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[rockfist]

Read a bit further, but you have been told before by better experts than myself and you wish to believe your own rhetoric.

And, as long as I am required, by law, to pay for your medical care, which I am, I have the right to ask my government to demand that you pay a bigger portion of that bill. Maybe you don't use it now, but you WILL.

Then lets just make it so that no one is required to pay for anyone else's medical care. That solves your issue and mine.

[Snorri1234]

Read a bit further, but you have been told before by better experts than myself and you wish to believe your own rhetoric.

And, as long as I am required, by law, to pay for your medical care, which I am, I have the right to ask my government to demand that you pay a bigger portion of that bill. Maybe you don't use it now, but you WILL.

Then lets just make it so that no one is required to pay for anyone else's medical care. That solves your issue and mine.

Yeah! Let's go back to the dark ages!

[stahrgazer]

Nightstrike, you need to study constitutional law a little more before you start announcing everything you dislike is "illegal". And as for forcing people.. yes, because WE are FORCED to pay for YOUR bills when you go to the hospital without insurance.

Article 1, Section 8: "The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;"

16th Amendment: "The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration."

NO WHERE in the Constitution does it give the Congress the power to tax us on not buying something, nor does it give the government the power to force us to make any purchase on any good produced or service provided. Player, neither you nor any other liberal has the right to tell me how to live my life or what I much purchase just to be an American citizen. This mandate is blatantly unconstitutional, and any justice who does not think so is a blatant revisionist of what our Constitution actually says.

Sure it does; you're taxed for medicare all the time, and social security... that is, in essence, a forced purchase. It's not even uniform; many government wages are exempt from both medicare and social security taxes, because they get their own pension plan; yet, if you work for a private company, even one that has a pension plan, you still must pay those taxes. Also, the "general welfare" and "common defence" clauses could be used to support a national healthcare system or tax; if you get one of those horrid flus or other viruses, and don't have medical care, you might spread it to others, with the potential of it becoming an epidemic. So, for my protection, and yours, we should both have medical care.

Of course, I haven't had health insurance since Pratt decided to reduce from 9,000-ish employees to about 250 employees in this area, and it's not because I'm lazy, it's because I can't get a regular fulltime job that has healthcare. The county employees have medical coverage, and they're about to lay off 50% of the building department because they've decided they can't afford that coverage anymore... meanwhile I'm working at the place, but as a temp employee----so they don't have to give me benefits. It's still not a high enough wage for me to purchase unsubsidized coverage (my take-home pay for a MONTH would just about pay for an insurance policy).

And to top it off, if I go in to a doctor to pay in cash, my bill is higher than an insurance company has to pay for the same service, because they get to "negotiate rates" and I don't. Same with prescription drugs; some ppl's insurance negotiates the rates down to 10 or 25% of what I, as a private, uninsured citizen, have to pay... which means, in essence, my rate is subsidizing the insurance company rates. If insurance companies had to pay more for their services, I bet I'd have to pay a little less!

So why should I have to subsidize an insurance company's profits? HMMM???

[Night Strike]

Sure it does; you're taxed for medicare all the time, and social security... that is, in essence, a forced purchase. It's not even uniform; many government wages are exempt from both medicare and social security taxes, because they get their own pension plan; yet, if you work for a private company, even one that has a pension plan, you still must pay those taxes. Also, the "general welfare" and "common defence" clauses could be used to support a national healthcare system or tax; if you get one of those horrid flus or other viruses, and don't have medical care, you might spread it to others, with the potential of it becoming an epidemic. So, for my protection, and yours, we should both have medical care.

Those are an income tax, so although I feel they are a waste of our money and independence (the audacity of the government to think that they should "save" our money for those who aren't responsible enough to save for retirement is astonishing), they do appear to be constitutional. This one isn't.

[jay_a2j]

Live stream: http://interactive.foxnews.com/livestream/live.html?chanId=5

[spurgistan]

Sure it does; you're taxed for medicare all the time, and social security... that is, in essence, a forced purchase. It's not even uniform; many government wages are exempt from both medicare and social security taxes, because they get their own pension plan; yet, if you work for a private company, even one that has a pension plan, you still must pay those taxes. Also, the "general welfare" and "common defence" clauses could be used to support a national healthcare system or tax; if you get one of those horrid flus or other viruses, and don't have medical care, you might spread it to others, with the potential of it becoming an epidemic. So, for my protection, and yours, we should both have medical care.

Those are an income tax, so although I feel they are a waste of our money and independence (the audacity of the government to think that they should "save" our money for those who aren't responsible enough to save for retirement is astonishing), they do appear to be constitutional. This one isn't.

Well, then, I figure the courts can decide that, right? Unless the liberal fascist Roberts Supreme Court has it's way, coerced by the Obama goons (they got the CBO! Who next shalt kneel before the Oval Office?)

[Pedronicus]

who gives a flying f*ck about socialised health care when we have the UAS v the rest of the world threads being red hot right now.

[Night Strike]

It's SO telling to hear the democrats continually tout this legislation alongside the failing policies of Medicare and Social Security.

[spurgistan]

It's SO telling to hear the democrats continually tout this legislation alongside the [i]policies initially screamed down by Republicans as marking the onset of socialism, despite history proving that to be rather incorrect, and regardless are politically untouchable[/] of Medicare and Social Security.

figured I'd take a stab at fixing that.

[Night Strike]

On a vote of 219-212, the Democratic Party bursts into cheering as they take away the freedoms of their constituents. They have successfully pushed their liberal agenda on the American people, so now our only hope is to have our other branches stand up on their powers and responsibilities to protect the American people. It's up to the Judicial Branch to strike down this government encroachment just as the court did during the early years of FDR's takeover. It's also up to our state governments to stand up for their constitutional rights of separation of powers to protect their residents from this federal encroachment. The federal government has overstepped their constitutional authority, and this law must be stopped.

[Mr_Adams]

We all know what this means. Texas will threaten to secede again, and at this encroachment of our rights, we may see the pre-state Texas again. You may laugh at the idea, but the great Lone Star State has not only the ability, but more than enough will power to do it.

[spurgistan]

On a vote of 219-212, the Democratic Party bursts into cheering as they take away the freedoms of their constituents. They have successfully pushed their liberal agenda on the American people, so now our only hope is to have our other branches stand up on their powers and responsibilities to protect the American people. It's up to the Judicial Branch to strike down this government encroachment just as the court did during the early years of FDR's takeover. It's also up to our state governments to stand up for their constitutional rights of separation of powers to protect their residents from this federal encroachment. The federal government has overstepped their constitutional authority, and this law must be stopped.

So, these judges stepping in to set policy... that wouldn't be judicial activism, would it? Cuz, you know, you guys hoping for that... pretty ironic. Just gonna say.

[Night Strike]

On a vote of 219-212, the Democratic Party bursts into cheering as they take away the freedoms of their constituents. They have successfully pushed their liberal agenda on the American people, so now our only hope is to have our other branches stand up on their powers and responsibilities to protect the American people. It's up to the Judicial Branch to strike down this government encroachment just as the court did during the early years of FDR's takeover. It's also up to our state governments to stand up for their constitutional rights of separation of powers to protect their residents from this federal encroachment. The federal government has overstepped their constitutional authority, and this law must be stopped.

So, these judges stepping in to set policy... that wouldn't be judicial activism, would it? Cuz, you know, you guys hoping for that... pretty ironic. Just gonna say.

No, striking down laws the violate the Constitution is their job. Passing decisions that out of the blue say that abortions must be provided unfettered is making law, which they do NOT have the power to do. There is a clear difference.

[tdans]

We all know what this means. Texas will threaten to secede again, and at this encroachment of our rights, we may see the pre-state Texas again. You may laugh at the idea, but the great Lone Star State has not only the ability, but more than enough will power to do it.

agreed.. this idea of socialized health care will ruin what we Americans work for.. this is only the first step.. there will be more and more power struggles and the government will do its best to get total control of the people.. American is on its last legs.. only a miracle can save us now.. WHy cant we go back to What the founding fathers had set up.. it worked for them.. very very well.. it made us what we are today.. a world power.... i like the idea.. if it aint broke.. dont Freakin fix it..

[Phatscotty]

We all know what this means. Texas will threaten to secede again, and at this encroachment of our rights, we may see the pre-state Texas again. You may laugh at the idea, but the great Lone Star State has not only the ability, but more than enough will power to do it.

agreed.. this idea of socialized health care will ruin what we Americans work for.. this is only the first step.. there will be more and more power struggles and the government will do its best to get total control of the people.. American is on its last legs.. only a miracle can save us now.. WHy cant we go back to What the founding fathers had set up.. it worked for them.. very very well.. it made us what we are today.. a world power.... i like the idea.. if it aint broke.. dont Freakin fix it..

Texas and 39 other states.....3 states, not including Texas, already have officially passed legislation to nullify the federal health care bill in those states

[tdans]

We all know what this means. Texas will threaten to secede again, and at this encroachment of our rights, we may see the pre-state Texas again. You may laugh at the idea, but the great Lone Star State has not only the ability, but more than enough will power to do it.

agreed.. this idea of socialized health care will ruin what we Americans work for.. this is only the first step.. there will be more and more power struggles and the government will do its best to get total control of the people.. American is on its last legs.. only a miracle can save us now.. WHy cant we go back to What the founding fathers had set up.. it worked for them.. very very well.. it made us what we are today.. a world power.... i like the idea.. if it aint broke.. dont Freakin fix it..

Texas and 39 other states.....3 states, not including Texas, already have officially passed legislation to nullify the federal health care bill in those states

lol.. them Democrats gotta love that

[Phatscotty]

We all know what this means. Texas will threaten to secede again, and at this encroachment of our rights, we may see the pre-state Texas again. You may laugh at the idea, but the great Lone Star State has not only the ability, but more than enough will power to do it.

agreed.. this idea of socialized health care will ruin what we Americans work for.. this is only the first step.. there will be more and more power struggles and the government will do its best to get total control of the people.. American is on its last legs.. only a miracle can save us now.. WHy cant we go back to What the founding fathers had set up.. it worked for them.. very very well.. it made us what we are today.. a world power.... i like the idea.. if it aint broke.. dont Freakin fix it..

Texas and 39 other states.....3 states, not including Texas, already have officially passed legislation to nullify the federal health care bill in those states

lol.. them Democrats gotta love that

16,500 new IRS agents. WOO HOO!

[Frigidus]

We all know what this means. Texas will threaten to secede again, and at this encroachment of our rights, we may see the pre-state Texas again. You may laugh at the idea, but the great Lone Star State has not only the ability, but more than enough will power to do it.

Sweet. See ya.

[Phatscotty]

Anyone, please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, or add/subtract any more proper or correct information...but what I am getting from watching C-span all day, is that people who do not have insurance through their employer are going to be paying a small premium in the form of a tax out of whatever check they are getting, be it unemployment, social security, or an extremely limited or regular part time job, directly taken out of your check by the IRS. Those who already have insurance wont be taxed, unless you make over 200,000, then it's 2.5% tax for health care...

Just what I'm getting

The bill focuses a lot on getting EVERYONE who does not pay into the pot for health care to start paying something, and for rich people to pay more than they already do.

[rockfist]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Db1s-eV-Bd0&feature=related

It creates a slew of "small" taxes on many different sources of income. Its only budget "positive" through a massive amount of new taxes and through the 10 vs 6 gimmick. When has any government spending program come in at or below budget? When has the government actually cut medicare or medicaid as much as they claim they will?

[Titanic]

agreed.. this idea of socialized health care will ruin what we Americans work for.. this is only the first step.. there will be more and more power struggles and the government will do its best to get total control of the people.. American is on its last legs.. only a miracle can save us now.. WHy cant we go back to What the founding fathers had set up.. it worked for them.. very very well.. it made us what we are today.. a world power.... i like the idea.. if it aint broke.. dont Freakin fix it..

You don't think the healthcare industry is broke? You think it is working for the American people?

[Phatscotty]

agreed.. this idea of socialized health care will ruin what we Americans work for.. this is only the first step.. there will be more and more power struggles and the government will do its best to get total control of the people.. American is on its last legs.. only a miracle can save us now.. WHy cant we go back to What the founding fathers had set up.. it worked for them.. very very well.. it made us what we are today.. a world power.... i like the idea.. if it aint broke.. dont Freakin fix it..

You don't think the healthcare industry is broke? You think it is working for the American people?

its expensive, nothing more. broke? you have got to be kidding. you get hurt, you go to the hospital, they cant turn you away. its all about money and power. you are about the only person in the world who thinks otherwise.

you act like if you go thru the health care system and the doctor walks in with a stethescope around his balls and the lights barely stay on....

[Frigidus]

agreed.. this idea of socialized health care will ruin what we Americans work for.. this is only the first step.. there will be more and more power struggles and the government will do its best to get total control of the people.. American is on its last legs.. only a miracle can save us now.. WHy cant we go back to What the founding fathers had set up.. it worked for them.. very very well.. it made us what we are today.. a world power.... i like the idea.. if it aint broke.. dont Freakin fix it..

You don't think the healthcare industry is broke? You think it is working for the American people?

But of course. We have (oops, had, now we're communists) the best health care in the world! If you could afford it.

[Titanic]

agreed.. this idea of socialized health care will ruin what we Americans work for.. this is only the first step.. there will be more and more power struggles and the government will do its best to get total control of the people.. American is on its last legs.. only a miracle can save us now.. WHy cant we go back to What the founding fathers had set up.. it worked for them.. very very well.. it made us what we are today.. a world power.... i like the idea.. if it aint broke.. dont Freakin fix it..

You don't think the healthcare industry is broke? You think it is working for the American people?

its expensive, nothing more. broke? you have got to be kidding. you get hurt, you go to the hospital, they cant turn you away. its all about money and power. you are about the only person in the world who thinks otherwise

And what if you don't have enough money? or you have a pre-existing condition? or you are a student whose been kicked of your parents insurance? or you accidentally filled in one tiny error on a form 10 years ago so they deny you help when you get sick? or you have healthcare and don't want to pay for all the uninsured who need A&E? or a multitude of other things that the companies do to get as much money whilst providing the smallest amount of healthcare.

[Phatscotty]

agreed.. this idea of socialized health care will ruin what we Americans work for.. this is only the first step.. there will be more and more power struggles and the government will do its best to get total control of the people.. American is on its last legs.. only a miracle can save us now.. WHy cant we go back to What the founding fathers had set up.. it worked for them.. very very well.. it made us what we are today.. a world power.... i like the idea.. if it aint broke.. dont Freakin fix it..

You don't think the healthcare industry is broke? You think it is working for the American people?

its expensive, nothing more. broke? you have got to be kidding. you get hurt, you go to the hospital, they cant turn you away. its all about money and power. you are about the only person in the world who thinks otherwise

And what if you don't have enough money? or you have a pre-existing condition? or you are a student whose been kicked of your parents insurance? or you accidentally filled in one tiny error on a form 10 years ago so they deny you help when you get sick? or you have healthcare and don't want to pay for all the uninsured who need A&E? or a multitude of other things that the companies do to get as much money whilst providing the smallest amount of healthcare.

excuses. all excuses and hypotheticals. All TEMPORARY. I'm not so sure you wan't to base your support of a trillion dollar package that the citizens of the US overwhelmingly oppose....to a bunch of what ifs.....

gimme a break

and you know what? if any of that happens, then you do what people did before there was even such a thing as medicine and health insurance. You deal with the cards that are dealt to you. You don't sick the gov't on other people to pay for you.

And you know what else? you already got your socialized medicine bankrupting your country worse than our so mind your own fucking business why dont you. Really...