ObamaCare - exchanges ,report your states options!

[notyou2]

YEAH, AND THIS IS CANADA AND FOOD IS FUCKIN EXPENSIVE, ESPECIALLY IN THE WINTER.

[Phatscotty]

YEAH, AND THIS IS CANADA AND FOOD IS FUCKIN EXPENSIVE, ESPECIALLY IN THE WINTER.

So when did your government take over the food industry.....

I can get 99 cent double cheeseburger WHENEVER I WANT!!

[notyou2]

YEAH, AND THIS IS CANADA AND FOOD IS FUCKIN EXPENSIVE, ESPECIALLY IN THE WINTER.

So when did your government take over the food industry.....

I can get 99 cent double cheeseburger WHENEVER I WANT!!

That's not real meat. I am not even sure its real food. Ever smell your hands after eating one of those burgers?

The Canadian government took over the food industry in Canada in 1471, right after McGill University invented food.

The government also gives all citizens free seal meat....all we want.

[Phatscotty]

YEAH, AND THIS IS CANADA AND FOOD IS FUCKIN EXPENSIVE, ESPECIALLY IN THE WINTER.

So when did your government take over the food industry.....

I can get 99 cent double cheeseburger WHENEVER I WANT!!

That's not real meat. I am not even sure its real food. Ever smell your hands after eating one of those burgers?

The Canadian government took over the food industry in Canada in 1471, right after McGill University invented food.

The government also gives all citizens free seal meat....all we want.

free seal meat = socialist nirvana

[BigBallinStalin]

YEAH, AND THIS IS CANADA AND FOOD IS FUCKIN EXPENSIVE, ESPECIALLY IN THE WINTER.

So when did your government take over the food industry.....

I can get 99 cent double cheeseburger WHENEVER I WANT!!

That's not real meat. I am not even sure its real food. Ever smell your hands after eating one of those burgers?

The Canadian government took over the food industry in Canada in 1471, right after McGill University invented food.

The government also gives all citizens free seal meat....all we want.

free seal meat = socialist nirvana

FOOD FOR THE MASSES! AND WHALE BLUBBER FOR ALL!!

[Titanic]

YEAH, AND THIS IS CANADA AND FOOD IS FUCKIN EXPENSIVE, ESPECIALLY IN THE WINTER.

So when did your government take over the food industry.....

I can get 99 cent double cheeseburger WHENEVER I WANT!!

That's not real meat. I am not even sure its real food. Ever smell your hands after eating one of those burgers?

The Canadian government took over the food industry in Canada in 1471, right after McGill University invented food.

The government also gives all citizens free seal meat....all we want.

Do you get them at the supermarket or do you have to club it to death yourself?

[notyou2]

YEAH, AND THIS IS CANADA AND FOOD IS FUCKIN EXPENSIVE, ESPECIALLY IN THE WINTER.

So when did your government take over the food industry.....

I can get 99 cent double cheeseburger WHENEVER I WANT!!

That's not real meat. I am not even sure its real food. Ever smell your hands after eating one of those burgers?

The Canadian government took over the food industry in Canada in 1471, right after McGill University invented food.

The government also gives all citizens free seal meat....all we want.

Do you get them at the supermarket or do you have to club it to death yourself?

Either place. At the government supermarket (everything in Canada is owned by the government including the snow we make our igloos from - free government housing for all) the government trucks pull up with a big load of meat and they throw it in the snow bank. It is skinned and boned.

If you hunt them yourself, then you also get to make coats, hats, boots, and mittens with the skins, and you can use the skull as a soup bowl.

[Phatscotty]

I needed a signature on a document from a government agency. This document needs to recieved by september 1st. For something as simple as a signature, no doubt this is a job for a fax machine. So I call the government agency on January 3rd. I simply can not get a human being on the phone and an option for a fax number does not exist. I punch in his extension.....No answer, leave a message asking for a fax number. 2 days go by, no response. I call again on the 5th, no answer, leave message. 3 more days go by, no response. So I have to drive to Eden Prarie to get the signature. He's in a meeting (not sure about that) I wait about 15 minutes and then leave the document in his mailbo. 3 days go by, and I get a call saying he he signed it, I gave him my fax # and he sent it, only I never receive it, and of course calling him back is IMPOSSIBLE! Time is now of the utmost F'ing importance, and I'm driving to Eden Prairie AGAIN, not even knowing if he's going to be there or not. Luckily he was. I would not wish this experience on even an enemy. Ok I would but it was really, really bad.

Then, right when I get home, I see on CNN a report about how the gov't loses over 50% of all paperwork.

Healthcare is gonna be sweeeeet

[notyou2]

Perhaps if you moved to Cuba your healthcare would be a helluva lot better Scotty

[Phatscotty]

Perhaps if you moved to Cuba your healthcare would be a helluva lot better Scotty

yah except I enjoy clean drinking water and cars made after 1955....

[Timminz]

Perhaps if you moved to Cuba your healthcare would be a helluva lot better Scotty

yah except I enjoy clean drinking water and cars made after 1955....

You're moving to France?

[Phatscotty]

Perhaps if you moved to Cuba your healthcare would be a helluva lot better Scotty

yah except I enjoy clean drinking water and cars made after 1955....

You're moving to France?

troll fail

[Timminz]

Perhaps if you moved to Cuba your healthcare would be a helluva lot better Scotty

yah except I enjoy clean drinking water and cars made after 1955....

You're moving to France?

troll fail

Oh don't be so hard on yourself. Most here think you're the most successful troll around CC.

[Phatscotty]

Perhaps if you moved to Cuba your healthcare would be a helluva lot better Scotty

yah except I enjoy clean drinking water and cars made after 1955....

You're moving to France?

troll fail

Oh don't be so hard on yourself. Most here think you're the most successful troll around CC.

It's ok to call a troll a troll for trolling

[Timminz]

troll fail

Oh don't be so hard on yourself. Most here think you're the most successful troll around CC.

It's ok to call a troll a troll for trolling

Indeed. That's why so many people call you one, so often.

[Phatscotty]

troll fail

Oh don't be so hard on yourself. Most here think you're the most successful troll around CC.

It's ok to call a troll a troll for trolling

Indeed. That's why so many people call you one, so often.

Which is why I'm calling out trolls

[Snorri1234]

Is that some kind of troll-dar?

[Phatscotty]

Is that some kind of troll-dar?

only one more piece wissing to complete the troll tri-fecta

[notyou2]

Is that some kind of troll-dar?

only one more piece wissing to complete the troll tri-fecta

So your making a second multi tonight so you'll have your 3?

[Phatscotty]

no just waiting for titanic to jump in with his usual name-calling barrage, which isn't annoying at all

[Night Strike]

How is it constitutional for two people with the exact same health care benefits to pay two different federal levels of taxes? Union member = no tax, Non-union member = 40% tax. No rational person thinks this is fair or legal.

In pushing a giant step closer to a health care reform deal, Democratic leaders are once again drawing fire from their critics for extending special treatment to an interest group in exchange for its support of the bill.

The latest deal was struck Thursday among the White House, Congress and union leaders over the proposed tax on high-value "Cadillac" health insurance plans."

Unions had objected strongly to the proposed tax on high-value insurance policies, fearing it would hurt their members, and they won several concessions from the administration. Under the deal, if it becomes law, union workers will be shielded from the 40 percent tax for five years -- until 2018. The threshold for the tax also was raised so that it will kick in for plans worth $24,000 instead of $23,000. And dental and vision coverage will not count toward that threshold.

But what about everybody else?

The unions, traditional supporters of the Democratic Party and a major factor in Obama's political infrastructure, got a deal, but Republicans said that non-union workers will still have to pay the tax from the get-go starting in 2013.

"I guess this bill is only good if it doesn't apply to you," GOPAC Chairman Frank Donatelli said.

"Millions of non-union workers ... would be forced to pay higher taxes for the same benefits their union counterparts" receive, Republicans on the House Ways and Means Committee said in a written statement.

The deal also leaves a $60 billion hole in the projected revenue stream, meaning Democrats will have to find the money elsewhere if they want to meet Obama's pledge to keep health care reform deficit-neutral.

"There's a $60 billion hole now in the legislation," Democratic strategist Doug Schoen said. "Not sure it's fair, not sure it's paid for."

Neither union leaders nor the White House offered any specifics on where that money would come from.

Lawmakers, though, have been considering applying Medicare payroll taxes to capital gains and other dividend incomes above $200,000 for individuals and $250,000 for families.

Critics of the legislation called the union deal another back-room favor handed out in secret talks that violated Obama's promise of transparency. They say special treatment has gone to interests ranging from the pharmaceutical industry to the state of Nebraska, which was offered extra federal funding for Medicaid patients in exchange for moderate Sen. Ben Nelson's support.

"If this bill is so good, why does everyone need an exemption in order to vote for it? ... We see the drug companies get a special deal. We see what happened in Louisiana and most notoriously Nebraska in the Senate where they got special deals. And now the unions get a special deal." Donatelli said.

"The definition of irony," Michael Steel, a spokesman for House Minority Leader John Boehner, said in a statement Thursday. "Democratic leaders today emerged from a closed-door meeting to announce a backroom 'deal' on health care, then brag about the 'transparent process.'"

But the White House trumpeted the "solid progress" it was making toward a final package.

Obama held a meeting with House and Senate Democratic leaders late into the night Thursday to discuss the apparent breakthrough.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said on Friday that her members, who were fiercely opposed to the earlier version of the Senate bill's "Cadillac" tax, liked what they saw in the union compromise.

"We are very optimistic" that common ground will be found on other issues, she said.

Gerald McEntee, president of the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees, said his workers were "very pleased" by the deal.

"They're ready to go out and fight for it and even improve it down line. We're for this health care reform and ready to fight for it."

AFL-CIO President Richard Trumka called the agreement the biggest hurdle for union support. Absent any last minute changes, he said the AFL-CIO's on board.

"We will endorse it and do it proudly," Trumka said of the emerging health care bill.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/01/15/democrats-hammered-room-deal-unions-health-care/

[Titanic]

I needed a signature on a document from a government agency. This document needs to recieved by september 1st. For something as simple as a signature, no doubt this is a job for a fax machine. So I call the government agency on January 3rd. I simply can not get a human being on the phone and an option for a fax number does not exist. I punch in his extension.....No answer, leave a message asking for a fax number. 2 days go by, no response. I call again on the 5th, no answer, leave message. 3 more days go by, no response. So I have to drive to Eden Prarie to get the signature. He's in a meeting (not sure about that) I wait about 15 minutes and then leave the document in his mailbo. 3 days go by, and I get a call saying he he signed it, I gave him my fax # and he sent it, only I never receive it, and of course calling him back is IMPOSSIBLE! Time is now of the utmost F'ing importance, and I'm driving to Eden Prairie AGAIN, not even knowing if he's going to be there or not. Luckily he was. I would not wish this experience on even an enemy. Ok I would but it was really, really bad.

Then, right when I get home, I see on CNN a report about how the gov't loses over 50% of all paperwork.

Healthcare is gonna be sweeeeet

#1 Government is not going to be running healthcare, at least not if the corrupt senators get their way
#2 You really think govt departments are that bad? Try dealing with the multinational corporations. They'll give you the full run around, legal costs, stress, harrassment deal just to stop you getting £10 back of them. I would much rather deal with a government department (who I know have to follow the law and refrain from intentially fcking me over) to a private company (who make their money by fcking me over by selling me faulty sh*t and refusing to abide by the law).

Perhaps if you moved to Cuba your healthcare would be a helluva lot better Scotty

yah except I enjoy clean drinking water and cars made after 1955....

The USA...clean drinking water....you not see the post a few weeks back about the EPA not following up thousands of complaints about bad drinking water. Even your basic civil infrastructure has been bought out by the private companies.

no just waiting for titanic to jump in with his usual name-calling barrage, which isn't annoying at all

Name calling barrage? I think you have me confused....

[thegreekdog]

Has anyone here ever dealt with the IRS or a state department of taxation? If one has, and has had some success, please send me your resume. I've had an enormous amount of trouble dealing with these people; generally speaking (there are some exceptions), they can be incompetent, rude, obnoxious, and power-hungry. They also have a sense that the money that we send them is their own, and thus, are less likely to give it back.

[72o]

Has anyone here ever dealt with the IRS or a state department of taxation? If one has, and has had some success, please send me your resume. I've had an enormous amount of trouble dealing with these people; generally speaking (there are some exceptions), they can be incompetent, rude, obnoxious, and power-hungry. They also have a sense that the money that we send them is their own, and thus, are less likely to give it back.

I have, as an accountant for a CPA firm for several years. They are typically pains in the ass, it's true. Most everything should be handled via written correspondence, as you must assume you will at some time have to prove that said correspondence took place.

It probably doesn't help that you're a lawyer, though.

[Phatscotty]

I needed a signature on a document from a government agency. This document needs to recieved by september 1st. For something as simple as a signature, no doubt this is a job for a fax machine. So I call the government agency on January 3rd. I simply can not get a human being on the phone and an option for a fax number does not exist. I punch in his extension.....No answer, leave a message asking for a fax number. 2 days go by, no response. I call again on the 5th, no answer, leave message. 3 more days go by, no response. So I have to drive to Eden Prarie to get the signature. He's in a meeting (not sure about that) I wait about 15 minutes and then leave the document in his mailbo. 3 days go by, and I get a call saying he he signed it, I gave him my fax # and he sent it, only I never receive it, and of course calling him back is IMPOSSIBLE! Time is now of the utmost F'ing importance, and I'm driving to Eden Prairie AGAIN, not even knowing if he's going to be there or not. Luckily he was. I would not wish this experience on even an enemy. Ok I would but it was really, really bad.

Then, right when I get home, I see on CNN a report about how the gov't loses over 50% of all paperwork.

Healthcare is gonna be sweeeeet

#1 Government is not going to be running healthcare, at least not if the corrupt senators get their way
#2 You really think govt departments are that bad? Try dealing with the multinational corporations. They'll give you the full run around, legal costs, stress, harrassment deal just to stop you getting £10 back of them. I would much rather deal with a government department (who I know have to follow the law and refrain from intentially fcking me over) to a private company (who make their money by fcking me over by selling me faulty sh*t and refusing to abide by the law).

Perhaps if you moved to Cuba your healthcare would be a helluva lot better Scotty

yah except I enjoy clean drinking water and cars made after 1955....

The USA...clean drinking water....you not see the post a few weeks back about the EPA not following up thousands of complaints about bad drinking water. Even your basic civil infrastructure has been bought out by the private companies.

no just waiting for titanic to jump in with his usual name-calling barrage, which isn't annoying at all

Name calling barrage? I think you have me confused....

yes, possible confusion, though you do troll me daily. My drinking water is fine. I never said USA drinking water was 100% perfect in 100% of all cities rural and urban.....I have in the last 2 years been to NJ, NY, Maryland, Kentucky, Colorado, and Missouri. The water is fine.

I'm sure the EPA recieves complaints, and does not follow up on 100% of them. I will give you, that with the current Deficit crisis in America and most states (except for the real conservative states) will probably put further strain on the water supply. However, drinking water is pretty high up on a citizens expectations for their tax dollars. I am perplexed by your assertion that America doesn't have clean drinking water. ridiculous