Post Any Evidence For God Here

[AAFitz]

I horizontally flipped this and added lines myself perhaps...


2009 simply happens to be where it is and I didn't start with 2009 and work from there by any means perhaps. Do you want to know where any date comes from?

Does your arbitrarily drawing lines on a pyramid count as evidence for creationism?

Well, you really have to hand it to the creationists...they are creative.

[Lionz]

What's arbitrarily drawn? Do you want to know where a date comes from? And how about you test it yourself if you feel there's a year per pixel ratio that's off?

[AAFitz]

What's arbitrarily drawn? Do you want to know where a date comes from? And how about you test it yourself if you feel there's a year per pixel ratio that's off?

Yes, explain how the only explanation for a pyramid is the dimensions were designed to signify different dates in history, and how that isnt just a coincidence and arbitrarily assigned, the way one could do the same thing to a model T ford.

[BigBallinStalin]

What's arbitrarily drawn? Do you want to know where a date comes from? And how about you test it yourself if you feel there's a year per pixel ratio that's off?

answer AAFitz'squestion. that's what I've been asking, yet you keep failing to explain.

[Lionz]

If the pyramid has an entrance point that corresponds to the flood and then a descending tunnel reaches from there to a point where we can either choose to head up or keep going down and that point corresponds to the Exodus and then we get to a point corresponding to Him being born where we can stretch out more and a tunnel starts there that heads down to a pit area and it at least basically has a width corresponding to how long He lived between birth and crucifixion and we are currently at a place in time that's just before a centerpoint of the King's Chamber, then what's random? I did not even mention a point for Creation or Noah being born in that and there are things I could add to the timeline that I have not perhaps. Want to know where a Temple destruction or 1492 or WW2 would fall?

[AAFitz]

If the pyramid has an entrance point that corresponds to the flood and then a descending tunnel reaches from there to a point where we can either choose to head up or keep going down and that point corresponds to the Exodus and then we get to a point corresponding to Him being born where we can stretch out more and a tunnel starts there that at least basically has a width corresponding to how long He lived between birth and crucifixion and the tunnel reaches down to a pit area and we are currently at a place in time that's just before a centerpoint of the King's Chamber, then what's random? I did not even mention a point for Creation or Noah being born in that and there are things I could add to the timeline that I have not perhaps. Want to know where a Temple destruction or WW2 or 1492 would fall?

Yes, but more importantly, I want to know if you actually believe this is not coincidence and that it is proof of anything.

And again, do you not realize that these coincidences happen all the time.

Also, the distances between those lines is haphazzard at best. I could as I said, do the same with a Model T ford.

I believe what you have done here, is show conclusively that people are quite capable of drawing meaning from things that have no meaning, and going so far as to believe them fully, which is why such beliefs cannot be trusted per-se. It is why the world has seen countless religions and groups worshiping a great number of gods, and ideas, and why entire groups believe the exact opposite things at the same time.

It is because they are beliefs based on a fiction, and coincidences, and therefore easily manipulated by the people translating those fictions, or in many cases, creating them.

What you have really done here, is show the dangers of believing something so much that you will stop at nothing looking for evidence, and prove that anything you say is tainted in a bias that is practically, sinful in its attempt at a lie.

[Lionz]

What's truly coincidental?

And what do you mean the distances between those lines is haphazzard at best? How about you test it yourself using Paint if you feel there's a year per pixel ratio that's off? When does math lie whether there's any belief that should be trusted or not?

And what can you do with a Model T ford?

[BigBallinStalin]

What's truly coincidental? And what do you mean the distances between those lines is haphazzard at best? How about you test it yourself using Paint if you feel there's a year per pixel ratio that's off? What can you do with a Model T ford?

OH MAN!

You're good at trolling. You don't have to elicit a negative response from people, just get them to take you seriously, and you are on a ROLL. I love how you constantly dodge my previous question about whether this even counts as evidence, and instead you spew out a bunch of rubbish and add more unnecessary questions.

You're pretty good at this. Enjoy.

[Lionz]

What question do you refer to?

[Lionz]

Do you mean this...

Does your arbitrarily drawing lines on a pyramid count as evidence for creationism?

Is that not like asking me if I still beat my wife? I've never been married perhaps.

I asked this in response to that and you missed it maybe...

What's arbitrarily drawn?

[BigBallinStalin]

What question do you refer to?

Ha-HA!! No no no, go look for yourself and answer them without question.

You mean this?

Does your arbitrarily drawing lines on a pyramid count as evidence for creationism?

That's like asking if I still beat my wife maybe. I've never been married perhaps.

"maybe." Hoh-hoh! Good one!

How can you consider your timeline/pryamid stretch to be supportive of the idea of creationism?

[MeDeFe]

5. What does the sun not actually break down and decrease order in?

[AAFitz]

What question do you refer to?

Perhaps you missed it. It was only in the first line.

Want to know where a Temple destruction or WW2 or 1492 would fall?

Yes, but more importantly, I want to know if you actually believe this is not coincidence and that it is proof of anything.

But in case you need a ? to understand its a question....
[blinking]Do you actually believe your pyramid scheme is proof of anything other than coincidence?[blinking]

[AAFitz]

Do you mean this...

Does your arbitrarily drawing lines on a pyramid count as evidence for creationism?

Is that not like asking me if I still beat my wife? I've never been married perhaps.

I asked this in response to that and you missed it maybe...

What's arbitrarily drawn?

And my questions, what questions did you use to answer those direct questions?

[Lionz]

Big,

If the great pyramid backs up history according to Hebrew scripture and the scripture claims that there's a Creator of the heavens and the earth, then does the great pyramid itself not suggest that there's a Creator of the heavens and the earth?

MeDeFe,

You refer to plant life containing chlorophyll? Would earth spawning organisms with chlorophyll not be an example of an increase of order on earth in the first place?

AAFitz,

You responded to one or more thing directed at Big like it was directed at you maybe. I'm not claiming anything's proof of anything and you ask one or more thing that comes down to definition perhaps, but should we not weigh evidence whether or not we can actually prove anything at all?

[Lionz]

I might not completely agree with any website, but how about check these out in detail and then ask yourself what you believe about the pyramid afterwards?

http://s8int.com/page13.html

http://www.freewebs.com/garyosborn/grea ... ndaxis.htm

[BigBallinStalin]

Big,

If the great pyramid backs up history according to Hebrew scripture and the scripture claims that there's a Creator of the heavens and the earth, then does the great pyramid itself not suggest that there's a Creator of the heavens and the earth?

It suggests whatever you want to believe but that belief has just as much evidence as does the "aliens made it/helped them make it theory." Then again, the aliens theory most likely has more support than there being a creator.

What's certain is that the Great Pyramids are evidence of ancient Egypt's impressive ability at such an early stage in human civilization to construct such massive structures.

[jonesthecurl]

The timeline doesn'r seem to mark the important event of: God giving the builders a menu of the future and them then building the pyramid. Probably an event significant enough to note.

[Lionz]

Big,

Angels helped construct it perhaps. If angels are from the heavens, then what are they to earth?

Jones,

There is a significant location for an original creation week and the earth and pyramid were basically created together maybe.

[Juan_Bottom]

did Birds Evolve from Dinosaurs?
Now, the textbooks are going to tell the kids, "Boys and girls, birds are the descendants of dinosaurs." How many have ever heard of that before? Wasn’t that the whole purpose behind the Jurassic Park movie? Now, just hold on a minute, in case you don’t know, there are a few differences between a dinosaur and a bird. You don’t just put a few feathers on him and say, "Let’s go man come on you can do it!" It’s not quite that easy folks. You see, reptiles have four perfectly good legs, birds have two legs and two wings. So if his front legs are going to change into wings (besides lots of other things having to change, like the muscular system, the nervous system to control this and the brain to control flight) besides all of that, somewhere along the line, his front legs are going to be half-leg half-wing. Which means now he can’t run and he can’t fly. This guy is going to have a problem evolving through that stage don’t you think? As a matter of fact, through all the stages he’s going to have a problem evolving.

Scales and Feathers
They tell the kids though, that birds are covered with feathers, (which is true) and they are going to say, "Boys and girls, bird feathers evolved from the same scales that protected the dinosaurs so well." Hold on a second. Feathers are extremely complex. The only similarity they have between feathers and scales is they are both made from the same protein. It is called Keratin. Your finger nails and your hair are made from the same stuff. That doesn’t prove that they are related. It proves they’ve got a common Designer. Did you know battleships and forks are both made out of the same metal? Iron. That proves that they both evolved from a tin can 27 million years ago. (Jump frog jump!) Man, you’re getting the wrong conclu-sions here folks! Similarity proves a common Designer.

Other Differences
There are real problems with the bird evolution from reptiles.

Lots of Dinosaurs had scales and feathers. Juvenile T-Rex's had feathers. This is just a case where the author didn't do any reading or research before he said these things.

Juan_Bottom,

Where did you read that Marble Canyon or Echo Cliffs or Vermilion Cliffs had lowest layers made of granite if you read that they did somewhere?

That was from High School Geology... from memory. BUT! According to Dr. Eugenie C. Scott from the National Center for Science and Education, the Grand Canyon is made up of 5,000 feet of Shale and Granite.

Wiki gives an overview that I think is skip-able. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geology_of ... anyon_area

[Lionz]

Juan,

http://www.answersingenesis.org/article ... into-birds

Look for a section with this above it there maybe... Do feathered dinosaurs exist?

Did you get taught about Marble Canyon or Echo Cliffs or Vermilion Cliffs in high school? Are you meaning to suggest Marble Canyon is cut through granite and the cliffs are non-granite?

[jonesthecurl]

Big,

Angels helped construct it perhaps. If angels are from the heavens, then what are they to earth?

Jones,

There is a significant location for an original creation week and the earth and pyramid were basically created together maybe.

The goat that's following is much tastier than me.

[Juan_Bottom]

But what does the Bible tell us about the origin of birds, and just how good is the scientific evidence that some dinosaurs evolved into birds?

You failed right here. This isn't science, nor is it objective.

What would it prove if features common to one type of animal were found on another? Nothing. Simply put, God uses various designs with various creatures. Take the platypus, for example—a mosaic. It has several design features that are shared with other animals, and yet it is completely distinct. So if a dinosaur (or mammal) is ever found with feathers, it would call into question our human criteria for classification, not biblical veracity. What’s needed to support evolution is not an unusual mosaic of complete traits, but a trait in transition, such as a “scale-feather,” what creationist biologists would call a “sceather.”

This is f*cked.

Seemingly forgotten in all the claims that birds are essentially dinosaurs (or at least that they evolved from dinosaurs) is the fact that dinosaurs are reptiles.

And yes, feathered Dinosaurs existed. National Geographic has been publishing these stories for everyday people for 20 years or so now. EDIT I noticed they mentioned one of these species as a fraud but not the dozens of others?

Archaeopteryx, a True Bird, Is Older than the “Feathered” Dinosaurs.

This is what having an agenda is all about. Here is the authors thought process:
If any part of the Bible is not literal or wrong, then the Bible is not true > therefor, the Bible is to be taken literal.
SO that thought process continued:
If any part of evolution doesn't fit, then evolution is false.

But that isn't how intelligent people approach these things. If a piece of the puzzle doesn't fit, we can't throw it out. We hold on to it until we understand where it fits.

Are you meaning to suggest Marble Canyon is cut through granite and the cliffs are non-granite?

Off hand, without actually doing too much digging, that is what I was suggesting. The softer lime and sandstones would explain why the Grand Canyon is so wide in some places, but the river's current canyon is so narrow (in the granite). Other factors would be rain, wind, and time. Even in a great flood, no water could cut Granite like that. It's why we use it as building material today.

[Snorri1234]

This might be a suprise to some people but we don't actually classify birds as birds because of "OH LOL FEATHERS!"

[Lionz]

Juan,

Is there a particular fossil you would like to discuss in detail?

Echo Cliffs and Vermilion Cliffs are not part of Grand Canyon and even Marble Canyon itself is not depending on definition maybe. Do you have a source that suggests the cliffs have more granite than Marble Canyon? Do you theorize that there's been enough flooding water to have stretched all the way from Echo Cliffs to Vermilion Cliffs? And did you see barbed canyons? What are they from if so? When do tributaries enter rivers at obtuse angles?