Does Anyone See a Problem with This?

[Coler]

Speaking as a low-ranker, if I set up a game, who ever joins, great. In truth, if high ranking players join, even greater.

High ability players joining lots of low-rank games for the sole purpose of farming points lacks class entirely.

This seems to me to be more of a matter to consider in your perception of the farming high-ranker than it is something which it is possible or desirable to regulate by changing the rules on who can join games. The difficulty is how to differentiate between high ranking players who join a given game for the prime purpose of having fun, and those who are out on the farm.

I think that (differentiating between those who are playing and those who are abusing) is a question of fact and degree. It (farming) being against the rules, report concerns and let the judges of those matters decide whether warnings or other sanctions should issue.

I would absolutely hate if high ranking players were prevented from joining a game which I started, or one started by another low ranking player which I had joined. I would also hate if I was prevented from joining an otherwise public game because the players already in consisted of high rankers.

Also, there is a learning curve involved here, and one which everyone who actually takes to the site picks up on (what kind of games not to set up as public, who to foe etc). Yes this potentially means some players gain rank exclusively/primarily by farming, moving on to new noobies who have not yet realised how best to enjoy the site as their various victims get wise.

They...are...sad.

p.s. perhaps additional content on this issue could be inserted into the welcome pm that new recruits get, so as to hasten their progression on that learning curve.

[SirSebstar]

let me get this streight.
a hypothetical situation could occur where some highranker would target a lower ranker by continually joining his games. okay, can imagine that.
this lower ranker would then proceed to make noice, either complain on site, in chat to others of foe (FAMO)
wait, no!!?! the low ranker is a complete noob that does not read, does not ask, does not understand, does in short just grumble in himself and walk away because he does not get the game/rules/unfair dice/ does not win/ does not get strategy/ attacks 2-2 and expects to win???

sorry, there is a simple mechanism in place to regulate who you not want to play.
in this hypothetical situation the noob is just a plain stupid noob and even if some other rule was invented he would still go away from the site since he will never understand spoils, freestyle, bonussess, bombarding, autodeploy ect ect.

i see the problem. its we got stupid noobs who don't RTFM (don't read the f...... manual) it cannot be helped. some things are intuitive, some are not. whatever is not intuitive must be learned. in this site you learn by reading, either convos or rules or forum. if you choose to do neither, even when asked to do so, dont expect someone else to take out the bacon for you.

now lets assume the low ranker is totally new and does not have a clue. but somehow he cry's hue. either in convos with another player, or on the forum. we find out that these high rankers really target this player. then by all means throw the book at those fellows and ban them from the site for gross abuse, stalking and making a nuicance out of themselves. problem solved. everybody is more or less happy or got why he deserved. case closed. next!

[thegreekdog]

What if the new player/low-ranker never says anything and just leaves the site?

[pimpdave]

[SirSebstar]

What if the new player/low-ranker never says anything and just leaves the site?

sad, but it happens. More people leave because they just dont get it/dont read or try out multiple accounts though, so in the larger sceme of things its peanut.

Now one more thing. You have sketched a probelm, i have told you i dont see the problem, at least compared to other problems..
Now i'd like to hear a solution from you.
How to deal with people who do the targeting of noobs and how to prevent noobs from running away. Take in mind that if it gets out, the high rankers would get a warning and subsequent banning, so we have to assume it will never come out, so how do you propose we get an idea of when this happens.
I keep thinking the solution creates more problems then the problem is worth, but maybe i just dont see the right solution.
the floor is yours

[thegreekdog]

I don't know what to do about it per se. Which, maybe, as you seem to intimate, is the answer. There is nothing we can do it about it.

I would propose that there be some rule indicating that the targeting of new players by experienced players on a systematic and continuous basis is verboten, but it seems like a subjective rule at best.

[AAFitz]

I don't know what to do about it per se. Which, maybe, as you seem to intimate, is the answer. There is nothing we can do it about it.

I would propose that there be some rule indicating that the targeting of new players by experienced players on a systematic and continuous basis is verboten, but it seems like a subjective rule at best.

Somewhat subjective yes... right now you can not farm people who have played less than 5 games.

Certainly one could increase this rule to 20 games or under, but the enforcement of that is a pain in the ass...and, its not obvious who has played 20 games whereas its very obvious if you are joining a game with ?s

And in this case, every player does have the right to foe if being targeted, so I just dont think its a take action situation.

If however, CC decided to include people under 20 ro 30 or 50 games as protected from farming, I would certainly support it.
I personally think it could right now be considered a gross abuse of game, and have suggested as much with certain players, but it was specifically stated by CC staff to not be, thereby ending any further discussion for the most part.

[pmchugh]

I can't see how this can be implemented without a lot of subjectivity.

But there are people out there trying to take advantage of the dregs of CC, I'm not sure why when some people can't even reach colonel doing it...

[AAFitz]

I can't see how this can be implemented without a lot of subjectivity.

But there are people out there trying to take advantage of the dregs of CC, I'm not sure why when some people can't even reach colonel doing it...

who says they cant

[BoganGod]

People have the option of using the foe button. If they don't have the intelligence/literacy to work out how to do so, then this site would be to difficult or frustrating for them to navigate anyway. There have been numerous attempts from both ends of the rank scale to rank limit joinability on games. CC management have repeatedly said no, and stated some pretty solid reasons for doing so. FAMO is the answer, rather than trying to extend the reach of the thought police. Again most players play within the rules/spirit of the game. Extending the rule list is not the answer. Maybe a lovely little educational mailout to all new members explaining how to add people to foe and friends lists, and the pros/cons of doing so would be a useful thing.

[natty dread]

Educate, don't enforce.

[BoganGod]

Educate, don't enforce.

Educate don't litigate. Makes sense me thinks. Though it would give people less to complain about and less things to accuse others of doing. If everyone knew about FAMO, then what would the bored and idle complain about? Would be a crime to deny them the chance of accusing people of taking advantage of the stupidity of others.

[GENERAL STONEHAM]

Foeing is for thin skinned individuals, who should stick to playing cross-dressing with their kin.

The loyal drone of C.C.
GS

[AAFitz]

People have the option of using the foe button. If they don't have the intelligence/literacy to work out how to do so, then this site would be to difficult or frustrating for them to navigate anyway. There have been numerous attempts from both ends of the rank scale to rank limit joinability on games. CC management have repeatedly said no, and stated some pretty solid reasons for doing so. FAMO is the answer, rather than trying to extend the reach of the thought police. Again most players play within the rules/spirit of the game. Extending the rule list is not the answer. Maybe a lovely little educational mailout to all new members explaining how to add people to foe and friends lists, and the pros/cons of doing so would be a useful thing.

Ive often considered the idea of suggesting more helpful pms to include things like forum issues, game issues and choice and addons...but in the end...like myself, when you get to a new site...all most want to do is just try the thing out...win or lose is hardly important, and I suspect most fully expect to lose...and those that can learn probably learn quick.

I have learned very little from my wins in CC...not to say nothing, but I certainly have learned a quite a bit from watching much better players absolutely demolish me a few times. I myself typically seek them out, to improve the learning curve for myself. Why wait to figure out how to play a map... play the best, lose some points and voila, you are an expert if you simply follow what they did, assuming you pay attention to what they actually did.

I know for a fact that I myself have helped many, many new players learn the strategy for world and das shloss, and no doubt, learned from them even, in the process.

[AAFitz]

Foeing is for thin skinned individuals, who should stick to playing cross-dressing with their kin.

The loyal drone of C.C.
GS

Why not both?

[pmchugh]

I can't see how this can be implemented without a lot of subjectivity.

But there are people out there trying to take advantage of the dregs of CC, I'm not sure why when some people can't even reach colonel doing it...

who says they cant

Well "they" currently are at 2355, pretty much exlusively playing noobs.

Though david h has shown how to succesfully put this plan into action.

[AAFitz]

I can't see how this can be implemented without a lot of subjectivity.

But there are people out there trying to take advantage of the dregs of CC, I'm not sure why when some people can't even reach colonel doing it...

who says they cant

Well "they" currently are at 2355, pretty much exlusively playing noobs.

Though david h has shown how to succesfully put this plan into action.

What does that have to do with being able to hit colonel? The fact that a player isnt a particular score, hardly ever means they arent capable of that score.

Score is just a decision after one has played 500 games in here....nothing more.

[pmchugh]

I'm meaning what's the point in just picking on noobs if it isn't increasing your rank?

[thegreekdog]

I'm meaning what's the point in just picking on noobs if it isn't increasing your rank?

Another good question.

So, I think the majority of people think there's nothing that can be done that would not be too subjective or too difficult to enforce.

[alster]

Does Anyone See a Problem with This?

LOL, no.

No. My scenario is a hypothetical. I edited my original post to protect the innocent (because they are).

No one is innocent.

People have the option of using the foe button. If they don't have the intelligence/literacy to work out how to do so, then this site would be to difficult or frustrating for them to navigate anyway. There have been numerous attempts from both ends of the rank scale to rank limit joinability on games. CC management have repeatedly said no, and stated some pretty solid reasons for doing so. FAMO is the answer, rather than trying to extend the reach of the thought police. Again most players play within the rules/spirit of the game. Extending the rule list is not the answer. Maybe a lovely little educational mailout to all new members explaining how to add people to foe and friends lists, and the pros/cons of doing so would be a useful thing.

I concur (and thanks for your nice posts above).

I have learned very little from my wins in CC...not to say nothing, but I certainly have learned a quite a bit from watching much better players absolutely demolish me a few times.

No one beats me ten times in a row.

[safariguy5]

There's a reason why SoC teaches you to play singles esc. games. High rankers can't target low rankers in 8-man esc. games. If anything, the newer players should just learn not play 1v1 maps where the high rankers can just beat them over and over again.

[darth emperor]

There's a reason why SoC teaches you to play singles esc. games. High rankers can't target low rankers in 8-man esc. games. If anything, the newer players should just learn not play 1v1 maps where the high rankers can just beat them over and over again.

If he doesnt know about FAMO button i doubt that he knows what's SoC

[BoganGod]

There's a reason why SoC teaches you to play singles esc. games. High rankers can't target low rankers in 8-man esc. games. If anything, the newer players should just learn not play 1v1 maps where the high rankers can just beat them over and over again.

If he doesnt know about FAMO button i doubt that he knows what's SoC

Or thinks SoC is the alternative spelling for dem thangs me puts on me feet

[safariguy5]

My point is that this theoretical wouldn't be an issue if new players don't play 1v1's. Now, granted there's no rule against doing so, but high ranks aren't going to be targeting low ranks in a large game.

[BoganGod]

My point is that this theoretical wouldn't be an issue if new players don't play 1v1's. Now, granted there's no rule against doing so, but high ranks aren't going to be targeting low ranks in a large game.

No its usually the other way around, particularly in a terminator game