[Unofficial] HALL OF FAME

[Beckytheblondie]

I firmly believe that all players in the HoF should have accomplished all of the following:

Have met Carrot top (and maybe is often confused for Carrot top?)
Have +10,000 points (Field Marshal) accumulated on Freestyle
Didn't know what a tampon was until he/she was 20 years old
Won a competition in the third grade for quickly singing the alphabet backwards!
Can multitask: Picks nose and wins a freestyle game simultaneously.
Is foed by over 30 players. (Inherent to the Law of Becky: If you're good, some must hate you...if you're reallly good, a lot must hate you)
Has at least 528 posts.
Has dated two or more conquerclubbers.

These should be the minimum requirements, IMO
Please add them to the first post

[Foxglove]

It's not my fault I fit almost all the criteria or requirements that many have mentioned. Fruit and Chip you both really need to work on your jealousy issues. Post some ideas on what you both think are helpful for a player to be considered into the HoF, rather than glorifying me and I can add the tally, an update is coming out soon.

Well, speaking of glorifying you...

you know what i think?

i think we should eschew this lame duck hall of fame concept in favor of a model of reverence more akin to mt rushmore.

on the home page we erect a mountain of statues of the "cc greats", or "holy forebears". there would be say 4 forebears anointed to such cc greatness, or...

say if we agreed that 1 forebear stood out amongst all others, then we would just erect 4 statues of that cc hero, let's say, merely for arguments sake, 'blitzaholic', onto the mountain, and have each gaze upon the others admiringly.

and perhaps an odd sticky substance would ooze down the mountainside.

I really think there should be 5 statues involved in this self-love monument.

[Blitzaholic]

yes, we all had a good laugh on that one foxy wonder who the other 4 would be?

[Blitzaholic]

If CC ever decided to have a Hall of Fame, what do players think the criteria should be?

I was thinking like sports: stats, longevity as being two of them? Also took the suggestions of CC players ideas into consideration. We need 12 to 15 Jurors and 2 committee's and some reserves, a poll will be provided later by Master Fenrir, revamp # 40 and put close to 13 hours in collecting data..

I say CC needs a Hall of Fame, gives players something ultimate to shoot for. Here are some of the factors that many on CC would say to keep in mind when reviewing potential candidates:

Here are some questions the 1st panel of juror's can ask themselves to help with decision making on selecting potential inductees:

1) Has the player played close to 3 years or more on this site?
2) Is the player a good sport and or have a respectable reputation?
3) Has the player ever reached 3000+ points?
3a) If no, what was the highest point level reached?
4) Has the player ever been Conquerer?
5) Has the player been a premium member at least 2 years?
6) Has the player ever been a site worker, map maker, in CLA, and or a programmer of some kind?
7) Has the player organized and won any tournaments?
Has the player contributed more to CC then just the game?
9) Is the player versatile and skilled in different game types and maps?
10) Is the player outstanding, excellent, awesome, exceptional of some sort in gaming?
11) Has the player ever been banned from CC or involved in cheating?
12) Has the player inspired others and or a coach-mentor, helpful to players, teaches them the game

These are what CC community shared were base requirements for ALL Hall of Famers.

1st:

most agreed we need Two respectable and impartial committee of juror's, 11 to 15 in each panel, an-odd number for both and that a User Group is provided for them to have privacy to vote. 1st group of jurors to scout talent and select potential inductees, the 2nd panel of Jurors to vote on which ones would make it or not from the selections, decide when to announce them in public and to choose how often this will occur. The 1st group of jurors was handpicked coupled with some volunteers with respectable reputations, the 2nd group of jurors will be voted on by CC members.

2nd:

the overall average thought HOF Inductees should have maybe 7 to 10 selections where 3 to 5 could be inducted every 6 months. 2/3rd's or 67% (10 of the 15) jurors from the 2nd committee.


3rd:

The suggested guidelines by many CC'ers felt these were fair criteria:

1. LONGEVITY: 29x there was mention of a CC player having to have played on the site 30 to 36 months or close to 3 years to be eligible.

2. SPORTSMANSHIP: 21x this was mentioned, basically we want solid, respected players in the HoF. (ratings of 4.5 or higher may be a measurable outcome, although it could be argued as subjective)

3. PREMIUM: 14x the view was shared, that a CC player would need to have been premium member 2+ years.



^^^Those are the basic minimum requirements..... Where we truly decide if someone is HoF worthy is in what they specialized in... Or how well rounded they were as listed below!

Strongly suggested criteria guidelines or Specialty Requirements - If Achieved, should be looked highly upon to help jurors reach challenging decisions! No one would have to meet all of them, however, the more achieved, the easier the choice may be.

29x agreed receiving the special contribution medal, contributing to CC more than just the game
26x agreed on achieving a score of 3000+ at some point during a players career
24x agreed on high cross map ratio was mentioned with 110 (average collected) with 5+ unique kills on the map
21x agreed on a player having 30+ medals-shows some versatility
17x designed 3 to 5 successful maps
17x agreed on tournaments won (5 or more)
16x agreed on organized 5 successful tournaments
15x agreed on mentioning of total victories, 5,000 plus
15x agreed on having a 60% to 65%+ win ratio in team games
14x agreed on score of 2500+ average score or higher
10x agreed on reaching gold in medals in 7 of the 12 categories (or a majority)
9x agreed unique defeats of 5,000+
9x agreed on being a part of CLA
9x agreed broke or set records high to make it more challenging for others to break
9x agreed anyone that was ever a conqueror
8x agreed on being a mod
6x agreed being a newsletter writer
5x agreed played a total of 10,000 games or more
4x agreed being a programmer of some kind
4x agreed made at least one of 1st 5's and top 5's list
4x agreed being a newsletter interviewee
4x agreed made the Top 100 or 1st page of the scoreboard
3x agreed having 22% to 25%+ win rate in 6 player singles, term, ass games
3x agreed no busts or bans/cheating
3x agreed having a 20 game win streak plus
3x agreed over 55% win on 1 vs 1 games
3x agreed SoC
2x agreed 50% kill ratio

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These may or may not be that specific... But they are areas to look at to see if someone has really stepped up and specialized to such an extent that they are HoF worthy...

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Continue to merge more and tweak others to SIMPLIFY this for future jurors, Goal: to make list smaller and simpler.

I think that there should be a new icon designed for them who make the CC Hall of Fame. If they have made it to the Hall of Fame, it would give that player his due recognition if you ask me, some fancy medal of some sort.

Respectfully, Blitzaholic

Is this a little better or making some improvements?

[Blitzaholic]

Really believe that we would need some input from the admins if we are truly trying to get these "committees" to be right and just. I do respect Blitz's judgement on picking honest and high-standing jurors for this, but feel the public would feel it skewed if it were made entirely of this. I know that Lack and Andy have been around long enough to know some respectable people on this site (such as Wachica mentioned earlier?) that would be able to balance out the decision making process.

Again, we really need to focus on the basics of this before we start appointing positions and throwing nominations out. The criticisms coming out of this are really the best thing for its hopes, as we wouldnt want this corrupted after its put into place. Be sure to mention these things to anyone so more ideas can keep coming in, because as mentioned earlier its not just the forum users that should be subjected to this.

Thanks a lot Gold Knight. For all on CC and or who visit this forum, all I was trying to do was something good for CC.

Some of you had some fun and may of thought this was all about me, but, it truly was not, this idea was for CC. Perhaps I went about this the wrong way, and for that I am deeply sorry, but, my intentions were good. I really want to thank all of you, constructive criticism and positive feedback. If we could all join together and help with the latest update posted above, I think we can work from there.

I added many of your suggestions and 2 Jurors of 15. I agree we need Andy, Lack, and or Wacicha with some others who would like to be on the other voting panel of jurors. We MUST find out if they would be willing to????? If others have some recommendations, please post their names and I could do a poll soon and have the CC community vote on the 2 panel of jurors. Fair?

The first 15 are set and basically choose players that are eligible and appropriate meeting the base requirements, let's say they choose 10, boom, then the 2nd committee would privately vote on those 10 and I was thinking a majority would get a player in, 8 of 15 say yes or would you all want 2/3's 10 of 15? We also would need a user group forum for discussion. I would like to be involved some how considering I put in a lot of the work, and I feel I have a pretty good history of the site and most of the players on it and would be fair and honest. However, if many did not want me on, that would be ok as well.

Finally, I think if any member of the juror's from either committee is up for election, then they would need to be off the panel and find a temporary replacement. What do others feel about this?

[Bruceswar]

I all have to add to this convo is... Seriously? ***YAWN***

[lokisgal]

Some of you had some fun and may of thought this was all about me, but, it truly was not, this idea was for CC. Perhaps I went about this the wrong way, and for that I am deeply sorry, but, my intentions were good. ?

Its always all about you Blitz - just like all your other threads - ME ME ME Look at MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE


Lacking something in your real life?

[Serbia]

All right, I was asked to give my two cents on this thread. So here goes. To start with, I'm going to post two comments from nearly 3 years ago which I feel are worth reading.

I don't like this idea at all. Smacks of elitism to me.
Everyone knows the ranks and scores are a joke - its really just manipulation of the games that leads to most of the top scorers ranks. Triples doubles anyone?
As for the forums - who needs a hall of fame for that? If you’re about the social lounge a lot you will already know who’s who and have your friends and people you respect.
The map makers (and the critics that help refine them) I completely agree deserved to be praised, they make a lasting contribution to the site.
There are also many posers in the general discussion thread that contribute greatly to the refinement of the game by working on the probability and odds of various parts of the game.
Hall of fame though? No. No need, people know who they respect and no amount of pats on the back from a self proclaimed cartel of "elite players" will change that.

I was asked to comment on this idea, and I think this quote sums up my feelings about the idea as well. If you really want a Hall of Fame, do something similar to Robinette and make threads showing how great you are, but honestly I don't like the idea of an "official" Hall of Fame because it just wouldn't be accurate.
There are lots of great players that never get noticed because they just play the game, and never post on the forum. I just think that the only players that would ever get mentioned are the players that hang out here in the forum and basically nominate themselves by creating threads like this.

In short, I agree.

To expand on it... I have no interest whatsoever in this ridiculous excuse to further trumpet one's own horn. This is a popularity contest, it's an ego trip, it's all about one particular individual and their quest for immortality ON A FLIPPING ONLINE GAME SITE. The whole idea is not about recognizing anyone outside of a little exclusive club. I don't qualify for this nonsense, nor do I ever aspire to. And I hope being banned excludes you from consideration, because I can proudly wear that feather of one who can never qualify regardless of what I 'accomplish' on this site.

Blitz. Yes, you're a good player. Yes, you were Conqueror, you've won medals, and games, and tourneys, and whatever, blah blah blah, you have your little lists, you have the adoration of geeks (let's face it, we're all geeks in here) but come on man, this is just another way that you can stand out and be awesome. This is yet another cleverly disguised example of your self-centeredness and self-importance. A few people in here get it. Fruitcake, awesome yet again, props. Some people just want in, and don't care to see it for what it is, others are kids who are easily blinded by someone being exceptionally good at a game, and others just marvel at the time and energy you spend on this site. The thing is, you only spend this energy to promote your own greatness. You want a Hall Of Fame so YOU can be in it. Sure, there will be others, people you consider to be your peers, and you can all have your own little festivals in your own honor, but really, it's about you and your love obsession with yourself.

I've been exceedingly frank, some might say brutal, others that I haven't gone far enough. Whatever, I decided to speak my mind. I'm totally against this whole idea. Let's just have fun on a game site, eh? This is all such silliness. "has to play tournaments" "has to win one tournament" "has to be conqueror" "has to have a high rank" Just stop. Stop. It's an embarrassment. Wake up people, see this for what it's worth. Read Fruitcake's post breaking Blitz down.

IT IS AN EGO TRIP. I'm totally against ANY hall of fame relating to playing the game. You want to have a little list somewhere for map makers, mods, current and former, people who actually do something in some official category on the site, I can live with that. But a hall for players, screw that. It's ridiculous.

[Blitzaholic]

lol, guys, ok, so there is some of you that do not like the idea, yet there are many others that do, you all are entitled to your own opinion of course. Some of you keep thinking this is about me maybe because I was the author, but, I asked you all and many others to find suggestions for a player to be eligible for the the Hall of Fame, a lot of you did and they are listed. The Hall of Fame speaks of elites you say? Yes, so what? In a lot of games, sports, that is what the Hall of Fame is for. Some play this site for fun, others because they are bored, some because they are competitive, and yet others because they aspire to be great or have passion for the game, etc. I like stats, always have, I keep track of them in many sports, all time lists. I just think they are neat, it is good history. I also changed it up add others suggestions. The CC already has a Hall of Fame in a sense in the Tournament section for tourney players, so, why not one for the players? Why not one for the clans, why not one for site workers or helpers? Why not one overall? I am just trying to help the site and it is good business to implement this in my view. CC can be looked at like a job, if you are dedicated and excel at jobs, you get promoted and rewarded, same in sports and should be same here.

[Bruceswar]

"CC can be looked at like a job" <--- Damn I wish I could get paid to play CC.

[lokisgal]

lol, guys, ok, so there is some of you that do not like the idea, yet there are many others that do, you all are entitled to your own opinion of course. Some of you keep thinking this is about me maybe because I was the author, but, I asked you all and many others to find suggestions for a player to be eligible for the the Hall of Fame, a lot of you did and they are listed. The Hall of Fame speaks of elites you say? Yes, so what? In a lot of games, sports, that is what the Hall of Fame is for. Some play this site for fun, others because they are bored, some because they are competitive, and yet others because they aspire to be great or have passion for the game, etc. I like stats, always have, I keep track of them in many sports, all time lists. I just think they are neat, it is good history. I also changed it up add others suggestions. The CC already has a Hall of Fame in a sense in the Tournament section for tourney players, so, why not one for the players? Why not one for the clans, why not one for site workers or helpers? Why not one overall? I am just trying to help the site and it is good business to implement this in my view. CC can be looked at like a job, if you are dedicated and excel at jobs, you get promoted and rewarded, same in sports and should be same here.

Maybe its not the idea we dont like Maybe we are all just sick and tired of you thinking of new ways to stroke yourself via an online game.
Heres a thought for you
Anyone on the committee IS NOT eligible for nomination to Blitz's hall of fame.

This really had nothing to with CC -OMG wait you have more medals then me that must mean youre a better player or hmm
maybe it means that you need something in your life to make you feel important. Do I care? Do most of us on here care? That its an online game really makes me feel bit sorry for you. And then I wake up and realized that you created your own delusions of grandeur. This is not a job for you - supposedly you have one - Suggest you put as much time and effort into thats and perhaps you wont need this game to make you feel so "special"
Seems like a classic case of The emperor has no clothes!!!!!

[Master Fenrir]

Finally, I think if any member of the juror's from either committee is up for election, then they would need to be off the panel and find a temporary replacement. What do others feel about this?

I agree 100%.

[Blitzaholic]

loki you are on my Foe, I can't read anything you say and really have nothing to say to you for your dishonesty in the past. You simply cannot be trusted and have too much drama for me to engage in.

"CC can be looked at like a job" <--- Damn I wish I could get paid to play CC.

I said it can be looked at like a job, meaning some players put a lot of hours and time into playing, you may not get paid, but, you could be rewarded in other way for your labor if you excel at it. Usually in life, anyone that excels in something is rewarded somehow.

ok Master Fenrir, would you mind doing the honors of starting the new thread with a poll explaining this?

Slacker. Wrapping up work right now. Tonight I'll work up a first post, PM it to you to double-check that I've included everything that needs to be included, and then post it once I get your go ahead. Cool?

ok, thx, or maybe some time this afternoon.

Just hurry up and vote me in, I could do with the cheque

This speaks of elitism comic and it is forbidden by some you know.

[lokisgal]

blitz if you want to speak of dishonesty -gladly I have everything saved in a special spot in case you would like to see it again. though I really hate to stoop to your level. Seriously you saying that about me is really funny esp coming from you
I about fell off my chair laughing when I read that

You can certainly read what I say all you have to do is click the little box if you werent reading it you wouldnt make such a silly and childish comment you so very very transparent.

Did I push a button? I hope so. Youre a bully blitz and sadly youre going to find out that many many people on this site think so. Im not at all intimidated by you. - CC really isnt all about YOU I promise.

SO SHHHHHHH before you open a can of worms you dont want to.

By the way since youre a therapist or claim to be why dont you tell us what kind of personality disorder likes to bully people in an on line came and needs to find ways to make them feel important on one as well.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_o ... 2183ee5808

theres a lovely link for you For those of you to lazy to click its entitled
"The relationship between online game addiction and aggression, self-control and narcissistic personality traits "

Now for a while and maybe you will get back some of the respect you had from established players on this site

[AndyDufresne]

We've long wanted more Scoreboards, Trophy Cases, and Hall of Fames on Conquer Club (and hopefully in 2010 we can make some concerted efforts toward one or more of those ideas).

Specifically regarding this idea, it would probably be best started and run through the users---think the Newsletter model. In essence, the best thing to do would be to work out something the majority of people participating in the discussion can come to an agreement on, and work towards building it like the Newsletters built themselves up from the bottom up.

A Hall of Fame is definitely an interesting idea, and we'll continue to watch as you, the community, develop your plans and ideas.


--Andy

[Blitzaholic]

A Hall of Fame is definitely an interesting idea, and we'll continue to watch as you, the community, develop your plans and ideas.


--Andy

thx Andy, we are trying to accomplish something of this, maybe we can ask georgerx7di to come in here since he has some newsletter experience.

[Fruitcake]

lol, guys, ok, so there is some of you that do not like the idea, yet there are many others that do, you all are entitled to your own opinion of course. Some of you keep thinking this is about me maybe because I was the author, but, I asked you all and many others to find suggestions for a player to be eligible for the the Hall of Fame, a lot of you did and they are listed. The Hall of Fame speaks of elites you say? Yes, so what? In a lot of games, sports, that is what the Hall of Fame is for. Some play this site for fun, others because they are bored, some because they are competitive, and yet others because they aspire to be great or have passion for the game, etc. I like stats, always have, I keep track of them in many sports, all time lists. I just think they are neat, it is good history. I also changed it up add others suggestions. The CC already has a Hall of Fame in a sense in the Tournament section for tourney players, so, why not one for the players? Why not one for the clans, why not one for site workers or helpers? Why not one overall? I am just trying to help the site and it is good business to implement this in my view. CC can be looked at like a job, if you are dedicated and excel at jobs, you get promoted and rewarded, same in sports and should be same here.

Sigh...you still don't get it do you blitz.

It's not that the idea is bad, it is a great idea. It is the implementation that is causing the problem. I (for one) don't think that as the author this is about you, however, you ignore the basic rules of all such plans and that is the definitive split on responsibilities, this is what I have always said. The people who design the rules cannot and must not be the same people who apply those rules. To do otherwise creates an incestuous relationship which reduces the status of any recognition to that of nothing more than one pal slapping the other pal on the back.

Once again, in the desperate hope you may just read slowly and take in the message I shall repeat my previous posts....

You need two distinct sets of people. Those who form a committee to distil and decide the rules of engagement. They decide in private, offer to the general population, receive the ideas, trends, thoughts etc of the population and return to refine the rules based upon what has been said. Once this is done, they issue the format rules to an elected Jury and disband for their job is now complete.

The Jurors task is now made simple with as much subjectivity taken out as possible in that their task is to carry out the awards based upon the set rules and guidelines created by a different set of people.

The requirements of characteristic for the two groups are completely separate. The former (rules deciding committee) need to be those who can think through a situation, distil ideas, produce a template for others to follow and are able to discuss this all. The Jurors are more of a populous type. They can (and in my opinion should) be elected by the general population.

I am saddened you choose to ignore time and again what is glaringly obvious. You choose, instead, to avoid responding to anything which does not fit into your construct and prefer to come up with asinine comments suggesting Chip and I have a jealousy regarding you. Believe me Blitz (and I really mean this with respect) you are truly the very last person I could ever have any envy for.

Now for crying out loud, allow the reins to loosen from the ham fisted grip you have them in and do the job properly. Otherwise you will continue to be seen, ultimately, as a caricature of a dim individual who is unable to delegate due to being afraid of relinquishing authority. To just keep responding with ‘lol’, ignoring the very pertinent questions being asked and only repeating those suggestions that suit you only serves to make this whole thing more and more of a laughing stock!

Lastly, and I am desperately offering some kind of olive branch to you here, please understand, this is not, repeat not, a personal attack (which bizarrely you seem to think) but solid advice. Furthermore, there is no reason why you should not chair one or other of the groups (it would be most unwise to think you can do both). Why not see yourself in the Chair of the first committee deciding the rules so you go down in the annals of cc history as the Father of all this??? Better that than the guy who came up with a great idea and then screwed it up because he wouldn’t delegate to others with the skills required.

[HighlanderAttack]

I must say I have my disagreements with Blitz from time to time. So what if a lot of what he does has his name on it. I personally love statistics and enjoy the lists he puts out. It is a ton of work. If he didn't do it maybe someone else would. There is a lot of hating going on here and I don't think it is necessary. So what if Blitz toots his own horn a bit. He has accomplished a lot on CC and deserves it if you ask me. I think it is great what he does. I think he is a great player. I think he takes a lot of abuse and has some thick skin. If you hate on me I would just tell you to _______ off. He takes it for the most part so I have to give him props on that.

This is a great idea that everyone will not agree on. I hope Blitz follows through with it. Really there is no question weather he will make it anyway so I don't even see a big deal with him running it and following through with it.

Keep up the great work Blitz and don't worry about the haters.

[Blitzaholic]

lol, guys, ok, so there is some of you that do not like the idea, yet there are many others that do, you all are entitled to your own opinion of course. Some of you keep thinking this is about me maybe because I was the author, but, I asked you all and many others to find suggestions for a player to be eligible for the the Hall of Fame, a lot of you did and they are listed. The Hall of Fame speaks of elites you say? Yes, so what? In a lot of games, sports, that is what the Hall of Fame is for. Some play this site for fun, others because they are bored, some because they are competitive, and yet others because they aspire to be great or have passion for the game, etc. I like stats, always have, I keep track of them in many sports, all time lists. I just think they are neat, it is good history. I also changed it up add others suggestions. The CC already has a Hall of Fame in a sense in the Tournament section for tourney players, so, why not one for the players? Why not one for the clans, why not one for site workers or helpers? Why not one overall? I am just trying to help the site and it is good business to implement this in my view. CC can be looked at like a job, if you are dedicated and excel at jobs, you get promoted and rewarded, same in sports and should be same here.

It's not that the idea is bad, it is a great idea.

It is the implementation that is causing the problem. I (for one) don't think that as the author this is about you, however, you ignore the basic rules of all such plans and that is the definitive split on responsibilities, this is what I have always said. The people who design the rules cannot and must not be the same people who apply those rules. To do otherwise creates an incestuous relationship which reduces the status of any recognition to that of nothing more than one pal slapping the other pal on the back.

Once again, in the desperate hope you may just read slowly and take in the message I shall repeat my previous posts....

You need two distinct sets of people. Those who form a committee to distil and decide the rules of engagement. They decide in private, offer to the general population, receive the ideas, trends, thoughts etc of the population and return to refine the rules based upon what has been said. Once this is done, they issue the format rules to an elected Jury and disband for their job is now complete.

The Jurors task is now made simple with as much subjectivity taken out as possible in that their task is to carry out the awards based upon the set rules and guidelines created by a different set of people.

The requirements of characteristic for the two groups are completely separate. The former (rules deciding committee) need to be those who can think through a situation, distil ideas, produce a template for others to follow and are able to discuss this all. The Jurors are more of a populous type. They can (and in my opinion should) be elected by the general population.


Now for crying out loud, allow the reins to loosen from the ham fisted grip you have them in and do the job properly. Otherwise you will continue to be seen, ultimately, as a caricature of a dim individual who is unable to delegate due to being afraid of relinquishing authority. To just keep responding with ‘lol’, ignoring the very pertinent questions being asked and only repeating those suggestions that suit you only serves to make this whole thing more and more of a laughing stock!

Lastly, and I am desperately offering some kind of olive branch to you here, please understand, this is not, repeat not, a personal attack (which bizarrely you seem to think) but solid advice. Furthermore, there is no reason why you should not chair one or other of the groups (it would be most unwise to think you can do both). Why not see yourself in the Chair of the first committee deciding the rules so you go down in the annals of cc history as the Father of all this??? Better that than the guy who came up with a great idea and then screwed it up because he wouldn’t delegate to others with the skills required.

I thought I took your suggestion fruitcake? Adding 2 committee's of 15, right? one is here, and the other is going to be a cc poll that master fenrir will post soon that cc'ers can vote on. Did I miss something else? Like I said in previous posts, I do not care if I am chair or not, matters none to me, I can stay off both panels, I am more concerned of having a hall of fame installed, matters none to me if I am on it or not. Is there something else you would suggest add, I am holding the olive branch you extended, and I am pleased to hear you think this is a great idea. Perhaps, I misunderstood a post you made? what would you like to see changed here fruitcake?

If CC ever decided to have a Hall of Fame, what do players think the criteria should be?

I was thinking like sports: stats, longevity as being two of them? Also took the suggestions of CC players ideas into consideration. We need 12 to 15 Jurors and 2 committee's and some reserves, a poll will be provided later by Master Fenrir, revamp # 40 and put close to 13 hours in collecting data..

I say CC needs a Hall of Fame, gives players something ultimate to shoot for. Here are some of the factors that many on CC would say to keep in mind when reviewing potential candidates:

Here are some questions the 1st panel of juror's can ask themselves to help with decision making on selecting potential inductees:

1) Has the player played close to 3 years or more on this site?
2) Is the player a good sport and or have a respectable reputation?
3) Has the player ever reached 3000+ points?
3a) If no, what was the highest point level reached?
4) Has the player ever been Conquerer?
5) Has the player been a premium member at least 2 years?
6) Has the player ever been a site worker, map maker, in CLA, and or a programmer of some kind?
7) Has the player organized and won any tournaments?
Has the player contributed more to CC then just the game?
9) Is the player versatile and skilled in different game types and maps?
10) Is the player outstanding, excellent, awesome, exceptional of some sort in gaming?
11) Has the player ever been banned from CC or involved in cheating?
12) Has the player inspired others and or a coach-mentor, helpful to players, teaches them the game

These are what CC community shared were base requirements for ALL Hall of Famers.

1st:

most agreed we need Two respectable and impartial committee of juror's, 11 to 15 in each panel, an-odd number for both and that a User Group is provided for them to have privacy to vote. 1st group of jurors to scout talent and select potential inductees, the 2nd panel of Jurors to vote on which ones would make it or not from the selections, decide when to announce them in public and to choose how often this will occur. The 1st group of jurors was handpicked coupled with some volunteers with respectable reputations, the 2nd group of jurors will be voted on by CC members.

2nd:

the overall average thought HOF Inductees should have maybe 7 to 10 selections where 3 to 5 could be inducted every 6 months. 2/3rd's or 67% (10 of the 15) jurors from the 2nd committee.


3rd:

The suggested guidelines by many CC'ers felt these were fair criteria:

1. LONGEVITY: 29x there was mention of a CC player having to have played on the site 30 to 36 months or close to 3 years to be eligible.

2. SPORTSMANSHIP: 21x this was mentioned, basically we want solid, respected players in the HoF. (ratings of 4.5 or higher may be a measurable outcome, although it could be argued as subjective)

3. PREMIUM: 14x the view was shared, that a CC player would need to have been premium member 2+ years.



^^^Those are the basic minimum requirements..... Where we truly decide if someone is HoF worthy is in what they specialized in... Or how well rounded they were as listed below!

Strongly suggested criteria guidelines or Specialty Requirements - If Achieved, should be looked highly upon to help jurors reach challenging decisions! No one would have to meet all of them, however, the more achieved, the easier the choice may be.

29x agreed receiving the special contribution medal, contributing to CC more than just the game
26x agreed on achieving a score of 3000+ at some point during a players career
24x agreed on high cross map ratio was mentioned with 110 (average collected) with 5+ unique kills on the map
21x agreed on a player having 30+ medals-shows some versatility
17x designed 3 to 5 successful maps
17x agreed on tournaments won (5 or more)
16x agreed on organized 5 successful tournaments
15x agreed on mentioning of total victories, 5,000 plus
15x agreed on having a 60% to 65%+ win ratio in team games
14x agreed on score of 2500+ average score or higher
10x agreed on reaching gold in medals in 7 of the 12 categories (or a majority)
9x agreed unique defeats of 5,000+
9x agreed on being a part of CLA
9x agreed broke or set records high to make it more challenging for others to break
9x agreed anyone that was ever a conqueror
8x agreed on being a mod
6x agreed being a newsletter writer
5x agreed played a total of 10,000 games or more
4x agreed being a programmer of some kind
4x agreed made at least one of 1st 5's and top 5's list
4x agreed being a newsletter interviewee
4x agreed made the Top 100 or 1st page of the scoreboard
3x agreed having 22% to 25%+ win rate in 6 player singles, term, ass games
3x agreed no busts or bans/cheating
3x agreed having a 20 game win streak plus
3x agreed over 55% win on 1 vs 1 games
3x agreed SoC
2x agreed 50% kill ratio

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These may or may not be that specific... But they are areas to look at to see if someone has really stepped up and specialized to such an extent that they are HoF worthy...

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Continue to merge more and tweak others to SIMPLIFY this for future jurors, Goal: to make list smaller and simpler.

I think that there should be a new icon designed for them who make the CC Hall of Fame. If they have made it to the Hall of Fame, it would give that player his due recognition if you ask me, some fancy medal of some sort.

Respectfully, Blitzaholic

Is this a little better or making some improvements?

[Fruitcake]

Then you must start organising a committee to meet in a private part of the forum Blitz. I suggest you task in the following way:

1) Ask Andy/Admin to proffer some suggestions as to whom they think should be on the list (whilst asking them to set up the forum area)
2) See if those people will serve on said committee
3) Create the thread in the area with all the multitude of ideas
4) Set the ball rolling on discussion
5) Act as liaison between ideas coming in from the general populous and the committee (in that you act as the conduit for those ideas)
6) Appoint a Chair in the committee who is able to keep the distilled list updated for proffering to the forum as a whole at a future SET date (otherwise it will go on for ever)

Caveat: Should there not be enough willing to serve on said committee, you will then need a list of reserves (not Juror reserves, this would be different)

[Blitzaholic]

Then you must start organising a committe to meet in a private part of the forum Blitz. I suggest you task in the following way:

1) Ask Andy/Admin to proffer some suggestions as to whom they think should be on the list (whilst asking them to set up the forum area)
2) See if those people will serve on said committe
3) Create the thread in the area with all the multitude of ideas
4) Set the ball rolling on discussion
5) Act as liason between ideas coming in from the gerneral populous and the committe (in that you act as the conduit for those ideas)
6) Appoint a Chair in the committe who is able to keep the distilled list updated for proffering to the forum as a whole at a future SET date (otherwise it wil go on for ever)

Caveat: Should there not be enough willing to serve on said committe, you will then need a list of reserves (not Juror reserves, this would be different)

this is what we have been trying to do the whole time, master fenrir will create a poll soon and post, we can go there as well. this is not the finalized product, we are in the process of trying to finish it, so, just making sure what we have so far is pretty fair, reasonable and respected by many. I took a lot of the suggestions and spent closer to about 15 hours now taking everyone's considerations in and posting them all even some of the haters. The fact that andy and lack think it is a great idea, means this will happen eventually, so, hop on board and help me out or ignore the thread. I will remain open and work as a liason.

I must say I have my disagreements with Blitz from time to time. So what if a lot of what he does has his name on it. I personally love statistics and enjoy the lists he puts out. It is a ton of work. If he didn't do it maybe someone else would. There is a lot of hating going on here and I don't think it is necessary. So what if Blitz toots his own horn a bit. He has accomplished a lot on CC and deserves it if you ask me. I think it is great what he does. I think he is a great player. I think he takes a lot of abuse and has some thick skin. If you hate on me I would just tell you to _______ off. He takes it for the most part so I have to give him props on that.

This is a great idea that everyone will not agree on. I hope Blitz follows through with it. Really there is no question weather he will make it anyway so I don't even see a big deal with him running it and following through with it.

Keep up the great work Blitz and don't worry about the haters.

Thx HA, I can understand some of their frustration, so trying to be open and compromise to find a fair solution, the guidelines of criteria is much much better now then what we originally had and this is due to all the input cc'ers have made, so I thank you all for your time and efforts, the negative and positive outlooks. I rather focus on the solutions than the problems. If cc did not have a scoreboard, I would of probably suggested it and took some heat for that as well. Let's just bad together to make this work and if you dislike it, that is fine, just ignore the thread.

[Master Fenrir]

By the power vested in me by Blitzaholic and the Nevada Gaming Commission, I hereby bring you this thread.

As many of you know, there is an effort to create a CC Hall of Fame. Thus far, it has been generally accepted that should the Hall of Fame be made official, there would be 2 committees needed to do this: one committee to select and nominate players into the Hall of Fame, and a second committee of judges to cast their votes on those players nominated.

This thread is to seek out those who would like to volunteer for the Selection Committee.

If you are somehow unfamiliar with this idea, please spend 9 hours reading this thread: viewtopic.php?f=6&t=17459

This thread will stay open for approximately 5 days. Once that time has ended, the names of all volunteers will be gathered and entered into a poll for all of the CC community to vote on. (I ended that sentence with a preposition. So bad.) The top 15 vote-recipients will be accepted to the Selection Committee.

The only people ineligible for the Selection Committee are those who have already been picked as judges.

HOWEVER, before deciding to volunteer, you need to consider the responsibilities of your role on this committee:

1. The ability to work well in a group, specifically the other members of the Selection Committee.
2. Time and effort spent researching old games, threads, and clan wars in search of “old” talent and past performance.
3. Statistical analysis. The ability to use Map Rank is highly encouraged.
4. The ability to competently match a player with a set of requirements & criteria.

show: Current working requirements and criteria

5. Possibly alter and modify the requirements and criteria based on the opinion of the CC general public.

If you feel that you are capable of competently performing the above tasks, please feel free to volunteer yourself for the Selection Committee, and the CC general public will vote on you in a few days.

No discussion here, please. Please post in the above linked topic if you wish to discuss this.

NOW, WHO WOULD LIKE TO VOLUNTEER FOR THE HALL OF FAME SELECTION COMMITTEE?

[Master Fenrir]

Ok, I posted the thread for you, Blitz.

To everybody, please keep in mind that I am not a judge. I was asked to gather the volunteers and create the poll, and I accepted because I agree with Fruitcake that this idea has the potential to be great. I'm essentially just a typist and data gatherer here.

[Blitzaholic]

Then you must start organising a committee to meet in a private part of the forum Blitz. I suggest you task in the following way:

1) Ask Andy/Admin to proffer some suggestions as to whom they think should be on the list (whilst asking them to set up the forum area)
2) See if those people will serve on said committee
3) Create the thread in the area with all the multitude of ideas
4) Set the ball rolling on discussion
5) Act as liaison between ideas coming in from the general populous and the committee (in that you act as the conduit for those ideas)
6) Appoint a Chair in the committee who is able to keep the distilled list updated for proffering to the forum as a whole at a future SET date (otherwise it will go on for ever) Why not see yourself in the Chair of the first committee deciding the rules so you go down in the annals of cc history as the Father of all this?

Caveat: Should there not be enough willing to serve on said committee, you will then need a list of reserves (not Juror reserves, this would be different)

here is the thread for organizing the 2nd committee, if andy or admin or what mods, or anyone wants to post in here for interest, super. I think we need to get another panel of 15 before we open up a private user group. 1st things 1st. It don't matter to me as much if I am considered the father of this or If I am the chair fruitcake, it is more important to me that a Hall of Fame is highly considered for the community. I do not need to be directly involved, I can act as a liaison and be available to be supportive to the process and to help aid in it's integrity and the players interest on being in the 1st and 2nd committee.

[HighlanderAttack]

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That I know of --only 12 options can be added to a poll--you may want to find out if this can be expanded.