedly they were breaking the rules, but everyone was always breaking the rules. So that would be as if everyone was already breaking the law... let's say breaking car windows (flaming). People were doing it daily, as were these new protestors of the governments policies... however the government doesn't punish the people not protesting, they only punish the people protesting who are breaking the windows (flaming).

Yes, what the protestors are doing is unlawful and wrong, breaking all these windows, however the problem is others are breaking windows also just like the protesters and getting away with it.

If your friend hits you and then you hit him and the teacher saw both but only punishes you, don't you think you would feel a bit ripped off? Yeah you know you were doing something wrong, but why did only you get punished?

4myGod, I was not responding to the escalating punishments scale. I was responding to the fact that people were bitching about how bad of a job the mods were doing.

however the government doesn't punish the people not protesting, they only punish the people protesting who are breaking the windows (flaming).

That's the whole point. You can protest if you want, but don't break any rules. Haven't you heard of PEACEFUL PROTEST?

Yes, what the protestors are doing is unlawful and wrong, breaking all these windows, however the problem is others are breaking windows also just like the protesters and getting away with it.

Give me an example.

If your friend hits you and then you hit him and the teacher saw both but only punishes you, don't you think you would feel a bit ripped off? Yeah you know you were doing something wrong, but why did only you get punished?

Hmm... Have you ever thought of the fact that maybe you were a repeat offender and your friend was only a first-time offender?

[4myGod]

4myGod, I was not responding to the escalating punishments scale. I was responding to the fact that people were bitching about how bad of a job the mods were doing.

however the government doesn't punish the people not protesting, they only punish the people protesting who are breaking the windows (flaming).

That's the whole point. You can protest if you want, but don't break any rules. Haven't you heard of PEACEFUL PROTEST?

Yes, what the protestors are doing is unlawful and wrong, breaking all these windows, however the problem is others are breaking windows also just like the protesters and getting away with it.

Give me an example.

If your friend hits you and then you hit him and the teacher saw both but only punishes you, don't you think you would feel a bit ripped off? Yeah you know you were doing something wrong, but why did only you get punished?

Hmm... Have you ever thought of the fact that maybe you were a repeat offender and your friend was only a first-time offender?

There was a post where someone claimed to have been banned for posting a picture of david, the naked statue. So someone posted how that was necessary and a clear violation of the rules, I posted 3 other items that were a clear violation of the same rules. Here is my reply with theirs in quotes:
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=94058&start=15#p2156598

Now, it is not hard for us all to find off-topic posts, flames, baiting, etc. I have reported maybe 5 of them, all of them were closed. Repeat offenders get higher levels of punishments because the scale is escalating. According to those rules though, if they were accused of breaking the rules the sexual image/text would be removed. In all of those instances it was not, showing that nothing happened.

As I said, not everyone in the protest is doing what we might consider "wrong", however everyone on the site is breaking the rules, me, you, all of the protestors, all of the admin lovers... everyone, IF they want us to be. The rules are so general that you can fit a ton of posts into those categories and thus ban anyone you want. Off-topic... baiting... flaming... I see what I think are obvious flames daily and nothing happens to those people, then I look over at some protesters who aren't even flaming but just arguing with mods/admins or questioning them and they get banned. Then again some protesters are flaming and getting banned, but their flames are no worse than the flames users give to other users daily. The only difference is these are at mods/admins.

[slowreactor]

Then again some protesters are flaming and getting banned, but their flames are no worse than the flames users give to other users daily. The only difference is these are at mods/admins.

Let me use an analogy of shooting a homeless person vs. shooting the president of the United States. Sure, it may be the same crime, but which one will get more attention? Which one will have a more severe punishment?

[squishyg]

Then again some protesters are flaming and getting banned, but their flames are no worse than the flames users give to other users daily. The only difference is these are at mods/admins.

Let me use an analogy of shooting a homeless person vs. shooting the president of the United States. Sure, it may be the same crime, but which one will get more attention? Which one will have a more severe punishment?

I think your example proves 4myGod's point. There shouldn't be a double standard. Murdering a homeless person is just as vile as murdering the President.

[slowreactor]

Then again some protesters are flaming and getting banned, but their flames are no worse than the flames users give to other users daily. The only difference is these are at mods/admins.

Let me use an analogy of shooting a homeless person vs. shooting the president of the United States. Sure, it may be the same crime, but which one will get more attention? Which one will have a more severe punishment?

I think your example proves 4myGod's point. There shouldn't be a double standard. Murdering a homeless person is just as vile as murdering the President.

Maybe there shouldn't be a double standard, and I'm not arguing either way, but there is one, and that fact will never change. Seriously, if, say, KA were to retire right now, and another person who played 2 games decide he doesn't want to play anymore at the same time, which one would more people know about?

[stahrgazer]

Can everyone just SHUT UP and THINK ABOUT THIS? Also, I understand you have some issues with the mods and pets. Here's the thing: MODS ARE HUMANS TOO. You did mention a mod who apologized for picking favorites, but you said that one mod does not represent the entire mod community.
Slow

Mods are human, and because mods are human, CC admin should do what they can to minimize the possibility that a mods' "humanity" results in extreme favoritism.

Little things happen every day. What happened months back happened over an extended period and increased when I tried to get it addressed, extending to others who weren't even involved - much as you're seeing happening with the thread now.

Look around these forums; you'll see plenty of instances where people are complaining about favoritism. You may take the stance - as people did with me - that all those people must be wrong; must have been doing something to cause it.

In the months-long instance this mod is apologizing for, I'd simply got tired of some continual harassment I was getting for a few weeks and began retorting. When I began retorting, I was getting "disciplined" but the instigator never was. I commented about that one day, about that favoritism, and man, you'd have thought the heavens came down on me - again, you're seeing some of it, still, in this thread. After that, warnings were issued to all, which I heeded, and the 'pets" did not; the mods did not follow through with the warnings.

Oh, there were those who thought I should just ignore - mainly people who only saw a snippet here and there. There were those who thought I shouldn't complain about a mod or mods, ever, because I was complaining about popular mods. Heck, I was complaining about a mod that I otherwise liked. Instead of people (members, mods, admin) taking a look at the history of how this b.s. had started, I got the "HOW DARE YOU COMPLAIN ABOUT POPULAR VOLUNTEERS" messages - only, worse - for having made the statement.

There were those who thought I was making up how bad it was.

I do not believe in any conspiracy theories. If it happened to me, it could have happened, be happening, or has the potential to happen to others. Perhaps some of those who're now banned or getting uppity in forums and complaining about mods didn't start out that way.

Regardless what others, who only saw snippets, witnessed, what I experienced was bad enough, though, that the main "pet-saving" mod has apologized. I thought, wow, with this apology, admin can see that a situation really did get bad enough; a mod has admitted to it. Am I after the mod's head? Nope. I complimented the mod. The original title of this thread was "New personal hope for CC."

Bruce, Tish, others... who think no one should complain so publicly about a team of volunteers... At one time, I would've agreed with you about posts I'm making. But consider, if something like what happened to me over a 4-5 month period ever happened to you, you might think changes in that area are needed, too, and use every means you had to make people aware.

I thought, with this admission, admin would be able to see that stuff like this shouldn't happen. But for that, something must change. The same rules that applied then apply now; admin hasn't done anything to curb something like this happening to others in the future. There are still instances where one guy gets rapped for something, another guy gets a bye on it.

So, I contacted Andy, with a evidence that some of those previously-protected pets had started it up again, just this week; and with a copy of that mod's apology, also received this week. Evidence, I thought, that it not only can occur here, it did, despite all those people who thought I was just imagining how bad it was, or didn't care, because it was happening to me not them.

I thought Andy's response would be something like, "I'm sorry this happened. Team CC will be looking at ways to prevent this from occurring to others. Thanks for the information."
His response was more like the same, tired, disrespectful, "ignore it and move on, or leave," so I changed the title of my thread to "killed personal hope."

Mods need leeway; no rules changes should ever bind their hands to the point that they cannot exercise judgement. This escalating penalty system for minor annoyances may, however, be so harsh, that they do not wish to invoke it for some of their friends who get a bit testy at times; understandable. Why would they want a generally-good bloke banned for a few mistakes? So, instead, they do nothing. Sometimes 'nothing' works. For others, 'nothing' leads to ongoing nasties; sometimes those ongoing nasties cause other generally-good blokes to become disenchanted with this site. If disciplines for minor rules-breaking remained minor rather than major; if more things were 'warned' but warnings did not have to lead to banning; maybe more mods would use warnings even against friends.

Maybe. That might not be the answer. But as I've said, if what I know happened to me, and what a particular mod knows was done to me, unaddressed, was severe enough that the mod felt need to apologize for it all these months later, then doing something to prevent it for future seems better than the same tired tactic of, "ignore it or leave." I think more needs to be done than just these member attempts to shut me up about something that DID occur, WAS extreme, and SHOULD be stopped from happening to others.

To be clear, to the mod: I do appreciate the apology, and I do accept it. I think you might even have some ideas about what changes could be made that would prevent anyone doing a little too much abuse of authority, as you now recognize you did. This is no attempt to hang you out to dry; I didn't attempt that back then and have no reason to attempt it now.

[Bruceswar]

Really there is no point in arguing with you because you are the sorta person who is gonna bitch till the sun comes up... then bitch that it came up

Seriously let it go and stop trying to beat that dead horse