Did DLPP and Exictium merge?

[slowreactor]

I was looking at DLPP's roster when I realized that it was twice the size it was a few days ago. Looking closer, I noticed that there were quite a few people from Exictium from it. When I looked at some of those individual members, they were in both DLPP AND exictium. Then, I went to Exictium's user page, and it said they turned social. So my question is, are DLPP and exictium one clan now?

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[the.killing.44]

Yes they did.

[Kotaro]

I know for a FACT that you did not ask laxguy if he wanted to join DLPP. If he is not removed, and quite quickly, we will be raising hell with the Admins.

[slowreactor]

I know for a FACT that you did not ask laxguy if he wanted to join DLPP. If he is not removed, and quite quickly, we will be raising hell with the Admins.

I think this might be a survival tactic agreed on by the leaders, and apparently Exictium's leaders didn't consult any of its members about this...

[jpcloet]

You cannot add a player to a roster without their direct consent.

Exictium has pulled out of the league and several clans are picking up the players.

[Kotaro]

You cannot add a player to a roster without their direct consent.

Exictium has pulled out of the league and several clans are picking up the players.

And based on past rulings, this 1 offense should immediately ban whoever did it, probably killing.44, from ever leading usergroups again, or else the TeamCC is abusing its powers and using favoritism.

[the.killing.44]

You cannot add a player to a roster without their direct consent.

Exictium has pulled out of the league and several clans are picking up the players.

And based on past rulings, this 1 offense should immediately ban whoever did it, probably killing.44, from ever leading usergroups again, or else the TeamCC is abusing its powers and using favoritism.

Lol, I dropped out of DLPP 2 days ago. jdw35 did it, probably discussing the merge with jammy and using the merge as a blanket move to add all of Exictium, sans those who said they didn't want in the move. I'll get jdw to remove him.

[jdw35]

Done. and kotaro, stay out of it, let the people who are in charge deal with it

[Kotaro]

Done. and kotaro, stay out of it, let the people who are in charge deal with it

Adding users without consent is directly against the guidelines. If your leadership is not removed, I demand mine to be reinstated, as we have commited the same offense, and your punishment should be no more leniant then mine.

[jdw35]

When I talked to jammyjames about the merge he said that laxguy was included. and also kotaro your abuse was a bit more severe than this one, if it's "abuse"

[lord voldemort]

I think this might be slightly different. This was a clan merge, from what I have gathered discussed by the leaders of the clan. It wasnt mass adding 100s of people to a usergroup they didnt apply for. IMO from how I see it if you dont have confidence in the leader of your clan to do whats in the best interests for the clan then why would you be there??

[Kotaro]

Forcing someone into a usergroup without asking their consent is abuse. Since I had already talked to laxguy directly via our Facebookz, and he was ditching Ex with me, I know he would not have agreed to DLPP without talking to me. I also know no one but jammy was asked if this move was okay.

And abuse is abuse. If there is 0 tolerance, there is no room for "not as bad".

@ Lord V (whom sniped me, and why I'm not quoting) - If that is a fact, then I can say that I was in the confidence of the 1,000 people I added to my group, and therefore did not need to ask their permission, as I knew what was in their best interets.

See how bullshit that is? No one can make a decision to add you to a clan without speaking to them.

[Kotaro]

Oh, and to say he is exempt from abuse because he removed them later, is not a valid excuse. Again, using the precedent of my situation, I added approximetely 34 pages of users at random to my group. However, 2 hours later, I had gotten rid of random users (it was like a game to me, "haha, kick you out, random bitch!"), and knocked it down to 10 pages of users (ish), which is 3 more then was in it when I started.

He abused his powers and added users without their direct consent. jammyjames cannot give consent for them.

[jpcloet]

Well, if it is as bad as what Kotaro did, then I expect to see a C&A thread then from at least one of their members. If the 10 or so members can sort this out in the next day or so without getting admin involved in this issue, then we'll consider it resolved.

This in confidence thing is not valid. There should be a confirm add from the players side, which is not built into the site.

Kotaro, you are assuming his intent was abuse. This appears to be a misunderstanding more than an abuse. You are not comparing apples and oranges here.

[lord voldemort]

Forcing someone into a usergroup without asking their consent is abuse. Since I had already talked to laxguy directly via our Facebookz, and he was ditching Ex with me, I know he would not have agreed to DLPP without talking to me. I also know no one but jammy was asked if this move was okay.

And abuse is abuse. If there is 0 tolerance, there is no room for "not as bad".

@ Lord V (whom sniped me, and why I'm not quoting) - If that is a fact, then I can say that I was in the confidence of the 1,000 people I added to my group, and therefore did not need to ask their permission, as I knew what was in their best interets.

See how bullshit that is? No one can make a decision to add you to a clan without speaking to them.

But you didn't have the confidence of the 1000 users. The people who were in Ext had a clan leader make a decision for them. Not all clans are a democracy and some leaders dont run them well including all members in decisions.

[mibi]

next week on... As The Clan Turns...

[owenshooter]

just got this in my box... i think it pretty much sums it up pretty well...

Gee. Who woulda thunk that there would be trouble surrounding Lanyards' clan.

i don't think you can be so dismissive of kotaro and his claims. he has many valid points, and they should be addressed. the measuring stick should not be however many C&A threads are started about it, that is not the measuring stick on CC for what is right and wrong. something does not need to show up in C&A before it can be ruled upon or before it is deemed a violation of the rules. it doesn't matter what the intent was, a rule was broken. a rule that was recently ruled upon and made crystal clear. this should be looked at, and not by friends of the accused. i know people make mistakes and i respect and speak with most of the members involved, but i realize kotaro does have a point.-0

[obliterationX]

I have joined DLPP, and yes, most of Exictium has merged with DLPP.

[Kotaro]

You're right Jp. It's not cheating if there's no C&A thread. Hell, I'm going to go conduct Secret Diplomacy, but if no one C&A threads it, it's obviously not cheating.

/sarcasm.

And I love how everyone's saying mine was worse because I did it to more people, yet my group was open, so people could leave, and I never defaulted it. Exictium made itself private, so you're not allowed to remove yourself, and DLPP set is as their default, so you couldn't leave that either.

Priceless.

[jdw35]

I did not ask jammy to merge, he came and asked me if that would be ok, he did not want to run his clan on his own anymore so he asked to merge, i agreed, and he said he had already talked with his clan about it.
Kotaro, before you come in here with your panties tied up in knots, get your facts straight, don't always be a hassle. im sure you have better things to do than to complain about something that does not even have an effect on you. It is obvious you have something against DLPP and some of its former members, thats fine, but keep it to yourself, no one wants to hear you complain about EVERYTHING.

[Kotaro]

You want some "straight facts"?

Fact - Jammyjames did not have the permission to consent for other users, whether or not he leads a Clan they are in.

Fact - Since Jammyjames did not have that permission, he could not give it to you, and therefore, no consent was given when you added these users to your new list, and I can assure you that not only 1, but 3 of these users do not want to be in your group. (I'm having them each submit an e-ticket for removal).

Fact - Ignorance does not get you around the rules. "I didn't know I couldn't have a multi" doesn't work, and neither does "jammyjames said I could".

Fact - Under not 1, but 2 precedents, adding anyone to a usergroup without their permission is a perma-ban from leading any clans.

[Incandenza]

Funny how the people that get smacked down for being twats become the biggest nanny-staters when someone else does something that even whiffs of controversy.

[Kotaro]

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[owenshooter]

thanks for that additional info Kotaro, THIS bolded portion alone should make it a punishable offense... this should be highlighted when/if you make a C&A, since that is the only way anything is considered a rule violation (sarcasm)... and it should be considered by any mod/admin that looks at this...-0

And I love how everyone's saying mine was worse because I did it to more people, yet my group was open, so people could leave, and I never defaulted it. Exictium made itself private, so you're not allowed to remove yourself, and DLPP set is as their default, so you couldn't leave that either.

[jpcloet]

If the Exictium players need to have a default removed, I had a trick that I can use. They can pm me if they need their default removed.