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rockfist wrote:The concept of long term social spending programs that exsist in near perpetuity since its worth more to fight like hell to the keep the benefits to the group receiving it but a mild nuiciance to the rest of society. Then create another program for another group. Rinse and repeat.
The idea that it is justifiable to use the threat of force (imprisonment) to obtain resources (taxes) for people who did nothing to earn them (social security, medicare, medicaid, welfare).
The breakdown of traditional families that has occured in the last 40 years. Families used to take care of their elderly members - now its easier to use Medicare and Social Security to stick granny in a home. Fathers used to take care of their children now public assistance can do that.
The idea that nationalism or being proud of your ethnicity is bigotry.
The idea that criminals such as child molesters can be "rehabilitated" and deserve a chance to rejoin society. The idea that we should try to understand the reasons people do things like molest children or blow up buildings and that our reaction should depend opon the reason they did it.
The idea that wiretapping suspected terrorists is an invasion of your rights but taxation for transfer payments isn't.
The idea that gun control laws keep guns out of the hands of criminals.
The idea that the use of the term "God" is offensive.
The idea that everyone is equally capable of doing things like driving a car. The idea that equality of everything is a desirable outcome.
The idea that the concept of abortion is one of the most important issues facing our country today.
The idea that its ok to pass a 1000 page spending bill before it is written.
The idea that we should spend more money educating the dumbest 10% of our young people than we do on educating the other 90%.
The concept that they should be judged not by the results of their laws or programs, but by what their intentions were when they passed them.
Those are just a few of their best ideas or actions that come to mind. I am sure I could think of more if I took the time.
Fathers used to take care of their children now public assistance can do that.
The idea that nationalism or being proud of your ethnicity is bigotry.
The idea that wiretapping suspected terrorists is an invasion of your rights but taxation for transfer payments isn't.
The idea that gun control laws keep guns out of the hands of criminals.
The idea that everyone is equally capable of doing things like driving a car.
The idea that the concept of abortion is one of the most important issues facing our country today.
The idea that its ok to pass a 1000 page spending bill before it is written.
The idea that we should spend more money educating the dumbest 10% of our young people than we do on educating the other 90%.
Frigidus wrote:The idea that gun control laws keep guns out of the hands of criminals.The idea that everyone is equally capable of doing things like driving a car.
So you feel that every random dude should be able to own and operate their personal bangy kill-stick, but moving fast is too risky? I'm not even sure what you're referring to about the car thing. Stupid drivers or something? What does this have to do with liberals again?
Snorri1234 wrote:Frigidus wrote:The idea that gun control laws keep guns out of the hands of criminals.The idea that everyone is equally capable of doing things like driving a car.
So you feel that every random dude should be able to own and operate their personal bangy kill-stick, but moving fast is too risky? I'm not even sure what you're referring to about the car thing. Stupid drivers or something? What does this have to do with liberals again?
Clearly the liberals are regulating too much/not regulating enough.
thegreekdog wrote:People that are unable to operate a motor vehicle are not going to be permitted to own a gun
though they may be permitted to drive a car.
Frigidus wrote:thegreekdog wrote:People that are unable to operate a motor vehicle are not going to be permitted to own a gun
I'm not sure that that's the case.though they may be permitted to drive a car.
I'm almost positive that that isn't the case. I'm sure there are some places where they practically hand out licenses, but I remember that when I got mine they were obscenely picky about the way you drove. They made sure you knew what you were doing.
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rockfist wrote:The breakdown of traditional families that has occured in the last 40 years. Families used to take care of their elderly members - now its easier to use Medicare and Social Security to stick granny in a home. Fathers used to take care of their children now public assistance can do that.
The concept that they should be judged not by the results of their laws or programs, but by what their intentions were when they passed them.
Baron Von PWN wrote: The most traditional family is the one on the farm with 8+ kids. T
rockfist wrote:The idea that it is justifiable to use the threat of force (imprisonment) to obtain resources (taxes) for people who did nothing to earn them (social security, medicare, medicaid, welfare).
rockfist wrote:The idea that nationalism or being proud of your ethnicity is bigotry.
rockfist wrote:The idea that criminals such as child molesters can be "rehabilitated" and deserve a chance to rejoin society. The idea that we should try to understand the reasons people do things like molest children or blow up buildings and that our reaction should depend opon the reason they did it.
rockfist wrote:The idea that wiretapping suspected terrorists is an invasion of your rights but taxation for transfer payments isn't.
rockfist wrote:The idea that gun control laws keep guns out of the hands of criminals.
rockfist wrote:The idea that the use of the term "God" is offensive.
rockfist wrote:The idea that everyone is equally capable of doing things like driving a car.
rockfist wrote:The idea that the concept of abortion is one of the most important issues facing our country today.
rockfist wrote:The idea that its ok to pass a 1000 page spending bill before it is written.
rockfist wrote:The idea that we should spend more money educating the dumbest 10% of our young people than we do on educating the other 90%.
rockfist wrote:The concept that they should be judged not by the results of their laws or programs, but by what their intentions were when they passed them.
rockfist wrote:Those are just a few of their best ideas or actions that come to mind. I am sure I could think of more if I took the time.
Frigidus wrote:rockfist wrote:The idea that nationalism or being proud of your ethnicity is bigotry.
Just a couple of days ago one of the local CC conservatives was complaining about people prefacing their nationality with a descriptor (e.g. African-American, Mexican-American, Irish-American). Indeed, I rarely hear complaints of that nature from liberals. Haven't we (I arrogantly speak for all liberals here) always touted America as a cultural melting pot? Or, more recently, a cultural tossed salad?
Frigidus wrote:rockfist wrote:The idea that we should spend more money educating the dumbest 10% of our young people than we do on educating the other 90%.
Quite the opposite. Basing the education system off local taxes has made it so that the rich get the best education and the poor get the worst. Any attempts made to help out the less educated are only (pretty damn weak) attempts to provide equal opportunity.
natty_dread wrote:Populating the antarctic.
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Woodruff wrote:rockfist wrote:The idea that it is justifiable to use the threat of force (imprisonment) to obtain resources (taxes) for people who did nothing to earn them (social security, medicare, medicaid, welfare).
That you would include Social Security in this group tells me you're not interested in serious discourse. But, I'm bored, so...rockfist wrote:
Social security is a transfer payment program, to take from the young and give to the old. Its a ponzi scheme of the highest magnetitude because people pay into it far less than they draw out and my generation and my childrens generations are going to be left holding the bag for it. Benefits need to be cut for it to be viable in the long term - period. If you are ok with younger generations getting nothing - then I have a pitch fork for you.
The idea that nationalism or being proud of your ethnicity is bigotry.
Who told you that?rockfist wrote:The idea that criminals such as child molesters can be "rehabilitated" and deserve a chance to rejoin society. The idea that we should try to understand the reasons people do things like molest children or blow up buildings and that our reaction should depend opon the reason they did it.
That's called civilization. I'm sorry you don't want to be a part of it.
No its called STUPID liberal bullshit. Some people are beyond hope and a threat to all others if they are allowed to continue. They should be dealt with accordingly.rockfist wrote:The idea that wiretapping suspected terrorists is an invasion of your rights but taxation for transfer payments isn't.
Actually, wiretapping is perfectly legal IF IT'S ACCOMPLISHED LEGALLY, WHICH IS VERY EASY TO DO.
There are laws and there is right and wrong. Although they sometimes align they often don't. If your not plotting to kill people what do you have to fear. If the US was a fascist nation under Bush, do you really think you wouldn't have gotten rounded up?rockfist wrote:The idea that gun control laws keep guns out of the hands of criminals.
Is our lack of gun control laws keeping guns out of the hands of criminals?
This isn't even a response.rockfist wrote:The idea that the use of the term "God" is offensive.
Where did you hear that?
From the ACLU.rockfist wrote:The idea that everyone is equally capable of doing things like driving a car.
Uh...what?
Giving everyone a driver's license means you have to have lower speed limits since you are giving some very marginal drivers the right to drive.rockfist wrote:The idea that the concept of abortion is one of the most important issues facing our country today.
The amount of public discourse on the subject says that it is. However, since you don't consider it a very important issue, I take it that you're perfectly happy with just making wholesale abortion legal? That's ok with you?
As long as I don't have to pay for it. I'm marginally against it but I would trade legal abortion for doing away with one of the so called "entitlements."rockfist wrote:The idea that its ok to pass a 1000 page spending bill before it is written.
If ONLY that were ONLY a liberal problem. At least then, half the problem would be solved. Actually less than 25% of the people identify themselves as liberals, perhaps because liberals pass bills like this.rockfist wrote:The idea that we should spend more money educating the dumbest 10% of our young people than we do on educating the other 90%.
Where did you hear that?rockfist wrote:The concept that they should be judged not by the results of their laws or programs, but by what their intentions were when they passed them.
Who is they?
Liberals and other people who think they can fix everything by legislation.rockfist wrote:Those are just a few of their best ideas or actions that come to mind. I am sure I could think of more if I took the time.
Perhaps if you took some time, you could come up with something that actually held water. Give it a try next time!
Woodruff wrote:Frigidus wrote:rockfist wrote:The idea that nationalism or being proud of your ethnicity is bigotry.
Just a couple of days ago one of the local CC conservatives was complaining about people prefacing their nationality with a descriptor (e.g. African-American, Mexican-American, Irish-American). Indeed, I rarely hear complaints of that nature from liberals. Haven't we (I arrogantly speak for all liberals here) always touted America as a cultural melting pot? Or, more recently, a cultural tossed salad?
Erm...are you saying we're a bunch of salad-tossers? <laughing>Frigidus wrote:rockfist wrote:The idea that we should spend more money educating the dumbest 10% of our young people than we do on educating the other 90%.
Quite the opposite. Basing the education system off local taxes has made it so that the rich get the best education and the poor get the worst. Any attempts made to help out the less educated are only (pretty damn weak) attempts to provide equal opportunity.
And I believe you're speaking with a fine example of the second.
rockfist wrote:Woodruff wrote:Frigidus wrote:rockfist wrote:The idea that nationalism or being proud of your ethnicity is bigotry.
Just a couple of days ago one of the local CC conservatives was complaining about people prefacing their nationality with a descriptor (e.g. African-American, Mexican-American, Irish-American). Indeed, I rarely hear complaints of that nature from liberals. Haven't we (I arrogantly speak for all liberals here) always touted America as a cultural melting pot? Or, more recently, a cultural tossed salad?
Erm...are you saying we're a bunch of salad-tossers? <laughing>Frigidus wrote:rockfist wrote:The idea that we should spend more money educating the dumbest 10% of our young people than we do on educating the other 90%.
Quite the opposite. Basing the education system off local taxes has made it so that the rich get the best education and the poor get the worst. Any attempts made to help out the less educated are only (pretty damn weak) attempts to provide equal opportunity.
And I believe you're speaking with a fine example of the second.
You are equating children from poorer areas with lower intelligence, which is a very unliberal thing to do - and I don't agree with it.
pimpdave wrote:natty_dread wrote:Populating the antarctic.
Timminz wrote:rockfist wrote:Woodruff wrote:Frigidus wrote:rockfist wrote:The idea that nationalism or being proud of your ethnicity is bigotry.
Just a couple of days ago one of the local CC conservatives was complaining about people prefacing their nationality with a descriptor (e.g. African-American, Mexican-American, Irish-American). Indeed, I rarely hear complaints of that nature from liberals. Haven't we (I arrogantly speak for all liberals here) always touted America as a cultural melting pot? Or, more recently, a cultural tossed salad?
Erm...are you saying we're a bunch of salad-tossers? <laughing>Frigidus wrote:rockfist wrote:The idea that we should spend more money educating the dumbest 10% of our young people than we do on educating the other 90%.
Quite the opposite. Basing the education system off local taxes has made it so that the rich get the best education and the poor get the worst. Any attempts made to help out the less educated are only (pretty damn weak) attempts to provide equal opportunity.
And I believe you're speaking with a fine example of the second.
You are equating children from poorer areas with lower intelligence, which is a very unliberal thing to do - and I don't agree with it.
No he didn't. He said that wealthier areas have more money to spend on education, and therefore tend to get better results.
rockfist wrote:Woodruff wrote:rockfist wrote:The idea that it is justifiable to use the threat of force (imprisonment) to obtain resources (taxes) for people who did nothing to earn them (social security, medicare, medicaid, welfare).
That you would include Social Security in this group tells me you're not interested in serious discourse. But, I'm bored, so...rockfist wrote:
Social security is a transfer payment program, to take from the young and give to the old. Its a ponzi scheme of the highest magnetitude because people pay into it far less than they draw out and my generation and my childrens generations are going to be left holding the bag for it. Benefits need to be cut for it to be viable in the long term - period. If you are ok with younger generations getting nothing - then I have a pitch fork for you.
The idea that nationalism or being proud of your ethnicity is bigotry.
Who told you that?rockfist wrote:The idea that criminals such as child molesters can be "rehabilitated" and deserve a chance to rejoin society. The idea that we should try to understand the reasons people do things like molest children or blow up buildings and that our reaction should depend opon the reason they did it.
That's called civilization. I'm sorry you don't want to be a part of it.
No its called STUPID liberal bullshit. Some people are beyond hope and a threat to all others if they are allowed to continue. They should be dealt with accordingly.rockfist wrote:The idea that wiretapping suspected terrorists is an invasion of your rights but taxation for transfer payments isn't.
Actually, wiretapping is perfectly legal IF IT'S ACCOMPLISHED LEGALLY, WHICH IS VERY EASY TO DO.
There are laws and there is right and wrong. Although they sometimes align they often don't. If your not plotting to kill people what do you have to fear. If the US was a fascist nation under Bush, do you really think you wouldn't have gotten rounded up?rockfist wrote:The idea that gun control laws keep guns out of the hands of criminals.
Is our lack of gun control laws keeping guns out of the hands of criminals?
This isn't even a response.rockfist wrote:The idea that the use of the term "God" is offensive.
Where did you hear that?
From the ACLU.rockfist wrote:The idea that everyone is equally capable of doing things like driving a car.
Uh...what?
Giving everyone a driver's license means you have to have lower speed limits since you are giving some very marginal drivers the right to drive.rockfist wrote:The idea that the concept of abortion is one of the most important issues facing our country today.
The amount of public discourse on the subject says that it is. However, since you don't consider it a very important issue, I take it that you're perfectly happy with just making wholesale abortion legal? That's ok with you?
As long as I don't have to pay for it. I'm marginally against it but I would trade legal abortion for doing away with one of the so called "entitlements."rockfist wrote:The idea that its ok to pass a 1000 page spending bill before it is written.
If ONLY that were ONLY a liberal problem. At least then, half the problem would be solved. Actually less than 25% of the people identify themselves as liberals, perhaps because liberals pass bills like this.rockfist wrote:The idea that we should spend more money educating the dumbest 10% of our young people than we do on educating the other 90%.
Where did you hear that?rockfist wrote:The concept that they should be judged not by the results of their laws or programs, but by what their intentions were when they passed them.
Who is they?
Liberals and other people who think they can fix everything by legislation.rockfist wrote:Those are just a few of their best ideas or actions that come to mind. I am sure I could think of more if I took the time.
Perhaps if you took some time, you could come up with something that actually held water. Give it a try next time!
TeletubbyPrince wrote:rockfist wrote:Woodruff wrote:rockfist wrote:The idea that it is justifiable to use the threat of force (imprisonment) to obtain resources (taxes) for people who did nothing to earn them (social security, medicare, medicaid, welfare).
That you would include Social Security in this group tells me you're not interested in serious discourse. But, I'm bored, so...rockfist wrote:
Social security is a transfer payment program, to take from the young and give to the old. Its a ponzi scheme of the highest magnetitude because people pay into it far less than they draw out and my generation and my childrens generations are going to be left holding the bag for it. Benefits need to be cut for it to be viable in the long term - period. If you are ok with younger generations getting nothing - then I have a pitch fork for you.
The idea that nationalism or being proud of your ethnicity is bigotry.
Who told you that?rockfist wrote:The idea that criminals such as child molesters can be "rehabilitated" and deserve a chance to rejoin society. The idea that we should try to understand the reasons people do things like molest children or blow up buildings and that our reaction should depend opon the reason they did it.
That's called civilization. I'm sorry you don't want to be a part of it.
No its called STUPID liberal bullshit. Some people are beyond hope and a threat to all others if they are allowed to continue. They should be dealt with accordingly.rockfist wrote:The idea that wiretapping suspected terrorists is an invasion of your rights but taxation for transfer payments isn't.
Actually, wiretapping is perfectly legal IF IT'S ACCOMPLISHED LEGALLY, WHICH IS VERY EASY TO DO.
There are laws and there is right and wrong. Although they sometimes align they often don't. If your not plotting to kill people what do you have to fear. If the US was a fascist nation under Bush, do you really think you wouldn't have gotten rounded up?rockfist wrote:The idea that gun control laws keep guns out of the hands of criminals.
Is our lack of gun control laws keeping guns out of the hands of criminals?
This isn't even a response.rockfist wrote:The idea that the use of the term "God" is offensive.
Where did you hear that?
From the ACLU.rockfist wrote:The idea that everyone is equally capable of doing things like driving a car.
Uh...what?
Giving everyone a driver's license means you have to have lower speed limits since you are giving some very marginal drivers the right to drive.rockfist wrote:The idea that the concept of abortion is one of the most important issues facing our country today.
The amount of public discourse on the subject says that it is. However, since you don't consider it a very important issue, I take it that you're perfectly happy with just making wholesale abortion legal? That's ok with you?
As long as I don't have to pay for it. I'm marginally against it but I would trade legal abortion for doing away with one of the so called "entitlements."rockfist wrote:The idea that its ok to pass a 1000 page spending bill before it is written.
If ONLY that were ONLY a liberal problem. At least then, half the problem would be solved. Actually less than 25% of the people identify themselves as liberals, perhaps because liberals pass bills like this.rockfist wrote:The idea that we should spend more money educating the dumbest 10% of our young people than we do on educating the other 90%.
Where did you hear that?rockfist wrote:The concept that they should be judged not by the results of their laws or programs, but by what their intentions were when they passed them.
Who is they?
Liberals and other people who think they can fix everything by legislation.rockfist wrote:Those are just a few of their best ideas or actions that come to mind. I am sure I could think of more if I took the time.
Perhaps if you took some time, you could come up with something that actually held water. Give it a try next time!
I love how retards don't know how to quote properly
saxitoxin wrote:Your position is more complex than the federal tax code. As soon as I think I understand it, I find another index of cross-references, exceptions and amendments I have to apply.
Timminz wrote:Yo mama is so classless, she could be a Marxist utopia.
PLAYER57832 wrote:Too many of those who claim they don't believe global warming are really "end-timer" Christians.
jay_a2j wrote:rockfist, it is a futile attempt to try to "reform" a liberal. It can't be done. They don't think like the rest of us. They lack things like common sense. I speak from many years of experience. It's hopeless.
jay_a2j wrote:rockfist, it is a futile attempt to try to "reform" a liberal. It can't be done. They don't think like the rest of us. They lack things like common sense. I speak from many years of experience. It's hopeless.
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