MAFIA - X-Men Legends [Game over -- Town wins!]

[sully800]

am i alowed to say what i think fircoal is ?????????

Well I don't see any way that keeping the info secret will give us an advantage over the mafia, and the info may be helpful in deciding the next step.

After all, now that puff has said he's the doctor it may be better for him to protect fircoal instead of you red bull. The only thing is, if fircoal has a crucial role the mafia will then know 3 key people to target. Puff can protect one but it won't last long, so we'd have to do pretty well with lynching over the next few days.

Anyway, I'm interested as to what role can be so important that you said the town needs him. I doubt its another cop, though another doctor would certainly be intriguing. Perhaps you should wait and see what some more experienced players like autoload think about you telling fircoal's role...the day is growing a bit long though so we don't have too much time to debate.

[red bull]

right now i think its best to keep fircoals role to my self im sorry just dont want mafia involved with this one

[Fircoal]

I haven't posted in a while because I haven't been on.

I hammered XenHu because I to because from reading the thread I believed he was mafia.

I did NOT try and get red bull to say he was a cop. If Fircoal is mafia and we lynch him then we know to lynch red bull the next day. If fircoal is pro-twon or has a power role and is with the town then I can assure you Redbull will not die! I am not saying that red bull and I are mafia I am saying that because I am the doc.

This way if my theory goes wrong and fircoal is pro-town I can protect redbull

Puff that post is very suspicious, first of all you repeat the obvious fact that already has been rejected. 2nd your claim sucks, and I don't believe you.

Vote: Puff

[Sam Jam]

okay, im here, i kinda-sorta forgot i was in mafia games so that's why i haven't been posting as of late. that shall come to a stop now. i will try to post as much as i can, but it still wont amount to much consedering i have school/homework/other all day. Lt.Mustard looks like he's been on the internet today (he took a turn two hours ago ) if he's not going to post he shouldn't play, ill give him about 1-2 hours to respond.
FOS: Lt.Mustard

[AndyDufresne]

Right now, I'd be willing to vote for any of the inactive members on the list. Otherwise, I'll have to take a closer look at things.


--Andy

[wicked]

Instead of giving up a potential townie whose lynch would tell us nothing, why don't we get a mod prod and possibly replace him?

[HoussamTheGreat]

right now i think its best to keep fircoals role to my self im sorry just dont want mafia involved with this one

Am I the only one who smells pardon the pun bull shit???

[Sam Jam]

i guess so

[Nyvek]

So far, its pretty much agreed that Puff claiming Doc this early was not a good idea. RB didn't help the situation either by his claim, but he was pressured a bit by Mach and others. Now RB has alleged that Fircole is important and could reveal if needed. Please do not do this. Roleclaiming does not help the town. If your at lynch -2 thats one thing, but just coming out after 1 vote makes no sense at all.
I agree all 3 have reasons to look suspicious right now. But, I'm definitely not going to risk a power role on a hunch, and give the mafia a free nightkill.

[Machiavelli]

Here is who I think are mafia

fircoal
Nyvek


Possibly- Redbull, depending on fircoal

vgmmasters and Senfive look a bit scummy too.



Nyvek, please tell me. What help does the town recieve from fircoal not claimig?

[Senfive]

Here is who I think are mafia

fircoal
Nyvek


Possibly- Redbull, depending on fircoal

vgmmasters and Senfive look a bit scummy too.



Nyvek, please tell me. What help does the town recieve from fircoal not claimig?

Notice how Mach totally didn't say anything about Puff and wants to find out what fircoals role is now. I know I did. Mach tell me how knowing Fircoal's role will help the townies after the cop and doc have already targetted themselves? What good will it be that the mafia know 3 of our key roles while we don't know who the mafia is besides you. Mach I have already been cleared so your constant nagging that I look scummy just makes yourself look all the more scummy.

UNvote puff

Vote Machiavelli

Tell me someone agrees with what I am seeing here.

[sully800]

Why does it matter if Fircoal's role is revealed? red bull already said many times that he has an important role and is essential to the town. That's what started this whole mess!

So yes, the mafia might not know his exact role but they know he's powerful (assuming Fircoal is in fact pro-town) and they would be just as willing to kill him at night anyway, I'm sure. On the other hand if Fircoal has a role that would be useful to the town, revealing his role might help formulate a plan as to how he can/should use it.

I can't say for sure since I have no clue what his role may be, but ever since red bull singled fircoal out as a very important townie he has been a target for the mafia, I would guess. So in that case, I don't think claiming his role will tell the mafia a whole lot more, but I could of course be wrong depending on what the role is...

[Fircoal]

I really don't know if I should reveal my role, but Sully brings up a good point.

[Marvaddin]

Surely. At this point, mafia already knows that he has an important role. Why shouldnt we all know? And why are red bull not wanting to say? This makes me suspect that both are mafia. And Puff revealing hes a doc because he got a vote, bah! In fact if red bull puff and fircoal are who they say, we are doomed... This "cop" brings suspicious on himself and fircoal because they were clearly connected on his posts. What the hell is fircoal? If he is a normal townie and Im the cop, I would let him die but wouldnt reveal myself... Now, if hes really someone we would need, red bull makes us the favour of expose himself and fircoal that way. And now Puff! I dont feel much hope for us in this game.

I dont really trust vgamaster, but I agree with this:

He only had one, maybe two votes against him, so there was no reason to make a roleclaim. That's why he appears suspicious.

Seriously, if we dont lynch puff, and hes not mafia... will mafia kill him? As mafia, I wouldnt kill him, and he would seem even more suspicious. I wouldnt like to trust him, or give him a confidence vote for an action stupid like that. I can maybe not vote for him now, but I wont trust him, unless red bull investigate him tonight.

I also want to say I agree with this one (Im NOT voting):

I am going to put in a

vote for dcowboy055

He has all of 3 or 4 posts in the thread and none of them have any substance. But he did have a chance to vote for Xenhu.

Makes me think he is mafia trying to fly under the radar.

cowboy is suspicious, and most inactive players are making me sick!

And FOS Senfive: mach is almost the single person I trust (in fact, he and red bull), and this because of that good SK deduction. Senfive, on other hand... is the unstable guy that was defending XenHu, accusing 4 people and voting no lynch. And now comes with this one.

[Machiavelli]

Notice how Mach totally didn't say anything about Puff

I dont think that puff is mafia, if he is he would not have roleclaimed after one vote.

and wants to find out what fircoals role is now. I know I did. Mach tell me how knowing Fircoal's role will help the townies after the cop and doc have already targetted themselves? What good will it be that the mafia know 3 of our key roles while we don't know who the mafia is besides you.

It helps the town for a couple of reasons.

First off, I think that fircoal is lying, so if it helps us catch him lying, that would be great. Also, I can not think of any role that a cop would sacrifice himself for, because a cop is the strongest player in the game. Third, the more information the town has, the better off they are.

You asking me the benefits, instead of explaining the cons, tells me that you cant think of any cons.

You answering at all, when the question was directed at Nyvek, show there to be some relationship between the two of you.

Mach I have already been cleared so your constant nagging that I look scummy just makes yourself look all the more scummy.

When were you cleared, I honestly dont remember that ever coming out.

UNvote puff

Vote Machiavelli

Tell me someone agrees with what I am seeing here.

I expected a bunch of retalitory votes. Mafia always seem to think that is the best defense.

[Senfive]

And FOS Senfive: mach is almost the single person I trust (in fact, he and red bull), and this because of that good SK deduction. Senfive, on other hand... is the unstable guy that was defending XenHu, accusing 4 people and voting no lynch. And now comes with this one.

Bla Bla Bla.....

Thats all I hear from every mafia person pointing a finger at me. When I accuse I have the proof in the form of quotes to back me up. What do you have? I defended Xenhu? Yeah. Was he mafia? No. How does that make me suspicious?

[Machiavelli]

Mach I have already been cleared so your constant nagging that I look scummy just makes yourself look all the more scummy.

When were you cleared, I honestly dont remember that ever coming out.

[Senfive]

Mach I have already been cleared so your constant nagging that I look scummy just makes yourself look all the more scummy.

When were you cleared, I honestly dont remember that ever coming out.

UNvote puff

Vote Machiavelli

Tell me someone agrees with what I am seeing here.

I expected a bunch of retalitory votes. Mafia always seem to think that is the best defense.

First its not a retalitory vote if you want to out another power role. Most of the townies I trust don't want this role revealed. Second if you don't bother reading all posts and see that at least one person caught my message I was sending that is your fault not mine.

[Machiavelli]

Mach I have already been cleared so your constant nagging that I look scummy just makes yourself look all the more scummy.

When were you cleared, I honestly dont remember that ever coming out.

UNvote puff

Vote Machiavelli

Tell me someone agrees with what I am seeing here.

I expected a bunch of retalitory votes. Mafia always seem to think that is the best defense.

First its not a retalitory vote if you want to out another power role. Most of the townies I trust don't want this role revealed. Second if you don't bother reading all posts and see that at least one person caught my message I was sending that is your fault not mine.

I'll pretend to believe that you are cleared.


I still dont understand why it is bad for fircoal to claim. I'm not saying that there isnt a good reason, but I havent heard one yet.

You'll need to give me a better answer than, "He said it, so it must be true"

[Machiavelli]

Mach I have already been cleared so your constant nagging that I look scummy just makes yourself look all the more scummy.

When were you cleared, I honestly dont remember that ever coming out.

UNvote puff

Vote Machiavelli

Tell me someone agrees with what I am seeing here.

I expected a bunch of retalitory votes. Mafia always seem to think that is the best defense.

First its not a retalitory vote if you want to out another power role. Most of the townies I trust don't want this role revealed. Second if you don't bother reading all posts and see that at least one person caught my message I was sending that is your fault not mine.

And it is a retalitory vote. Earlier, I had stated that I thought fircoal should claim, but it wasnt until I said that I thought you were mafia that I got the vote.

[Senfive]

I'll pretend to believe that you are cleared.


I still dont understand why it is bad for fircoal to claim. I'm not saying that there isnt a good reason, but I havent heard one yet.

You'll need to give me a better answer than, "He said it, so it must be true"

You think knowing what he is is going to help the town?

What good does letting the mafia know 3 of our power roles in one day while we have no real bead on a true mafia target? What would us townies be able to do to stop the Mafia/Sk from killing us townies if we knew? We have no way to make them save at night. You say that Puff can protect him but what about red bull the claimed cop? Puff can't save both people in one night and who is to protect Puff now? No one. Ther is no reason to know what his role is. It is better for no one to know then Everyone know. and give the mafia more info for their systematic killings. making our job of lynching them that much harder.

[Machiavelli]

I'll pretend to believe that you are cleared.


I still dont understand why it is bad for fircoal to claim. I'm not saying that there isnt a good reason, but I havent heard one yet.

You'll need to give me a better answer than, "He said it, so it must be true"

You think knowing what he is is going to help the town?

What good does letting the mafia know 3 of our power roles in one day while we have no real bead on a true mafia target? What would us townies be able to do to stop the Mafia/Sk from us townies if we knew? We have no way to make them save at night. You say that Puff can protect him but what about red bull the claimed cop? Puff can't save both people in one night and who is to protect Puff now? No one. Ther is no reason to know what his role is. It is better for no one to know then Everyone know. and give the mafia more info for their systematic s. making our job of lynching them that much harder.

Maybe you didnt see this.

and wants to find out what fircoals role is now. I know I did. Mach tell me how knowing Fircoal's role will help the townies after the cop and doc have already targetted themselves? What good will it be that the mafia know 3 of our key roles while we don't know who the mafia is besides you.

THERE ARE REASONS TO TELL WHAT HE IS!!!

[Machiavelli]

It helps the town for a couple of reasons.

First off, I think that fircoal is lying, so if it helps us catch him lying, that would be great. Also, I can not think of any role that a cop would sacrifice himself for, because a cop is the strongest player in the game. Third, the more information the town has, the better off they are.

You asking me the benefits, instead of explaining the cons, tells me that you cant think of any cons.

This is what that quote should have been.

[Machiavelli]

I'll pretend to believe that you are cleared.


I still dont understand why it is bad for fircoal to claim. I'm not saying that there isnt a good reason, but I havent heard one yet.

You'll need to give me a better answer than, "He said it, so it must be true"

You think knowing what he is is going to help the town?

What good does letting the mafia know 3 of our power roles in one day while we have no real bead on a true mafia target? What would us townies be able to do to stop the Mafia/Sk from us townies if we knew? We have no way to make them save at night. You say that Puff can protect him but what about red bull the claimed cop? Puff can't save both people in one night and who is to protect Puff now? No one. Ther is no reason to know what his role is. It is better for no one to know then Everyone know. and give the mafia more info for their systematic s. making our job of lynching them that much harder.

I cant believe you still think there is an SK!!!

[Machiavelli]

Senfive- tell me, what possible role could fircoal be?

The only roles worth a cop claiming for are a doctor or another cop.

Would it be so bad to know which one of these fircoal is?