Private Tournaments/Still Against the Rules?

by **owenshooter** on Sat Oct 17, 2009 1:42 am

Nightstrike, nice post!! however, what prohibits this from occurring? the mods are running one now and the entire Clan League is one big private tournament. i don't understand why this isn't possible logistically...-0

by **Night Strike** on Sat Oct 17, 2009 10:09 am

owenshooter wrote:Nightstrike, nice post!! however, what prohibits this from occurring? the mods are running one now and the entire Clan League is one big private tournament. i don't understand why this isn't possible logistically...-0

With the way the privileges and game finder are structured, there would have to be anywhere from 50-100 privileges to give out in order for each clan/usergroup to have privileges for within their group, as well as any that are needed for clan challenges. Under the current game finder, this would clog up the drop down menu that shows all the tournament games in the game finder. And that's assuming each group only gets permanent privileges once rather than for each time they run a tournament. There's also another issue with permanent privileges: it would allow freemiums in a clan/usergroup to make their own private games without having to pay for premium. Other logistics include that the current privileges have to link to a public thread, but that's not possible for in-clan tournaments.

My solution would be to have a separate privilege granter and game finder drop down that is labeled for clan games that the Clan Directors control. But I have no clue if lack wants to do this or find some other system.

by **Woodruff** on Sat Oct 17, 2009 10:36 am

stahrgazer wrote:Big differences...

In the military, they make CLEAR in the rulebooks, what the privileges are; and those things that are forbidden to any troops remain forbidden to military leaders.

No maam. If it is in the regulations, then it obviously doesn't fall under a "privilege". It is then a regulatory direction.

by **owenshooter** on Sat Oct 17, 2009 9:30 pm

Night Strike wrote:
owenshooter wrote:Nightstrike, nice post!! however, what prohibits this from occurring? the mods are running one now and the entire Clan League is one big private tournament. i don't understand why this isn't possible logistically...-0

With the way the privileges and game finder are structured, there would have to be anywhere from 50-100 privileges to give out in order for each clan/usergroup to have privileges for within their group, as well as any that are needed for clan challenges. Under the current game finder, this would clog up the drop down menu that shows all the tournament games in the game finder. And that's assuming each group only gets permanent privileges once rather than for each time they run a tournament. There's also another issue with permanent privileges: it would allow freemiums in a clan/usergroup to make their own private games without having to pay for premium. Other logistics include that the current privileges have to link to a public thread, but that's not possible for in-clan tournaments.

My solution would be to have a separate privilege granter and game finder drop down that is labeled for clan games that the Clan Directors control. But I have no clue if lack wants to do this or find some other system.

this is a great answer... better than the one lobbed out by an admin... however, it is still against the rules...-0

by **nietzsche** on Sat Oct 17, 2009 11:04 pm

CORRUPTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thats how it starts. If we dont stop em before you know they charge you 50 dls a year without asking you for your membership and you will only be allowed to take 10 turns per day!!

CORRUPTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by **targetman377** on Sat Oct 17, 2009 11:36 pm

owenshooter wrote:this is a great answer... better than the one lobbed out by an admin... however, it is still against the rules...-0

that is not the point IT IS HIS SITE HE CAN DO WHAT HE WANTS WITH IT. if lack and the admins are ok with it guess what they can do whatever they want they run/own this site and NOT u the rules are not the CONSTITUITON!!! i think that is what you are forgeting. this is there site and they can do what they want with it. dont like it leave.

by **owenshooter** on Sun Oct 18, 2009 5:25 pm

targetman377 wrote:
owenshooter wrote:this is a great answer... better than the one lobbed out by an admin... however, it is still against the rules...-0

that is not the point IT IS HIS SITE HE CAN DO WHAT HE WANTS WITH IT. if lack and the admins are ok with it guess what they can do whatever they want they run/own this site and NOT u the rules are not the CONSTITUITON!!! i think that is what you are forgeting. this is there site and they can do what they want with it. dont like it leave.

your recent campaign to become a mod is wonderful. however, you keep repeating yourself and are speaking for team CC in a manner in which you truly are not qualified to do. if this is the stance they are going to take or have taken, they should say so. prime was in here and did not state this dictatorial slant that you are continually cap locking at me. you have no counter argument other than this argument which the admins and mods posting in here have not stated. simply put, in clear small words that are easily understood. you are not a member of team CC and thus should stop speaking as if you are a member of team CC. your repeated statement is not only counter to what has been stated and explained by an admin and a few mods (great answer nightstrike), but would also be detrimental to the site if so stated... CC depends on paying customers and volunteers to run this site. if they took the obtuse stand that you are continually declaring, they would lose memberships, and thus money. targetman, you are not answering the question or furthering the thread along, so why don't you go get involved in a thread that you have the capacity to actually contribute something constructive instead playing mod within this one...-0

by **targetman377** on Sun Oct 18, 2009 7:44 pm

owenshooter wrote:
targetman377 wrote:
owenshooter wrote:this is a great answer... better than the one lobbed out by an admin... however, it is still against the rules...-0

that is not the point IT IS HIS SITE HE CAN DO WHAT HE WANTS WITH IT. if lack and the admins are ok with it guess what they can do whatever they want they run/own this site and NOT u the rules are not the CONSTITUITON!!! i think that is what you are forgeting. this is there site and they can do what they want with it. dont like it leave.

your recent campaign to become a mod is wonderful. however, you keep repeating yourself and are speaking for team CC in a manner in which you truly are not qualified to do. if this is the stance they are going to take or have taken, they should say so. prime was in here and did not state this dictatorial slant that you are continually cap locking at me. you have no counter argument other than this argument which the admins and mods posting in here have not stated. simply put, in clear small words that are easily understood. you are not a member of team CC and thus should stop speaking as if you are a member of team CC. your repeated statement is not only counter to what has been stated and explained by an admin and a few mods (great answer nightstrike), but would also be detrimental to the site if so stated... CC depends on paying customers and volunteers to run this site. if they took the obtuse stand that you are continually declaring, they would lose memberships, and thus money. targetman, you are not answering the question or furthering the thread along, so why don't you go get involved in a thread that you have the capacity to actually contribute something constructive instead playing mod within this one...-0

u r not a a team of cc either i have never claimed to be one also i would like to say i have never wanted to be an admin of this site or even a moderate you are wrong on all these accounts. and i do not speak for team cc anyone can see that seeing as how i do not have a color name. stop assuming things owen that is why you always think you can have it your way when are you going to stop assuming things.

by **owenshooter** on Mon Oct 19, 2009 6:41 pm

can you please stay on topic? if you have nothing of value to add, go troll another thread... thanks!!!-0

by **colton24** on Mon Oct 19, 2009 6:47 pm

The Fuzzy Pengui wrote:It's an exception to the rule because it's meant to be a team building exercise. Since we have so many new faces, what better way to get to know eachother and learn to work better as a team then to play games together as a team!

If I remember correctly I asked one of the TDs about having a private clan tournament and he said," No private tournaments. They must have 50% of the spots open to the public. NO EXCEPTIONS."

by **owenshooter** on Mon Oct 19, 2009 7:29 pm

colton24 wrote:
The Fuzzy Pengui wrote:It's an exception to the rule because it's meant to be a team building exercise. Since we have so many new faces, what better way to get to know eachother and learn to work better as a team then to play games together as a team!

If I remember correctly I asked one of the TDs about having a private clan tournament and he said," No private tournaments. They must have 50% of the spots open to the public. NO EXCEPTIONS."

welcome to the wonderful world of double standards within the rules...-0

by **targetman377** on Mon Oct 19, 2009 7:33 pm

owenshooter wrote:
colton24 wrote:
The Fuzzy Pengui wrote:It's an exception to the rule because it's meant to be a team building exercise. Since we have so many new faces, what better way to get to know eachother and learn to work better as a team then to play games together as a team!

If I remember correctly I asked one of the TDs about having a private clan tournament and he said," No private tournaments. They must have 50% of the spots open to the public. NO EXCEPTIONS."

welcome to the wonderful world of double standards within the rules...-0

with how much work they do i think that this is the least that they can have private tournaments after all they do a lot for us and everyone just complains about them i would just like to thank all mods and admins for there hard work and long hours that they do for this site. =D>

by **Woodruff** on Mon Oct 19, 2009 7:46 pm

owenshooter wrote:
colton24 wrote:
The Fuzzy Pengui wrote:It's an exception to the rule because it's meant to be a team building exercise. Since we have so many new faces, what better way to get to know eachother and learn to work better as a team then to play games together as a team!

If I remember correctly I asked one of the TDs about having a private clan tournament and he said," No private tournaments. They must have 50% of the spots open to the public. NO EXCEPTIONS."

welcome to the wonderful world of double standards within the rules...-0

I'm telling you...RHIP.

by **Kotaro** on Fri Oct 30, 2009 11:18 pm

So is it completely impossible for TeamCC to play, I don't know, public games to build team skills? Or is that just, a completely far out and insane idea?

by **Night Strike** on Fri Oct 30, 2009 11:31 pm

Kotaro wrote:So is it completely impossible for TeamCC to play, I don't know, public games to build team skills? Or is that just, a completely far out and insane idea?

Of course not. Most everybody does play public games. In fact, I play more tournament games than games with my clan members. The building team skills is meant to improve intra-team communications, etc., not necessarily actually team gaming skills.

by **Kotaro** on Fri Oct 30, 2009 11:49 pm

So you're saying it was impossible to promote communication between teammates besides going around the Tournament rules? That there was no choice but to prove to everyone that TeamCC doesn't obey their own rules?

by **Night Strike** on Fri Oct 30, 2009 11:53 pm

Kotaro wrote:So you're saying it was impossible to promote communication between teammates besides going around the Tournament rules? That there was no choice but to prove to everyone that TeamCC doesn't obey their own rules?

As has already been said in this thread, the Tournament Directors did not break any of the tournament rules. The admins chose to use the tournament privileges. Since they're the ones who are the final say on implementing any rules on the site, they also get to choose when exceptions to those rules are made.

By the way, it's the same admins who allowed jpcloet and MarVal to have privileges to run the CLA Season 2. I guess we'll have to take those privileges away too if admins can't make their own rules on their site.

by **Kotaro** on Sat Oct 31, 2009 12:02 am

Oh right, I forgot, especially when Optimus decided it was OK to post for banned users for t-o-m's interview. I forgot, good business's say one thing and do the other, and that brings in more and more business.

Sad owen got banned for merely pointing out this hypocrisy.

by **hwhrhett** on Sat Oct 31, 2009 12:03 am

first, this is ridiculous. i must be slacking that this was posted 15 days ago and i just now noticed it!!! how come nobody told me :-(

Optimus Prime wrote:It is a team building exercise, that's about the whole of it folks. Sorry to disappoint. The big turtle himself wanted the team to quickly get some games in as teammates with each other to strengthen team unity and communication and so this is how I chose to proceed.

the fact that your having a league is not the issue, the issue is that your using the tourney privileges that the rest of us are consistently denied. we clans have often been told that it is ridiculous for us to say that tourney rights are neccessary for such things... why did yall have to use them? when its so damn easy to do without? because this is what we have been told by you guys!!

jpcloet wrote:Wait a minute! I thought I was the first to break this rule with my private league. Aka, the clan league. I'm the innovator.

because clan league is an 'official tournament' i thought..

azezzo wrote:
would be helpful as a team building exercise for clans as well

this is just another example of lack shitting on clans and not recognizing our contributions to this site.. he will never respect us. because he has our balls in his fist. why must you squeeze them lack? why? we love your game, but we feel the scorn of your disapproval.