[Unofficial] HALL OF FAME

[Blitzaholic]

been almost 3 years and still not a hall of fame im not gonna read all this though i like the idea

thank you laddida, also, if you have time , could you post 2 or 3 things you think would be helpful for a player to get into the hall of fame? What do you think a player needs to accomplish to be considered a worthy candidate?

[danryan]

I'd envision a hall of fame including the best players, and anyone who has made a special contribution to the site improving - for example top mapmakers, tournament organizers, clan organizers who may not be statistically great players may deserve inclusion for their contribution.

As far as statistics go, I'm a little leery of score because as has been demonstrated over and over score is not a real good predictor of skill - HighlanderAttack is usually a major but in my opinion may be the best 1 v 1 seq. player on the site. I think a high cross map value is absolutely essential - you can't claim Hall of Fame status playing all your games on a small group of maps. Similarly, I think all game types have to be covered - terminator, assassin, doubles, triples, quads, and yes, freestyle. I love the kill ratio calc in Chipv's maprankgl - it is an underrated tool for measuring skill.

So for my basis for consideration, except in special cases: 3000 pts minimum score achieved, 50% kill ratio, 125 cross maps (with exceptions for players who retired when there were far fewer maps), gold doubles, trips, quads, silver assassin, silver terminator, silver freestyle medals.

[Qwert]

Well blitz i think that you need to have one supreme rule:

1A.If map rank show farming,player its automatic off.

strange that nobody mention farming?

[Blitzaholic]

I'd envision a hall of fame including the best players, and anyone who has made a special contribution to the site improving - for example top mapmakers, tournament organizers, clan organizers who may not be statistically great players may deserve inclusion for their contribution.

As far as statistics go, I'm a little leery of score because as has been demonstrated over and over score is not a real good predictor of skill - HighlanderAttack is usually a major but in my opinion may be the best 1 v 1 seq. player on the site. I think a high cross map value is absolutely essential - you can't claim Hall of Fame status playing all your games on a small group of maps. Similarly, I think all game types have to be covered - terminator, assassin, doubles, triples, quads, and yes, freestyle. I love the kill ratio calc in Chipv's maprankgl - it is an underrated tool for measuring skill.

So for my basis for consideration, except in special cases: 3000 pts minimum score achieved, 50% kill ratio, 125 cross maps (with exceptions for players who retired when there were far fewer maps), gold doubles, trips, quads, silver assassin, silver terminator, silver freestyle medals.

thank you dan, those are very good suggestions

[JOHNNYROCKET24]

been almost 3 years and still not a hall of fame im not gonna read all this though i like the idea

2 years 3 months is not close to 3 years.

[Blitzaholic]

ok all in CC, I sifted through of my massive pm's, all these posts in this thread, et cetera, this took over an exhausting 3 hours worth of time and over 100 something cc members replied in some form attempting to share what they deem worthy as being a possible Hall of Famer. I respect everyone's viewpoint and want to take everything all have said into consideration. Scanning through all, I took the time to compile a list, this again is a rough draft and I hope I did not miss anything, although if I did, please post it. It may be possible as I started getting tired after awhile. There was several things repeated and worded in different ways, others were very vague, and some were subjective, I will post them anyways and lump them into categories as time goes on based on what CC'ers feel. Again, there may be some repeats, just jotting them all down and we can go from there. Again, keeping adding to the lists if you see something.

1st:

most agreed we need a respectable and impartial committee of juror's, 10, 12, 15, 20 in that ball park, also
the requirements that are needed to be a juror: 3 year membership min., Active on the forums, Daily attendance, Good knowledge of the site

2nd:

several thought HOF Inductees should have 3 to 5 members a year, others 1 or 2 every 3 months, and yet, some others: once per month and felt this should occur before they retire and can be posted long after they retire as well

3rd:

the complex criteria is overwhelming, but here goes:

3x high cross map ratio was mentioned, but we need a specific number?
2x it was mentioned of a player needing to be well round, post what you believe this looks like?
5x achieving a score of 3000 at some point during a players career
4x a good player was mention, define that?
4x it was mentioned a player should be respectable or positive, how do we measure that? do the jurors use their judgement only?
3x good ratings of 4.5 or higher
1x rating of 4.6 or higher
2x having a 55% win ratio
1x made all time top 100 score
1x a player set benchmark high or some sort
2x anyone that was ever a past conqueror
2x greasemonkey script
1x any player that strikes fear into your spine
2x good at multiple game types: example ass, dubs, trips, term, quads
2x it was said has t be an all around good player (medals would show) how many?
2x premium status majority of time, how long exactly
3x won multiple tourney's (2 or more)
11x longevity of 2 or 3 years
3x a 3500 score reached at some point
2x versatile player, explain specifically?
2x having 35+ medals
3x having 20+ medals
3x having 60% win rate in teams
2x having 22%+ win rate in 6 player singles, term, ass games
2x made at least one list of 1st 5's and top 5's
4x being a part of CLA
4x organized tournaments
4x being a mod
3x being a newsletter writer
2x being a newsletter interviewee
2x developed 5 playable maps
1x developed 2 popular maps
3x mentioned maintaining an average of 2500 score for a year
2x a minimum of bronze medals in 9 of the 12 categories
4x won a tournament
2x unique defeats of 2,000 minimum
2x 50% kill ratio
3x having a 20 game win streak plus
2x rank of a major plus
3x sportsmanship mentioned and (ratings may show)
2x being involved in something more than just games on CC
2x longevity mentioned again, how long?
1x all jurors have to agree for a player to get in
2x contributors to community posting
2x a score of 2500+
6x mentioned a player needing to be outstanding, excellent, awesome, exceptional of some sort, define that?
2x a mapmaker
2x a tournament organizer
2x a decent rank, like what?
2x high score-set a benchmark, need to do this
2x achieving certain score, again, what?
4x inspires others
2x a coach, helpful to players, teaches them the game
2x an active member for certain amount of time, how long?
2x silver medals achieved in all styles
5x a map designer
2x clan organizers
3x receiving special contribution medal
2x organized 5 successful tourney's
1x highest score obtained, not sure what this means?
2x feedback and or ratings, what about them?
1x high on scoreboard, how high?
2x 125 cross map
2x score again-says set benchmark, need to establish
1x set a cc record of some sort
1x active member, needs more input?
2x feedback positive, in cc community or in game with ratings?
2x rank of colonel at some point
1x a rank of officer, may be a little low?
1x having clean record, do you mean never been banned?
1x no busts or no cc bans
2x high map cross map ratio, number of how many minimally?
2x having obtained at least 25 medals
1x a 500 post count, ?
1x reached 1st page on the scoreboard at some point
2x unique defeats of at least 5,000
2x forum posts, what exactly?
1x won 3 tourney's
1x created several tourney's, any amount?
1x broke some kind of CC record
1x singles victories, what does this mean?
2x completed games, give me a number to work with?
1x highest place on scoreboard, can you be more specific?
2x forum contributors, do you mean anyone posting anything?
2x won a tournament on CC
1x unique defeats of 5k plus
1x 60%+ win rate in team games
1x 25%+ win rate in singles
1x over 55% win on 1 vs 1 games
2x mentioned of total victories, how many at minimum?
1x triples victories, again, how many?
2x mentioned being versed on different map, you mean cross maps, how many?
2x score was mentioned again, but no number?
2x rank of player was mentioned, no specifics?
1x participation, in or on what
1x improvements, of what?
1x played 2 years at least
1x played 2 years at least and won 500 games in that time
1x played 2 years at least and won 1,000 games in that time frame
2x played 2 years
2x versed in several game types, cross maps? how many?
1x reached top 100 on scoreboard at some time
1x having a 65%+ win rate in doubles
1x having a 65%+ win rate in triples
1x having a 65%+ win rate in quads
1x currently active, what does that mean?
1x total wins, how many?
1x having gold medals in 6 of 12
3x total wins with minimum score, Can you be more specific?
1x any player that makes you think or take longer in your turn based on their game play


ok, I again, need to scroll this again and merge some and tweak others, at least this compiles all the ideas in one post , geeeeez

[JOHNNYROCKET24]

Nice work Blitz. I would like to see what requirements are needed to be a judge. 3 year membership min. is high on my list. What others should there be ? Active on the forums? Daily attendance ? Good knowledge of the site ?

[laddida]

been almost 3 years and still not a hall of fame im not gonna read all this though i like the idea

2 years 3 months is not close to 3 years.

by Blitzaholic on Sat Apr 21, 2007 11:03 am isnt it 2010 and arent we less than 2 months from april 21st so that would make it 2 years 10 months

[laddida]

blitz in front of each catagory you got a X2 X6 is there gonna be some kinda scoring tally system and a certain number you gotta get to qualify for a vote into the hof?

[JOHNNYROCKET24]

been almost 3 years and still not a hall of fame im not gonna read all this though i like the idea

2 years 3 months is not close to 3 years.

by Blitzaholic on Sat Apr 21, 2007 11:03 am isnt it 2010 and arent we less than 2 months from april 21st so that would make it 2 years 10 months

your join date + 3 years

Joined: Mon Nov 19, 2007 11:25

[Blitzaholic]

blitz in front of each catagory you got a X2 X6 is there gonna be some kinda scoring tally system and a certain number you gotta get to qualify for a vote into the hof?

the X is the amount of times players wanted that category added to the Hall of Fame. This is still early in it's infancy, but , I am trying to hammer em out and get it closer. I think in the end the the most X's will be the criteria judged by the jurors to see who may get in the CC HOF.

on another note:
I think JR was referring to you only joining CC by:
laddida

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and finally, laddida, if you have to choose a few things, what do you believe warrants a player being worthy in HOF?

[laddida]

been almost 3 years and still not a hall of fame im not gonna read all this though i like the idea

2 years 3 months is not close to 3 years.

by Blitzaholic on Sat Apr 21, 2007 11:03 am isnt it 2010 and arent we less than 2 months from april 21st so that would make it 2 years 10 months

your join date + 3 years

Joined: Mon Nov 19, 2007 11:25

i am just talkin about when the thread was made not that i been keepin track of it since the beginning lol

[laddida]

been almost 3 years and still not a hall of fame im not gonna read all this though i like the idea

2 years 3 months is not close to 3 years.

by Blitzaholic on Sat Apr 21, 2007 11:03 am isnt it 2010 and arent we less than 2 months from april 21st so that would make it 2 years 10 months

your join date + 3 years

Joined: Mon Nov 19, 2007 11:25

i am just talkin about when the thread was made not that i been keepin track of it since the beginning lol

part of any hall of famer is how much he affects his team was he a bigger part of a championship would that team have won a championship if he was not on that team. Would that team even be a blip on the radar if this player was not on the team ( i am talkin about real sports here basketball baseball football hockey cause im a amid sports fan). Although harder to do on CC but if you look at a team and you see that certain player on that team u know that chances of winning this game or tournament are slim or they strike a bit of fear in you whne playing against them. So i believe clan contributation and the fear others show towards a certain player should count as well. Someone that if your in a clan war vs you have to take a lil extra time to research this player and plan ahead (scouting a player). I dunno kinda just through this out there im sure theres better way to put it or already has been out there.

[Blitzaholic]

Nice work Blitz. I would like to see what requirements are needed to be a judge. 3 year membership min. is high on my list. What others should there be ? Active on the forums? Daily attendance ? Good knowledge of the site ?

thx Jr, edit it above and I will add that to the list.

p.s. I am in the process of merging same themes together.

[pmchugh]

No one meets all of them requirements (as far as i know) so what exactly is required? A majority of them? Or all of them once the list has been reduced down or what?

Some of them are completely pointless, e.g. rating above 4.6 is anyone who will ever be considered lower than that?

I think this will be difficult to do fairly and there will always be people who claim bias in the jurors and criteria. May take a closer look later at the specific entries.

[negoeien]

Congrats on allt he effort blitzy.
As for requirements I would really sift so that it's possible to meet the requirements . Because all the above requirements some said taht are important or just to many.
So I would make a schort but good requirement list (about ten of them) that is possible to be met.
Anyways great job so far.

[Blitzaholic]

No one meets all of them requirements (as far as i know) so what exactly is required? A majority of them? Or all of them once the list has been reduced down or what?

Some of them are completely pointless, e.g. rating above 4.6 is anyone who will ever be considered lower than that?

I think this will be difficult to do fairly and there will always be people who claim bias in the jurors and criteria. May take a closer look later at the specific entries.

no one would have to meet all of them, but , a majority, yes. I just would like cc players to look at the list and choose which ones they think are more important.

[JOHNNYROCKET24]

Congrats on allt he effort blitzy.
As for requirements I would really sift so that it's possible to meet the requirements . Because all the above requirements some said taht are important or just to many.
So I would make a schort but good requirement list (about ten of them) that is possible to be met.
Anyways great job so far.

I think ALL might be too much but remember, this is for a selected few that will be selected yet to be determined in what time frame. If its once a month or 5 per year than I think we would want players that have atleast 98%.

[Blitzaholic]

Congrats on allt he effort blitzy.
As for requirements I would really sift so that it's possible to meet the requirements . Because all the above requirements some said taht are important or just to many.
So I would make a schort but good requirement list (about ten of them) that is possible to be met.
Anyways great job so far.

thanks, I know there is way too many, this is why it would be nice if some players posted the ones they think stick out or are more important. thx nego

[Witt13]

One thing that I thought of when I was looking this over... I'm going to use the example of baseball... You have specialists... Closers, Starting Pictures, Batters who hit for power, batters who hit for average, etc.

My point is... There aren't going to be people out there who "hit 60 homers a year, bat .340, AND have 60 saves and 200 innnings pitched." The HoF has the great players of each specialty... So I think some of these requirements are good base requirements for ALL inductees... But then you should also have specialty requirements that don't apply to all. I hope that makes sense... :s I can try rephrasing that again if you need me to.

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most agreed we need a respectable and impartial committee of juror's, 10, 12, 15, 20 in that ball park, also
the requirements that are needed to be a juror: 3 year membership min., Active on the forums, Daily attendance, Good knowledge of the site

I agree with the requirements! But I think we need to set a limit on how many. However, I think the limit should depend on HOW the HoFers are voted in. Meaning... Is it majority vote? In that case, we would probably want to have an odd amount of jury members, say 15. Or do they have to get 75% of the vote from the jury? So then 20 would be more appropriate.

Also, we have the requirements, but how do we determine who is on the jury? Should the community vote on that? Should people already in the HoF be on the jury in addition to those elected by the community? (if they are willing to put the time in)

several thought HOF Inductees should have 3 to 5 members a year, others 1 or 2 every 3 months, and yet, some others: once per month and felt this should occur before they retire and can be posted long after they retire as well

My feeling is we have an initial batch of 5-10ish members, but then from there on out induct 1-2 every 3 months.

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What I Fell Should Be The Base Requirements For ALL HoFers

3x good ratings of 4.5 or higher - Why not? It doesn't hurt to have a good rating.
3x sportsmanship mentioned and (ratings may show) - Kind of the same thing... Pretty much we want solid, respected players in the HoF.
2x premium status majority of time, how long exactly - 2+ years
11x longevity of 2 or 3 years - I think most people won't apply unless they've been here a while... But Just for the sake of it, I think it is good

^^^That is a pretty basic minimum requirements... But I think that is all required... Where we truly decide if someone is HoF worthy is in what they specialized in... Or how well rounded they were!

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Specialty Requirements - If Achieved, should be looked highly upon

3x high cross map ratio was mentioned, but we need a specific number? - Consider someone if they specialized by getting 5+ unique kills on ALL maps.
2x anyone that was ever a past conqueror - Maybe not an automatic HoF... But they should be VERY HIGHLY considered.
1x having a 65%+ win rate in doubles
1x having a 65%+ win rate in triples
1x having a 65%+ win rate in quads
1x over 55% win on 1 vs 1 games
3x won multiple tourney's (2 or more) - I'd say 15-20+ for it to be considered HoF worthy
2x made at least one list of 1st 5's and top 5's - Though sometimes you are at a disadvantage if you joined CC later than some people... Concerning the 1st 5's
4x being a part of CLA
4x being a mod
3x being a newsletter writer
2x being a newsletter interviewee
2x a mapmaker
2x a tournament organizer
3x receiving special contribution medal
2x unique defeats of at least 5,000 - If we are going to consider it a specialty... We have it higher than 5K.
2x forum contributors - The jury would just have to use their descresion to determine if they feel they truly contribute.

These aren't that specific... But they are areas to look at to see if someone has really stepped up and specialized to such an extent that they are HoF worthy...

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Gosh, I hoped that post made some sense... I may need to go over it again later... Consider this a rough draft.

[Blitzaholic]

ok all in CC, I sifted through of my massive pm's, all these posts in this thread, et cetera, this took over an exhausting 4 hours worth of time and over 100 something cc members replied in some form attempting to share what they deem worthy as being a possible Hall of Famer. I respect everyone's viewpoint and want to take everything all have said into consideration. Scanning through all, I took the time to compile a list, this again is a rough draft and I hope I did not miss anything, although if I did, please post it. It may be possible as I started getting tired after awhile. There was several things repeated and worded in different ways, others were very vague, and some were subjective, I will post them anyways and lump them into categories as time goes on based on what CC'ers feel. Again, there may be some repeats, just jotting them all down and we can go from there. Again, keeping adding to the lists if you see something.

1st:

most agreed we need a respectable and impartial committee of juror's, 11 to 15 in that ball park-odd number, also
the requirements that are needed to be a juror: 2 or 3 year membership min., Active on the forums, Daily attendance, Good knowledge of the site

2nd:

several thought HOF Inductees should have 3 to 5 members a year, others 1 or 2 every 3 months, and yet, some others: once per month and felt this should occur before they retire and can be posted long after they retire as well

3rd:

the complex criteria is overwhelming, but here goes:

11x high cross map ratio was mentioned with 100 to 125
14x achieving a score of 3000 to 3500 at some point during a players career
4x it was mentioned a player should be respectable or positive, how do we measure that? do the jurors use their judgement only?
4x good ratings of 4.5 or higher
9x having a 60% win ratio in teams
1x made all time top 100 score
1x a player set benchmark high or some sort
5x anyone that was ever a past conqueror
2x greasemonkey script
1x any player that strikes fear into your spine
2x good at multiple game types: example ass, dubs, trips, term, quads
2x premium status majority of time, how long exactly
3x won multiple tourney's (2 or more)
23x longevity of 2 or 3 years playing
2x versatile player, explain specifically?
11x having 25 to 35+ medals
3x having 22% to 25%+ win rate in 6 player singles, term, ass games
2x made at least one list of 1st 5's and top 5's
6x being a part of CLA
9x organized 3 to 5 successful tournaments
11x won a tournament or at least win multiple tourney's (2 or more)
4x being a mod
3x being a newsletter writer
2x being a newsletter interviewee
2x a minimum of bronze medals in 9 of the 12 categories
3x unique defeats of 2,000 minimum
2x 50% kill ratio
3x having a 20 game win streak plus
3x sportsmanship mentioned and (ratings may show?)
3x being involved in something more than just games on CC
1x all jurors have to agree for a player to get in
14x a score of 2500+ average score or higher
7x mentioned a player needing to be outstanding, excellent, awesome, exceptional of some sort, define that?
2x a decent rank, like what?
2x high score-set a benchmark, need to do this
2x achieving certain score, again, what?
4x inspires others
2x a coach, helpful to players, teaches them the game
2x silver medals achieved in all styles
10x designed 3 to 5 maps
15x receiving special contribution medal, contributing to CC more than just the game
2x score again-says set benchmark, need to establish
1x set a cc record of some sort
2x no busts or no cc bans
1x reached 1st page on the scoreboard at some point
2x unique defeats of at least 5,000
1x broke some kind of CC record
1x singles victories, what does this mean?
2x completed games, give me a number to work with?
1x highest place on scoreboard, can you be more specific?
1x unique defeats of 5k plus
1x over 55% win on 1 vs 1 games
2x mentioned of total victories, how many at minimum?
1x triples victories, again, how many?
2x mentioned being versed on different map, you mean cross maps, how many?
1x reached top 100 on scoreboard at some time
2x total wins, over 5k
1x having gold medals in 6 of 12
3x total wins with minimum score, Can you be more specific?
1x any player that makes you think or take longer in your turn based on their game play
1x 5,000 wins
1x 10,000 games played


ok, I again, need to scroll this again and merge some and tweak others, at least this compiles all the ideas in one post , geeeeez , still merging, junking and questioning things, thx, keep em coming, latest update now.

[Blitzaholic]

One thing that I thought of when I was looking this over... I'm going to use the example of baseball... You have specialists... Closers, Starting Pictures, Batters who hit for power, batters who hit for average, etc.

My point is... There aren't going to be people out there who "hit 60 homers a year, bat .340, AND have 60 saves and 200 innnings pitched." The HoF has the great players of each specialty... So I think some of these requirements are good base requirements for ALL inductees... But then you should also have specialty requirements that don't apply to all. I hope that makes sense... :s I can try rephrasing that again if you need me to.

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most agreed we need a respectable and impartial committee of juror's, 10, 12, 15, 20 in that ball park, also
the requirements that are needed to be a juror: 3 year membership min., Active on the forums, Daily attendance, Good knowledge of the site

I agree with the requirements! But I think we need to set a limit on how many. However, I think the limit should depend on HOW the HoFers are voted in. Meaning... Is it majority vote? In that case, we would probably want to have an odd amount of jury members, say 15. Or do they have to get 75% of the vote from the jury? So then 20 would be more appropriate.

Also, we have the requirements, but how do we determine who is on the jury? Should the community vote on that? Should people already in the HoF be on the jury in addition to those elected by the community? (if they are willing to put the time in)

several thought HOF Inductees should have 3 to 5 members a year, others 1 or 2 every 3 months, and yet, some others: once per month and felt this should occur before they retire and can be posted long after they retire as well

My feeling is we have an initial batch of 5-10ish members, but then from there on out induct 1-2 every 3 months.

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What I Fell Should Be The Base Requirements For ALL HoFers

3x good ratings of 4.5 or higher - Why not? It doesn't hurt to have a good rating.
3x sportsmanship mentioned and (ratings may show) - Kind of the same thing... Pretty much we want solid, respected players in the HoF.
2x premium status majority of time, how long exactly - 2+ years
11x longevity of 2 or 3 years - I think most people won't apply unless they've been here a while... But Just for the sake of it, I think it is good

^^^That is a pretty basic minimum requirements... But I think that is all required... Where we truly decide if someone is HoF worthy is in what they specialized in... Or how well rounded they were!

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Specialty Requirements - If Achieved, should be looked highly upon

3x high cross map ratio was mentioned, but we need a specific number? - Consider someone if they specialized by getting 5+ unique kills on ALL maps.
2x anyone that was ever a past conqueror - Maybe not an automatic HoF... But they should be VERY HIGHLY considered.
1x having a 65%+ win rate in doubles
1x having a 65%+ win rate in triples
1x having a 65%+ win rate in quads
1x over 55% win on 1 vs 1 games
3x won multiple tourney's (2 or more) - I'd say 15-20+ for it to be considered HoF worthy
2x made at least one list of 1st 5's and top 5's - Though sometimes you are at a disadvantage if you joined CC later than some people... Concerning the 1st 5's
4x being a part of CLA
4x being a mod
3x being a newsletter writer
2x being a newsletter interviewee
2x a mapmaker
2x a tournament organizer
3x receiving special contribution medal
2x unique defeats of at least 5,000 - If we are going to consider it a specialty... We have it higher than 5K.
2x forum contributors - The jury would just have to use their descresion to determine if they feel they truly contribute.

These aren't that specific... But they are areas to look at to see if someone has really stepped up and specialized to such an extent that they are HoF worthy...

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Gosh, I hoped that post made some sense... I may need to go over it again later... Consider this a rough draft. [/quote]

thx witt, I will re-look this over again and reread it all and add to the list.

One thing that I thought of when I was looking this over... I'm going to use the example of baseball... You have specialists... Closers, Starting Pictures, Batters who hit for power, batters who hit for average, etc.

My point is... There aren't going to be people out there who "hit 60 homers a year, bat .340, AND have 60 saves and 200 innnings pitched." The HoF has the great players of each specialty... So I think some of these requirements are good base requirements for ALL inductees... But then you should also have specialty requirements that don't apply to all. I hope that makes sense... :s I can try rephrasing that again if you need me to.

I think i knwo what you mean, but, could you clarify in some specifics that is CC related?

[Lindax]

I agree with Witt (and mentioned something similar earlier). We should have a short list of general minimum requirements to be considered and then use a bunch of others to decide who gets in that month/quarter/year.

Sorry Blitz, no time now to sift through your list of criteria....

Lx

[TheOtherOne]

Most of the "criteria" that has been offered thus far should not be understood as "criteria," but rather as suggestions for what the jurors ought to take into consideration when purposing to induct someone in to the hall of fame. The actual criteria must be simple, non-complex, and broad. The rest should be up to the jurors. For if we have many specific criteria we will continue to have the disunity that we have right now. Lets establish 5-8 standers that a candidate must meet before being considered, and then let us establish rules for how the jurors will be voting.

hope this helps.

[the.killing.44]

You know what? Someone a couple pages back said that there shouldn't be criteria, and that we jurors should just bring up applicants. I think I like that idea, and we can each internally have some standard of greatness.