Logic dictates that there is a God!

[Frigidus]

Let's just say that instead of magical it seems nonobservable.

So is air.

Not if you live in L.A.! (it's quite visible there!)

Or if it's windy. Pretty noticeable then.

[notyou2]

It's noticeable when its cold too.

[jay_a2j]

Let's just say that instead of magical it seems nonobservable.

So is air.

Not if you live in L.A.! (it's quite visible there!)

Or if it's windy. Pretty noticeable then.

Noticeable but not seen.

[MeDeFe]

Let's just say that instead of magical it seems nonobservable.

So is air.

Not if you live in L.A.! (it's quite visible there!)

Or if it's windy. Pretty noticeable then.

Noticeable but not seen.

Since when are observing and seeing the same?

[jay_a2j]

Since when are observing and seeing the same?

It's not. And many have "observed" the hand of God move.

[natty dread]

Since when are observing and seeing the same?

It's not. And many have "observed" the hand of God move.

Prove it.

[jonesthecurl]

Let's just say that instead of magical it seems nonobservable.

So is air.

Not if you live in L.A.! (it's quite visible there!)

Or if it's windy. Pretty noticeable then.

Look up. see that blue colour?

[jay_a2j]

Since when are observing and seeing the same?

It's not. And many have "observed" the hand of God move.

Prove it.

Prove air exists.

Prove love exists.

[jonesthecurl]

Air: I repeat: See that blue colour?

Love: Define love and we'll decide whether we can prove it exists.

[WidowMakers]

http://www.proofthatgodexists.org/logic.php

[jonesthecurl]

It gave up and asked me to exit, praying that I'd change my mind.

[jonesthecurl]

Interesting that the author feels a yes/no quiz can pray.

[Army of GOD]

Air

What color is it?

[Snorri1234]

Air: I repeat: See that blue colour?

Love: Define love and we'll decide whether we can prove it exists.

jones, you're talking to the same guy who thought scientists just guessed as to what the core of our planet was.

[pmchugh]

http://www.proofthatgodexists.org/logic.php

You can prove anything if you make enough wrong assumptions.

[WidowMakers]

http://www.proofthatgodexists.org/logic.php

You can prove anything if you make enough wrong assumptions.

Interesting. Please show me the wrong assumptions.

[john9blue]

Very interested how the local atheists will respond to that site. You might want to read it before coming here and passing judgment.

[jonesthecurl]

http://www.proofthatgodexists.org/logic.php

You can prove anything if you make enough wrong assumptions.

Interesting. Please show me the wrong assumptions.

That there are only two ansers to any of the questions.
That those are the important questions in determining the existence of gods.
That no other questions are relevant to the subject.
For example.

[Army of GOD]

Wait...what?

From that website WidowMakers gave:

You have denied that absolute moral laws exist but you appeal to them all the time. You say that rape IS wrong because you know that it IS wrong and not just against your personal preference. Unless you reconsider your stand on this matter, your road to this site's proof that God exists ends here. It is my prayer that you come to understand how inconsistent and irrational this line of thinking is and return to seek the truth.

WUT

I never said that I KNOW rape is wrong...you're putting words in my mouth website.

I love how they try to bash me though: "...inconsistent and irrational...".

[john9blue]

I got the same thing as AOG, but really the moral law part isn't needed for the proof. The Q&A sections are very interesting.

[Army of GOD]

I'm sorry, but that website makes absolutely no sense.

An assumption which I think they made was when I screwed around and got this:

Only in a universe governed by God can universal, immaterial, unchanging laws exist. Only in a universe governed by God can rational thinking be possible.

I'm sorry, but they truly made some jumps in logic here.

And, if they could sum it all up in one shit-stained sentence:

The Proof that God exists is that without Him you couldn't prove anything.

Just shut up, f****** morons. I usually don't get mad at Christians, but Jesus Christ this site is beyond intelligence...

If there was [size=200]PROOF[/quote] that a CHRISTIAN God exists, there wouldn't be more Muslims than Christians in the world, and there certainly wouldn't be as many atheists.

[WidowMakers]

http://www.proofthatgodexists.org/logic.php

You can prove anything if you make enough wrong assumptions.

Interesting. Please show me the wrong assumptions.

That there are only two answers to any of the questions.
That those are the important questions in determining the existence of gods.
That no other questions are relevant to the subject.
For example.

That's because there are only 2 answer to the questions asked.
If there are three, please post them for all to see.

While the point of the site I posted is to logically go through the process to show that God of the bible is the true God, I just posted it to show how a material ONLY view of nature, and the universe does not hold up. While i agree that this site does not prove the Jesus is real or that one religion is right and another wrong, I believe it shows that there is something out there beyond the physical. These questions are for us to think about and decide why and what we believe.

There are things out there that are not part of physical matter or energy.
they exist whether we do or not.

Here are teh questions in quick order to make sure everyoen knows what the site steps lists.
-So please in more detail, what parts of that site are wrong or not correct?
-Besides the choices available, are there more answers to the questions?
-What are those answers inf they exist?

Step 1: Laws of Logic
1) They exist
2) They don't

There is not another answer to that question.

Step 2: Laws of Math
1) They exist
2) They don't

There is not another answer to that question.

Step 3: Laws of Science
1) They exist
2) They don't

I will post a bit more here. I think people might post and say that we are always learning about more science and that science does change. What the question is asking is that do the scientific principles we depend on and use change in our everyday lives. Does gravity change daily. Do we except the laws of nature arbitrarily become difference from day to day

Step 4: Laws of Absolute Morals
1) They exist
2) They don't

There are really only 2 answers here. if you think morality is relative, then you believe that absolute morals don't exist.
If you believe they don't exist, then murder/rape/child molestation is ok in some circumstances?
Do you really believe that.?

Step Five: The Nature of Laws a
1) Are these laws Immaterial (not made of matter. Non-physical, abstract)
2) Are these laws material (made of matter/energy. Depended on physical stuff)

These is no other option.

Step Five: The Nature of Laws b
1) Are these laws universal (apply to all and everywhere in the universe)
2) Are these laws Individual (vary from place to place and person to person)

These is no other option.

Step Seven: The Nature of Laws (c)
1) Are they unchanging? (never change)
2) Are they changing (can and do change from day to day)

These is no other option.

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-So where do these things come from in a purely material and physical universe.
-Where did logic come from if everything is based from the big bang and matter/energy.
-Math exists, whether we are here or not? Why?
-Logic Exists, whether we are here or not? Why?
-The laws of nature exist in the universe but why do they exist the way they are?
-Why are there morals that are absolute? Why do we all know that child rape is wrong? Who made the rule?

[jay_a2j]

Sweet! The grand 'ole thread is revived!




Jones..... air is not blue, google why is the sky blue? for your answer.

[comic boy]

Believe in what you want to believe , just dont force your views on others, that means not trying to frame laws based on specific Christian/Islamic/Budhist/Hindu/Judaic/Pagan/Atheist viewpoints. One might feel that the Koran or Bible are the most important books ever written , I might view the Diceman in the same light , given some of the extraordinary decisions made in the last few decades I could well be closer to the truth.
Its all just a matter of opinion though, if one wants to believe in Super heroes or Gods then good for them, if one is content to go through life without such props then whoopee also.
Its all fine until people take it too seriously, people being killed or persecuted for their faith ( or lack of it ) is insane , trying to hold back social or scientific progress because it threatens your religious view is insane, forcing kids to conform to what you believe is insane, as is ostracizing them if they refuse.
The whole damn thing is a lottery anyway , God or no God what does it matter, certainly not enough to fret half your life away away on. Look at the title to this thread , to mean anything is should read ' Logic dictates there is a God, only one God and he is the father of Jesus so my religion is the only true religion. Lets face it thats what Jay means , he would not accept a God that was not the Christian God , so whats the point of the thread.
Here is a better question ' Logic dictates that even if there is a God then the chances of you pleasing him are very slim ' You might pick ( or more likely be born ) into the wrong religion , even if you get lucky then you might opt for the wrong branch or sect, then you still got to hope that you dont do anything wrong. Nobody knows if God is vengeful or a bit of a joker, does he tend to mood swings, does he get pissed off with fawners or prefer those with a bit of independence ?
So what with not knowing if there even is a God, not Knowing which religion might amuse him and not knowing if he likes arse lickers........probably just best to stop worrying and get on with life without thinking too much about Gods

[BigBallinStalin]

http://www.proofthatgodexists.org/logic.php

You can prove anything if you make enough wrong assumptions.

Interesting. Please show me the wrong assumptions.

That there are only two answers to any of the questions.
That those are the important questions in determining the existence of gods.
That no other questions are relevant to the subject.
For example.

-So where do these things come from in a purely material and physical universe.
-Where did logic come from if everything is based from the big bang and matter/energy.
-Math exists, whether we are here or not? Why?
-Logic Exists, whether we are here or not? Why?
-The laws of nature exist in the universe but why do they exist the way they are?

As long as you solely rely on the concept of duality, then you'll be asking these questions until the end of time.

-Why are there morals that are absolute? Why do we all know that child rape is wrong? Who made the rule?

Standards set by the overwhelming majority, which varies from place to place.