vtmarik wrote:.... Why do you think there are passages that talk about Jesus' lineage when we know he didn't have a lineage (being the Son of God born of the Virgin Mary)? Because these passages were written by people who didn't believe in the concept of the virgin birth.
Err ... incorrect sorry. The gospels which mention the lineage are not written by people who doubt the virgin birth ... Matthew wrote a gospel to tell the history of Christ to a Jewish audience. The Jewish audience knew the messiah would come from King David's lineage. Both Joseph and Mary were in the lineage of David.
The lineage actually shows a few other things as well but that is more theology than is required here.
Matthew called her a virgin in In Matthew 1:23, giving us the proper interpretation of Isaiah 7:14,
.....Thus the total number of generations from Abraham to David is fourteen generations; from David to the Babylonian exile, fourteen generations; from the Babylonian exile to the Messiah, fourteen generations. 5
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6 Now this is how the birth of Jesus Christ came about. When his mother Mary was betrothed to Joseph, 7 but before they lived together, she was found with child through the holy Spirit.
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Joseph her husband, since he was a righteous man, 8 yet unwilling to expose her to shame, decided to divorce her quietly.
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Such was his intention when, behold, the angel of the Lord 9 appeared to him in a dream and said, "Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary your wife into your home. For it is through the holy Spirit that this child has been conceived in her.
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She will bear a son and you are to name him Jesus, 10 because he will save his people from their sins."
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All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had said through the prophet:
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11 "Behold, the virgin shall be with child and bear a son, and they shall name him Emmanuel," which means "God is with us."Luke also has a genealogy (luke 3:23 ...) is considered one of the best historians of his time... He wrote as a doctor who had interviewed this involved in order to write a 'true and accurate' account of all that took place regarding Jesus, (luke 1:1-4) and called mary virigin several times. Luke 1:27 , Luke 1:34
vtmarik wrote:You also have to remember that these are stories told by people who weren't around when Jesus was alive or when he was crucified. It's all hearsay and anecdotal. If it were introduced in court as evidence, it would be suppressed on the basis that no second source of information can corroborate any of the information held within it.
Wrong .. they were recorded by luke who interviewed people who were there This is the same as a signed affidavit or taped testimony which is admissible in court
Also Mark is believed to possibly be the person who ran naked from the garden of Gesthsemene, John was the friend of Jesus who rested his head on Jesus at the last supper, Peter (who write several of the NT books) was definitely there, James was the brother of Jesus (sorry Catholics I believe Mary had kids after Jesus ) ... need I continue?
Luke 1:
1 Since many have undertaken to compile a narrative of the events that have been fulfilled among us,
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just as those who were eyewitnesses from the beginning and ministers of the word have handed them down to us,
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I too have decided, after investigating everything accurately anew, to write it down in an orderly sequence for you, most excellent Theophilus,
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so that you may realize the certainty of the teachings you have received.
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10 In the sixth month, the angel Gabriel was sent from God to a town of Galilee called Nazareth,
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to a virgin betrothed to a man named Joseph, of the house of David, and the virgin's name was Mary.
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And coming to her, he said, "Hail, favored one! The Lord is with you."
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But she was greatly troubled at what was said and pondered what sort of greeting this might be.
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But Mary said to the angel, "How can this be, since I have no relations with a man?" 12
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And the angel said to her in reply, "The holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. Therefore the child to be born will be called holy, the Son of God.
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