[GP] Increase to 12 Players

[Queen_Herpes]

Upping it straight to 12 has less than 50% of the vote. Just pointing it out, it may be most popular but still not really got a majority.

Well, now it is 51%. Doesn't matter anyhow as 12 would have a plurality anyways. And lets check out those 5 votes for 9:
-the four moderators contributing to this discussion, and
-firth4eva

Seems like more regular members want more than 9.

Queen. i Understand your frustration because i too, as a member have seen great ideas die. I know you post quite a bit in this forum, and are very dedicated to your suggestions. Our vote does not have more weight than yours. All you can do for a suggestion, is ask other individuals to come give their input.

I'm just saying that there has been a lot of commentary from the moderators...and most of you seem to support an increase to 9. However, the vote in the poll shows greater support from the community for 12. The poll was added, but once the results started to show support for 12, the moderators all jumped on the "lets just leave it to lackattack to decide" bandwagon. I know you all are volunteers and I fullly respect that. I just hope that you all understand that when your name has a standout color and under your avatar there is a title...what you write in these threads now carries more weight than the weight of the poster from the member class.

[TheForgivenOne]

QH, even if the polls supported 9, I would have said the same thing "Let's see what Lack says", as he does have the power to decide. He may still only input 9 instead of 12. I just thought it would have been simpler for 9. But it is apparent that 12 is the majority.

[fumandomuerte]

already 50 votes, not bad. Go 12, it's your birthday!

[firth4eva]

Upping it straight to 12 has less than 50% of the vote. Just pointing it out, it may be most popular but still not really got a majority.

Well, now it is 51%. Doesn't matter anyhow as 12 would have a plurality anyways. And lets check out those 5 votes for 9:
-the four moderators contributing to this discussion, and
-firth4eva

Seems like more regular members want more than 9.

I voted keep it at 8 actually. Nice going genius.

[chipv]

Upping it straight to 12 has less than 50% of the vote. Just pointing it out, it may be most popular but still not really got a majority.

Well, now it is 51%. Doesn't matter anyhow as 12 would have a plurality anyways. And lets check out those 5 votes for 9:
-the four moderators contributing to this discussion, and
-firth4eva

Seems like more regular members want more than 9.

I didn't vote for 9, I voted for 10, your deductive logic doesn't quite work but is interesting nevertheless.

This is my last post

Each additional possible combination would have to be tested as well as making sure new gametypes and medals can be added.

9 players needs 3v3v3 tested but no new medals
10 players would need 2v2v2v2v2 , 3v3v3, and 5v5 tested plus create new 5v5 Quintuples gametype/medal
12 players would need 2v2v2v2v2v2 , 2v2v2v2v2, 3v3v3v3, 3v3v3, 4v4v4, 5v5, and 6v6 tested plus create new gametypes/medals for 5v5 Quintuples and 6v6 Sextuples.

This is excluding testing of extra singles games (9p, 10p, 11p, 12p).

12 is a massive jump in terms of complexity and testing because of the number of extra combinations, gametypes and medals.
Having said that 9 doesn't give CC users much to cheer about - just a single extra combination which doesn't exactly qualify for a decent upgrade.
10 not only gives several new combinations, but it also gives a new gametype and a medal which does constitute a worthwhile upgrade.

Now let's check back. The last upgrade was from 6 to 8 which must have involved a new gametype+medal for quads and extra combinations in 2v2v2v2 , 4v4, and 7 and 8 player singles.

To upgrade directly to 9 needs only checking 3v3v3 and 9p singles.
To upgrade directly to 10 needs 2v2v2v2v2, 3v3v3, 5v5 + quintuples gametype/medal and 9 and 10 player singles.
This is in the same order as the last upgrade so this is the reasoning behind my vote.

You can see from my post above that a jump to 12 requires a heavy amount of work.

That is why people are deferring because it is lack doing all the work currently. I think 10 is a reasonable compromise between the amount of work for lack and the resultant user experience.

[fumandomuerte]

I voted 12 to get 10. It's like paying taxes baby

[2dimes]

Ok just to further be a goof. What is a potential problem in adding a player? There doesn't seem to be an issue with the battle royals and how many are they? (colour coding aside)

[Queen_Herpes]

Upping it straight to 12 has less than 50% of the vote. Just pointing it out, it may be most popular but still not really got a majority.

Well, now it is 51%. Doesn't matter anyhow as 12 would have a plurality anyways. And lets check out those 5 votes for 9:
-the four moderators contributing to this discussion, and
-firth4eva

Seems like more regular members want more than 9.

I didn't vote for 9, I voted for 10, your deductive logic doesn't quite work but is interesting nevertheless.

This is my last post

Sorry Chip, I consider you more of a "Dude" like "The Dude" from Lebowski. Its actually a term of endearment. I didn't think of your responses as coming from a moderator, rather ones coming from someone who's been here a while and, well, knows what's up.

Sorry that this is your last post. Good luck to you, wherever you go...

[pmchugh]

My opinion:

Ok as far as i see it 9 players would mean very little difference from 8 players. I voted for 12 however if this is a large workload then I would love to see 10 players first.

With 10 players you get many more new options as well as it being a bigger jump for large singles games.

Proposal ideas:

I don't think everyone is going to agree, however I think the majorities* wish is that as many players as is viable to be added at once should be added. Didn't andy say that we werent to worry about coding complexity when considering suggestions, lets leave that to lack/other admin to decide. So i say leave the final proposal as "Up the number of players", rather than "Up the limit to X number of players".



*Those voting for 12 and 10 may need to form a coalition to avoid a minority desicion

[JoshyBoy]

This topic has been "stickied" and is now a Last Call. It will eventually be moved to the Submitted Suggestions where lackattack will make the final decision. I would like to encourage the community to continue showing their support in this suggestion.

Cheers, JB

[Falkomagno]

I voted 12 to get 10. It's like paying taxes baby

i agree here. Basic negotiation tactics

[JoshyBoy]

I voted 12 to get 10. It's like paying taxes baby

i agree here. Basic negotiation tactics

Aww hey hey hey... come on guys... we play nice....

[Queen_Herpes]

This topic has been "stickied" and is now a Last Call. It will eventually be moved to the Submitted Suggestions where lackattack will make the final decision. I would like to encourage the community to continue showing their support in this suggestion.

Cheers, JB

I give this suggestion my royal seal of approval...

APPROVED

[Mr_Adams]

Nobody wants to discuss what this will do for those who organize tournaments with the sole purpose of gaining the stupid little plaque? with 12 players in one game, and a 12 player minimum for starting a tourny, it'd mean possible 1 game tournaments. this I disapprove of.

[jsholty4690]

Nobody wants to discuss what this will do for those who organize tournaments with the sole purpose of gaining the stupid little plaque? with 12 players in one game, and a 12 player minimum for starting a tourny, it'd mean possible 1 game tournaments. this I disapprove of.

So, the tourney directors will have to change some rules. Big deal. Compared to the coding to create 12 player games that is a drop in the bucket. Seriously, how long will it take them to change 1 rule? All they have to do is up the minimum to 16 (I doubt anyone will argue that is unfair).

[JoshyBoy]

Nobody wants to discuss what this will do for those who organize tournaments with the sole purpose of gaining the stupid little plaque? with 12 players in one game, and a 12 player minimum for starting a tourny, it'd mean possible 1 game tournaments. this I disapprove of.

If you are going to read the New Tournament Minimum Requirements, please do so properly.

• All tournaments must have at least the following amount of participants:
  
  • 1v1 and Singles Tournaments: 16 players
  • Team Tournaments: 8 teams

Oh and...

The tournament format must cause the eventual winner to play at least 3 games.

Cheers, JB

Man, you all just got owned.

[Queen_Herpes]

I'd like to commend 2dimes on this excellent suggestion and all of his great work to make it happen!

HUZAAHHHHH!

[2dimes]

Thanks. <blush>

[Mr_Adams]

Nobody wants to discuss what this will do for those who organize tournaments with the sole purpose of gaining the stupid little plaque? with 12 players in one game, and a 12 player minimum for starting a tourny, it'd mean possible 1 game tournaments. this I disapprove of.

If you are going to read the New Tournament Minimum Requirements, please do so properly.

• All tournaments must have at least the following amount of participants:
  
  • 1v1 and Singles Tournaments: 16 players
  • Team Tournaments: 8 teams

Oh and...

The tournament format must cause the eventual winner to play at least 3 games.

Cheers, JB

Man, you all just got owned.

My bad Ok, Let's go then

[JoshyBoy]

I will submit this after the weekend, as it is quite apparent that some increase is desired. I'm sure lackattack will make the decision that's best for CC.

Cheers, JB

[TheForgivenOne]

Just a heads up, i have MERGED an older topic with this one. So 2dimes, if you see the first post as someone else, it's because i merged an older topic that wanted the same thing as you did

[2dimes]

No worries Theforgivenone. Kind of wierd, it's my post with the code not working as posted by someone else.

[Queen_Herpes]

Looks like the increase to 12 players is far and away the recommendation of the community. Great job community on getting together and voting for what YOU want!
Again, kudos to 2dimes.

[JoshyBoy]

This suggestion is now submitted. Great to see a percentage of the community voicing their opinion, and now lackattack will make the final decision. Any questions, just PM me.

Cheers, JB

[fumandomuerte]

This suggestion is now submitted. Great to see a percentage of the community voicing their opinion, and now lackattack will make the final decision. Any questions, just PM me.

Cheers, JB

Bravo!, I'm starting to love the recent changes that were made through all the staff of CC