Poll on Unity

[Phatscotty]

Obama throws his endorsement behind using an emergency budget measure through a financial committee to pass a massive entitlement program that 22% of people support. 52% oppose the current bill, 26% think they should start the bill over again from scratch. that is 3-1 against. mind you this is a bill that was done behind closed doors in Harry Reids office, with less than 50 minutes of coverage on c-span.

... I think I hear crickets...

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We were kind of ignoring the necrobump, but hey, why not respond. Although the Senate bill is riddled with holes, it still has some important reform. I just wish it was a little more socialist. What other people think doesn't really affect the way I feel about it.

call it what you want.

I'm sticking with "update"

[Phatscotty]

Obama throws his endorsement behind using an emergency budget measure through a financial committee to pass a massive entitlement program that 22% of people support. 52% oppose the current bill, 26% think they should start the bill over again from scratch. that is 3-1 against. mind you this is a bill that was done behind closed doors in Harry Reids office, with less than 50 minutes of coverage on c-span.

... I think I hear crickets...

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So long as the facts are stated.....

[rockfist]

I voted yes, because he is uniting the country against his party and piss poor agenda.

[Phatscotty]

I voted yes, because he is uniting the country against his party and piss poor agenda.

Obama keeps dividing, by race, wealth, and anything thing else that could possibly be chopped up and re-directed.

"Attack" your enemies?

[GreecePwns]

I voted no, but that's because no one is trying to unite the country in American politics. Both major parties are only concerned for their own power and whatever uniting they do along the way is just peripheral.

[GreecePwns]

Obama throws his endorsement behind using an emergency budget measure through a financial committee to pass a massive entitlement program that 22% of people support. 52% oppose the current bill, 26% think they should start the bill over again from scratch. that is 3-1 against. mind you this is a bill that was done behind closed doors in Harry Reids office, with less than 50 minutes of coverage on c-span.

In the end, what people think is better for the country is not necessarily better for the country. The CBO scores the healthcare bill as a deficit-reducer. And because everyone will have access to health care, we won't have to rely on as many emergency room visits that are expensive to taxpayers. And it's just common sense that companies not be allowed to drop people when they get sick - simply put, a type of legalized fraud - or deny them because they are sick (or in my case, because of "back pain" during a visit to the doctor right after work). The will require doctors to use best practices possible, therefore increasing quality of care. Sure the bill wasn't popular because of all the sensational "death panels" "free care for illegals" "socialism" talk. But so long as the facts are stated.

[Phatscotty]

Obama throws his endorsement behind using an emergency budget measure through a financial committee to pass a massive entitlement program that 22% of people support. 52% oppose the current bill, 26% think they should start the bill over again from scratch. that is 3-1 against. mind you this is a bill that was done behind closed doors in Harry Reids office, with less than 50 minutes of coverage on c-span.

In the end, what people think is better for the country is not necessarily better for the country. The CBO scores the healthcare bill as a deficit-reducer. And because everyone will have access to health care, we won't have to rely on as many emergency room visits that are expensive to taxpayers. And it's just common sense that companies not be allowed to drop people when they get sick - simply put, a type of legalized fraud - or deny them because they are sick (or in my case, because of "back pain" during a visit to the doctor right after work). The will require doctors to use best practices possible, therefore increasing quality of care. Sure the bill wasn't popular because of all the sensational "death panels" "free care for illegals" "socialism" talk. But so long as the facts are stated.

Well it's a huge debate and there is just way too much information. One thing I will tell you up front, I don't believe what politicians say, and that does NOT depend on which party is saying it. Second, the gov't wastes too much money (40-60%) to be getting into ANYTHING!! And last, you are right about what people think about being better for the country...If only there were a way to translate those thoughts into votes....hmmm

We got Obama, we see what he did and what he wants to do, and we are going to snatch congress from him with a firm rejection of Obamanomics.

Power to the people, not to the state....

[GreecePwns]

Obama throws his endorsement behind using an emergency budget measure through a financial committee to pass a massive entitlement program that 22% of people support. 52% oppose the current bill, 26% think they should start the bill over again from scratch. that is 3-1 against. mind you this is a bill that was done behind closed doors in Harry Reids office, with less than 50 minutes of coverage on c-span.

In the end, what people think is better for the country is not necessarily better for the country. The CBO scores the healthcare bill as a deficit-reducer. And because everyone will have access to health care, we won't have to rely on as many emergency room visits that are expensive to taxpayers. And it's just common sense that companies not be allowed to drop people when they get sick - simply put, a type of legalized fraud - or deny them because they are sick (or in my case, because of "back pain" during a visit to the doctor right after work). The will require doctors to use best practices possible, therefore increasing quality of care. Sure the bill wasn't popular because of all the sensational "death panels" "free care for illegals" "socialism" talk. But so long as the facts are stated.

Well it's a huge debate and there is just way too much information. One thing I will tell you up front, I don't believe what politicians say, and that does NOT depend on which party is saying it. Second, the gov't wastes too much money (40-60%) to be getting into ANYTHING!! And last, you are right about what people think about being better for the country...If only there were a way to translate those thoughts into votes....hmmm

We got Obama, we see what he did and what he wants to do, and we are going to snatch congress from him with a firm rejection of Obamanomics.

Power to the people, not to the state....

I'm open to spending cuts, and so are center-left Democrats like Obama. As long as they make sense, that is. I really would like to know where/what programs the Tea Party proposes to cut spending, and whether that is the only option, not because I don't think such ideas exist, but because I really haven't heard any such ideas.

What is that 40 to 60% figure referring to?

[Phatscotty]

Obama throws his endorsement behind using an emergency budget measure through a financial committee to pass a massive entitlement program that 22% of people support. 52% oppose the current bill, 26% think they should start the bill over again from scratch. that is 3-1 against. mind you this is a bill that was done behind closed doors in Harry Reids office, with less than 50 minutes of coverage on c-span.

In the end, what people think is better for the country is not necessarily better for the country. The CBO scores the healthcare bill as a deficit-reducer. And because everyone will have access to health care, we won't have to rely on as many emergency room visits that are expensive to taxpayers. And it's just common sense that companies not be allowed to drop people when they get sick - simply put, a type of legalized fraud - or deny them because they are sick (or in my case, because of "back pain" during a visit to the doctor right after work). The will require doctors to use best practices possible, therefore increasing quality of care. Sure the bill wasn't popular because of all the sensational "death panels" "free care for illegals" "socialism" talk. But so long as the facts are stated.

Well it's a huge debate and there is just way too much information. One thing I will tell you up front, I don't believe what politicians say, and that does NOT depend on which party is saying it. Second, the gov't wastes too much money (40-60%) to be getting into ANYTHING!! And last, you are right about what people think about being better for the country...If only there were a way to translate those thoughts into votes....hmmm

We got Obama, we see what he did and what he wants to do, and we are going to snatch congress from him with a firm rejection of Obamanomics.

Power to the people, not to the state....

I'm open to spending cuts, and so are center-left Democrats like Obama. As long as they make sense, that is. I really would like to know where/what programs the Tea Party proposes to cut spending, and whether that is the only option, not because I don't think such ideas exist, but because I really haven't heard any such ideas.

What is that 40 to 60% figure referring to?

gov't waste. 40-60% of every dollar.

and I will start here, when the deficit goes from 7 trillion to 14 trillion in just 2 years, there are lots of places to cut. It costs a fortune keeping our troops over seas, and whatever mission we still have to accomplish lets get serious or get out. Right or wrong, half-assing it is the worst option. We also have bases in over 130 countries around the world. I can already guarantee you many bases inside the US are going to be cut and others closed, and we should follow suit in foreign countries.

I prefer an empire of ideas and democracies to that of hard power and military coercion.

[GreecePwns]

That last sentence is something I could not agree more with. We have no reason to not negotiate a peace with the Taliban at this point, and plenty those bases around the world should be cut and some of the money saved be used toward fixing our broken education system.

But not everything involving tackling the deficit has to be a cut.

For example: privatizing Social Security. Obviously this would be an unpopular choice, even if it hemorrhages money right now. If Social Security were to be taken out of a full salary instead of on just the first $100-something thousand of a person's salary, Social Security would make a profit for the government.

We also have a $2.5 trillion trust fund in Social Security. If Social Security made a profit greater than it does already, some of this already-set-aside-money could be used on lowering the deficit.

Legalizing marijuana would add to tax revenues. So would ending the meant-to-be-temporary Bush tax cuts for 2 percent of America.

[Phatscotty]

That last sentence is something I could not agree more with. We have no reason to not negotiate a peace with the Taliban at this point, and plenty those bases around the world should be cut and some of the money saved be used toward fixing our broken education system.

But not everything involving tackling the deficit has to be a cut.

For example: privatizing Social Security. Obviously this would be an unpopular choice, even if it hemorrhages money right now. If Social Security were to be taken out of a full salary instead of on just the first $100-something thousand of a person's salary, Social Security would make a profit for the government.

We also have a $2.5 trillion trust fund in Social Security. If Social Security made a profit greater than it does, some of this already-set-aside-money could be used on lowering the deficit.

Legalizing marijuana would add to tax revenues. So would ending the meant-to-be-temporary Bush tax cuts for 2 percent of America.

side question. Are you from Greece?

[GreecePwns]

Born in Greece. Moved to the US at the age of 14.

[Phatscotty]

Born in Greece. Moved to the US at the age of 14.

only curious, but how in the loop are you at the current with what is going on in Greece economically?

[ViperOverLord]

He may not be uniting the country but he's doing a good job of separating the idiots from the rest.

Yea but don't be too hard on yourself for supporting Obama. No wait, go ahead and be hard on yourself and perhaps it'll help you to see the light.

[GreecePwns]

Born in Greece. Moved to the US at the age of 14.

only curious, but how in the loop are you at the current with what is going on in Greece economically?

The Greek economic crisis is not due to spending. It's due to corruption. I could really write a long-winded post, but this article sums up everything. A quarter of taxes owed simply aren't collected. The government wouldn't have a deficit problem if taxes were properly collected. And if you want proof that it's not just because of the amount of government control of the economy, the US fits right in with the correlation between corruption and debt.

Austerity measures where some public companies are 49% privatized isn't the solution, just a way to pass the blame away from their utter failure to properly govern a nation of just 10 million people. The EU bailout is just going to fund this corrupt Greek lifestyle. It's no wonder why there are twice as many Greeks in the US as there are in Greece.

EDIT: Seems that link doesn't show the full article. It did with the first result here.

[Phatscotty]

Born in Greece. Moved to the US at the age of 14.

only curious, but how in the loop are you at the current with what is going on in Greece economically?

The Greek economic crisis is not due to spending. It's due to corruption. I could really write a long-winded post, but this article sums up everything. A quarter of taxes owed simply aren't collected. The government wouldn't have a deficit problem if taxes were properly collected. And if you want proof that it's not just because of the amount of government control of the economy, the US fits right in with the correlation between corruption and debt.

Austerity measures where some public companies are 49% privatized isn't the solution, just a way to pass the blame away from their utter failure to properly govern a nation of just 10 million people. The EU bailout is just going to fund this corrupt Greek lifestyle. It's no wonder why there are twice as many Greeks in the US as there are in Greece.

EDIT: Seems that link doesn't show the full article. It did with the first result here.

I would agree with you that it's both, but not that it isn't "spending".

[GreecePwns]

Born in Greece. Moved to the US at the age of 14.

only curious, but how in the loop are you at the current with what is going on in Greece economically?

The Greek economic crisis is not due to spending. It's due to corruption. I could really write a long-winded post, but this article sums up everything. A quarter of taxes owed simply aren't collected. The government wouldn't have a deficit problem if taxes were properly collected. And if you want proof that it's not just because of the amount of government control of the economy, the US fits right in with the correlation between corruption and debt.

Austerity measures where some public companies are 49% privatized isn't the solution, just a way to pass the blame away from their utter failure to properly govern a nation of just 10 million people. The EU bailout is just going to fund this corrupt Greek lifestyle. It's no wonder why there are twice as many Greeks in the US as there are in Greece.

EDIT: Seems that link doesn't show the full article. It did with the first result here.

I would agree with you that it's both, but not that it isn't "spending".

That spending wouldn't be a problem at all if a quarter of taxes were actually collected. Even more so now that most public companies are now 49% privatized. To say spending is the problem in Greece is flat out blind.

[Phatscotty]

Born in Greece. Moved to the US at the age of 14.

only curious, but how in the loop are you at the current with what is going on in Greece economically?

The Greek economic crisis is not due to spending. It's due to corruption. I could really write a long-winded post, but this article sums up everything. A quarter of taxes owed simply aren't collected. The government wouldn't have a deficit problem if taxes were properly collected. And if you want proof that it's not just because of the amount of government control of the economy, the US fits right in with the correlation between corruption and debt.

Austerity measures where some public companies are 49% privatized isn't the solution, just a way to pass the blame away from their utter failure to properly govern a nation of just 10 million people. The EU bailout is just going to fund this corrupt Greek lifestyle. It's no wonder why there are twice as many Greeks in the US as there are in Greece.

EDIT: Seems that link doesn't show the full article. It did with the first result here.

I would agree with you that it's both, but not that it isn't "spending".

That spending wouldn't be a problem at all if a quarter of taxes were actually collected. Even more so now that most public companies are now 49% privatized. To say spending is the problem in Greece is flat out blind.

why arent a quarter of taxes collected?

[GreecePwns]

Because people get away with it. See the 4-4-2 part.

[Phatscotty]

Because people get away with it. See the 4-4-2 part.

So they want a bunch of public spending, but don't want to pay the taxes to fund it?

Is Greece just confused?

[GreecePwns]

Because people get away with it. See the 4-4-2 part.

So they want a bunch of public spending, but don't want to pay the taxes to fund it?

Is Greece just confused?

Anyone would if they knew they would get away with it. Greece is a society of corruption. It's not gonna change until people are jailed for life for doing this. But that won't change.

But before this I made a point that you did not answer yet.

[Phatscotty]

My overall point is simple. Cut the spending, and there would be no need to collect so much in taxes in the first place...

[Phatscotty]

A Newsweek Poll Shows Americans Still Divided Over Race

Once upon a time, millions of people seemed to believe that electing Barack Obama president would automatically improve race relations in America. Jason Wilhite, an African-American from Charleston, S.C., was one of them. “I did a jig around the house I was so happy,” Wilhite says. “I thought Americans really had made progress in how they viewed black people as a whole.” His assessment now? “Man, did I read that wrong.”

Wilhite isn’t alone. Nearly four years into the Age of Obama, many Americans are coming to the conclusion that choosing a black man as commander in chief has done little to speed up racial progress or soothe racial tensions. In fact, some even suspect that Obama’s presence in the Oval Office may be slowing us down—and pushing us farther apart.

A new Newsweek poll puts this remarkable shift in stark relief for the first time. Back in 2008, 52 percent of Americans told Pew Research Center that they expected race relations to get better as a result of Obama’s election; only 9 percent anticipated a decline. But today that 43-point gap has vanished. According to the Newsweek survey, only 32 percent of Americans now think that race relations have improved since the president’s inauguration; roughly the same number (30 percent) believe they have gotten worse. Factor in those who say nothing has changed and the result is staggering: nearly 60 percent of Americans are now convinced that race relations have either deteriorated or stagnated under Obama.

rest of article http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2 ... -race.html

[Baron Von PWN]

My overall point is simple. Cut the spending, and there would be no need to collect so much in taxes in the first place...

Not really. If you can get away with tax evasion you will evade taxes regardless of spending or tax levels.

[Lootifer]

A Newsweek Poll Shows Americans Still Divided Over Race

Once upon a time, millions of people seemed to believe that electing Barack Obama president would automatically improve race relations in America. Jason Wilhite, an African-American from Charleston, S.C., was one of them. “I did a jig around the house I was so happy,” Wilhite says. “I thought Americans really had made progress in how they viewed black people as a whole.” His assessment now? “Man, did I read that wrong.”

Wilhite isn’t alone. Nearly four years into the Age of Obama, many Americans are coming to the conclusion that choosing a black man as commander in chief has done little to speed up racial progress or soothe racial tensions. In fact, some even suspect that Obama’s presence in the Oval Office may be slowing us down—and pushing us farther apart.

A new Newsweek poll puts this remarkable shift in stark relief for the first time. Back in 2008, 52 percent of Americans told Pew Research Center that they expected race relations to get better as a result of Obama’s election; only 9 percent anticipated a decline. But today that 43-point gap has vanished. According to the Newsweek survey, only 32 percent of Americans now think that race relations have improved since the president’s inauguration; roughly the same number (30 percent) believe they have gotten worse. Factor in those who say nothing has changed and the result is staggering: nearly 60 percent of Americans are now convinced that race relations have either deteriorated or stagnated under Obama.

rest of article http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2 ... -race.html

No quite getting how a public opinion poll translates towards your [assumed on my part] argument here?

Care to expand on you reasoning?