Does the rest of the world really hate America?

[ViperOverLord]

Yes, at least after George W. Bush' tenure.

That was the left's famous talking point when Dubya took office. And I'm talking before Afghanistan and Iraq they said this crap. He wasn't not diplomatic enough they claimed. Get off of it hater.

The truth is, most people are fine with America. Most people either like or envy us. It's the haters inside of America that hate Americans and then build up this foreigners hate America propoganda.

[ViperOverLord]

I don't hate America.

I hate Americans

you hate who the media tells you to hate, and you do not know any Americans.

I may, thankfully, not know any Americans.
My dislike of Americans isn't caused by British media poisoning my mind.
My annoyance with Americans is caused by Americans and their blinkered views.

An example of this;

A few years ago, to remember the people who lost their lives in the boxing day tsunami, a programme was made from a collection of all video footage taken by survivors.
There was a shot of a Thailand beach with people enjoying themselves, then the cameraman spots the huge wave and zooms in. As the wave gets closer people start to panic and retreat from the beach. During this retreat, the sound of an American female voice screeches 'Is it the terrorists?'

Now this programme was just a snapshot of one horrible day, and within one of the videos we capture the true paranoia of an ignorant American.

Yes Mrs American lady. All those beardy Muslim terrorists have now managed to control the sea and are now making 6 foot high waves to kill Americans. Sigh.

Contrary to popular belief, Americans aren't the only people to of been targeted by terrorists. All throughout my childhood and early twenties, I grew up watching the odd IRA carbomb on the news blowing up and killing 5-30 people.

I wouldn't ever think that a big wave would be caused by terrorists, but the American media have made an excellent job of scaring the bejesus out of Americans to fear anything and everything, all in the name of; Terror. The War on Terror. Terrorists.

I pity you. Anyone that thinks this drivel is a valid view point needs pity.

[ViperOverLord]

I dont feel as strongly as pedronicus but i agree with a lot of what he has said.

My personal opinion is no, i do not hate America and i certainly dont hate Americans.

However, America, both its leaders and its people, for the most part, possess an unattractive arrogance sparked by the blissful ignorance that America is invincible and somehow better than anywhere else.

This isnt true. There have been copious superpowers in history, some much larger than America. And as America will, they all fell. America has done many great achievements, has some brilliant people and some lovely landmarks. But thats not more than can be said about any other country.

So i like America, and its people. I just dont like the misplaced arrogance. (Some call it patriotism, but i disagree with that)

America is better. Are our people entitled to more respect by virtue of our Americanism? No. But I have no problem saying we have a right to feel like we're the best. We've been the most prosperous, most athletic, bravest, most innovative people over the last two hundred years. We paid for the world's freedom to aspire to our level of success with our blood. Some countries talk the talk. America walked it. But America is going in the crapper so certainly this claim may be very different in 20 years.

[ViperOverLord]

I really don't hate America or Americans. Except for the right wing nutcases and religious fundamentalist fanatics, the big evil corporations who destroy our planet to make just a few more bucks, the corrupt politicians...

Oh and conspiracy theorists. Those guys are just annoying.

Don't forget Big Government and the unions. If you include them, then I sign off on this.

[ViperOverLord]

Are the Brits arrogant? Are the French arrogant? Are Israelis arrogant? I would argue yes. Of the non-US people I have come into contact with, the vast majority of them are proud to be [insert country of origin]. Even in the US, among my own relatives, most of the Greeks are proud to be Greek first and proud to be American second.

Are the Brits concerned with themselves first? Sure. I suspect that in Pedro's scenario, an idiot Brit woman might yell out "Is it the terrorists?!?" Or maybe she might say, "Is it the Luftwaffe?!?"

I really do think the rest of the world hates Americans because we tend to impose our own foreign policies on others. I think the "stupid/ignorant Americans" thing is more of a reaction to hating us than a reason for hating us.

Very true. And in America's case we have more to be proud of IMO.

But at any rate a person should take pride in the country that they live in or they should move out of it. I know a lot of Mexicans that curse this place yet they won't get the f out of here. They root for Mexico in the World Cup in people's faces and they know nothing about America's values and customs and curse us in their ignorance.

If I was living in Finland or Russia or Japan, I would be proud of my adopted home country or I would get the f out. It's common sense. So don't call me a hater for having a backbone.

[Dariune]

America is better.

I think you are prooving my point, not stepping on it.

We've been the most prosperous

Proof? Financially you arent doing that well and havent been for some time.

most athletic

I rarely ay people are wrong because there is normally truth is most peoples point of view but this statement is absolute rubbish. In sports, when you play internationally you dont tend to win. (Neither do we but i am not making such a claim) In war, you win by vast amounts of numbers and money thrown at the enemy, not through training.

bravest

Again, rubbish. I dont doubt an American's bravery but i would never say your country is any braver than any other.

most innovative

There is SOME truth in this statement. America has been a very innotive and free thinking country, or was at least. But many other countries have matched including Tim Berners Lee's creation of the WWW.

We paid for the world's freedom to aspire to our level of success with our blood.

This is a metter of opinion and one i do not share. A lot of countries have spilled blood over the years. I have never seen any battle/ war or country have anything to doing with the worlds freedome. Only greed, religion or a mix of the two.

Im sorry Viper, but YOU are very much the reason why people often feel negatively towards America where as thegreekdog argues with intelligence and respect.

[jefjef]

I really don't hate America or Americans. Except for the right wing nutcases and religious fundamentalist fanatics, the big evil corporations who destroy our planet to make just a few more bucks, the corrupt politicians...

Oh and conspiracy theorists. Those guys are just annoying.

Don't forget Big Government and the unions. If you include them, then I sign off on this.

I'm willing to bet there is right wing nut case religious fundamentalist fanatics and those who profit from enviro destruction and corruption in EVERY COUNTRY on this planet.

Not just an American problem kids...

[saxitoxin]

Cyrenius - why would your grandfather want the Americans, or anyone else, to help Rumania "get rid of the communists?" The PCR oversaw the affirmation of Rumanian national identity, secure borders and economic prosperity. Perhaps you are being cheeky, though! The Rumanian sense of humor is subtle and excellent!

I agree with your comments on the EU toilet you made in the other thread. It is good to know we central and eastern Europeans have the same weltanschauung.

[Pedronicus]

http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/HowTo%3ABe_American

Basically, to be American properly, you need to be able to instantly and decisively know what things are Good and what things are Bad. There is ‘’no’’ ambiguity. Got that? Below are some basic examples – for more, write to your Congressman (if you know who your Congressman is. Being an American, of course, you won’t.)

* Terrorists = Bad (Unless they're Irish Terrorists, in which case they're the "poor oppressed Irish")
* Communists = Bad
* Homosexuals = Bad
* The Flag = Good
* God = Either Good or Bad
* Freedom = Good
* Mount Rushmore = Good
* Guns = Great
* Halo= Fucking Awesome
* Twinkies = Good
* Oreos = Good
* Geography = Useless
* Mexicans = Bad
* Europeans = Bad
* Myself = Perfect
* Hippies = Bad
* Guns = Amazing
* Baseball = Good
* Soccer = Bad
* Gas-Guzzling-Sports-Utility-Vehicles = Good
* Hillary Clinton = Bad
* Michael Moore = You Can’t Believe How Bad

[saxitoxin]

Excuse me, I'm trying to tell Dutcher jokes and have a convo with cyrenius but people keep interrupting with nonsense.

The movement for Irish liberation is one of the most courageous and enlightened in the world. They fought, and fight, for a world free from racism and imperialism. The IRA and Sinn Fein is not leftist enough for ol' Sax but ol' Sax continues, to this day, to write an annual check to the IRSP that, I hope, goes in part to support the work of the INLA.

Sax has a photo on his desk (not this one but one like it) of the funeral of INLA soldier Paddy Campbell to remind him of that brave young freedom fighters death trying to stop the criminals who were running drugs that the imperialist forces of Bavarian Betty have continuously flooded into that besieged and imprisoned land.



English out of Ireland. End the Racism, Murder and Occupation.

Thanks, gang!
Uncle S.
Unofficial CC Happiness Ombudsman

[saxitoxin]

the big evil corporations who destroy our planet to make just a few more bucks

I think the "B" in "BP" stands for "British" ...

Ol' Saxi will give Natty a pass, though. As much as ol' Sax is anti-capitalist I will say Nokia is one of the lesser offensive big evil corporations in the world. A bit questionable for bribing Greenpeace to endorse their "recycling" initiative, but not as much as some. Also, Saxi is still trying to get on Natty's good side so he'll make a Kalmar Union map!

Natty, you should come over to my lodge this summer - I'm going to be cooking brauts every weekend beginning July 1! Saxi's Got Johnsonville Brauts!

[joecoolfrog]

Its hard to argue with the last post , his point has been heavily endorsed by the patriotic nonsense already seen in this thread. As for the constant whining about terrorists , how many of you have come close to personaly experiencing terrorism , well I have and in my view a lot of you are hypocrites. You didn't give a damn when US dollars ( collected in New York and Boston ) funded the IRA and you turned a blind eye when they bombed British cities for over a decade , yet when it happens on US soil.......

Truth: The monies you cry about being collected here in the US that funded the IRA was collected by and sent home (Ireland) by the Irish people who had family and political interests in Ireland.

You blame Americans and America for this? I seem to recall our gov spending some of our resources fighting the IRA and it's financers here in the US.

And you call us Hypocrites?

LOL
So its fine for an American to support terrorists as long as he has political or financial links with them..yes you are a hypocrite and a moron as well. So those of Irish descent are not Americans , does that go for the Scandinavians, Germans, Italians as well , is the USA just a jumble of expats or are are you simply talking shit because you have no real response ?

[saxitoxin]

Its hard to argue with the last post , his point has been heavily endorsed by the patriotic nonsense already seen in this thread. As for the constant whining about terrorists , how many of you have come close to personaly experiencing terrorism , well I have and in my view a lot of you are hypocrites. You didn't give a damn when US dollars ( collected in New York and Boston ) funded the IRA and you turned a blind eye when they bombed British cities for over a decade , yet when it happens on US soil.......

Truth: The monies you cry about being collected here in the US that funded the IRA was collected by and sent home (Ireland) by the Irish people who had family and political interests in Ireland.

You blame Americans and America for this? I seem to recall our gov spending some of our resources fighting the IRA and it's financers here in the US.

And you call us Hypocrites?

LOL
So its fine for an American to support terrorists as long as he has political or financial links with them..yes you are a hypocrite and a moron as well. So those of Irish descent are not Americans , does that go for the Scandinavians, Germans, Italians as well , is the USA just a jumble of expats or are are you simply talking shit because you have no real response ?

I don't think those Americans enlightened enough to finance people fighting against a regime of racism and oppression, to help those trying to break the criminal siege of Eire, should apologize for doing so. I hope none here will.

English are the Zionists of the North Sea. For the sake of peace and the future of the world's children, English also-ran dreams of midget imperialism - that parasitic insect whose footsteps pollute the Emerald isle - must be utterly and completely crushed.

[Dariune]

the big evil corporations who destroy our planet to make just a few more bucks

I think the "B" in "BP" stands for "British" ...

It is currently American owned however.

As far as i am aware

[Titanic]

This topic proves why a lot of people view so many Americans (not all) as ignorant, self obsessed and arrogant. Thank you for proving ours points so blissfully.

[saxitoxin]

the big evil corporations who destroy our planet to make just a few more bucks

I think the "B" in "BP" stands for "British" ...

It is currently American owned however.

As far as i am aware

I'm not certain it's possible to decide national ownership in this age of multinational corporations; at least in terms of joint stock companies.

BP is incorporated under UK laws, headquartered in London, trades on the LSE and their CEO is one of Bavarian Betty's slavish lickspitters. I think that's the best we can do to determine nation of ownership.

[The Bison King]

Basically, to be American properly, you need to be able to instantly and decisively know what things are Good and what things are Bad. There is ‘’no’’ ambiguity. Got that? Below are some basic examples – for more, write to your Congressman (if you know who your Congressman is. Being an American, of course, you won’t.)

Give me a fucking break! do you really buy into that??? You took the characteristics that defined George W. Bush and decided that that's what all Americans are like. That's a huge generalization, and pretty damn offensive.

[nagerous]

This topic proves why a lot of people view so many Americans (not all) as ignorant, self obsessed and arrogant. Thank you for proving ours points so blissfully.

What I was going to say.

[joecoolfrog]

I dont feel as strongly as pedronicus but i agree with a lot of what he has said.

My personal opinion is no, i do not hate America and i certainly dont hate Americans.

However, America, both its leaders and its people, for the most part, possess an unattractive arrogance sparked by the blissful ignorance that America is invincible and somehow better than anywhere else.

This isnt true. There have been copious superpowers in history, some much larger than America. And as America will, they all fell. America has done many great achievements, has some brilliant people and some lovely landmarks. But thats not more than can be said about any other country.

So i like America, and its people. I just dont like the misplaced arrogance. (Some call it patriotism, but i disagree with that)

America is better. Are our people entitled to more respect by virtue of our Americanism? No. But I have no problem saying we have a right to feel like we're the best. We've been the most prosperous, most athletic, bravest, most innovative people over the last two hundred years. We paid for the world's freedom to aspire to our level of success with our blood. Some countries talk the talk. America walked it. But America is going in the crapper so certainly this claim may be very different in 20 years.

Very good Viper, Satire of the highest order , most amusing , I wonder if anybody took it seriously

[Pedronicus]

Basically, to be American properly, you need to be able to instantly and decisively know what things are Good and what things are Bad. There is ‘’no’’ ambiguity. Got that? Below are some basic examples – for more, write to your Congressman (if you know who your Congressman is. Being an American, of course, you won’t.)

Give me a fucking break! do you really buy into that??? You took the characteristics that defined George W. Bush and decided that that's what all Americans are like. That's a huge generalization, and pretty damn offensive.

So then Mr Angry, did you click on the link that was above what you just quoted?
no

here's a link to another subject from the same website.
http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Al-Qaeda

now click on that and tell me if you think that the website i copied from originally is a serious website, or is it a website that's TAKING THE PISS????

[Timminz]

This topic proves why a lot of people view so many Americans (not all) as ignorant, self obsessed and arrogant. Thank you for proving ours points so blissfully.

Wait. You mean, "Shut up! America is the best!" isn't a valid, objective, and humble argument?

[saxitoxin]

The thing I enjoy most about these threads is they typically descend into insults being traded back and forth by Americans and Britishers (plus, occasionally the Canadian slug will wave his chubby little arms in the air and attempt to interject himself into a position of relevance by galumphing after one or the others leftovers) while the other nationalities sit back, perturbed and disinterested.

As a mental health professional I can say, verily, this is an effort - on the part of the English (I avoid the use of the word British with intent) - to sub-consciously shift their status as one of the most reviled and generally despised nations the world has ever known to someone - anyone - else.

The fact that they are not really a nation; that the United States can snap its fingers and have British citizens dragged from the streets of London, shipped across the Atlantic and prostrated in shackles before their courts (see: Garry McKinnon) makes these occasional dust-ups even more incendiary.

CC would be a better place if neither Americans nor British were permitted to post in the forums.

[jefjef]

Its hard to argue with the last post , his point has been heavily endorsed by the patriotic nonsense already seen in this thread. As for the constant whining about terrorists , how many of you have come close to personaly experiencing terrorism , well I have and in my view a lot of you are hypocrites. You didn't give a damn when US dollars ( collected in New York and Boston ) funded the IRA and you turned a blind eye when they bombed British cities for over a decade , yet when it happens on US soil.......

Truth: The monies you cry about being collected here in the US that funded the IRA was collected by and sent home (Ireland) by the Irish people who had family and political interests in Ireland.

You blame Americans and America for this? I seem to recall our gov spending some of our resources fighting the IRA and it's financers here in the US.

And you call us Hypocrites?

LOL
So its fine for an American to support terrorists as long as he has political or financial links with them..yes you are a hypocrite and a moron as well. So those of Irish descent are not Americans , does that go for the Scandinavians, Germans, Italians as well , is the USA just a jumble of expats or are are you simply talking shit because you have no real response ?

YOU ARE SLOW. Please read slowly. No where did I say it's fine to support cowardice and murder. Our Government jailed many that funneled funds to the IRA and by doing so helped save lives. That could not and would not have happened without citizen and government efforts.

You hate and blame Americans for your problems you all created.

You have so much hate you do an opposite spin and twist of what is plainly stated.

Go back to your pile.

[saxitoxin]

This topic proves why a lot of people view so many Americans (not all) as ignorant, self obsessed and arrogant. Thank you for proving ours points so blissfully.

says the pot to the kettle -

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=117934&start=120#p2632257

As we can see from Titanic (and others) testosterone-gorged chest-thumping elsewhere, Europeans (though Britons aren't really European, they're hangers-on; Europe doesn't really want them - they're the uninvited fat kid who sneaked into the party and people are trying to ignore hoping he'll get the picture) aren't really mad at American warmongering and imperialism, they're mad Americans are better at warmongering and imperialism than they are...

This is the fallacy of patriotism and why Marx was correct when he identified national borders as a construct to distract the working class.

This whole thread is no more erudite than cheering at a football match.

[joecoolfrog]

DumbJef
Please provide details of all these IRA supporters that were jailed in the USA , especially those who were prosecuted before 9/11 .